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18:00
You can't.
@rlemon yeah, check the modification time.
Extended renderer info (GLX_MESA_query_renderer):
    Vendor: X.Org (0x1002)
    Device: AMD PITCAIRN (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.0-13-generic, LLVM 4.0.0) (0x6810)
    Version: 17.0.2
    Accelerated: yes
    Video memory: 2048MB
    Unified memory: no
    Preferred profile: core (0x1)
    Max core profile version: 4.5
    Max compat profile version: 3.0
    Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1
    Max GLES[23] profile version: 3.1
So, it doesn't look like amdgpu is in use.
Argh.
@NathanOsman January 20th 😞
@NathanOsman How did you get it to work the last time?
@rlemon Do you know it was working after that time?
yup
18:01
@RolandiXor Just ran the installer from AMD.
this is my main development machine
But it won't work in 17.04 because kernel 4.10.
another blue flag in a foreign language :P
@rlemon That is extremely odd.
@Rinzwind Happens on occasion.
@Rinzwind Japanese in Russian room
18:02
@NathanOsman 3rd time today
That's why I stopped using AMD products - their driver support is abysmal and always far behind.
@NathanOsman also my other desktop, also my laptop, also a touch pc that was just loaded with Ubuntu days before -- I had only updated it, installed postgres, and nodejs
😞 I'm really at a loss for what I could be doing to these poor pcs
current theory: someone is trying to prank me and succeeding
@rlemon sounds like it.
next update change the permissions to 000 and wait for something to error out >:)
Unlikely for the same "bug" to happen on 4 systems in a couple days ;)
18:03
bleps and accidentally drops a massive container of whipped cream on @Rinzwind
@rlemon you did change your password?
oopsies.
that's why I'm not ruling out something I'm doing.
@Rinzwind all the pc's have different passwords
@rlemon a w c and p?
if that's a joke it's over my head. sorry.
18:04
those are the passwords? >:)
ahh. 😀 no, I'm not that insecure
oh so they are two character passwords?
:>
lol
@RolandiXor twice as secure as 1 letter passwords
RolandiXor nahh, they increase as I go along. "12", "123", "1234", ...
18:05
@Rinzwind hahaha
@rlemon xD
Uncrackable!
@RolandiXor cool new pic
oh that will put any hacker off :D
they never expect random lengths
I should make my passphrase "totally not a hacker" just to throw them off
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy thanks ;)
@rlemon my password is "DONOTCRACK!"
@rlemon "Totally not from the NSA" is the best passphrase lol
18:07
but in all seriousness... getting this error so many times makes me uncomfortable to the point where I'm considering using Windows. I'm pretty desperate :P
sorry i came in late, what error?
13 mins ago, by rlemon
somethings out to get me it seems. 4 different pc's in a week have 'broken' somehow and I'm at a loss to figure out what I've done to them. sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set on all four. I've read the post on how to fix it, that's not the problem. I'm more concerned now because it isn't just random chance, I have to be doing something for this to happen to multiple machines with such frequency. does anyone have any idea where I can start looking?
@ThomasWard sudo has to be guid 0 error
@rlemon don't go full retard!
18:08
@RolandiXor 😛 I didn't say mac
I said Windows :D
oops uid!
someone want to do an ls -alhF $(which sudo) please?
@rlemon retract that statement or we will ignore you
18:08
Sure.
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 138K jan 14 00:41 /usr/bin/sudo*
nathan@nathan-desktop:~$ ls -alhF $(which sudo)
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 138K Jan 13 15:41 /usr/bin/sudo*
yea something changed mine to rlemon:root :(
oh same minute @NathanOsman
@rlemon reboot into a root shell (init=/bin/bash at the end of your GRUB line for one boot), change the ownership, reboot.
18:09
17.04. Installed this weekend btw
Installed last night :P
@ThomasWard yup, I can fix it. just trying to track down why it's happening
@rlemon you did that yourself from something that needed sudo
4 times on 4 pc's in a week is too much to think it is a coincidence
@Rinzwind yea, but what :/
@rlemon using any scripts to maintain things?
or to autoinstall/configure things?
18:10
@rlemon scripts. :=)
the only thing I can think of is my node install script.
@rlemon link to your script please, I'm happy to help audit.
hrm... maybe I'll go poke around that a bit and see if I've made any mistakes
my guess is it's the script.
For a one time fee of VIRTUAL COFFEE :P
@rlemon install inotify and have it watch changes to the file
18:11
(brb 2 minutes, coffee ten feet away, and I need it)
adict!
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy please, what is good location to save your config files for your programs? :)
@tomsk what is the nature of these programs and config files?
if per user I would use ./config/{softwarename}/{configfile}
@tomsk what programs specifically ? Usually my indicators save all configs to user's home directory in .json format
@Rinzwind im developing LLI like Sergiy did, but for KDE desktop
18:12
But yeah, better way is to use ~/.config like rinz said
@tomsk If it's a system program running at boot, probably in /etc/progname/confs, if per user, ~/.config/progname/conffile`
@tomsk aha. does KDE have a ./config? :D
yes does
@Rinzwind Yes it does
so does Lubuntu, XFCE, ...
So apparently you can't use amdgpu on 17.04 yet.
@Seth prepare for an influx of AMD questions when 17.04 is released...
18:13
sneaky smile . . . LLI will also have "rebirth" somewhere else,too . . .
I've plans to create something . . .similar . . .somewhere else
@tomsk what Thomas said for global I agree on too.
im gonna use json format too.. but i dont know here to save it.. because there can be conflicts with another config files
@ThomasWard github.com/nodesource/distributions/blob/master/deb/setup_6.x some machines use the 7 version. I've diffed mine to make sure all I've changed is some echo's and that's it.
18:14
@rlemon LOOOL
@TheXed ih
@RolandiXor OI!
[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 674292 on askubuntu.com
damn that was quick @SmokeDetector :D
you're welcome.
18:16
@tomsk which language you're using ?
I flagged all 4 so I was faster
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy PyQt
tomsk not need to use the @ if you know they are looking at chat ;-)
@Rinzwind just in case :)
I have sound off anyways :-D
18:18
@SmokeDetector spam or just an eager user?
@Rinzwind nah :( :D
Ill be back \o/ need food
@SmokeDetector I don't see any!
@tomsk Ok, so you probably should use os.mkdir function to create ~/.config/myapp/ and then put .json file there
@tomsk Ok, so you probably should use os.mkdir function to create ~/.config/myapp/ and then put .json file there
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy i know how to create file, but i dont want to make conflicts :D maybe config file like org.tomsk.myapp
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy it is solution too
18:27
@tomsk do you have a github repository yet ?
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy i have lot of private repositories in bitbucket.. but these open source projects will be on github.. and yes i have, i sent it to you a few months ago :D but they are outdated :D i have to push my local commits :) but for LLI-KDE i dont have yet
@tomsk ok, let me know when you set it up. I'd be glad to contribute when i have time
Darn. I broke X already.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy okey :) if it will be done, i may go for LLI-GNOME :) (or is your LLI GNOME compatible?)
Halp. Can't start X now...
18:34
smartx
coughs
@Anwar Orbital lasers are fun aren't they
there's no record that they struck either ;)
You mods can see it still i guess
where do you think the person's posts went ;)
deleted of course
got my answer! thanks all. my npm config prefix was set to /usr -- which when I tried to fix permissions I was just calling that, and assuming it was correct. so I did screw myself over.
so yea... how should I go about fixing myself when I changed ownership of /usr/* to <currentUser> root
18:41
@tomsk it's not. It can be made compatible easily, though, although there's never been high demand for it
Wa... how did X get removed?!?
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy in 18.04 there will be :)
That would explain things
@NathanOsman You clicked "remove"
:)
Must have been when I tried to clean up after amdgpu.
Anyway, it works now.
\o/
18:56
@tomsk problem with GNOME is that workspaces work differently from Unity, so I think I will have to make a fork and develop it separately
@ThomasWard I'm not sure I fully understand your comment?
@tomsk it also had unity-specific features. So I'll have to get rid of those
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy yes.. :)
So, who else is excited for LLI GNOME fork ?
consider this an official announcement
dammit
what's LLI?
19:01
@Anwar launcher list indicator.
Isn't it pretty?
anybody want to provide link to omgubuntu article ? I'm on phone
@NathanOsman qt builder and dolphin. Nice
Isn't KDE/Plasma beautiful?
19:03
@NathanOsman not that link, to LLI
Yes, it is
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Oh, sorry :P
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy do it
Huh? What happened to the starwall?
I get the impression there is something missing...
looks fine here
19:09
I forgot the chat isn't dark themed by default
@ByteCommander I ate it.
Page just needed a reload... Probably the network was making problems while it was loading
@RolandiXor how did it taste?
@ByteCommander starry.
what a surprise
19:31
@rlemon Did you try my script?
link?
It adds "this user is typing" to the bottom of the page and shows you where everyone has read.
@rlemon nice!
@NathanOsman neat, I'll give it a whirl once I've fixed up my pcs
so far one is backed up and reloaded. 3 more to go
mine was designed for chat.so. and imo looks way better there than it does on rooms which customised their css.
19:35
Also, I'm subscribed to that unity8 fork on github. Messages keep coming whole morning. Folks, I believe Unity 8 will live on
*if anyone installs it and wonders why it isn't looking like the pic
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy They're moving it to Wayland.
@NathanOsman sweet!!!!!!
Finally, common sense lives on!
I for one am glad to see everything move to Wayland.
It was the only logical choice.
19:38
No more NIH and fragmentation on that front.
Yup. The HD-DVD and Blu-ray war is over.
Truthfully, the rest of the community did the same to Canonical with some things, but in this case it was Canonical at fault.
@NathanOsman KDE Neon is going to wayland too :)
@tomsk Yup, and we're looking forward to that.
Guess what?
Bluetooth A2DP works out of the box on Kubuntu.
@NathanOsman yea, im using KDE Neon, but with X server for now :)
19:40
Same.
And I only had to change one thing in alsamixer for 5.1 audio.
(Usually the process is more complex.)
:)
i really like that KDE Neon is "light".. "clean" KDE, without other apps, if i want something i just install it :) and i dont have apps which i dont use :)
And unlike Gnome, they recognize that many users will want to customize settings.
So they offer a ton of options.
(Standard Ubuntu won't even let you change the name of your Bluetooth device.)
yea :) for example my KDE Neon looks like Unity :D because i like Unity layout, but if i want i can make Gnome look, or cinnamon look, or Mate look, or xfce look etc... :D
is omgubuntu down or is it just my crappy connection
@GeorgetheDev is omgubuntu.co.uk down?
Oh, he's not in the room.
19:50
@NathanOsman omgubuntu.co.uk seems to be down
There we go.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy there's your answer ---^
My school is using this new service for weekend leave
And I'm pretty sure the company is paying for fake reviews on the Play Store
@TheWanderer Fake reviews are stupid.
The app is complete garbage
I tend to ignore reviews that don't go into explicit detail on how the app works.
19:52
Reach Boarding is stupid
Bottom line: if the user can't tell what app the review is for based only on the content of the review, it's a useless review.
It's basically a wrapper for the website, which is also glitchy
@NathanOsman so they didn't have good enough load balancer after all
Wrapper apps are annoying.
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Are they using CloudFlare?
19:53
The website has such fancy animations, but the UI didn't match
@NathanOsman not that I know
Could also be that they borked something.
could be, butbi think it's because of the traffic
whozis
19:54
I hate mailing lists.
Not joining that.
Why can't people use modern tools?
Let IRC die.
Let mailing lists die.
@TheWanderer ur mom
Good grief it's 2017!
hang on, gotta get off the internet for a sec to use the phone @RolandiXor
@RolandiXor Yup.
The final MP3 patents finally die this year.
19:56
@RolandiXor it's 2017 and we have Trump in the US
@TheWanderer Make 2017 great again... or something...
@NathanOsman sweet!
@TheWanderer I'm not from that planet.
So thankful.
Yes, it's sweet but... the MP3 revolution ended a decade ago.
OGG for the win.
19:57
@NathanOsman huh?
@TheWanderer MP3 contains patented technology.
Some of the patents have expired already.
Some expire this year.
Then we can finally package it with a clean conscience :D
At least it seems everyone learned their lesson. VP9 is free.
Software should always be free at the code level. At some point, you're going to die.
You can still make money off free software (Nextcloud anyone?)
20:00
VP9 is an open and royalty free video coding format developed by Google. VP9 is a successor to VP8 and competes with MPEG's High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC/H.265). At first, VP9 was mainly used on Google's popular video platform YouTube. The emergence of the Alliance for Open Media, and its support for the ongoing development of the successor AV1, led to growing interest in the format. In contrast to HEVC, VP9 support is common among web browsers (see HTML5 video § Browser support). The combination of VP9 video and Opus audio in the WebM container, as served by YouTube, is supported by roughly...
Competitor to H.265.
oh
Google
ofc
Hmm... games are not working in Steam...
One thing people don't realize is that people will gladly support you if you do a good job. Just... just... DON'T go "my way or the highway" (Gnome, elementary, Ubuntu, etc... I'm looking SQUARELY ZOMGPONIES... at you!!!)
Doesn't WebP use VP8?
20:01
> "As a derivative of the VP8 video format, it is a sister project to the WebM multimedia container format."
Ah, so my memory still works.
Good to know.
:P
Kingston?
Or Corsair?
Corsair.
But anyway... :P
Just run memtest86+ on your brain
Hahaaaa
@KazWolfe That would be too discouraging.
20:02
@NathanOsman you seem to know a lot. when will h.264 patents expire?
My brain is non-ECC.
@RolandiXor I have a perfect example of that that isn't Ubuntu
well not perfect exactly
My manufacturer is THE-BIG-GUY
@NathanOsman No, all brains are ECC. They just use heuristics to fill in the errors, and those heuristics aren't exactly great.
@William 2027. (No seriously)
20:03
In my life time yeah!! source?
For example, "dream" mode sequences might become long-term memories. Though that may be a bug.
@William Nathan said it. Who are you to question?
lol
> "The last expiration is US 7826532 on 29 nov 2027 ( note that 7835443 is divisional, but the automated program missed that)."
@RolandiXor I apologize if the all mighty nathan says it it must be right.
20:04
C'mon you guys :P
Lol I'm pulling your leg :D
I'm just copy-and-pasting Wikipedia sources.
I think you are amazing, personally.
Thanks but I am only human.
(Lol, "humand" - there's a subtle humor to that.)
I'm only hu....man! Flesh and blood, I'm re...aaaal!
20:05
(A new systemd program is born - humand :P)
Oh Lawd.
NO.
@GeorgetheDev When is your next video coming out? I'm getting bored with Markiplier.
Also no.
Don't give him any ideas!
@KazWolfe I need suggestions for what to make.
20:05
Part 2?
I meant the systemd guy btw
@KazWolfe That's at least a few months off so I need ideas for the meantime.
@NathanOsman explosives.
xD
(Don't ask me, I'm deadly)
@RolandiXor already done.
@NathanOsman george plays portal?
You could do a letsplay parody
20:06
Lol.
Fancy pyrotechnics, eh?
> The last of these patents expires in April of 2017. (for mp3)
@William I thought there was one more towards the end of the year...
But anyway, it's this year for sure.
@NathanOsman, MST 3000 parody
20:08
Whelp! Now we know how the world will end.
@GeorgetheDev attempts to outdo his first fire.
Trump responds.
We all die.
(Except me, of course).
Except the lucky few on the ISS.
(I was never here }:>)
And that one guy we never heard about that built his own spaceship to Mars.
Oh that?
I shot it down on approach.
Keep Mars Great - RolandiXor 2020.
No need to kick the immigrants out if they never make it in :>
P.S. you can find more of this craziness in my new book "How to silence any chat room in 20 seconds or less"
@RolandiXor Nope, it'll happen with GNOME 4 release
@RolandiXor #politics_break_everything
20:15
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy LOL
gnome 4: made by Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un himself.
GNOME 4:
- No close button.
- No top panel.
- No wallpaper.
- No settings.
- Just a big dialog saying "SUBMIT, PEASANT." and a button saying "OK."
3
@KazWolfe fun fact: NK has it's own Linux distro,too, no joke
Yup. Seen a screenshot once.
Red Star OS (Chosŏn'gŭl: 붉은별; MR: Pulgŭnbyŏl) is a North Korean Linux operating system. Development started in 1998 at the Korea Computer Center (KCC). Prior to its release, computers in North Korea typically used Ubuntu. Version 3.0 was released in the summer of 2013, but as of 2014 version 1.0 continues to be more widely used. It is only offered in a Korean language edition, localized with North Korean terminology and spelling. == Specifications == Red Star OS features a modified Mozilla Firefox browser titled Naenara used for browsing the Naenara web portal on the North Korean internet network...
> Prior to its release, computers in North Korea typically used Ubuntu.[1]
Even NK loves Ubuntu
20:27
*loved
@RolandiXor but the OK button will be hidden in a pestilential hamburger button menu
@RolandiXor Gnome 5 removes the button since it is assumed the user just submits.
4
roflololol
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Surely "closed-source" doesn't comply with the GPL...
Aren't they required to release the source code?
I don't think NK cares
It's NK. Compliance is an oxymoron and an given... all at the same time.
20:31
@SergiyKolodyazhnyy So, we go send RMS over there.
I don't think he will like it...
Richard Matthew Stallman (born March 16, 1953), often known by his initials, rms, is an American software freedom activist and programmer. He campaigns for software to be distributed in a manner such that its users receive the freedoms to use, study, distribute and modify that software. Software that ensures these freedoms is termed free software. Stallman launched the GNU Project, founded the Free Software Foundation, developed the GNU Compiler Collection and GNU Emacs, and wrote the GNU General Public License. Stallman launched the GNU Project in September 1983 to create a Unix-like computer...
That fellow.
GNU dude.
Aah, sure. Just didn't know his middle name and was confused by the M
20:37
"As of 2016, he has received fifteen honorary doctorates and professorships" :O
Meh.
Honorary doctorates are just people patting each other on the back.
formally* patting each other on the back.
Whatever.
it's always the paper that matters
20:39
All degrees are just people saying "I can pass a test."
I've seen first hand that it doesn't matter if you even know a drop of what you're doing.
It's why I stopped studying.
I'm currently studying, so I can't talk too bad about the concept.
Only so much of that crap I can take.
//rant
21:11
So, I got games in Steam working again.
That was cool.
...or not.
libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so
libGL error: driver pointer missing
libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi
libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so
libGL error: driver pointer missing
libGL error: failed to load driver: radeonsi
libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
21:40
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Q: Gnome-shell show battery percentage

Alex TartanI'm running Gnome Shell 3.20.4. Is there a way to show the battery percentage next to the icon? As also pointed out here: https://github.com/numixproject/numix-icon-theme/issues/966 (link may seem off-topic, but it's not), Gnome Shell is using a reduced set of icons for the battery. Thus, not b...

21:53
LD_PRELOAD='/usr/$LIB/libstdc++.so.6' steam
...seems to work

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