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SQuirel

00:06

I think I found a program called autokey to do it

Nathan Osman

UE4 finished:

Total build time: 6958.42 seconds (Local executor: 6052.00 seconds)

Now it's compiling shaders...

Fabby

00:37

nearly 2h?

What are you building?

Windows 10????

:O ;-)

Avery

@Fabby unreal engine

and its nothing compared to OS kernels

it takes days to compile linux kernel

Journeyman Geek

0_0

It took me half a day or so....

for a whole system. From scratch

(Gentoo)

Fabby

@Avery Last time I tried more then 10 years ago it took 4h on a 486DX

:D

Journeyman Geek

0_0

that was an old computer then ;p

Fabby

(when it was still required for a firewall to compile your own kernel to keep shit you didn't want out of it as there was no such thing as a low-latency kernel)

Journeyman Geek

00:43

lol ah

When I do that I'm just going to throw pfsense on it

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek Bettter?

Avery

@JourneymanGeek old computer, old kernel

Fabby

About 1996-7...

Journeyman Geek

@Avery not necessarily

You can buy a new 386 ;p

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek an ARM386, you can still buy new...

:P ;-)

Journeyman Geek

00:45

@Fabby they still make embedded 386es and 486es

I was thinking these dmp.com.tw

Fabby

I knew 386es were input processors to a Cray, but didn't know that one...

Journeyman Geek

and theory, if you had the right subset of skill and insanity, you can make/design your own 486 compatible processors.

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek I've got the insanity, though not the skills...

:D :D :D

Journeyman Geek

not sure if pentium is post-patent

and x86_64 is way out

Nathan Osman

What the heck?

How am I using amdgpu all of a sudden?

Journeyman Geek

00:49

0_0

Nathan Osman

I thought it failed to install...

Fabby

@NathanOsman Apparently, even Nathan is only human and can make mistakes??? :O :O :O

Nathan Osman

But OpenCL doesn't work...

I need to revert to the Radeon driver...

I bet that means all the shaders need to be recompiled...

Fabby

I thought he was a GOD!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Sometimes drivers show up when they aren't even used... ie Noveau when Nvidia is really active.

Fabby

00:51

;-)

Nathan Osman

I'm just a human.

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TheWanderer

you are??

WinEunuuchs2Unix

WE ARE :)

Fabby

@NathanOsman Starred! (That should be converted to a PSA)

:D :D :D

WinEunuuchs2Unix

some with special powers though

Fabby

00:52

@WinEunuuchs2Unix What's your special power then???

WinEunuuchs2Unix

it's not cooking and cleaning.... need to hire someone for that.

Nathan Osman

Wait a minute.

It's a builtin package??!

$ apt list --installed | grep amdgpu

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

libdrm-amdgpu1/zesty,now 2.4.76-1 amd64 [installed]
xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/zesty,now 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 amd64 [installed,automatic]

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix :D

Cooking is easy! Cleaning is easy!

(the former is a joy, the latter a drag...)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Not when you are bash coding and deciphering arrays! Then C & C is a chore.

Fabby

CNC? Computer Numerical Control?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

00:54

Although a C & C expert might call bash coding a chore.

Cooking and Cleaning expert... I've heard they exist.

Fabby

Ah!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

It wouldn't be my chosen profession but I have great admiration for C & C experts.

Fabby

I could say something about that, but I'm going to keep my big mouth shut...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

fringe benefits perhaps?

Nathan Osman

There's a mesa-opencl-icd package!?!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

00:56

So for Tag ALL and Untag ALL could I summarize them using "en masse"? or is my french wrong?

Nathan Osman

Why doesn't anyone tell me these things?

Here's what Canonical needs to focus on: documentation.

TheWanderer

ha

documentation

Nathan Osman

I'm left in the dark trying to find everything and docs are not kept up to date.

TheWanderer

riiiight

Fabby

@NathanOsman It's a built-in package!!!

There!

Nathan Osman

00:57

But it wasn't there before.

Oh, it was!

Wat.

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Correct! (sorry, missed that)

I need a smoke! BRB...

AFK for 5 min

Nathan Osman

$ ./cltest
Platforms:
  0. Clover

I thought my card was Pitcairn?

This just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Fabby

Better to have things you didn't have than to miss things you had...

(I've had a drink too many: getting too philosophical!!!)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Fabby You never clued in when you first came into the room I asked you what the best drink was in Germany :D

ie Your typing gave you away from the start :p

Nathan Osman

01:14

Does anyone know how to specify a specific driver for my GPU?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

On you Dell N5110?

haha just teasing you... the answer is already no :)

Nathan Osman

New plot twist...

I tried adding blacklist amdgpu to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.

...and it still loads the module.

???

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Q: using opensource radeon driver instead of amdgpu

I've HP-15 av125ax laptop which has AMD Carrizo A10 CPU and R7 m360 dGPU. I'm running Ubuntu 16.04. Ubuntu is loading amdgpu driver which is causig a lot of instability (crash on sleep, over heating till thermal shutdown). How do I switch to opensource radeon drivers. Ive tried blacklisting amdgp...

So I'm not completely insane yet.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Yeah I've blacklisted .ko modules before and they still load too shrugs

speaking of which is there a program that tells you when to cold boot your router when it's dns or whatever it's called becomes corrupted?

Nathan Osman

I'll ask it here:

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Q: How to blacklist amdgpu?

I would like to blacklist the amdgpu driver. I opened /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and added the following line: blacklist amdgpu Then I rebooted and ran lsmod | grep amdgpu: $ lsmod | grep amdgpu amdgpu 1564672 23 i2c_algo_bit 16384 1 amdgpu ttm ...

ubuntu kernel-modules

Fabby

01:31

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Asbach Uralt...

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36887226#36887226 @WinEunuuchs2Unix

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Argh. I'm late once again...

Fabby

I need to drive 800Km later today so I need some sleep....

Good night everyone!

Seth

01:48

Very interesting talk by Stack Overflow CEO Joel Spolsky:

Developers Writing the Future by Joel Spolsky (CEO & Co-founder of Stack Overflow)

►

besides the part where he's still butthurt about the election, but otherwise very interesting.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

02:00

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Q: Error in displaying the videos

I have logged into a remote VM using SSH. I am trying to run a bash script (.sh) that would fire up a video. However I am facing difficulties in doing this. I have set up the DISPLAY variable to various values ranging from :0.0 to :0 as per various other answers on SO; however I still face this e...

ubuntu ssh gtk gtk2

Nathan Osman

02:23

Woot woot!

I finally got it working!

Chan-Ho Suh

yo Nathan

Nathan Osman

amdgpu is no more on this machine.

radeon is up and running.

And it boots \o/

Chan-Ho Suh

ヘ( ^o^)ノ＼(^_^ )

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WinEunuuchs2Unix

02:40

Watching Oilers and Sharks anthem singing just now. Why is it Hockey players have to gyrate and twitch while anthems are sung as if it's important to the game to be a gyro-top but whilst the game is being played they have no problem sitting still on the bench other than huffing and puffing catching their breath?

Nathan Osman

My brother has it on the radio.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Tell him to get off the radio because his butt is blocking the speakers and muffling the sound!

oops msread... thought your brother was an announcer "on the radio" sheepish grin

Nathan Osman

02:55

And after all that.

The UE4 editor hard locks the GPU.

I am forced to perform a soft reset.

Is that not a security issue? A userspace app making the GPU puke?

Windows 3.1

hey homies

Nathan Osman

Yo, what's up?

Windows 3.1

upgrading my laptop to zesty :)

one of my laptops *

Nathan Osman

Cool.

I should do the same with my laptop but haven't had the time yet.

Windows 3.1

what do you think about the fact that Ubuntu wants to switch to gnome 3 on 18.04 how do you think that's gonna go?

Nathan Osman

02:59

I don't like it.

I switched to KDE.

It's far more powerful and works better IMHO.

Windows 3.1

D: I hate KDE

Nathan Osman

Wat.

Windows 3.1

every version i tried is too glitchy

Nathan Osman

Have you tried it in the last year?

Windows 3.1

and kickoff sucks, and so does the desktop manager KDM

Nathan Osman

03:00

It has changed an awful lot in the last year.

Windows 3.1

affirmative, yes

Nathan Osman

The last few builds are more stable.

Windows 3.1

i hate basically every version of kde on every os.

Nathan Osman

:(

Windows 3.1

that krash reporting thing,, KEEPS POPPING UP

probably the #1 most succesful app on KDE: the krash reporter

please star that comment!

Nathan Osman

03:01

I did a clean install of Kubuntu 17.04 and it works very well.

Windows 3.1

:P

you dont have the krash reporter pop up every 5 seconds?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Windows3.1 Hey long time no see!

Nathan Osman

No.

Windows 3.1

hello @WinEunuuchs2Unix

WinEunuuchs2Unix

You been busy upgrading to Windows ME?

Nathan Osman

03:03

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman I also have edgy eft installed on an older laptop :)

Nathan Osman

It's quite beautiful.

Windows 3.1

hmpf

you know what? if Ubuntu cared about beauty they'd take a look at Zorin's desktop. its open source...

or even xfce

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@NathanOsman Is kubuntu based on Gnome or Unity?

Windows 3.1

Im on ChaletOS on my desktop right now (my ubuntu is upgrading) and it's pretty decent too

Nathan Osman

03:04

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Kubuntu uses KDE.

Windows 3.1

@WinEunuuchs2Unix its based on KDE

Nathan Osman

KDE is built on the Qt framework.

Unity is (or should I say "was") a Compiz plugin and used GTK+.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman so 17.10 is goign to be artful aadvark?

Nathan Osman

Yes.

Don't know where the "artful" comes from but whatever.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

"was" is a good word :)

Windows 3.1

03:06

dangit

Nathan Osman

There.

Windows 3.1

ah, thanks

whatdya do different?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

beautiful, can I rent it?

Nathan Osman

You just paste the raw URL.

It will automatically onebox the image.

Windows 3.1

ah

thats an xfce thing

Nathan Osman

03:07

Ah. I think you want the "full size image".

Windows 3.1

mk

same size

Nathan Osman

Not for me.

If you click on the first one, it's a small preview.

If you click on the second, it's a full size image.

Windows 3.1

ah ok

I get it

if ubuntu merged with zorin 12 it would become much more popular

Nathan Osman

Just don't suggest Mint :P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Big fish like Canonical don't like to merge with smaller companies... they just buy them.

Windows 3.1

03:10

yeah, i like cinnamon but mint DE sucks

duh, zorin isnt a company

Nathan Osman

If you ever need a lightweight DE that uses very little memory, enlightenment is nice.

Windows 3.1

yeah ok, but zorin DE should be accepted by Ubuntu and possibly become the default, they would become SO popular SO fast,

I'm afraid if they go to gnome 3 zorin will EXPLODE in popularity

Nathan Osman

Isn't Zorin using Gnome?

Windows 3.1

I mean... I think a lot of people will go for gnome 3, and I think a lot of people wont

@NathanOsman it's 3/8 gnome

Nathan Osman

8

A: Which desktop environment does Zorin OS use and how to get for Ubuntu?

Zorin OS use Gnome 3 Desktop Environment with customized themes. To install Gnome 3 use the following command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop Then you need to get the themes from Zorin OS and apply to your Gnome installation. Since Zorin OS uses Ub...

It's just Gnome with a custom theme.

Windows 3.1

03:13

actually not really, as the WM is very modified

Nathan Osman

I'll stick to KDE, thanks.

I can't stand Gnome.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I heard you can get a Windows 10 skin for Ubuntu too?

Nathan Osman

I have a PPA with packages that I've patched by hand just to allow Gnome users to change the volume increment.

Windows 3.1

if it werent for Unity using LightDM it would be as much GNOME as zorin

although zorin's DM is modified too

Nathan Osman

Because the stubborn Gnome devs refuse to accept the patch.

Windows 3.1

03:14

@NathanOsman make me an awesome DE

Chan-Ho Suh

stubborn gnomes, eh

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 Ain't got time fo dat.

Windows 3.1

:(

it might go popular

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@NathanOsman I kind of like 10 volume increments on Ubuntu rather than the 100 increments Sony TV has.... It allows me to turn down volume faster.

Nathan Osman

I'm very busy trying to get my Docker/nginx bridge working.

Windows 3.1

03:15

its about time Linux gets a decent notification center

Windows 10 and RemixOS have it

Nathan Osman

@WinEunuuchs2Unix But the point is that users should be able to choose which they prefer.

Gnome devs were saying "we know best; we're doing it this way".

Windows 3.1

I think both Windows, Mac, and Linux should all learn lessons from RemixOS

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@NathanOsman Good point

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 I gave RemixOS a try and it was nice.

Windows 3.1

@NathanOsman yeah. i dont like that many features dont work but the layout should be looked at very carefully

VERY CAREFULLY

Nathan Osman

03:17

@Windows3.1 Are there features that don't work?

I didn't find any.

Everything I tried worked well.

Windows 3.1

well, glitch out i mean

its tough to get it installed, and most google play apps dont work, and the apps that do dont realize they arent on mobile

Nathan Osman

The EGL => OpenGL translation layer is awesome.

Windows 3.1

but either way::: that layout deserves a close look

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 Really? I never had that problem.

Windows 3.1

uh whatever,

my point is the layout

Nathan Osman

03:19

The layout?

Windows 3.1

zorin 12 gets close to that, we just need that notification center like what win 10 and remixos has

Nathan Osman

It resembles Windows 7, right?

Windows 3.1

no, it resembles windows 10

Nathan Osman

Oh.

Windows 3.1

the notification center and panel

Nathan Osman

03:19

Ah.

Windows 3.1

thats what im saying, now is a CRUCIAL PERIOD for Linux as Ubuntu switches to GNOME. Now's the time to do something awesome if you EVER want to!

if you make a DE like that, you can make a big difference

you have until 2018 :P

Nathan Osman

That's not enough time for one person to create a desktop environment.

Windows 3.1

then get a team together

Nathan Osman

It's far more complicated than it sounds.

Honestly, if I'm content with KDE, why would I do that? :D

Windows 3.1

to make a difference :D as KDE isnt as succesfull as suckers like unity, GNOME, cinnamon, xfce, and MATE

i wonder how far docky could strech for that, i should test it. the worst of it would be the notification center. the menu, any menu will work

Nathan Osman

03:24

LXQt is coming soon.

Windows 3.1

yeah, looks too much like cinnaon

ive allready seen that

*cinnamon

ill probably give it a shot though. people really love those nice think w7/8/10 style panels

Nathan Osman

I suppose they're alright.

Windows 3.1

which are hard to find, the only DE's that have it are ChaletOS 16.04.2, zorinOS, and it can also be attained with Docky

the fact is, people LOVE that. thats what they WANT. the Windows users switching over.

they arent switching from windows vista, they are switching from 7+

and honestly, the closest we've got is zorin or chalet, but they dont have that nice notification center

btw its my favorite style

oh, and Unity gets sort of close too, but unity is dying anyways

Seth

@NathanOsman that looks like KDE

Nathan Osman

@Windows3.1 KDE has that.

That's the beauty of KDE.

It's so flexible.

Windows 3.1

03:29

not by default,

it might have that option

i know KDE 4 had it, it sucked though

KDE 5 may have improved it, i was too busy closing all the error messages to try that out :P lol

or, are you talking about the notification center?

Nathan Osman

I'll get you a screenshot...

Windows 3.1

ok

Nathan Osman

Windows 3.1

that's the new default?

Nathan Osman

Not the default, but easy to add.

Windows 3.1

03:32

thats pretty recent, about 2 months ago i had it and it looked like the MATE panel

ah ok

have you seen zorin's newest panel yet?

it's really getting there

Nathan Osman

No.

Windows 3.1

check it out

Nathan Osman

But I'm sure whatever it is, KDE can be made to look like it :P

Windows 3.1

well check it out ok? it will give you a decent perspective

also there are multiple panels

check them out see which one is best

Nathan Osman

I'll give Zorin a shot sometime. I have a number of virtual machines with different DEs for testing NitroShare.

Windows 3.1

03:34

(Y)

Nathan Osman

Gnome, MATE, Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, etc.

Windows 3.1

honestly, im about to just join zorin 100% because if ubuntu makes a stupid move they are going to skyrocket. only so many people are going to like Mint, and with an award winning website like they have, they are going to do really well

@NathanOsman check out their website zorinos.com it is quite a website!

Seth

03:57

lololol

Seth

04:21

anyone used pandoc before?

Nathan Osman

Nope.

Seth

I can't get it to indent codeblocks in a numbered list properly. The code blocks never follow the indent of the list.

Guess I will be asking a question on their Google group

aha, figured it out. I was thinking like a tab and 4 spaces were the same thing, but it treats them differently.

RobotHumans

04:38

Sublimetext -> convert all tabs to spaces...

Seth

05:20

@NathanOsman xda-developers.com/oneplus-hardware-diagnostic-tests

Nathan Osman

05:46

Interesting.

@Seth did you see this?

Troll level: near perfect.

Jacob Vlijm

06:20

dupe: askubuntu.com/questions/907914/…

Zanna

voted

Jacob Vlijm

Thanks!

Zanna

anytime :D

starwall looking strange

although, what's new?

Jacob Vlijm

06:45

It looks more yellow than usual. It seems I liked a few of them :)

Nathan Osman

06:57

Well, I finally managed to get Ubuntu to use the radeon driver for my video card instead of amdpgu.

I think at least a couple of the messages are related to that.

Zanna

congrats :D

Nathan Osman

Things feel a little bit more stable now but the entire system still crashes when I try to run UnrealEngine on it.

I would file a bug but somehow my kernel is tainted.

Zanna

07:23

@Anwar I agree, better to have the extra line in the output. We could also add sed '/md5sum.txt/d' but everyone hates sed

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Q: MacBook Air wireless card into monitor mode on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

Ive been trying to put my wireless card into monitor mode for the past couple of days. Im on my Macbook Air, dual booting Ubuntu and OS X. I am using the inputs: ifconfig wls3s0 down iwconfig wlp3s0 mode monitor When I put these in the error Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SE...

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Anwar

07:41

good morning

Zanna

good afternoon :)

Anwar

@Zanna A starwall should look strange imo

5

Zanna

agreed haha

Anwar

I thought unix/linux love sed

Zanna

ah yeah, maybe :)

I haven't been spending much time there lately

jokerdino

07:51

askubuntu.com/posts/600585/revisions

Jacob Vlijm

WOW, haven't been able to do some coding for weeks. Finally I have the time again. Feels reaeaeally good :)

Anwar

building vim

Zanna

@jokerdino hmm...

@Anwar why's that?

jokerdino

uhm

Zanna

@JacobVlijm :D

Anwar

07:54

@Zanna I decided to have the experience. But one question triggered this

Zanna

I think I saw such a question

Anwar

I guess you saw the one I'm referring to

Zanna

why is this in the queue? I wish people would leave comments when flagging

Anwar

@jokerdino didn't get you!

Zanna

oh I see

It's in the question

jokerdino

07:58

@Anwar The answer said 'Google the solution'. If you Google it, this answer shows up.

Anwar

oh! good edit reason then :)

Zanna

smart editor

thanks for raising awareness

time to edit all posts that mention Google...

15,875...

Anwar

building for 3rd time

Zanna

tricky?

Anwar

It wasn't loading ruby library. Then I thought it's because I'm using ruby in user-space. But I forgot to switch to system ruby 2nd time. So...

Zanna

08:08

"Dont know the exact problem" - contender for worse question title ever

2

Zanna

08:27

ugh

Rinzwind

08:55

@JacobVlijm you should stop wasting your time with world of warcraft :+

Journeyman Geek

eww WOW ;p

Zanna

?

Rinzwind

@Zanna too difficult? scroll up and see Vlijmy's post :=)

Zanna

Still clueless. Coffee might help, but drugging a tortoise has limited efficacy...

Zanna

09:13

tra la la

Zanna

09:33

no repro

jokerdino

09:55

Everything is normal.

Zanna

speak for yourself

TheWanderer

10:12

y tho

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Q: Desktop Environment tearing

When using the nvidia-381 driver, I see strance tearing in Cinnamon menu, dropdown lists and UI animations, and also desktop aliases disappears. Everything else works fine. If I use the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau driver there is no menu tearing, aliases do not disappear, but no video in VLC and ...

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10:39

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Q: Is chat broken?

Just curious, but immediately after a message I posted this morning in chat, the page refused to load on refresh. Up till now it does not load. Is chat currently off the air or is there something wrong with my account?

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