I don't expect anyone to fork my file manager written in bash... the Launchpad move was just to keep Muru and Thomas happy on an answer no one will read here anyway. Besides I already have an Ask Ubuntu One account so don't have to do any extra work.

I read Github was created by Linus Travoldus (sp?) because he was pissed off Linux was being charged to use the other source code hosting site.

Virtually everything Launchpad does, GitHub does better.

That's a controversial opinion to be sure, but I stand by it.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Linus Torvalds, and he also created git, not github.

Of course github is professional which is why I don't want my trial and error bash code posted there. I want to wait a couple years before setting up a github account.

Git is version control app , you can use it with any other website

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy thanks for clarifications :)

@WinEunuuchs2Unix But that's what gist.github.com is for.

I know I should get the gist of your meaning...haha... but I don't!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix also, once I'm done with this semester and the traffic stuff, I might fork some of your stuff. Haven't played with bash enough lately

I just want to post my > 30KB bash program some place so people can look at it.

It's only half done so it'll be >60KB in the end.

Don't scroll up @ThomasWard~!

why do you think i'm here LOL

I didn't put @ in front of your name :)

you didn't have to

the mere mention of ThomasWard summons me

Oh you have a snooper?

does SmokeDetector count?

ThomaWard . . . .does that work ?

I thought jokerdino wrote that?

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy No but i see what you're trying to do lol

or Journeyman Geek perhaps

mmmmmmmmmmm, i have a huge chocolate chip cookie here i'mma devour

ewww... doesn't go well with beer and cigarettes.

i don't smoke, and I don't like beer.

and bash programming I should add happy dance

drags @WinEunuuchs2Unix into /dev/null

so apparently, Precise dies soon

who else noticed this

haha silly wabbit I"m already in /dev/null and coding my way out!

I heard unity dies soon with no feasible forks.

> I heard unity dies soon

True

> with no feasible forks.

To be seen

Yeah I read today's posts about possibiilities but I say "let dead dogs lie"

I mean

there's still a functional KDE3 fork

I'm going gnome 17.04 next week I think.

trinitydesktop.org

17.04 related bugs are starting to creep into my 16.04 already it seems (maybe I'm paranoid?) so I might as well jump into 17.04 and Gnome DE next week and get it all fixed in that environment.

@JourneymanGeek Why go for a dark horse like Trinity when you have Gnome which is probably a decade old at least?

Unity 8 has forks. I'm more concerned about Unity 7

Who wants to use Unity 8 which is a specification at this stage? You are right Unity 7 is where most retirees want to set up their empty nester home in peace.

If Canonical is investing in Gnome with 18.04 and I've invested 8 months in Canonical it makes sense to install 17.04 Gnome DE next week... then maybe write indicators or something.

I just hope 3 years from now all my Bash code works in Windows and Apple and maybe Android if they come out with a popular DE.

Then there is that Wayland kunudrum Kaz brought up 2 nights ago, I hope they write QT and Gnome interfaces or whatever so programs I call from bash like YAD work ok.

Hopefully there are lots of bright programmers out there to make it all happen.

Intel, IBM, Dell, etc. wherever they get their pay check and volunteer for free making open source.

I still haven't wrapped my mind around the whole open source free software business concept yet but I use the fruits of their endeavors every day.

oh hi @ThomasWard

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yad won't work any differently on Wayland than X.

It's done on the WM level, not the display server.

very very few applications actually run on the display server level

@KazWolfe I read Wayland was working on coding for Qtk (sp?) and also read that yad uses Qtk interface for it's GUI.

Gtk? Gnome Took Kit?

sorry I'm acronym challenged some days.

Still, yad does not write to the X server directly. So there will be zero difference between X and wayland calls.

On a side note I hope Wayland gets Bash for Windows working perfectly so we can turn Micro$oft into a great free open source platform.

That's not happening.

@NathanOsman are you around thy Linux Command Line God?

@TheXed Welcome to NathanOsman's office. He's not in, so I'll be his receptionist now. How can I help ?

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy lol...

Trying to update my server via the web interface...but it keeps giving me a permission error..

@TheXed oops, not familiar with that. What sort of error though ?

Also. . .. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I only have one week before exam, and then it's finals exams. I'm so boned.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy April 24th to 28th is international Administrative Assistants week so make sure Nathan buys you flowers and chocolates.

@NathanOsman cc ^

lol

@TheXed put sudo in front of your command to make "permissions error" go away... or wave a hundred dollar bill if that fails :p

Looks like it's missing something . . . .*insert the <no sh!7, Sherlock> joke here*

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy (aka @NathanOsman professional assistant)

Is there a reason to not include sudo in any command?

@NathanOsman So rather than tagging an array of "/long/directory/name/to/my/files/long file name with spaces and perhaps a .extension" could I have an array of double word integers that are inode numbers?

@Provided sudo was a joke I have no idea what Xed was talking about.

:)

@Provided sudo should be used with brains. Without brains, boo boo happens and then people come here crying

True Dat

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy thanks for the insight lol...

So basically "regular user shoot myself in the foot"="sudo shoot myself in the head" :)

No, it's more like this:

@WinEunuuchs2Unix until you make new errors with permissions.

@TheXed: Web interface. THERE'S YER PROBLEM!

also /app .... whut?

Is /app the new /opt?

:P

@JourneymanGeek I don't see any way to do it via the command line...

1) work out what user runs 'chevreto'

ssh in and give them ownership of whatever part of /app they need to write to...

@JourneymanGeek you make that sound easy

anyone heard of chatsim.com? Looks interesting.

that seems interesting

odd concept.

@KazWolfe but understandable. When things like WhatsApp, Telegram, and Signal all require a phone number to use. I like the idea.

It has terrible Amazon reviews though. Seems like it wasn't done right.

/app is often used for single-purpose servers. I always see things like that in Docker images.

yeah, they block things like images, even on receive

In other news I'm about 12 days away from getting my onyx guardian in Ingress.

I just hope no one is waiting until it's 1 day to take the portal down..

@Seth [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [BLOCKED BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTED AT A MOD] [REDACTED]

wth

[REDACTED] smurfs, always spoofing into antartica.

heh

at least enlightened plays by the goddamn rules and isn't favored in the game of calvinball.

we all know the ingress concept is a one-sided story with the enlightened being the enemy.

@Seth you don't actually need the same phone number as the phone for whatsapp.

@Seth WAIT WAT.

Even my best attempt only got me to 71 days.

(still salty my bgan-only portal was nuked by a spoofer. seriously, res agents can all [redacted])

also, something like that needs to be set for data I think. You can't pick a sim specifically for some apps right?

@KazWolfe Spoofing is not smurf specific. Actually I can say the resistance around here are pretty rule abiding. They don't always say nice things about toads but they don't break the rules.

Actually the Puget Sound region is CRAZY organized wrt Ingress.

We have a fairly large Resistance group here as you would expect for a large city.

@NathanOsman Crazy thing is: This is a portal at my college.

@Seth tons of geeks? ;p

@Seth O_O

But it's in the woods on a trail and, even though it's less than a 10 minute walk, no one EVER goes out there.

brb purchasing a plane ticket.

It's right on the edge of the in game map for most of the campus so you can't even see it sometimes (although you can usually see a bit of XM on the edge of it)

If you keep it level 1 or 2, it won't show on maps until you zoom all the way in.

@NathanOsman ooh I didn't know that. it's level 4 right now.

@KazWolfe hate me that much eh?

@NathanOsman false.

It's a trade-off between hiding it and defending it.

all portals show now at a zoom level.

@KazWolfe Not the in-game map, the online map.

@JourneymanGeek Not even.

it's links that matter for zoom level now on intel.

They changed it?

they changed this over a year ago.

That's not very nice.

I know this and I don't even actively play Ingress anymore because reasons (that are not res -- tldr my own team alienated me).

@KazWolfe I haven't been very active lately.

@NathanOsman I can coordinate with players from Puyallup to Bellingham. Look at that on a map. It's insane.

Mostly just hoarding stuff in my MUFG capsule >:)

I've got nearly 50 ADA refactors and JARVIS viruses.

google.com/maps/dir/Bellingham,+Washington/Puyallup,+WA/…

seriously. for a game usually played by a bunch of antisocial nerds, they really hate it when teammates are antisocial.

@KazWolfe you're allowed to switch -- once ;)

You have to put in a request to switch.

@Seth res hate me even more, if that's possible.

I am not liked in the world of ingress.

You're doing it wrong.

I used to have a lot of EN friends. They were polite and we'd help each other.

I can't imagine why.. Well, I can, but that would involve rude behavior or cheating.

I only ever met one RE player in person.

@NathanOsman One of my classmates was a toad, even.

Some random dude walking his dog in the park.

One of my favorite things to do was play on the way home on the train. The train is above-grade most of the time and the stations are spaced in such a way that you can pick up XM and grab stuff for the first 20 seconds or so once it accelerates.

I never understood Ingress..

Then you wait at the station, the speed timer resets, and you do it again :D

no speed lockouts?

@TheXed you make triangles

of course there was never enough places of interest around to make it fun..

Ahhh, nice.

@NathanOsman It doesn't reset.

@KazWolfe Basically this.

I could recharge about 400K of XM a week that way.

@KazWolfe What do you mean it doesn't reset?

@KazWolfe when you say "not a chance" you probably don't know what I"m referring to. When googling bash for windows bugs I came across references to X-Windows and I'm hoping the Wayland group addresses this during their conversion project.

@KazWolfe triangles?

@Seth That's what I meant by "speed timer".

To explain curtly, imagine a bubble expanding at 35 or so mph, starting from your first action. As long as you are within the bubble, no speedlock.

it expires after a period of hours, not minutes.

@KazWolfe Uh. Not when I played.

If you were moving, it took about 30-40 seconds after you stopped before you could hack again.

@NathanOsman it depends on the speed and distance you traveled.

30 minutes, but that's not a reset in your case, it's the 35mph geofence catching up to you.

e.g. if you fly it can take ~12-24 hours, depending on how far you went.

plus perception of how fast time is moving... today was a slow day

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy by the way thanks for returning somewhat normal whether to us...

@KazWolfe Ah, the train probably averages 40-45 km/hr. so it was just catching up to me :P

@KazWolfe That's weird, the flying portion directly contradicts what I've been told by experienced players.

See? Nobody really knows, lol.

The tornado warnings have ceased with winter...so far..

For a game I don't play anymore and I actually hate now because of very bad memories, I've sunk too much of my life into learning every technical detail of it.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy in Colorado now controls the weather in Illinois @TheXed?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix no, but one day a few months back...

the Winter was fairly mild...

@TheXed Pfft everyone got good weather today because San Jose Sharks beat Edmonton Oilers last night and my five dollars is seems safe now :)

seriously. if i knew how my ingress career would end up, i would have never even installed this stupid app.

then @SergiyKolodyazhnyy mentioned snow, and after that point, the weather went to hell in a hand basket...one day there would be a blizzard, the next tornados...so I blamed it all on @SergiyKolodyazhnyy

You're definitely doing it wrong.

Ingress is like 20 years ago....

3.5 maybe?

@NathanOsman Well, provided I've been exiled from my own team...

@NathanOsman that's definitely possible, but we also don't know the community where he plays.

Isn't Ingress like an RDMS from the 80's?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix lol

Ingres Database (/ɪŋˈɡrɛs/ ing-gress) is a commercially supported, open-source SQL relational database management system intended to support large commercial and government applications. Ingres Database is fully open source with a global community of contributors. However, Actian Corporation controls the development of Ingres and makes certified binaries available for download, as well as providing worldwide support.

I have over 1,000 keys in my inventory and even more in capsules.

I really, really need to cut down.

Ingres began as a research project at the University of California, Berkeley, starting in the early 1970s and ending in 1985.[2] The original code, like that from other projects at Berkeley, was available at minimal cost under a version of the BSD license. Ingres spawned a number of commercial database applications, including Sybase, Microsoft SQL Server, NonStop SQL and a number of others. Postgres (Post Ingres), a project which started in the mid-1980s,

But man. The links I can throw :P

Considering inventory caps at 2000, yes. You do :P

44 keys.

^^ from Wikipedia

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Wrong Ingress...

Jullian Assange is always RIGHT

@Seth I constantly run out of room.

Julian*

Thanks @Seth 5 beers :(

@Seth Funnily enough, they're decent people for the most part.

They just really don't like me.

5 bears, or 5 beers?

@KazWolfe see my community has been mostly supportive, even though I don't go to events with them or hang out and really only play at the school/random places I go.

Meanwhile they're up till 3AM or whatever..

@Seth Well lucky you.

But they're still nice to me and help me out whenever they can. I even had multiple people offer to give me an MUFG the other day..

@KazWolfe I guess so.

Anyway before people create a new package like "Ingress" they should google the name first so old people like me who WERE ALIVE IN THE 80'S heard about Ingress Relational Database Management System and don't use that name again in 20 teens.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix If people did that no names would be left :P

Really? I could create a new name off the cuff.... Seth4U

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Used.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix yes you could

Ugh. MySpace. That's still a thing?

Seth4U may be used but KazLovesWolves isn't

@Seth They rebranded it :P

Yeah MySpace is still around

and what would that program do?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix One too many I think, friend :P

@WinEunuuchs2Unix "ingress" itself is a word meaning "to enter in".

Well I never googled "Seth4U" but I should google "bafman" my new bash script name before I stick my foot in my mouth.

@NathanOsman It's all greek to me

"egress" is the opposite, meaning "to exit or leave".

to egress is kind of important if your house is on fire!

@NathanOsman "red pill" of sorts in the game's sense.

"My dear, this present conflagration suggests we might consider egress from the residence."

Hmm... I googled "bafman" my new "Born Again File MANager" and all it came up with is 3rd rate spoofs of batman comedians. I think I'm safe.

new userscript idea: block all text that contains "ingress"

@KazWolfe But it's a valid word outside the context of the game.

don't care.

Lol.

Good one Google:

It's not Ingress: In wikipedia: In 1973 when the System R project was getting started at IBM, the research team released a series of papers describing the system they were building. Two scientists at Berkeley, Michael Stonebraker and Eugene Wong, became interested in the concept after reading the papers, and started a relational database research project of their own, named University INGRES.

@TheXed You are not using Chrome?

Been using Vivaldi...

Ah.

Speaking of IBM did you know they invented the hard drive?

@TheXed Isn't that based on Opera, which is based on Chromium?

@TheWanderer you ask me what I do not know...

My Sony TV has Opera.... didn't know it was based on Chrome / Chromium.

vivaldi is a chromium fork by ex-opera devs

@WinEunuuchs2Unix there's two operas

embedded is often prestu based.

haha browsing the web with a TV remote is NOT fun

@JourneymanGeek My Sony TV runs Android OS, so it might be the Opera Web Browser you were thinking of.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix it is a pain in the arse...

ahh, then its probably chrome based.

I should ask @ParanoidPanda if my Sony TV with Android OS is secretly spying on me.

Although I don't think he's paranoid enough some times....

@WinEunuuchs2Unix you don't need @ParanoidPanda, we already know that it is..

I have a hard enough time learning how my Android cell phone uses Stack Exchange.... when would I find time to figure out intricacies of my Sony Android TV????

@TheXed Pffft Julian* Assange said it's Samsung TV's that spy on us.

hm... i have 200 R5s and R7s that are going to waste... As much as I hate to, I might have to give them to my old team.

It isn't the TV persay...it is Andriod...and IOS, and Windows....and Ubuntu...

Then use Arch.

lol

dumb TV + whatever hardware you want ;p

@WinEunuuchs2Unix go ahead and try installing Arch on your TV, let me know how it goes...

Personally I so used to being spied on I forget I'm being spied on.... it disturbed me greatly in 1999 but after 2000 I slowly adjusted to the fact, then kind of forgot it

@TheXed If a printer can run Arch, a TV can run Arch.

@NathanOsman sure, it might have the specs, but doesn't mean it can actually be installed.

@TheXed I could simply utilize a TV with no OS.

Why not?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Just buy a large monitor and a TV tuner.

You end up with practically the same thing.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix that is what I do...but I have a Amazon Dot, which is always listening...

and it is hidden on the back of a book shelf so I don't even have to see the little spy...that b@SLKDF

@NathanOsman I already have a < computer OS TV and a laptop I don't use as well I can plug into it.

@TheXed I don't know Amazon Dot or Kindle, but I know all cell phones can be triggered via software to listen and cap pics.

@TheXed What I really hate from your industry is High School principals giving free laptops to boys and spying on their private lives in their bedrooms. That's disgusting!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix and they have no clue!

The whole world heard about this 5+ years ago and I just read on Russia Today it's still happening in USA.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I know it is...I am on the inside...

Why hasn't there been a public outcry against this?

as much as I hate it...

Yeah I know you are on the inside and I don't blame you personally.

I just wonder how Americans can put up with such mulilation of males.

But if an LGBT was denied a washroom there is an outcry.

It's silly

I should type this on the internet and @TheRealDonaldTrump it.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix...you know what I should do...

@WinEunuuchs2Unix that is obscenely rare.

I should use a VPN to "look like I connected from Russia" and out the privacy issues with Chromebooks, and "hack" our webpage and post it on the landing page...

Yeah keep your mouth shut, keep your job and keep buying stuff for your kids and asking your wife for a focal lense for your cmaera.

and was more of an accidental fluke as opposed to intent.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I like my idea better...

@TheXed you should never do anything to jeopardize the standard of living your family is accustomed too. That is the job for other people.

But I am not going to do it...

EXACTLY!

Let people like me who have already lost everything step on the soap box.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix although they can't retaliate against whistle blowers...or at least that is what Snowden thought...

Snoweden was lucky he was in Russia when USA revoked his passport.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix they need to poop too

Bradley / Chelsea Manly wasn't so lucky.

Assange is in a pickle.

I'm happy to say I was on front edge of breaking Snowden story before US president and congress knew about him and did a little net tinkering on the story :)

It was like 4am here in Edmonton and by chance I was awake before CNN editors who control media were awake.

Kind of exhilirating.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix and yet you couldn't save him...

Snowden is alive and well.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix living with the enemies though....

or at least what we have been taught to perceive as the enemies...

As in the novel 1984 you have a "Ministry of Truth" controlled by the Deep-State so real truth isn't allowed, only the propaganda regurgitated via your 24/7 news cycle.

@TheXed I've been forced to be adept at ignoring my enemies, they are every where.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix well as they say, keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer...

Doesn't matter come hell or high-water eventually everyone will know the truth... that's why arcnet (aka internet) was invented.

You can't pick and choose your enemies.

so you don't choose to keep the enemies close... they are always next to you and you have no friends.

well maybe you have some internet friends and a fan base that denies they know you exist :)

All Snowden did was release proof the government was spying on us with flowcharts scraped off their servers. Most of us already read 1984 and Brave New World and new it was fore ordained to happen.

I have a friend in you....or however that song goes...

That song sounds vaguely familiar.

dammit...it isn't a song...I just ruined my number 1 greatest hit...

Oh well "Me and Bobby McGee" might be a good fit.... or perhaps "Babe, I got you babe".... plus there is "When she lets her hair hang down" plus Sunny and Cher "cause you're having my baby".... lots of songs like that.

Thing is the deep-state releases songs like that to give you "hope" like the bible (which they've studied) give's you hope of heaven and suffering through servitude. Now they are giving you Marijuana... all to keep you distracted and doing something meaningful.

Because they know they've gone past the point of being useless as usual but now are destructive and don't want you to know.

I have never had Marijuana...so I don't know what that is about...

It's just another drug no different than ridilan, oxy-con, valum and other mind altering drugs I presume, but I haven't read any studies.

Of course the truth is out there somewhere but Al-Jazeera and Russia Today the two TV stations I watch don't report on it.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix haven't had any of those either, haven't had any illicit or legal drugs really other then your common house hold pain killers/ allergy medicines...

@TheXed blame it on the bug in my weather controller script

Yeah I gobble a couple of aspirin every other month myself.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy sure...

so I've been having fun with ternaries....

Wait till summer, it'll be even buggier. All puns intended

activity.setTheme(activity == new MainActivity() ? Dark ? R.style.DARK_NoAppBar : R.style.AppTheme_NoActionBar : Dark ? R.style.DARK : R.style.AppTheme);

shower time...biab

lol, somebody stop Zach. He'll write everything in ternaries

I hate ternaries.

I LOVE TERNARIES

Ternaries are fine in moderation. If it gets over 3 nested ternary statements, the code is unreadable and unreasonable

I don't even know what a ternary is...

but it sounds like a turd to me.

TERNARY ALL THE THINGS

turdary

@TheXed That is like if else statement but in this form: variable ? default : alternative

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy so condensed?

yehs

/bans Zach

pls

@TheXed basically yes, but they can be nested. Which is when code becomes unreadable

if (x == y) { something(); } else { somethingElse(); } gets turned into x == y ? something() : somethingElse();

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy isn't code unreadable anyways?

lol

I only program in binary

@TheXed depends on language. Python is very readable

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy yes I agree, I was being sarcastic...

I have successfully obtained a TLS certificate from Let's Encrypt using Go: gist.github.com/nathan-osman/cb501a32a8727f922852388cc622c2a6

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Python may be readable but I have bad memories of Enhance IO and how I had to compile Python before it could be run in GRUB init-top... I think C is the language of choice for Linux (sorry).

Hmm..this makes no sense, I can get a multi-memory card reader, fan controller, and CPU temp monitor/with screen USB 3.0 that fits in a 5.25 bay for 13 dollars, but a card reader, with 4 USB ports (2.0) for 50...

@WinEunuuchs2Unix C is probably the most portable programming language.

@NathanOsman Thanks as a Go supporter that is generous for you to say.

all I want is something I can't put my SD card in, and not use another USB drive on the front of my computer...

Go isn't really intended to replace C for embedded or system-level programming.

@NathanOsman Yes Go I would classify as a "niche language" kind of like Fortran, RPG or Mark IV I took in college, out of those three only RPG I used after college.

all kinds of 3.5 inch ones...but I don't have a 3.5 inch bay..

I guess I could get a converter...

I hear you @TheXed my laptop only has two 2.5" bays plus an mSata 1/2 height SSD bay. Grrrr I hate typos

Ummm plus optical drive bay in caddy format you can swap out for HDD/SSD I think it's 2.5" format but not sure.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix and how many years ago was that ?

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy It was in 2014 I had to use a Python Compiler.

It's an interpretive language which can't run in GRUB until it's complied.