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@NathanOsman See the message it was replying to
01:03
huethan
@AndroidDev That doesn't violate their EULA.
ESXi is running on a Mac Mini.
Virtualization is permitted.
blegh
so close to having a working prototype >_>
@NathanOsman Ooooh, didn't catch that it was running on OSX
01:38
@NathanOsman ew, not even high sierra.
@ByteCommander something tells me that it might be the same user in an alt. Can a mod take a look?
@Avery I concur
@Avery the reason I think that is because the answer is posted a bit more than a minute after the question, also the name similarity and everything.
Stop talking to yourself
@Avery lol
45:45 - 46:51
01:48
@TheWanderer nu
oke
seriously though how do you know English so well?
I'd think it was your first language if I didn't know it wasn't
(that sentence made sense, OK?)
> It's New Release Friday
google wat
that's not a thing
Jun 13 at 17:14, by Avery
@TheWanderer when you hate your country you start to learn other languages
Jun 13 at 17:16, by Avery
@TheWanderer it's a dictatorship
yeah
but
you "sound" like a native speaker
and Turkish and English aren't exactly similar, are they?
Not even close
As much as someone can "sound" when typing, lol :D
The question though is does she have a thick accent?
01:52
>_> @Avery
I do have some middle eastern accent but it's not thick
have you ever left the country?
Nope.
01:53
@NathanOsman so what do you think about incorporating your chat script into the app?
@TheWanderer what language is it in?
the script? It's JS
I think that he asked about the app
but I'm pretty sure we don't need to port it
@Avery >_C
01:54
Yeah, I don't think we need to port it either
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@TheWanderer Maybe "talking" with native speakers in chatrooms like this one helps too
lol
@AndroidDev probably
which reminds me
I need to rejoin the SpanishSO room
My english was not much worse when I joined stack chats 2 years ago, but that period of time definitely helped me.
01:57
hrm
I sense witchcraft
@Avery One tip - do not use the work "like" when it isn't called for. People who learn English as their second language tend to use it a lot, though that's absolutely not to say that native speakers don't do it as well.... but the point is it's a bad habit to get into and it really doesn't sound very good.
but like what do you mean
like is like the perfect filler
Perfect example of what not to do --^
:P
It's amazing when you read things such as the deceleration of Independence and Patrick Henry's speeches and you realize that back then people had much richer vocabularies.
no
they just had different vocabularies
sound fancy to us because we don't use those words anymore
Eh, I'm not sure I agree with you there
02:03
@AndroidDev does that mean that english is zuck's second language?
bad Facebook puns
Can Apple please just start using Android?
Why?
@TheWanderer I mean, think about "Nathan quickly worked on Request Factory" VS. "Nathan Expeditiously worked on Request Factory". They mean pretty much the same thing, but the latter sounds stronger than the former.
02:06
@AndroidDev which is because we use expeditiously much less
so it carries more meaning
the more a word is used, the less significance/strength it carries
think of curse words
used to be terrible to say "damn"
but now we use it all the time, and so it's lost a lot of its meaning
@AndroidDev latter sounds as if you're using big words to appear all big and mighty and knowledgeable
I can see your point there
@Avery Actually, I do hear former/latter used more often than you might expect
no
02:10
she meant the expeditiously lol
I don't mean "former" or "latter". I mean "expenditiously".
LOL :D
I forgot the password to the keystore for a second there
02:12
whoops :P
this app is already 3.28MB
I keep a txt file encrypted with a master password that contains most of my logins on a floppy disk hidden away somewhere just in case.
Yes, a floppy
Because reasons
shame
woot $90.53
although $50 of that goes to RAM
02:14
@TheWanderer speaking of which, it's no longer showing as 30MB on my tablet so O_o
weird
I'm telling you, that tablet is screwed up
Wait what was that about $90?
donations
For....
my app
02:15
SystemUI tuner?
and that's from Play
idk how much I have from PayPal
How many individual donations?
uh
79
opinions?
@KazWolfe probably has one ^^
imagine Smokey for SO lol
oh it doesn't rotate up/down
hmm
02:47
askubuntu.com/questions/901533/… help me close this down, I think an update has fixed the issue
03:47
what? (@TheWanderer)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: healthprograme.com/testoshred/ by hajevuf on askubuntu.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: What is \$1$?\$1 ? Is it a variable? by lauraparks on askubuntu.com
04:15
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Pulling from one perspective, Enduro Force by vles on askubuntu.com
04:42
agree
05:00
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, +1 more: Vimax Pills Reviews - Does It Work? by Hugllivanz on askubuntu.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: www.healthyorder.org/testo-limit-xl/ by Feameter1952 on askubuntu.com
@edwinksl :D
tfw you're getting 800ms to 192.168.1.1
05:15
sounds fun
05:35
broadcom sucks(tm)
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Testo Ultra natural supplement by J.Min on askubuntu.com
@Seth Don't remind me.
I'd do the obligatory Canadian apology but I don't have the heart.
@NathanOsman wow, you don't support this bill, therefore you don't support transgender rights!!1 /s
@KazWolfe eyeroll
Any bill that tramples on free speech this badly deserves to die in a dumpster fire.
I'd blame our government but this was voted on by the Senate.
WHICH IS FULL OF PEOPLE WE DON'T EVEN VOTE FOR.
<--- is trying to decide who has it worse now, Canada or the US
b-b-but pronouns are important!!
06:04
I won't use pronouns anymore.
To me, they are no longer a part of speech.
just call everything and everyone "it"
"it" is a pronoun...
actually
I would hereby like to declare that my pronoun of choice is now "it". Please use this whenever talking about me. Failure to comply is considered very rude and even a hate crime in some countries.
I hereby choose the pronoun "his highness".
Now, some may argue that's not a pronoun. To which I reply, "you bigot."
if they argue, it's a hate crime!
06:07
Exactly.
Also.
The new Skype for Android makes Twitter look professional again.
twitter? professional?
it's really that bad?
Lemme share a screenshot...
You can barely see five lines of text at a time!
Is this optimized for a watch face or something?
@NathanOsman ⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑
Hey, I warned you it was bad.
OH MY GOD DELETE IT.
DELETE IT NOW
IT'S BURNING MY VERY SOUL
06:12
That's not even the worst part of it
IT GETS WORSE?
@Seth PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DELETE THAT SCREENSHOT AAAAAAAAHHHHH
06:25
@KazWolfe what soul?
@JourneymanGeek exactly.
it got burned completely by that screenshot
Please Google. Don't mess up Hangouts or any other apps.
Hangouts: Now for businesses only!
ಠ_ಠ
i remember them disabling SMS from within hangouts
completely dumb move
06:28
I never used it.
06:43
@Seth can I take a moment
That's an article that really looks at it from the wrong perspective.
C16 isn't bad.
And by saying "Rip canada" about it, you're just throwing away pretty much anything the trans people and the allies have fought for in the last <big number> years.
And honestly it makes sense.
Intended misgendering is harrassment.
I am not a fan of law and order solutions, but I think it's bogus to say that deliberately misgendering someone is "free speech". When would you want to do that? It is hate speech no better than any other hate speech
question. does the law distinguish between intentional and accidental misgendering?
Law isn't anything.
The laws didn't even get edited yet.
The thing just orders the people in order to add gender identity, sexual identity and sexual orientation to the laws as they're properly fit, and add those to classes that might be subjected to hate speech.
While my sample size is small, every canadian I've seen that isn't "trans = PEDO" level of crazy is either neutral or happy about that bill.
:)
thank you for explaining. The article is really misleading
In the end, the site seems to be very right leaning. Did you try looking at people directly affected by this? Did you see how happy this change made people? Did you try looking at a left leaning site? Or a neutral site?
> reddit
> neutral
[I normally wouldn't post that screenshot but I believe I've properly anonymized it and the code of conduct doesn't say anything about sharing stuff so, meh]
@KazWolfe It's neutral in the sense that its majority is radical left and radical right people.
You seldom see neutral individual comments, but looking at the big picture indicates an overall neutral view.
@Avery what about the extreme centre?
@jokerdino see the message just above yours.
07:07
the ardent centrists
#CentristsOpinionsMatters
Sorry mate, you're the minority and no one cares about you. If we passed laws protecting you people would attack us back so we don't. /s
But really, intentionally misgendering people to harass, etc is definitely not cool.
@Avery I'm not happy about it. It curtails free speech.
Free speech doesn't include hate speech.
07:12
Yes it does.
I realize being a Libertarian here might put me in the minority but... free speech is important.
well, from a technical perspective, yes, hate speech is covered by free speech. That does not, however, mean it needs to be tolerated.
@NathanOsman I'm also libertarian.
Free speech is important.
Agreed.
hate speech is violence
So why limit it?
07:14
uh, so people want right to hate speech now?
@Zanna But speech is just speech.
But I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't defend it this much if I went on calling out your stuff.
no!
speech is not just speech!
You'd just timeout me.
Perhaps I don't understand.
@Avery No, I'm not that type of person.
07:15
^ can confirm.
If he tried that, he'd get Shog'd.
but when the topic doesn't involve you, it's suddenly becomes acceptable.
@KazWolfe No. I mean on harrassment level.
I haven't kicked anyone from this room ever, TBH.
which is obviously fine.
I just haven't been here when the need arose.
hate speech causes harm, injury. You don't think you should have a protected right to go around kicking people in the face because you don't like them, right?
07:16
^
@Zanna Well of course not - but causing bodily harm is not the same thing.
how is it so different?
For the record, I've been called some pretty nasty things.
psychological harm is totally cool
it's just more visible
07:16
Mental harm can lead to severe issues.
Both mental and physical.
@jokerdino ಠ_ಠ I don't think anybody here is saying that...
@KazWolfe z-anaglyph glasses, yuck
@NathanOsman how are you not saying that by implication?
Because (and I know this won't make me popular) I honestly don't believe psychological harm is a necessary consequence of people being called names.
I don't condone it. I don't think it's good.
07:18
You might be fine with it.
People are not.
I'm not
I'm not a people?
by people I mean general public.
(I am saying that in jest, BTW.)
Well, I will politely disagree. I realize this issue is quite complex and there is probably a lot of misunderstanding on both sides.
It's easy to assume that "hate speech" is an obvious thing but it is (to at least some extent) subjective.
Answer this: Should hate towards minorities be considered hate speech by law?
Consider racial minorities or smth.
I think I see what might be one of @NathanOsman's concerns. If hate speech is not covered by free speech, what qualifies at "hate speech?" At what point does saying anything negative become hate speech?
07:20
@Avery I don't think that hate speech should be in the law.
But it is.
Well, that's my point of contention :P
And you're now fighting some, in comparison small additions to it.
@KazWolfe Yes, that is partly my concern.
@Avery Correct, but I'd just as soon see the whole thing go.
And honestly go ahead and fight against hate speech being not considered free speech. That's fine with me.
07:22
Anyway, I need to get to bed. I think it's cool that we can all talk about this civily, BTW.
This isn't possible in some *cough* other rooms.
We do have the right to criticize. In theory, one could abuse "anti-hatespeech" laws to block out any sort of criticism. What might be considered hate speech to me might not be considered hate speech to @Avery. The definition is subjective.
>Hate speech – the advocacy of hatred based on nationality, race or religion
the bill is adding gender I presume.
Gender identity, sexual identity and sexual preferences, IIRC.
At the same time, I can add the argument that the definition of "hate speech" should include certain hobbies (@Avery, you know exactly what I mean here).
if it is valid, it should be added.
07:25
At that point, the definition becomes more and more blurry as more and more cases are added to cover every aspect.
> any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.
@KazWolfe I agree that it should be covered and disagree that it is a hobby.
@DavidFoerster thank you
looks like a C+P from earlier answer with spam link?
yes
Also this user has many answers just like that.
Nuke it from orbit?
I am not a fan of nukes. So, let me just sweep them away.
07:30
@KazWolfe if you find the proposed solution messy, you're not alone. Identity politics is a best-we-could-do-in-the-circumstances strategy. But the PROBLEM to which this is a poor solution is where the blame lies - don't fight the solution because it's imperfect, fight the problem instead (a culture that marginalises some people such that hate speech & other structural violence happens to them)
people who want some free flags can farm it for the next 2 minutes.
it went I thought?
The user has another 5 or so answers.
flag hunt!
@SmokeDetector: You're late.
07:40
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oh crap, I pressed the wrong button.
@jokerdino banhammer incoming...
I meant to hold Ctrl but pressed Shift.
eh?
07:42
(meta tag)
welcome back @SmokeDetector
you killed Smokey?
all hail welcome our ai overlord friend, SmokeDetector!
3 dash
9 dash is SCS issue.
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