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Anwar

19:01

is this on-topic? because none of the Ubuntu variants are barebone linux askubuntu.com/q/915843/61218

Zanna

the latest desktop version of telegram is making me really really angry

why would you do this devs?

@Anwar I think it's completely off-topic

Seth

@Zanna why?

user136984

I cannot figure out what the guy is trying to say here:

user136984

-1

A: Run a shell script as another user that has no password

What if one needs to start 1st command as sudo and the next one as a user: #!/bin/bash #script to monitor progress of "dd" command # sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd) watch -n5 'sudo kill -USR1 $(pgrep ^dd)' The second command won't start, neither with the addition of sudo -H -u <user> bash -c

Zanna

@Seth it has this HUGE emoji panel taking up 1/4 of the screen

user136984

19:08

But maybe someone should flag it, I recently flagged something and it got rejected so it's not letting me flag anything now... Annoyingly...

Zanna

but I've found an issue that leads me to the way to get rid of that thing

Seth

@Zanna oof! so it does! and they don't let you resize it horizontally! eww

Zanna

IKR!!?

why would they think that was a good thing to do?

Anwar

@Zanna it was ArchLinux

Seth

now my window is super wide and I can't resize it ಠ_ಠ

Zanna

19:10

@Anwar :) that doesn't make it ok

Jason Bourne

Hello @seth, lol.

Seth

@JasonBourne Hi!

user136984

@Seth: When I started reading that I took it to mean an actual window in your room! :D

Seth

haha

Zanna

@Seth to get rid of the emoji bar, click the emoji icon on the right of the method input field

user136984

19:11

Then when you started talking about resizing it I had a very odd imagining and them came to my senses on the matter.

Anwar

@Zanna I mean we got a proof. Already voted there

Zanna

@Anwar I know :)

that was to them, not you

Jason Bourne

Other than Unity being scrapped are there any other major recent news I need to know about Ubuntu or Linux in general? =)

Nathan Osman

Wat.

Yes it is. It exists.

Sigh. Must be a bug.

Seth

@JasonBourne Well Windows will soon have Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu in the Windows store.

Jason Bourne

19:15

@Seth What does that even mean? Downloading the ISO images?

Seth

@JasonBourne I don't even know >.<

Jason Bourne

@Seth I thought you knew everything. =)

Seth

haha nope

@JasonBourne I think it's just the linux subsystem for Windows with a different base

Jason Bourne

I really don't like Fedora and openSUSE though.

Zanna

compiling kernel with 6 patches for my toaster :D

7

Jason Bourne

19:17

@Zanna Does your toaster run on Linux?

Zanna

"limp" may be a more appropriate verb :D

"trundle"...

Jason Bourne

These days I just install Debian with MATE to have a very minimal MATE desktop.

Zanna

I use Ubuntu MATE

it works well actually, I'm being unkind to my machine

Jason Bourne

I did try to install Debian standard live ISO and install a desktop manually following instructions, but I never got to see the desktop.

Zanna

it's a very nice little driver

it just hates Linux

Jason Bourne

19:22

I am always contemplating of whether to use Debian or Ubuntu or Mint, and MATE or Cinnamon.

Zanna

I use Ubuntu because Ask Ubuntu - no contest!

Jason Bourne

But now on I won't install anything outside this combo.

Zanna

you found your sweet spot

Jason Bourne

@Zanna You can always still ask here and pretend. =)

I mean, everything is 99 per cent the same.

Anwar

Hmm... I'll try to remember the name ;)

Zanna

19:23

hmm I rarely ask

it's the answering I want to do right

Jason Bourne

Why do you want to answer? Points can't buy you health or bread or love.

Zanna

I am my dad's tech support on Mint. I find quite a lot of things are different!

Android Dev

@Zanna Good for you for even getting him to use Linux at all :D

Jason Bourne

What fonts do you guys use on your computers? I still like to use Arial and Times New Roman and Courier New for Sans and Serif and Monospaced. =)

Android Dev

@JasonBourne I grabbed all the MS fonts off my Windows install so I can use them in Ubuntu too :)

Anwar

19:26

@JasonBourne Is it only about points? I don't think so

Jason Bourne

@Anwar Exactly, just wondering what motivates people here.

@AndroidDev In case you didn't know, the Microsoft Core Fonts, not all Microsoft fonts, is available as a package in Debian and Ubuntu as well.

Zanna

@AndroidDev thanks :D he loves it. My mum is next hahaha still working on that!

Anwar

@JasonBourne I used all sort of fonts. Currently using Roboto, Open Sans, Cantarell, Aller etc

Zanna

^-- fonts expert

Anwar

@Zanna not an expert. enthusiast may be

Jason Bourne

19:29

@Zanna Using many fonts though does not make one a font expert. =)

Android Dev

@Zanna I wonder how long it would take a Mac user to figure out that Macbuntu isn't just a newer version of OSX

Zanna

I didn't say that. I know Anwar is an expert. I did not meet him for the first time today

Jason Bourne

@Zanna I also didn't say you said that. =)

Zanna

@AndroidDev lol idk, depends whether they use the terminal much! But my mum is not a mac user - we are working class folks XD

@Anwar I think you are still the only one with the badge :)

Android Dev

@Zanna Well, I honestly like Win7 alot better than Mac. I just hate the lack of features and such.

And also Apple is way overpriced

Just make sure to install the security patches on Windows :)

Zanna

19:33

@AndroidDev I hate Apple and everything they make

Jason Bourne

I should start a new company called Orange.

Zanna

You Will Use It The Way We Want You To Use It And You Will Love It

Android Dev

Yup

Couldnt agree more

Jason Bourne

@Zanna That sounds like the Unity desktop. =)

Android Dev

@Zanna Begs the question though why so many techies love Mac

Zanna

19:35

I don't get it... just a status symbol I guess

Jason Bourne

I think Macs are good for book publishers and artists because they contain a lot of tools for that I read somewhere.

Zanna

CPU still chewing away on those kernel sources. Should have said make -j6 instead of -j4. Going to get a shower while I wait haha

Android Dev

@JasonBourne Meh.You can't work with documents in this day in age without MS office.

Nathan Osman

*cough* LaTeX *cough*

Jason Bourne

@AndroidDev At least someone agrees with me that Office is excellent. Sorry but LibreOffice is not good.

Android Dev

19:37

@Zanna You're compiling the kernel?

Zanna

see the starwall -->

Android Dev

@JasonBourne Libreoffice's UI is horrible, IMHO

Jason Bourne

@AndroidDev There is a big difference in the equation editor of LibreOffice and Office.

Zanna

fianlly got sound, but it borks hibernation, so I'm compiling to run make menuconfig to make one driver modular

Android Dev

@Zanna LOL! You don't actually mean to say that you found a way to run Linux on a fancy toaster oven, do you?

Anwar

19:40

@AndroidDev toaster is her hostname afaik.

Android Dev

@JasonBourne True, but the bigger issue is that Libreoffice can't even render documents created with MS Office properly.

Anwar

btw, off for today.

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Hope for the best but plan for the worst?

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev No. Always assume the worst for everything. In other words, be pessimistic.

Jason Bourne

@AndroidDev Also, I love using the shapes in Word to draw geometrical figures.

@NathanOsman Although Linux is for human beings, LaTeX is not. =)

Nathan Osman

19:47

It isn't that bad.

Avery

it is.

Zanna

@AndroidDev haha that would be awesome but it's just what I call my low-spec machine

although in IoT future I'll probably be doing it for real

still compiling...

blade19899

Anybody tried to install SolusOS?

I keep getting:

> "Warning: Cannot find a valid bootloader location (MBR disk)"

Kaz Wolfe

20:03

Well, my prod server just crashed with an OOM error. With a 128 GB swap. Serves me right for trying to run a Tomcat app that returns "hello world."

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Ubuntu needs to be more idiotproof

I have a college degree from an excellent university and I excelled in math and physics but I was terrible at computer programming. I have been using computers since the mid-1980's. I am used to using the Microsoft system but I have also owned Apple/Macintosh computers. I despise Microsoft for...

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Byte Commander

^ I smell rant...

Zanna

it's their second rant today

Byte Commander

whoa , wtf wall of text

Zanna

first rant

Nathan Osman

20:07

There is now an official Android app for Stack Overflow.

Can we press them for an Ask Ubuntu version now? :P

blade19899

@AskUbuntuMeta Wooo, this takes me back when I had time for Ask Ubuntu. SPAM

Byte Commander

@NathanOsman make one

blade19899

@NathanOsman There is an Stackexchange Android app. Why need one for every SE site??

Nathan Osman

I know.

> "For now, the two apps have nearly identical functionality."

> "The new Stack Overflow app has one key difference: It only contains Stack Overflow questions and answers. "

Avery

> The Lenovo's have had problems BUT EVENTUALLY THEY ALWAYS FIX THEMSELVES WITHIN A FEW HOURS

Nathan Osman

20:09

Uh..........

Avery

> when I tried to erase them the Ubuntu Software Center program was erased completely out of the computer.

Zanna

I just overwrote the running kernel

Avery

@Avery um good riddance

Zanna

I am an idiot

Byte Commander

@Zanna trying to vote on the comments or any post says that the post is locked, but I don't see any banner indicating this. There should be one. Bug?

Zanna

20:12

@ByteCommander no banner? migration rejected?

Byte Commander

But migration rejected != locked

Zanna

I think my answer only made it in there because of some race condition :)

Avery

they know \o/ [obvious sarcasm is obvious I hope]

Byte Commander

It has a migration rejected and a put on hold banner, but no locked banner.

Kaz Wolfe

@Avery i love how someone upvoted that

Avery

20:14

I was going to upvote but flagged instead.

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe it got deleted, but your reaction to it was gold

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander it did? aww...

/me casts delete vote on post

Byte Commander

does anyone else think that whole post reads like a Trump speech btw?

Avery

@ByteCommander No.

Byte Commander

/shrug

Avery

20:18

People always ask me about ubuntu, It's fantastic. Let me tell you about ubuntu. I do very well with ubuntu. No one loves ubuntu more than me

BELIEVE ME. We're going to have so many ubuntu you are going to get sick of ubuntu. The ubuntu just got 10 feet higher. I have the best ubuntu

5

Zanna

rebooting into new kernel...

Kaz Wolfe

it's a fun change of pace to do fake mod stuff in meta. nothing ever happens there.

Avery

@KazWolfe poor kaz

you need real mod

with real diamonds

in the sky

Kaz Wolfe

i have cubic zirconia.

Avery

with lucy

and I have beatles playing in my head right now.

Kaz Wolfe

20:19

also, one more delvote needed on that rant.

Avery

I disagree on removal

~~idiocy~~ criticism should be documented and visible.

Kaz Wolfe

Legitimate criticism that brings up valid points that can be discussed, and are on-topic for the site, yes.

Avery

(I'm not calling the user an idiot, they are by calling themselves that the OS is not idiot-proof and they can't use it because of that)

Kaz Wolfe

no, he did explicitly call himself an idiot too. Twice.

Byte Commander

he did.

Nathan Osman

20:23

Yup, he did.

Avery

Byte Commander

@Avery Are you sure recommending that guy freebsd is a good idea?

Avery

yup, he did.

@ByteCommander no. That's why I did that.

Byte Commander

Ah, ok. Maybe I should add something about Gentoo.

Avery

Because he wanted something idiot-proof. Ubuntu isn't. FreeBSD is.

Kaz Wolfe

20:23

DID SOMEBODY SAY LINUX FROM SCRATCH?

Avery

Arch also is.

Just Read The Wiki™

Byte Commander

Why doesn't he make his own OS?

Avery

or rather Just Read The Handbook™

Byte Commander

Can't be that hard, can it?

Kaz Wolfe

@Avery "idiot-proof" == "you can't turn it on if you're an idiot"

Byte Commander

20:24

If Microsoft can make it so that everything fixes itself always...

I'd just love to see that at least once.

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander it does?! wat.

Avery

If you don't like the preinstalled stuff, then use arch

or freebsd

or LFS

Byte Commander

That's what he claimed

Kaz Wolfe

ok, to be fair, it did once. that network wizard does reset the network on rare occasion.

Avery

but if you want something stupid-proof, then just deal with the prebuilt software

The simplest way to stop being an "idiot" is biting the bullet and not living in "idiot proof" software.

Kaz Wolfe

20:26

^

i threw myself head-first into linux and look how well that turned out.

Byte Commander

Yep.

Avery

AAAAAAAAa why is that removed

Zanna

@KazWolfe destroyed

Avery

I was in midst of typing something

Zanna

oh sorry

Avery

20:28

nw :)

I got a screenshot >:)

Zanna

new kernel does something I do not understand

Byte Commander

@Avery I guess it will not stay his last post...

Next one will be ranting about how his rant was deleted

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander brb stalking meta.

Byte Commander

?

Avery

@KazWolfe I literally raged at kde neon freezing and just booted into arch iso and nuked my whole drive without even backing up. I was more than "head-first" tbh

Kaz Wolfe

20:31

well, take care of any post-rants quickly and effectively.

Avery

in other news, I have perfected the art of linuxing.

Kaz Wolfe

but yeah... ubuntu could use better documentation.

chaskes

I used to play that on win 98 all the time

Kaz Wolfe

the archwiki is just this sublime piece of work while the ubuntu wiki is meh at best.

Avery

ubuntu wiki sucks

Byte Commander

20:32

@Avery seriously o.O?

Avery

Yes.

Byte Commander

...

Avery

archwiki + askubuntu = hey what's even microsoft's documentation

Byte Commander

do they even have something like that?

Android Dev

@Zanna Hopefully you don't get a KP :D

Byte Commander

20:34

or just that ugly knowledge base where you need a link from your error message to find anything

Kaz Wolfe

yes, where they tell you to try everything you've already tried.

Avery

linux has man.

bsd has more man.

man is good

Kaz Wolfe

like, "please run SFC /SCANNOW" even though you mentioned running it 12 times in the original post.

blade19899

Alright, can't seem to really fix this problem: "Warning: Cannot find a valid bootloader location (MBR disk)"

Zanna

@AndroidDev it works perfectly, except I can't hibernate even with my hibernate script to unload the buggy drivers first. I have all the debug params set, and I can't debug it because I get NO output whatsoever

maybe I need to modularize i2c_hid as well...

Android Dev

20:36

@Zanna Nothing in dmesg?

How'd overwriting the running kernel work out by the way?

Did things explode?

Zanna

@AndroidDev system boots fine, but when I try to initiate hibernation I get black screen with flashing cursor and no way out. Maybe I should be more patient...

@AndroidDev haha I misread - there was actually one number different, I didn't overwrite

but the kernel is in RAM right? it won't mind ;)

Android Dev

@NathanOsman That's what you should do to your Windows server. You should find a way to overwrite the Windows kernel while the system is running! :D

Avery

@Avery and now i have it on repeat.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Need to correctly install Netgear network pccard FA510 on xubuntu 16.04 by MegustaAmy on askubuntu.com

Kaz Wolfe

@SmokeDetector fp-

Nathan Osman

20:49

Windows batch files don't do wildcard expansion?

WAT.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Do you think this is actually real, or is it just showing random stuff? Something tells me it's not real.

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev It is real.

But, it doesn't track actual attacks on actual hardware.

It instead tracks attacks against honeypots.

Android Dev

@KazWolfe Hmm... how come MS is attacking so much?

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev Azure.

Android Dev

(According to that site)

Kaz Wolfe

20:56

It's not Microsoft attacking anyone, it's people renting servers from MS.

And using those to attack people.

Android Dev

Well then.

Isn't that against the TOS?

Kaz Wolfe

Yes.

Nobody really does anything, because it's very hard to find these attacks real-time.

And if MS did, they'd get into a lot of trouble for spying on their VMs.

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe doesn't work in here

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander I know.

It was more meant for the users of this chat to know.

Byte Commander

And they understand fp-?

Kaz Wolfe

21:03

Some obviously do.

Nathan Osman

I promise never to complain about Bash again. I tried to do something incredibly simple in a Windows batch file and nearly lost the rest of my hair.

Byte Commander

Waiting to see your next updated picture... :P

But you have my sympathy.

Maybe install cygwin or gitbash or mingw or something like that

Nathan Osman

Don't want to do that on a server.

Byte Commander

then face the evil

(and this time I don't mean Thomas)

Kaz Wolfe

hey, i'm not evil. just a researcher.

Nathan Osman

21:10

You aren't Thomas.

Kaz Wolfe

I know.

though he is my new role model. Sorry seth, you got booted.

Nathan Osman

O_O

Seth

I'm not a good role model anyway.

Nathan Osman

lrelease error: Cannot open C:/Jenkins/x86/msvc2013/workspace/nitroshare-windows/toolchain/windows: No such file or directory

What's that supposed to mean?

Oh, hang on.

I know what the problem is.

Wow. lrelease really doesn't like & in a filename.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Have you tried Powershell?

Nathan Osman

21:19

This new problem isn't batch-related. It's CMake and Qt not cooperating.

Android Dev

Ah. BTW, that short burst of you me and zach doing android development is over now. I'm taking a break and playing with other things, like that character LCD

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Will both VMs having the same IP cause me to ping myself

I have very little knowledge of computer networking, Unix, Linux, and VMs. However, I find myself in a job requiring these skills. Please explain everything to me like a noob (sorry). I have been tasked with creating two virtual instances of Ubuntu on my windows 7 machine and having them transfe...

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Q: Why is my program compiling to weird addresses?

I'm following Hacking: The Art of Exploitation along with their lessons, and I've hit a roadblock. When I try to compile the same code they are using, my program will compile to considerably different addresses, making it very hard for me to follow along. For example, for this same code: #incl...

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user136984

Does anyone know if Alpha 1 for 17.10 will ship with GNOME as default or if they are planning the main switch somewhere a little more ahead in the development cycle.

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda It's the change for 17.10, so it should be there from the beginning.

user136984

So is it there already?

user136984

21:25

I heard that they haven't even decided on default GNOME packages to be pre-installed yet or which GNOME version to ship by default.

user136984

So it can't be in there quite just yet.

Android Dev

@KazWolfe and @NathanOsman Would either of you happen to know how to change the Wi-Fi direct channel on Android? I've tried editing /data/misc/wifi/p2p_supplicant.conf and adding p2p_oper_channel=1 and also frequency=2412, but it made no difference.

Nathan Osman

Unfortunately, no.

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman any idea how I can set up multiple python versions on the system and use a virtual env for the tests?

because apparently things are going sideways heh

Nathan Osman

@ThomasWard Do you care if the virtualenv is created with each build?

Android Dev

21:32

@ThomasWard Wait a second... since you're the dark lord, that mean's you're the creator of wannacrypt and are using the compromised computer's free CPU cycles for all of your other evil stuff, right? :D

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman It'll take 3.6.1 an eternity to install, but i don't care if it's created each build. If I could somehow build and install the Python versions first and then have them explicitly referred to during runs that'd be great but IDK how

new to jenkins :)

(travis and circleci both "just work" heh)

Kaz Wolfe

\o/ @ThomasWard \o/

Nathan Osman

@ThomasWard Wait - you're not using the versions on Python bundled on the host?

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman 3.4, 2.7. I can use 2.7, but I also need to test against 3.6.1

hence, virtualenvs

Nathan Osman

So how are you installing each Python version then?

Thomas Ward

21:38

@NathanOsman trying to figure that out now.

brb

I might just ask Circle or Travis how they do it lol

Nathan Osman

Can you unpack a tarball and stick the directory in front of PATH?

Seth

@NathanOsman sounds doable with a script

Byte Commander

Meh, apt is throwing 404s...

DonyorM

22:15

somehow ubuntu managed to properly install install grub to my main machine, but I can't get it to work on backup

everytime I try to boot up the backup drive, it just boots to the windows recovery drive

Nathan Osman

Woot! My mDNS library works on Windows! \o/

Even plays nice with bridged networks.

Next up: macOS.

[gulp]

user136984

22:32

This is very silly:

user136984

The Weather Girls - It's Raining Men

►

user136984

But it's kinda fun, if you ignore all the men. :P

user136984

Anyway...

user136984

Goodnight! :)

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Screw the men. Listen to the voices of the women!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

23:06

That song (original perhaps) is really old like 70's I think.

Holy Moly... I just cleaned my laptop screen and the fonts are no longer fuzzy :p

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