Ask Ubuntu General Room

David Foerster

15:02

And anti-virus manufacturers are cashing in on it because anti-virus users can deflect liability by using a "state-of-the-art" defence mechanism even if anti-viruses don't work in principle.

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster There were times when people laughed about my strict and "old school" security strategy ... seems to have found an end ! :D

@DavidFoerster AV in most cases is useless and sometimes instead of avoiding affection they add things which increase the potential getting affected, so ...

David Foerster

@cl-netbox Same thing when there's another "outrage" about Facebook using its users' data in unexpected ways (from the point of view of the latter) and I tell them that Facebook's actions are morally questionable but legal and if they don't want that they should stop using it. Then they stop talking to me because that's too outlandish.

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster Exactly ! You say the truth ! Sometimes those people are so stupid ... outlandish ??? ... well, I say it's "intelligentish" ! :)

David Foerster

… or rather, they don't talk to me because I'm not on Facebook and e-mail is "too inconvenient". :-(

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster same with me ... but I don't care a dime what people say ... Facebook is the opposite of Privacy and Mail is a good alternative - how can someone call it inconvenient ? But okay ...

David Foerster

15:11

So, yeah, if they're willing to sell their personal information for convenience that's fine but then don't complain about the consequences.

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster Exactly that ! :)

David Foerster

On the other hand I keep encountering public organisations who make Facebook a de-facto mandatory tool to use their services effectively.

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster yes, unbelievable - but that's how things evolve in these days :(

David Foerster

A friend of mine had college lecturers (at a public school) who used Facebook as the primary mean of communication with students, i. e. she didn't receive notifications about rescheduled or cancelled events without it.

cl-netbox

By the way @DavidFoerster - seems that not many want to follow my example -> chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/37461889#37461889 :(

David Foerster

15:17

I encountered multiple (private) online service providers or online communities who required a Facebook or Google account for authentication. Nope, not going to link my Google Developer account to that.

Google is no better than Facebook in that aspect but at least it offers services that are relevant to my studies and profession. I don't really mind if traces of my professional activity leak all over the Internet but I keep personal stuff out of there.

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster We seem to act the same way : first think - then click (as I call it) ! :)

Seth

The UK is getting closer and closer to a police state all the time..
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/6bmpb8/privacy_activist_muhammad_rabbani_faces_terrorism/

jokerdino

I don't feel like wanting to visit UK now..

cl-netbox

@Seth and where US is getting closer and closer to is something we better shouldn't talk about - right ? Hi Seth ! :)

Hi @jokerdino ! :) How are you ?

David Foerster

@jokerdino Just don't bring any devices with personal information. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jokerdino

15:25

Wow, why didn't I think of that!

David Foerster

… also, be white.

jokerdino

hmm

@cl-netbox I am fine, thank you. How you do?

Seth

@cl-netbox you got defensive fast. If you pay attention you'll notice I'm not fan of the US either. But at least we have the right to remain silent and US citizenship goes for something.

cl-netbox

@jokerdino Fine as well, thanks ! :)

David Foerster

I don't have any mobile devices with personal information but if I had any I wouldn't bring them to the UK before wiping their data (and rebuild it from some online storage).

@Seth Yeah, at least the U.S. have a constitution with unalienable rights. The U.K. doesn't. You have to rely on the European Court of Human Rights for that.

… on the other hand, in the U.S. non-citizens don't really have rights either. Sometimes I think they only grant rights to foreigners to not piss off their allies and friends.

Seth

15:30

@DavidFoerster well, the Constitution is ignored all the time, but it's true the legal basis will still help you in court.

jokerdino

Whatever happened to the bastion of human rights, democracy, freedom, liberty, yadda yadda.

cl-netbox

@Seth sounds as if you got it wrong : I generally don't make a difference between nations ... generally I like America and their open-minded people ... what I wanted to say is that in both countries (UK and US) things are not on the best way (democracy wise) at the moment. Many things go into the wrong direction ...

terdon

@Seth Uhm. . . not really.. Tell that to all those people held in Guantanamo. Some of those are US citizens and many, as I recall, have never even been charged yet. I don't think the UK law is any different to the Patriot Act, is it?

David Foerster

@jokerdino only if you're white and Christian.

jokerdino

It's PATRIOT Act.

cl-netbox

15:32

Hi terdon ! :)

terdon

o/

jokerdino

It is an acronym or something.

terdon

"Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001"

Sheesh. Talk about Newspeak.

David Foerster

@terdon The U.K. doesn't have extra-legal detainment afaik. They just have laws that allow detainment without charges (which the U.S. doesn't because that would violate its constitution).

terdon

I don't think anyone has "extra-legal" detainment. Not in the "Western world" anyway.

jokerdino

15:33

@Seth Constitution is the limitation of the State (government) powers.

terdon

Anyone else, I mean.

David Foerster

@terdon The detainment facilities in Guantanamo Bay & Co. are extra-legal because the U.S. government (who operates it) claims that it falls outside of U.S. jurisdiction and doesn't fall under anybody else's.

terdon

I know. Brilliant, innit?

David Foerster

Also, the U.S. ratified none of the international treaties that would prevent the creation of such extra-legal jurisdictions.

jokerdino

Of course.

Seth

15:38

@terdon um, no, very different.

terdon

@Seth Why? That also permits detaining citizens with no evidence, doesn't it?

Seth

@terdon no

terdon

@DavidFoerster Not only those either: foreignpolicy.com/2012/05/17/…

David Foerster

There was a German citizen detained in Guantanamo Bay for over 6 years, most of which after the U.S. government cleared him of all suspicions related to terrorism. The remaining time was because the German government didn't want to take him back (presumably because he might bring legal charges against the secretaries who knew of his detainment and wilfully ignored their duty to protect a German citizen from illegal or inhumane detainment abroad.)

terdon

@Seth Are you sure? I know it used to when it was first passed.

Seth

15:39

Border patrol can detain you for technically forever, but they also can't refuse you entry either. That's as close as it gets. Besides those things like gitmo that are just abhorrent period.

I like how the UK gets instantly protected here though, no matter what they've done.

terdon

@Seth I think you're wrong:

> The NDAA provision first signed into law in 2012, which permits indefinite detention without trial, remains in law as of 2017.

Indefinite detention without trial

Indefinite detention is the incarceration of an arrested person by a national government or law enforcement agency without a trial, and violates many national and international laws, including human rights laws. In recent years, governments have indefinitely incarcerated individuals suspected of terrorism, sometimes declaring them enemy combatants. == Views == Most of the nations of the world and human rights groups hold unfavorable views of indefinite detention. === Australia === In 1994, indefinite detention was introduced for Vietnamese, Chinese, and Cambodian refugees; previous laws had had...

aclu.org/news/…

> Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody,

Seth

*of immigrants

terdon

@Seth Read the line just above.

> The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second District struck down an injunction against indefinite detention of U.S. citizens by the president under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 in a July 17 ruling that is a blow to civil liberties protected by the U.S. Constitution. The appellate court ruled:

thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/…

Seth

@terdon oh it happens. It's not legal. Lots of illegal things are done by our government all the time.

terdon

> The Section 1021 of the NDAA allows “detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities” for “a person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.” The court is technically correct in stating that the law does not

Seth

15:44

You should all know by now I'm a big critic of the US. But when I dare criticize the UK on the other hand you all coming rushing to it's defense.

jokerdino

Ah, UK is doing such things legally then?

terdon

@Seth I know you are! That's why I'm surprised you haven't heard of this.

David Foerster

@terdon How convenient that they found a war that they can fight perpetually.

terdon

And this isn't about defending the UK. Believe me, I am extremely unlikely to do that. Just pointing out that the US also has similar laws.

Seth

@terdon looking at that article it seems the courts have struck it down multiple times but the gov. keeps putting it back with different wording...

cl-netbox

15:46

@Seth again : you misinterpret it Seth - it's just that ALSO in the US things not always go the way they should go ... we don't defend anything. :)

Seth

@terdon no, we don't have a law that makes you a criminal for being silent.

jokerdino

Yeah

Thomas Ward

^ that

jokerdino

Right to Speech has an implicit Right to Silence.

terdon

> Under the examination stage you can be searched, your devices can be confiscated, and because you have no right to remain silent, this is where it’s connected to the gist of my case. You have to answer when they ask you, “What’s your password?”

I see

Seth

15:47

Grr, where is my password reset email people? :|

Thomas Ward

@Seth lost in the shadows

Seth

I wonder if I changed the email I use with them.

David Foerster

@jokerdino Depends on the context. There is no right to silence for witnesses of crimes unless a truthful testimony would incriminate the witness themself.

TheXed

hi.

cl-netbox

Hi @TheXed @ThomasWard ! :)

David Foerster

15:50

@jokerdino The negative right to free speech means that you can't be forced to express an opinion. But a testimony or a statement of self-identification is no opinion. Just like a passphrase is no opinion but a statement of fact.

TheXed

Selling some Chromebooks...

jokerdino

I guess passphrases would be under Right to Privacy.

Implied from Right to Life.

Or is that inferred.

David Foerster

@jokerdino That could work but there's generally no expectation of privacy in criminal or customs proceedings. All there is is the right to not incriminate yourself.

Seth

Passphrase is protected by the 5th amendment preventing self incrimination.

jokerdino

How can someone search your things without a warrant?

terdon

15:57

@jokerdino That depends entirely on the country you're in.

David Foerster

@jokerdino The source of a right to privacy varies between legal contexts. In Europe it's based on the right to dignity which implies a right to (informational) self-determination and to not be objectified by other legal entities.

Seth

@jokerdino Lots of illegal ways in the US..

jokerdino

:/

David Foerster

@jokerdino Customs or imminent danger/exigent circumstances.

Avery

tfw the best way to use XMPP on PC is through a VM by running Conversations on Android.

David Foerster

16:02

@Avery Huh? There are multiple well working XMPP clients on Ubuntu and Linux in general as well as Windows an OS X.

jokerdino

@DavidFoerster Those seem defined reasonable exceptions.

RobotHumans

libempathy

if you want one good goal, use one good lib everywhere

David Foerster

@RobotHumans: Does libempathy support some of the more recent popular XEPs in case Avery is interested in that?

Avery

only one with OMEMO support is libpurple/pidgin and gajim: omemo.top

RobotHumans

@DavidFoerster i have no idea if it does, but it's the library i would use or improve if i were interested in doing anything with xmpp

Avery

16:05

and I dislike both as combining everything equals tons of bugs and some workarounds to get some stuff working

David Foerster

@Avery: So let me restate your original complaint: "tfw the best way to use OMEMO, a relatively recent, non-trivial XMPP extension, on PC is through a VM by running Conversations on Android."

RobotHumans

it's my understanding telepathy is the top level wrapper that can use both purple and empathy

@DavidFoerster Ok, I didn't scroll up far enough

David Foerster

@RobotHumans Yeah, but I doubt that Avery wants to use anything based on Telepathy if they don't want Purple-based solutions because they're bug-riddled.

RobotHumans

Well, then fix the bugs.

2

It's what I do every day. Kick over an anthill of tests that weren't working because of inconsistencies and poke it until I can pin them down - then hand it off to dev. Sadly, when people use "tests completed per number of hours" it looks bad when they only give you the hard tests until you just stop clocking in and say "I'm waiting for dev to get back to us, but I didn't bill for the waiting"

Avery

@DavidFoerster meh, yeah.

RobotHumans

16:13

Like, don't hand me the test that says "enter derpderp in the search field. ensure only lines containing derpderp are returned" and instead say "Verify a new widget" that requires wrapping 20 APIs with broken API docs... but I'm irritated, so take that with a grain of salt

zhk

Hello guyz

Any one interested in Maple then please join us here

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/107315/maple

edwinksl

16:29

good luck

Zanna

16:47

Someone need help criticizing the UK?

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Launch Application from Terminal to GUI

I am creating an application via PHP and using the exec function to launch specific applications from a web browser. I won't be using a mouse and keyboard for the mini pc and it will be plugged into a TV so I want to be able to launch and application and it's then forwarded to the Desktop and can...

Zanna

@Seth yeah :(

@DavidFoerster ugh

David Foerster

17:15

@Zanna There's a meme in Germany when the police catches someone with a huge cache of weapons, explosives or chemicals for the production of explosives in their home: It's alright; he's white and neither Muslim nor associated with left extremist groups; he'll get a fine, community and maybe a few months on probation and that's it.

user136984

@terdon Yeah, I really like them, and it's a fun video.

David Foerster

…certainly less than a year because then he'd lose his police job.

Zanna

@DavidFoerster yeah I know. I really know. I know the implication of what you said is completely correct, and I am mad about it, and I know you are mad about it

And it's good to call it out too

David Foerster

I mean, I can kind of follow the line of argument about ideological extremism but it's rarely applied equally to all ideologies. There is no relevant group of fanatic Christians in Germany, so there's that at least, but right wing extremists are often better off than left wing in criminal proceedings.

It doesn't help that about half of the upper and middle leadership of extremist right wing groups are paid and protected informants of the domestic intelligence service. (A former leader of a right wing political party said that the party wouldn't have existed without funding by the intelligence services.)

Anwar

hmm. It seems I missed an important discussion :)

muru

17:26

More suited for SU?

0

Q: How should I manage my charging cycles to extend battery life?

I use my laptop throughout the day for various work. My usage starts sometime after breakfast and continuous into night, till about 9 pm, then breaks for dinner and continues for another hour or two. During this entire while, my laptop obviously gets discharge a couple of times. What I currently ...

power-management laptop battery charging

David Foerster

… and that's no conspiracy theory. It's well documented by former and (anonymous) current members of these right wing groups, the intelligence services, police, prosecutors. It came even up and was confirmed in prominent court cases.

user136984

@terdon: Listening to that got me into a really Jazzy Blues mood last night so I started listening to:

user136984

Ella F. and Louis Armstrong - Let's Call the Whole Thing Off

►

user136984

:)

David Foerster

What the hell should I make for dinner?

terdon

17:30

@DavidFoerster language

David Foerster

@terdon Not really satiating. ;-P

Better?

muru

@terdon migratable? askubuntu.com/questions/916179/…

terdon

@DavidFoerster Thanks. And don't look at me, I didn't make that rule, I just have to enforce it. This room has an extremely low tolerance for profanity .

@muru Yeah, I saw that. I'd say not in its current state. Maybe with some details on the exact hardware, well the battery, it might be on topic on SU. Not sure though.

muru

OK

Nathan Osman

o/

Seth

17:37

@muru @terdon I think it would be a good candidate for Super User as is. He's asking how to best treat his battery. Yeah, the exact battery would be helpful but it's 99% likely to be either li-ion or li-polymer.

terdon

Yeah, maybe. Is the dawg around?

@JourneymanGeek?

jokerdino

Sleeping.

It's about 0130.

terdon

Ah

Well, may as well pass it on then, I guess.

Done

user136984

17:59

The music I am listening to started making a funny nose... But I assumed that it had to be just my belly rumbling because it was a particularity quiet part of the song! :D

Zanna

18:49

Is this on-topic after all?

Seth

I wonder if we can get Jorge to comment on that

Zanna

I voted reopen :S

But it seems like we CV questions about MAAS whether they mention CentOS or not! I see them in the queue and skip them because idk

terdon

@Seth Seems quite clearly on topic if it's a Canonical product. Isn't it?

ubuntu.com/server/maas

Now, we might want to make it off topic, but I don't see how it can be under the current rules.

Which is a shame since I doubt we'll be able to help much.

Android Dev

0

Q: Is there a screenshot utility for Ubuntu with similar functionality to Shotty?

NB: See bottom for actual question There is an awesome screenshot utility for Windows called Shotty. It preserves translucency and drop shadow effects in screenshots. For example: However, a screenshot from Ubuntu's built in utility does not preserve these effects, and looks pretty bad in c...

screenshot

Zanna

19:11

@terdon I didn't even realise it was until now >_<

terdon

I hadn't even heard of it until now :)

Seth

@terdon yeah, looks like it after viewing the MAAS page. His question didn't make it clear.

I don't see any reason to make it off-topic.

terdon

@Seth Me neither. Only that if it's a question about how this MAAS thing interacts with the latest CentOS, it seems unlikely that we'll be able to help.

terdon

19:33

Are any Canonical employees still active these days?

Maybe we should ask them to keep an eye on the MAAS questions.

David Foerster

@Ravexina: Why did you delete your answer? It looks good to me.

terdon

19:48

@DavidFoerster It doesn't get the drop shadows. I tried it too.

user136984

Please upvote this to make it a reality:

user136984

6

Q: Make clicking “Recommend Deletion” in the VLQ queue automatically upvote the correct comment

When I select “Recommend deletion” in the VLQ queue, it will automatically add a comment to the post with my reason, if someone hasn’t already. I’m suggesting that the system automatically upvote the comment on my behalf to indicate that multiple users agree with the comment.

feature-request comments review low-quality-posts

user136984

This really should be the case already.

Ravexina

@DavidFoerster I wasn't sure if it works...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: How can I kill a process running on a specific IP and port?

I was wondering, is there any way to kill a process that is running on a specific IP and port on Ubuntu 14.04 on a local IP and port? Preferably, this would be in one command, but if not, a bash script would be perfectly fine as well.

ubuntu networking command-line process kill

Android Dev

19:59

@ParanoidPanda I think it does already do that

Seth

yeah I thought that was implemented?

terdon

me too

Rinzwind

20:12

1

Q: Trying to use MAAS 2.1.3 to deploy Centos 7

MAAS is an Ubuntu product, it is shipping on the Ubuntu ISO images, it directly includes support for installing Centos 6.6 and 7.0, and the scripts that deploy Centos are part of the MAAS system written by the Ubuntu team. AND the MAAS users are directed to the "Ask Ubuntu" forum for support, in...

maas

I would still call this off topic :X

the part from maas for CENTOS was done by Redhat

Seth

1 hour ago, by Zanna

Is this on-topic after all?

Rinzwind

I know ;-)

damn my memory is foggy today/. I should know what part he needs :X

ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360884

user136984

@AndroidDev @Seth @terdon: I have checked and it is not.

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Really? Huh.

Seth

20:32

Someone submitted 400,000+ anti-#netneutrality comments to @FCC & many appear to be fake. See if your name was used… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/864905965644247041

Tweeted by fightfortheftr on May 17, 2017 at 6:10 PM

When the Government is fighting for deregulation you know something is wrong..

craftxbox

so my fs is dead

ntfs that is

have a backup of it incase i want to recover it or try ever again

is it safe to wipe the remaining two windows parts and expand my ubuntu part?

David Foerster

20:49

@craftxbox Define safe. You say you have a back-up image of the drive or partition, so you won't lose any (additional) data. There's just the risk that the back-up medium fails.

craftxbox

very low

Avery

@craftxbox that's not exactly explanative

David Foerster

Yes, the risk is quite low and probably low enough for most people and cases but not necessarily for you/yours. Only you can judge that.

Avery

oh, you were talking about the risk

craftxbox

alright so i shold ne safe?

David Foerster

20:54

@craftxbox I can't parse that sentence.

craftxbox

are you a robot?

s/shold ne/should be

David Foerster

@craftxbox No. Would that change anything?

craftxbox

should i be safe to wipe them

David Foerster

Ok. I understand that. However, you're still referring to "safe" which I asked you to define. Without knowledge of what level of safety you find acceptable nobody can answer that question.

craftxbox

i shouldnt lose the backup

David Foerster

20:57

Well, if you don't wipe or overwrite the back-up then you'll still have the back-up.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: socat[10261] E SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations():

I was trying to run this command in ubuntu: sudo socat -v -v openssl-listen:443,reuseaddr,fork,cert=$FILENAME.pem,cafile=$FILENAME.crt,verify=0 - But I got this error message: 2017/05/17 20:56:12 socat[10268] E SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations(): error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file...

linux ubuntu command-line socat

user136984

22:20

Goodnight! :)

Nathan Osman

22:35

Switching between Java for Android development and C++/Qt for desktop development is mentally taxing.

Oh the joys of cross-platform development.

TheWanderer

22:52

@NathanOsman try setting up in-app purchases

Seth

23:03

@NathanOsman I'm sure!

You should just use C# for everything :P

Avery

C# main here

don't use c# for everything

or anything

don't make yourself suffer

Seth

while my statement was intended in jest, I do wonder why you say that.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

23:19

Hello roomies!

2

Seth

Roomies. I like that! :D

WinEunuuchs2Unix

What's wrong with C#?

I thought it was basically C with a little better type checking or something along those lines.

TheWanderer

hey @NathanOsman

chaskes

C# is fine. Sometimes I don't like the MS design assumptions it tries to force you into when using VS. Like defaulting to data-bound controls, etc.

@Seth My S6 battery was dying so I just got a S8+

TheWanderer

ew and not-so-ew @chaskes

chaskes

23:31

Um, on the samsungs? Me like 'em

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I just saw an S8 / S8+ billboard an hour ago. Nice wrap around screen.

TheWanderer

lim Speed(TouchWiz) time --> ∞ = 0

Seth

@chaskes Cool!

TheWanderer

what happened to Osman

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I saw Nathan last night.

Seth

23:33

I wonder how hard it would be to replace the S6's battery..

TheWanderer

anyone else wanna help me test my IAPs?

@Seth HAHAHAHAHA

Avery

@chaskes yeah this mostly

TheWanderer

I will refund I promise :p

Avery

I also don't like the solution/project architecture

chaskes

I wanted to wait to see the S8 Note, but that's not coming out til fall now.

Avery

23:34

s8 note or note 8?

Seth

@TheWanderer I don't think it would be that hard.

chaskes

@Seth It was paid for and Android 7 was a little slower on it, so I figured just go new.

Seth

@chaskes if you can that's great. I was just curious.

TheWanderer

@Seth it really isn't that easy

chaskes

@Avery Exactly. Overall everything is fine, but MS makes it kinda hard to move away from their model.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

23:35

The advert I saw was for an "S8" or "S8+" but it's $300 off and it's a phone, don't know if it's Galaxy or Note or whatever.

TheWanderer

Samsung doesn't have the special adhesive for the battery on the S6

@WinEunuuchs2Unix well it's either S* or Note *

Seth

@TheWanderer indeed it looks harder than I thought, but still doable.

TheWanderer

or J* or P* or E*

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheWanderer "duly noted"

TheWanderer

@Seth doable, maybe, but I'd wear gloves

Seth

23:36

Not as easy as those other phones Zach was doing "clear editions" on though.

TheWanderer

@WinEunuuchs2Unix >_>

Avery

@chaskes also I don't like how it's a pain to use nuget from cli, but it's meh other than that

WinEunuuchs2Unix

:D

TheWanderer

@Seth I want a clear phone now lol

but alas, my removable back is metal....

wait

removable....

WinEunuuchs2Unix

When my Alcatel dies (if it ever does) I'm going to buy... another Alcatel :)

TheWanderer

23:37

I have access to a CNC/lathe

Seth

@TheWanderer ding ding ding ;p

TheWanderer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Avery

oh

nuget is on arch repos

not even aur...

TheWanderer

but seriously

anyone wanna test mah app

Seth

hm, is restarting lightDM still lightdm restart or systemctl restart lightdm.service?

TheWanderer

23:42

I use sudo service lightdm restart :p

Seth

right, it's service lightdm restart. Been a while since I've run it.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

When I restarted lightdm I don't remember using systemd

chaskes

Hmm, redshift keeps crashing gnome-shell but only in Ubuntu Gnome 17.04

Seth

ah gnome...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

is redshift the auto screen dimmer / brightner based on sunrise / sunset?

chaskes

23:44

not trying to start that convo... ;)

but I think it's an Ubu connected bug since it works everywhere else fine

@WinEunuuchs2Unix It's one of several things that do that, yeah

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@chaskes I wrote one it's been working nicely for a few months now... but it adjusts display brightness every minute... not the red balance like the other packages do.

chaskes

Sounds interesting. I don't like frequent changes though. I always turn off auto adjusters.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

It requires bash version 4 though.

When it adjusts every minute you can't see the change... and usually it's sunrise to 120 minutes and minus 120 minutes to sunset so it's not all day or all night long.

sunrise and sunset times are obtained with cron daily some packages make you type the times in.

chaskes

bash 4 has been out for 8 years

WinEunuuchs2Unix

yeah I know :)

I was bragging you don't need Gnome 3.24 and Ubuntu 17.04 is all ;)

Avery

23:50

@WinEunuuchs2Unix you shouldn't use systemd anyways

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Plus you don't have to install a 3rd party app because bash is built in. You do need Zenity for configuration of transition times and display levels

Avery

sudo apt remove systemd -y --force

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Avery I wasn't the one asking the systemd question av

TheWanderer

@Avery oh dear

chaskes

Personally I always keep brightness and blue light both way down 24/7

WinEunuuchs2Unix

23:51

My intel adapter goes up to 8,2?? and I have it set to 300 at night and 2,000 in day time. with 90 minute transition after sunrise and before sunset I think... haven't changed it in a long time so don't remember.

Avery

tbf I'd love to see an ubuntu remix without systemd

not that I'd use it (on my main machine at least), I like systemd, but just to see if it's possible/usable.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

^^^ heres the display auto brightness config

I should rewrite it in yad though which is more powerful than zenity.

chaskes

Maybe you should show the current settings

WinEunuuchs2Unix

that's why I should do it in yad

zenity I have to put current settings in the label before the data field.

see them?

they are in brackets

chaskes

Oh, yeah, they looked like max possible values to me

WinEunuuchs2Unix

23:54

(parenthesis)

hell no, 8,234 or something is max and it burns your eyeballs out.

My laptop is inside on sunny days though. I guess if you were outside with sun shining on screen you might use 4,000 maybe?

It's a 10 pound laptop so it doesn't get out much... for that I have a 1 pound phone.

chaskes

not reading it that closely... so chill please

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Anyway if you want the bash scripts they are posted here: askubuntu.com/questions/894460/…

like I said they've been working perfectly for months now.

chaskes

Huh, you mention redshift in that answer, but just asked me what it was... :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

The only catch is the 1 minute delay... so if you suspend in the morning when it's dark and resume after work when it's bright average 30 second delay before screen brightness changes.

I think gnomes program is called "night dimmer" or "light dimmer" or "night light" or something like that. I think redshift is the one they copied from.

There is another one I think called F-Lux or something.

Then there are some for Windows too.

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