Ask Ubuntu General Room

Android Dev

19:00

@NathanOsman If you go into settings and revoke the external storage permission, it will crash when you attempt to select a file to send

Nathan Osman

Ah.

Mind if I file a bug on GitHub to track that?

Kaz Wolfe

Use JIRA!

Nathan Osman

GitHub!

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Not at all :)

Kaz Wolfe

JIRA! Because Agile!

Android Dev

19:03

Also @NathanOsman check out this ugly stacktrace from StackExchange: paste.ubuntu.com/24750378

Nathan Osman

GitHub does most of what JIRA can do.

@AndroidDev Yikes, that is not a normal stack trace.

Is that from logcat?

Kaz Wolfe

that looks like you crashed the jvm

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Nope. That's from /data/tombstones because the logcat had nothing about the crash

Kaz Wolfe

or you did something that killed the jvm somehow

Seth

So close.

Android Dev

19:07

@KazWolfe Well it was bad enough that a normal Java exception was not recorded

Kaz Wolfe

it could be some of the core framework had a bug you triggered

Nathan Osman

@Seth My brother just joined and he has over 475 followers already.

ಠ_ಠ

Kaz Wolfe

i think i have 3?

Nathan Osman

I have 100-something.

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Initial sleuthing indicates it's probably either a race condition, or parsing a null string

Seth

19:10

@NathanOsman wat

@NathanOsman I see 269

He's following 476

James

@Seth Do we need to put out some twitter follow ads?

"Follow Ask Ubuntu Moderator Seth, for your Witty Ubuntu and Geopolitical Tweets"

Seth

Not that that isn't still double Nathan's :P

@James haha I'd get run off the site on a rail :P

I should probably tone it down a little tbh.

James

@Seth Eh, it's twitter.

everyone is loud and annoying.

Seth

This is true

So how's like @James?

life*

James

life is good. Made myself go to the barbershop yesterday and get a haircut, hence new profile pic. I almost look cool now. ಠ_ರೃ

Kaz Wolfe

19:16

jrgified

Seth

I think it looks good. I got mine cut super short and then family was like "it makes your face look long" >.>

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

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Q: What does “covfefe” exactly mean?

Washington Post (May 31, 2017) reports that President Trump targets “negative press “covfefe” in his tweet: MORNING MIX: Trump targets ‘negative press covfefe’ in garbled midnight tweet that becomes worldwide joke / Trump tweets ‘covfefe,’ inspiring a semi-comedic act of Congress As I c...

Nathan Osman

No matter what, I still look a lot younger than I am.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

covfefe keeps blowing up the internet

Nathan Osman

> "(n.) When you want to say "coverage" but your hands are too small to hit all the letters on your keyboard."

LOL

Seth

19:18

Honestly though, doesn't that make more sense if it's large hands?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I wonder what kind of nonsense Trump is covering up with this type of things

Kaz Wolfe

no because that ruins the trump hate

Seth

@James wait cool is the goal? What does cool look like these days..

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

It's probably just a simple and plain stupid distraction from some form of covert action. But who cares right ?

Seth

@KazWolfe which is so PC rn

Kaz Wolfe

19:19

@Seth yes, because all the PC culture people are hating trump.

And because they can never do something not PC, it must be PC

Nathan Osman

The whole thing is very polarizing and we libertarians are just sitting here in the corner whistling innocently.

It didn't have to be this way :P

James

@Seth Well, ok, cool maybe not.

I'll settle for "not looking like a college student that doesn't care and has bedhead 100% of the time"

Kaz Wolfe

hey, that's my trademark look!

James

my hair is impossible to comb and stuff

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@NathanOsman What do libertarians do ?

Nathan Osman

19:21

Hairspray FTW.

Kaz Wolfe

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy complain, apparently.

Nathan Osman

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy We are all about freedom and limited government.

The less involvement the government has in our everyday lives, the better.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@KazWolfe isn't that what republicans and democrats do all the time ?

James

@KazWolfe @NathanOsman both of you are right.

Zanna

I never comb my hair :)

Kaz Wolfe

19:22

@NathanOsman but regulations.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Neither do I. #NoCombClub

Seth

I can't comb my hair either @James

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe ...are usually bad.

Kaz Wolfe

regulations are important.

Seth

So I just go with a #5 buzz cut >:D

Kaz Wolfe

19:22

two words: net neutrality.

James

@Seth I should do that.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe how did I know you were going to bring that up...

James

@KazWolfe Is at risk because regulation makes starting a ISP very difficult.

If there were multiple ISPs, we wouldn't have to do that.

because then you'd just switch

Kaz Wolfe

counter: regulations also prevent existing ISPs doing what they want to do.

James

I tried starting an ISP

regulations prevent new ones from starting and don't prevent existing ones from doing whatever the heck they want to a very large degree.

Kaz Wolfe

19:24

if we don't regulate ISPs, they're going to deny clients from acting as ISPs.

James

Don't argue NN/ISP politics with me, this is one area I know very well lol. (well, at least 2011-era stuff)

Elaborate further?

I don't understand your statement.

Kaz Wolfe

You want to start a neighborhood ISP. Charter says "lol no, you'd eat our profits"

James

OK. What can they do right now?

Kaz Wolfe

You require an upstream connection, don't you?

Android Dev

You'd eat through your allowed bandwidth in no time anyways

James

19:25

Yes, but you don't have to get that from Charter.

Kaz Wolfe

oh? who else services your neighborhood?

Dial-up?

James

Even if Charter is the only consumer game in town, most of america is reasonably close to a cross-continent fiber backhaul.

did it just double post... i tried to edit. :\

Kaz Wolfe

and how would you, a regular person wanting to start an isp, be able to sneak any equipment into any of the cabinets?

James

I'm not a regular person

Seth

He uses vim.

(sorry, had to :P)

James

19:27

gawddamnitseth

i'm an ISP that is negotiating a deal with Level3 and ATT's backhaul division.

Kaz Wolfe

your barrier of entry is cost, then.

James

we're talking $10k

all we needed to start the ISP was 10K and our time.

Kaz Wolfe

to get a meeting and negotiate agreements with upstream ISPs?

Seth

@James In my defense, I use vim too

James

No

that's equipment costs for our service area

we'd need about 200K to tide us over to deal with federal, state and local regulations + permits.

Kaz Wolfe

19:29

@Seth in my defense, i have vim installed in case nano doesn't work.

Yes, but what about actually getting your upstream providers to provide you service instead of just saying "no, screw you"

James

If it was as simple as calling up ATT and saying "Hey, lets do business, we need a 10GB fiber connection at junction box 35B, pay-as-you-go", we'd be in houses for $20k

ATT backhaul division runs under a different set of rules than ATT consumer

level3 literally exists to service ISPs

L3 won't say no if we can pay them

ATT probably wouldn't

Seth

I'm one of those weird libertarians that actually supports net neutrality. People keep telling me I'm wrong but can't explain how/why other than "regs are bad!" but that's just silly.

James

because again, no skin off ATT backhauls nose.

and ATT backhaul needs to make money, because ATT consumer doesn't pay 100% of those bills

so... I understand where you're coming from, but it's not that simple.

people say "ATT/TWC/Charter/Cox/whatever won't give us an uplink because we'll eat into their profits"

yeah, their consumer divisions will hate you

Seth

Regs are bad when they stop the free market operating.. but there is no free market for ISPs because infrastructure..

James

but their enterprise & backhaul departments run at razor thin margins, so those will at least talk to you and take you seriously.

Seth

19:32

@James o rly? did not know

I assumed they make big bucks of business links.

James

(This could be very different - I'm talking about circa 2011, Cleveland, OH.)

@Seth no, they don't because most (for fiber) offer 24x7 NOC support

and that is EXPENSIVE AS HELL

like, "my business fiber is down, pick up the phone and speak to a human within 3 rings" type of support

Kaz Wolfe

yes, that. unlike consumer support that will send a guy between march and june, if a big link goes down, you'll have someone there in 10 minutes.

James

biz pays for it, but it only covers about 98% of the cost

Really, I could go either way on ISP regulation.

It sucks right now, it could suck then. But it's not cut and dry, unlike a lot of other things.

Kaz Wolfe

ISPs still shouldn't be able to sell my data freely and otherwise throttle connections unless I pay more.

Seth

my only issue is, at my place, it's Comcast or nothing. So if Comcast screws with me then what?

Kaz Wolfe

19:35

Especially because where I live, I have two choices. Crappy ISP or dialup.

James

@Seth if it wasn't as heavily regulated, you could start your own ISP

if it's regulated so that they can't do that, problem solved.

Seth

In most markets it's not a big deal, but in Internet you can't just "create" competition because of the required infrastructure.

Kaz Wolfe

^

Seth

@James Who pays for the cables?

James

@Seth customers.

and it's not expensive to do that either.

Kaz Wolfe

19:36

Not everyone has the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars required to roll out infrastructure.

James

one sec, lemme find the blog post about the island ISP.

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/…

Kaz Wolfe

Yes, I'm sure my customers would be very willing to pay a $3700 installation fee for me to drag a cable to them.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Can I have an undelete vote here plz ?askubuntu.com/a/598649/295286

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

20:04

3 answers so far. Maybe I should go take a lunch break now ?

Nathan Osman

→ 24 messages moved to Potentially charged political debates

→ 73 messages moved to Potentially charged political debates

Does that go far enough back?

James

Yeah, that gets most of the truly incendiary remarks.

~~~~ this is where we stopped being political here, carry on with your Ubuntu chats ~~~~

(oh and cat pics)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Ubuntu chats in Ask Ubuntu general room ? that never happens

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

20:36

@terdon I'm am stoopiding right now with Perl. Can you explain why my $w+=$#F thing doesn't work here:

$ perl -lnae '$w+=$#F;print $w;if(eof){printf("lines: %d words: %d file: %s\n",$.,$w,$ARGV);$w=$.=0;}' input.txt
2
4
3
4
3
lines: 5 words: 3 file: input.txt

Oh . . wait

$ perl -lnae '$w+=$#F+1;print $w;if(eof){printf("lines: %d words: %d file: %s\n",$.,$w,$ARGV);$w=$.=0;}' input.txt
3
6
6
8
8
lines: 5 words: 8 file: input.txt

Nevermind

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

20:52

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Byte Commander

21:41

Interesting question, guy can't delete a folder in Ubuntu on Windows Subsystem for Linux. askubuntu.com/q/921594/367990

nvm, close it as no repro please

The problem seems to have resolved itself. I installed CMake again, from source, and make install and I could now delete the folder. Maybe it had something to do with symbolic links? — Adi Shavit 1 min ago

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

22:05

5 answers today. Quite simplistic actually, nothing too challenging

Byte Commander

We stand on the shoulders of giants who bothered to login to StackOverflow and explain their problem in words easily indexed by Google.

Tweeted by SwiftOnSecurity on June 1, 2017 at 7:43 PM

5

Same applies to Ask Ubuntu IMHO

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@ByteCommander Pretty much

Some of the best answerers can deliver explanation in a more or less human language, such that you can have an "A-ha !" or the "OOOoooooh, that's how it works" moment

Byte Commander

Just had one after answering askubuntu.com/a/921606/367990 from the comments.

terdon

22:25

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy nothing like rubber duck debugging, eh? :p

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon I know about duck typing, but what's rubber duck debugging ?

Also . . . . I need coffee . . . plz . . . I need to unquit . . .

Byte Commander

debugging by explaining what the code does to someone (a rubber duck)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I think I did the opposite here . . . I didn't explain anything at all . . .But I did notice what I noticed and purposefully ignored before

number of words == $#F + 1

also because I don't have a clue of what I am doing most of the time

Mateo

22:56

@Fabby it sends the desktop site ua

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

23:14

Blerh. My energy is fading

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