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anonymous2

13:00

Nope. Have to wonder where tech will be for our grandkids... but don't wonder too long - it gets creepy. :)

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon or any mod, please look at this: askubuntu.com/questions/892916/… The crook took my script from here: askubuntu.com/questions/796256/…, posted it as his own.

terdon

@JacobVlijm And gave attribution at the end.

Jacob Vlijm

Ai, missed that

terdon

So "crook" is a bit out of line.

But I'll close as a dupe anyway. No point in repeating it.

Jacob Vlijm

crook is no swear word, is it?

terdon

13:04

No, it isn't vulgar at all.

It's like "thief". But, in this case, unwarranted.

Jacob Vlijm

I searched for "vlijm", no matches in the answer.

anonymous2

Naw, he's still a thief. He just said which bank he robbed. ;)

Jacob Vlijm

^ yeah, it's litarally copied, including explanation.

anonymous2

Cool script, BTW.

Think I might implement that one.

terdon

@anonymous2 How do you "steal" something that is posted to the public domain using a license that allows copying as long as there's attribution?

And attribution was given.

anonymous2

13:06

@terdon Sorry, it was a joke...

Jacob Vlijm

@terdon better mention it named, than a link though

Rinzwind

@terdon should content of flags not remain private? >:-D

@anonymous2 he never said that :=D

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@anonymous2 Anything on SO is under creative commons license, unless author specifies different one, so taking work and using it with attribution ( which that guy did include in form of a link and stating "original work" ) is perfectly OK, and not considered stealing.

terdon

@Rinzwind Not really. Not for chat flags which can be seen by any >10k user on the network.

anonymous2

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Very true.

Jacob Vlijm

13:11

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Which doesn't prevent making a literal copy, just repeat someone's work without any addition or change is.... cheap at best.

terdon

Everyone: the question is now closed as a dupe of the one Jacob answered. I think everything is resolved, let's leave it at that.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@JacobVlijm ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Rinzwind

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When using terminal, it saves the previously executed commands. When I press the Up arrow button, it tells us that which commands I have run previously. Suppose, I am using my friend's system and start using it's command-line. Now, my friend will get to know what commands I have been running. B...

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Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

13:27

1493 comments on that omgubuntu post. Boy, they must have a really good load balancer to handle that amount of traffic

@JacobVlijm so what's your view on this ? Unity is gonna be gone soon

Jacob Vlijm

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Yeah, I read it. It's a bummer, since I put a lot of time in the new version of the quicklist editor. Won't finish it now untill I know the fork will actually live.

I am one of those who actually like Unity. A lot of my work will stop working... Viewport related to begin with.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I like it too, and it's a blow to my Launcher List indicator and Ayatana indicator,too, since I made it specific to Unity.

TheXed

Forgot my glasses at home, can't see a damn thing :-(

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

LLI can still live on GNOME, some other indicators can go onto other desktops, but . . .it's just not the same :/

crap, did again

Jacob Vlijm

password?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

13:34

Yup, it's standard one I use for all my VMs

fossfreedom

what's your LLI? any picture links of what it is?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@fossfreedom omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/…

There is a gif that shows how it works

Basically, you can have several lists of predefined apps that live on your Unity launcher

I've lists for enginering tools, dev tools, browsers, and misc stuff. So instead of opening dash, you can either open indicator or hover and use scroll wheel over indicator itself to alter your launcher

Could be a cool feature to have in Budgie, but that would require somehow interfacing with Plank

Jacob Vlijm

Budgie, here's an idea. Not sure if I like Gnome.

fossfreedom

does sound intriguing. Could be very useful for budgie 17.10.

Rinzwind

@JacobVlijm but but do we want to rely on fossy for our desktop? :=D

fossfreedom

13:40

ha!

Jacob Vlijm

Nah, you are right :) @Rinzwind

fossfreedom

gets little black book out

Rinzwind

1 budgiebackdoor later and he has all our askubuntu accounts so he can merge all our reputation

and then renames himself to "dictator" :-P

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@fossfreedom DN anime reference ? hehe

TheXed

Dictators suck.

Jacob Vlijm

13:42

Not even necessary, he will simply be @Rinzwind

Sicktators duck

fossfreedom

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy you can configure plank to have different icons for each workspace.

Rinzwind

@TheXed no. they generally pay a woman to get that done :P

@fossfreedom unity can do that too.

Jacob Vlijm

What is budgie's window manager? (I know, I know, I should simply look up)

Rinzwind

@JacobVlijm unity 8 >:)

fossfreedom

underneath it uses mutter

Jacob Vlijm

13:44

Aha.

Wayland -ish?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@fossfreedom will that change with switch towards Qt and moving away form GSettings ?

*from

fossfreedom

wayland - future plans - not at the moment

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy hasn't been decided yet.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Really interesting to see where will budgie go and how it develops. I have it in VM so far, but I wouldn't hesitate to install it on actual hardware like right now

fossfreedom

well its my daily driver :)

Rinzwind

13:59

fossy I dare you to fork unity7 and add it to budgie

fossfreedom

shudders

Jacob Vlijm

@Rinzwind now please answer: Is there also a Unity spoon askubuntu.com/a/900808/72216

fossfreedom

trust me @Rinzwind the patching required to make Unity 7 is horrible and screws up alot of stuff. I'm hoping that the demise of Unity 8 will take Unity 7 with it and we can then go back to upstream code.

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Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Actually . . . . there is a thingy. . . Some time ago , someone posted a Q&A on how to compile Unity with launcher set to minimum size, effectively making it a "fork" in a sense

but I don't think it's an officially registered project

Also, French flag

Rinzwind

14:04

someone made a fork for U8 but all they did was hit the fork button on github

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@Rinzwind making a proper fork takes time, especially for a large project, and their website is under construction so far

Journeyman Geek

blue white... orange...

Anwar

Just recovered from ugliest buggy system. The lesson: If you add a PPA which updates graphics libraries, don't just update some. update all installed libs from that PPA.

Journeyman Geek

actually looks like a brox flag

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@JourneymanGeek well, that's the closest we have to red here. Although @Rinzwind 's avatar could work

Journeyman Geek

14:11

ugh. VEEEEEEEAM

it seems it works like a charm if you can get past the slightly odd install process.

Also, it breaks between version upgrades on ubuntu

Rinzwind

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy keep your dirty hands of off Nue.

she is deadly in case you never saw Elfenlied.

even more deadly than Dokuro-chan

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@Rinzwind never seen that one, but now interested

Rinzwind

it's old but very very good

It was banned in the US >:-D

fossfreedom

interesting ... lots of people are unfortunately losing their jobs at Canonical and reports that investors are being sought. Is Canonical going to be sold off?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I can see why @Rinzwind

@fossfreedom sounds like Canonical is having hard time right now. Explains decisions to pull the plug on many of the projects

anonymous2

14:25

Google! I just got the Yearling Badge!

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Google ? Interesting choice of exclamation

Also, congratz !

anonymous2

Google: because I didn't want to say Yahoo.

Rinzwind

@anonymous2 and there you still did :P

anonymous2

Yes, well...

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Yelling "DuckDuckGo" would be more awkward

Rinzwind

14:34

he could have used "Yes!"

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Or "Bing!" troll smile

anonymous2

@Rinzwind Ah, well, I guess I could have... Sorry. ;)

cl-netbox

Hello :)

anonymous2

Howdy!

Rinzwind

boxy!

cl-netbox

14:38

rinzy ! :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

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Q: Was Pac-man originally named "Puck-man"?

I always thought this quote from Scott Pilgrim to be right, since I had no reason to think otherwise: Did you know that the original name for Pac-Man was Puck-Man? You'd think it was because he looks like a hockey puck but it actually comes from the Japanese phrase 'Paku-Paku,' which me...

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Interesting historical thingy

cl-netbox

@anonymous2 Congrats ! :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@cl-netbox hey, how do you like the news ?

anonymous2

Thanks!

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy ubuntu news ?

anonymous2

14:39

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Lol, I should write a post on meta about it...

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@cl-netbox yup, those about Unity

Rinzwind

@cl-netbox 18.04 will use gnome

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy guess what ? I saw this coming ... and I'm not amused ... let's hope that ubuntu desktop doesn't die completely !

@Rinzwind I already have vanilla GNOME in fedora !

tomsk

for Unity lovers there is already fork of Unity desktop unity8.org

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@tomsk we know, but we'll see if that for survives.

cl-netbox

14:45

@Rinzwind @SergiyKolodyazhnyy It was clear to me that Mark one day would come to the conclusion that he spends a lot of money and doesn't get enough appreciation for his engagement ... also a company has to make and needs to make profit ... my biggest fear is that he sells everything to Microsoft one day.

tomsk

or MATE with Mutiny looks nice too :) + with ULauncher it can be nice combination

cl-netbox

@tomsk Hi ! :)

tomsk

@cl-netbox Hiii! :)

cl-netbox

@tomsk I'm not a unity lover, but unity is / was a great DE and something special about ubuntu ... I mean unity 7 of course ! :)

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy what's your opinion on this ? GNOME is a good choice as an alternative I think ... you too @Rinzwind ?

Have you read this article -> theregister.co.uk/2017/04/06/… @Rinzwind @SergiyKolodyazhnyy ? That's the logical consequence ... :(

tomsk

@cl-netbox true and in my opinion they should fork Unity 7 rather than Unity 8, because yes.. Unity 8 is weird.. it WILL BE buggy.. not many people love it.. but Unity 7 is more stable, more classic, yes as you said Unity 7 is a "icon" of Ubuntu

cl-netbox

14:53

@tomsk The thing is that I prefer to use originals ... so for me unity is dead ... I never use forks

tomsk

@cl-netbox but if you have Ubuntu 16 LTS with unity you will get unity updates for 5 years right? :D

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@tomsk support and security updates, yes, but basically nothing else

@cl-netbox makes sense as far as the phone goes. I just don't see reasoning behind Unity being not profitable. Although, the fact that Kylin shifted away from Unity could have been a sign

cl-netbox

15:08

@tomsk too old software for me ... I always use the latest stable editions - means fedora 25 and ubuntu 16.10 as of now ... also I am not interested in using dead end solutions.

Journeyman Geek

lol

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy did you also notice that many people left Canonical in the last time ? Think of Jorge Castro as the latest example ...

Journeyman Geek

@cl-netbox I'm in the middle of updating my systems to those

Its a bit messier than I'd hoped

cl-netbox

@JourneymanGeek what is messy ? fedora ?

Journeyman Geek

I'm on 22 and for some readon fedup isn't working

and I need to test my backups first

my ubuntu box upgrade got hit by an odd bug someone went through extreme lengths to work out ;p

cl-netbox

15:11

@JourneymanGeek why do you do it this way ? it's known to cause trouble ... better make a clean install

Journeyman Geek

@cl-netbox its a VM and there's a lot of unusual settings there

fossfreedom

"Unity is a discontinued graphical shell..." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom good to know that budgie is a continued graphical shell - right ? hahaha ... Hi David ! :)

tomsk

btw does it mean that Ubuntu flavour GNOME will disappear? because GNOME will be in classic Ubuntu :D

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@tomsk likely,yes

fossfreedom

15:14

mind you popescu sorin is still posting cool videos about unity 8 - latest is today youtube.com/watch?v=rnyOUk0pvVo

cl-netbox

@tomsk I guess yes ... would make sense

tomsk

:D

Journeyman Geek

@cl-netbox I have rolling backups on the F22 box, and a known good state on the 16.04 -> 16.10 box

file browsing works

cl-netbox

@JourneymanGeek hmmm ... why not setting up a new VM or better a new vdisk in that VM ? place the personal stuff on separate partitions of the vdisk from now on ... that makes clean installs easy like a charm

Journeyman Geek

the vm needs a specific mac address ;)

and redoing it is a pain for now

fossfreedom

15:19

@tomsk good question. I suppose one driver is those corporate users who use Unity. How would they upgrade from 16.04 to something with a completely different interface. Maybe a whole bunch of gnome-shell extensions to make it look vaguely like Unity could be developed.

Journeyman Geek

I'm planning on upgrading when I get a new job to a better dedi but for now, I'd rather not touch these things.

@cl-netbox the pain point is the host

tomsk

@fossfreedom yea..

what is release date of ubuntu 17.04 please?

fossfreedom

next week thursday

tomsk

thanks :)

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom it will most probably be a modified GNOME 3 running on Wayland for 18.04 ... :)

fossfreedom

15:22

ah well ... anything modified will mean there is still space for Ubuntu GNOME to continue.

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom who shall pay the devs ? ... it's almost nearly the same basic thing ... I think ubuntu GNOME will be discontinued

@tomsk I am already running zesty in a VM ! :)

fossfreedom

remember ubuntu gnome is a community flavour - so the developers (unless paid by a company such as canonical) are volunteers

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom but where should they take the motivation from ? building a thing that is basically the same as the original ? hmmm ... no, look at your project : that makes sense - a completely different new budgie DE on top of ubuntu :)

fossfreedom

we are in speculation mode here. Lets say canonical take a bunch of existing extensions and fiddles with them to make the desktop look like unity, change the apps to be business orientated rather than pure gnome - then yes there is still space for Ubuntu GNOME where users want a ubuntu base - but a more "pure" experience

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom yeah, you're right ... we are in speculation mode ... so let's wait and see what happens. :)

Journeyman Geek

15:34

@fossfreedom essentially its easier to throw a ubuntu theme on gnome/wayland than to try to reinvent all the wheels ;)

I do wonder what this means for mir

cl-netbox

@JourneymanGeek nothing to wonder ... mir is dead ... Michael Hall confirmed and reported this already ... they will use Wayland with GNOME 3 ! :)

Journeyman Geek

ah

cl-netbox

@JourneymanGeek good decision ... I am running fedora 25 with GNOME on Wayland for months now - works great ... and I have fedora 26 alpha with the same combination in a VM ... also very good already

@fossfreedom by the way, who pays you and your team ? Canonical ? or are you all volunteers ?

tomsk

@cl-netbox great :)

fossfreedom

@cl-netbox all volunteers

tomsk

15:42

@fossfreedom volunteers? for what?

fossfreedom

ubuntu budgie

cl-netbox

@fossfreedom wow ... an extra Thank you from my side for your great engagement and hard work ! :)

tomsk

@fossfreedom ah okey :)

i never used budgie but on pics it looks nice :)

cl-netbox

@tomsk fossy also is the "Rhythmbox Master" - right @fossfreedom ? :)

fossfreedom

well ... I written quite a few plugins

cl-netbox

15:45

a few ? hahaha ... A LOT ! :D

tomsk

@cl-netbox great im looking for Audio player which supports: internet radio, spotify, youtube playlists, local playlists on drive

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I just realized something. When 18.04 comes around, imagine the amount of questions we're gonna get from users who didn't get the memo

cl-netbox

@tomsk then check fossy's PPA ! :)

tomsk

@cl-netbox link? :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

" Why did I have GNOME, and where is Unity ?"

cl-netbox

15:47

@tomsk launchpad.net -> launchpad.net/~fossfreedom

tomsk

@cl-netbox ok thx :D

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy ???

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@cl-netbox users who upgrade to 18.04 but didn't hear of the news

they'll be surprised

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy hahahaha

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy The downside of upgrades ! :D :D :D

TheXed

@Rinzwind nice...

terdon

15:50

@tomsk Clementine can do everything except the youtube. I am not sure any music player can deal with youtube playlists.

cl-netbox

Hi terdon ! :)

terdon

o/

tomsk

@terdon ok :) i will check it too

Rinzwind

Sushi. But in Eindhoven this time

www.fuso-restaurant.nl

Anwar

16:12

How can I use that space? Thank you in advance :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

16:31

@Anwar fill all with indicators. I've some to offer ;)

also . . .can i just be brutally upset plz ? i had a project in plans that would allow users to make their own simple indicators :( I think I can still publish that but . . .it also would have been focused on Unity

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy yes you can ...

terdon

16:48

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Is unity really so different? I mean, why wouldn't your tool work for different DEs?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon it would, I was just planning to spice it up with a few functions specific to Unity

terdon

great, now you can use your considerable skills to do something actually useful instead >:)

Kaz Wolfe

so... why don't we make our own unity? And make it awesome?

edwinksl

sounds like terdon isn't a big unity fan

terdon

@edwinksl What tipped you off?

edwinksl

16:56

your general grumpiness about unity :P

TheXed

@edwinksl me neither...I almost had a drunken party last night...but then I remembered I don't drink alcohol...and I am a introvert.

terdon

Nov 30 '16 at 18:00, by terdon

It's It is not Linux’s job to stop you from ~~shooting your foot~~ installing Unity. If you choose to do so, then it is Linux's job to deliver Mz. Unity to Mr Foot in the most efficient way it knows.

Jun 20 '16 at 17:46, by terdon

@Rinzwind Perhaps, but not "do you use ~~that crappy DE~~ unity?"

edwinksl

please suggest a better DE :p

or i should go the i3wm way

terdon

hee-hee searching the transcript for the times I've said "unity" paints a pretty clear picture.

@edwinksl I've been using cinnamon for the past few years and am very very pleased with it.

edwinksl

cinnamon on arch?

that's definitely not the LMR way

Anwar

16:59

Is today a flag day?

TheXed

@edwinksl budgie DE

terdon

@edwinksl Of course, why not? It's one of the standards on arch after all.

edwinksl

i jest

terdon

LMR?

edwinksl

i liked cinnamon when i tried mint

terdon

17:01

I switched to it shortly after gnome3 happened.

edwinksl

linux master race ~~circlejerk~~

terdon

Ah, heh.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon oh you bet ! I ain't giving up that easily. In fact, there will be more cool stuff coming up

Anwar

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I believe those will be helpful. Since it's still 1 year to go. And you don't what will happen next

but I need some good suggestion. It's big fault for GNOME.

TheXed

So is Unity just going to the wayside, or is someone going to fork it?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:04

@Anwar lots to choose from: github.com/SergKolo

Anwar

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy For GNOME Shell

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William

Unity is gone and GNOME is king!!

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@Anwar Udisks Indicator is non-DE specific. So is xrandr indicator. Indicator bulletin is a clipboard manager, so nothing Unity-specific there, can be sued anywhere

@William calm your font rage

lol

Anwar

Nice. I'm actually looking at Unity udisk indicator

But I need something to move that centered clock in GS, because it's preventing other ext icons to show up in shell top bar

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:07

That's something I've never heard about

Anwar

I used something before what enabled me to add more icons on right side, but i forgot the name

Just Seen your pic on Github :D

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Handsome, eh ? Lol

cl-netbox

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy super cool ! :D

Anwar

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy yeah! it is! :D

cl-netbox

@Anwar Hi Anwar ! :)

Anwar

17:17

@cl-netbox hi box! :D

Kaz Wolfe

woohoo! pgp ssh keys are working for everything! :D

including git auth. this is awesome.

Nathan Osman

@terdon you needed me?

William

unity spartans this is where we hold them this is where we fight!!! Who is with me?

Kaz Wolfe

hey @NathanOsman! I have a fully working GPG keypair! :D

also your script is broken again.

and now it works. your script is picky.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@KazWolfe works for me here

Nathan Osman

17:19

@KazWolfe wat.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman it resolved itself after a refresh

terdon

@NathanOsman Ah, yes. Have a look at the transcript around that ping if you could. We were wondering whether this would be a better fit for stackapps.

Kaz Wolfe

didn't load the first time for some reason

Nathan Osman

@terdon Not in that format, but the question, yes.

terdon

Also whether I was right in thinking that the stackapps format is different: "questions" present the app, they don't need to ask "How can I do X" and then have an answer with a script for doing X

Nathan Osman

17:21

@terdon Indeed.

terdon

OK, thanks

Nathan Osman

Questions usually describe the app itself.

And then answers are either issues raised by users or changelog entries.

Stack Apps kinda takes the whole Q/A thing and throws it out the window :P

terdon

Yeah, that's what I thought. We were just trying to find the right home for @WinEunuuchs2Unix's work.

Nathan Osman

@terdon relevant discussion for that question begins here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/36506276#36506276

I wondered if Meta at least might be a better place.

We have lots of other Ask Ubuntu-centric apps listed as questions there.

Terrance

Is this true? linux.slashdot.org/story/17/04/05/1812232/…

terdon

17:26

@NathanOsman Dunno. But I don't feel I can migrate it in its current state.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@Terrance yes, no april fools joke

Nathan Osman

@terdon yeah.

terdon

Anyway, have to go. We'll se what happens with that one.

William

@Terrance look at starred comments

Nathan Osman

@Terrance yes, it's true. No, Gnome is not superior.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:27

@Terrance Canonical is in big trouble right now, so they're cutting investments and projects

Terrance

Thanks!

I don't use Unity, so not a big deal to me. I use Xfce4 anyway.

Nathan Osman

apt.systemd.daily has been running for 15 minutes now...

chaskes

@NathanOsman I'm a big fan of the recent gnome versions.

Nathan Osman

Well, not everyone else is.

Seth

@chaskes what did they make better recently? Did they do something like add a minimize button?

chaskes

17:31

That's still from extensions, which I know you don't like.

Nathan Osman

...or let us finally control volume increment?

Because I have to patch gnome-settings myself to add that.

Seth

@chaskes I don't have a problem with extensions, but if I have to install 10 extensions to make my desktop usable then yeah, I don't like it.

brb rebooting into KDE neon

Nathan Osman

Oh! I have kernel 4.10.

Cool.

chaskes

I like how gnome stays out of the way but is still a full blown DE. The other cons don't really affect me. Plus, I assume smart people like Serg will jump in with improvements. I like Cinnamon and xfce, but both are kind of always there, if you know what I mean.

and kde is fine, too, of course

Seth

To each his own. I just find GNOME completely unusable. And I've tried to adjust. Probably about 8 different times.

Unity is what I considered out of the way.

chaskes

17:41

I like Unity (7). I'm sorry to see it go.

Seth

I never tried 8, but I didn't have high expectations. It took them long enough to get 7 right, I didn't expect 8 to be good for a long time.

chaskes

But when installing any non-Ubuntu distro, I've gone for gnome for at least a year.

Rinzwind

8 never was good enough

cl-netbox

@chaskes Same with me ! Hi chaskes ! :)

Rinzwind

and me too: I like having a bar on the side. and do not like the big popups (I never use dash too)

yxob! :)

chaskes

17:43

@cl-netbox Hey! Well, we both like fedora workstation.

Rinzwind

I so aint turning to fedora. Never ever

chaskes

My big question for 18.04 is whether the gnome version will still be behind.

cl-netbox

@chaskes yes - of course ... I am running 26 alpha in a VM for testing purposes ... impressive ! :)

Seth

@chaskes 17.04 is supposed to ship with the latest GNOME version

chaskes

@Rinzwind Just curious about what you dislike about fedora?

Seth

17:44

hey Roland!

chaskes

@Seth I saw that, but I thought that was a lucky scheduling; I wasn't sure if it will keep up.

cl-netbox

@chaskes He simply doesn't seem to ever have tried edition 25 ! :D right @Rinzwind ? :D

Rinzwind

@chaskes annoying company. and the hat is far too expensive

Seth

@chaskes well probably not completely. GNOME moves fast and ubuntu has to stop at some point or they'll never actually get a release.

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind what ??? they are a nice company - nearly everybody is very friendly and helpful ... also the developer edition of RHEL is free of charge ! :)

Rinzwind

17:48

I know. But the support is bad :=)
We have several centos systems but I rather have a problem with a 1 of our debian systems than our redhat systems.

chaskes

@Seth Traditionally, they were farther behind than fedora. I suspect that was based on the needs of unity and will now go away.

Seth

I'm going to try and recreate my Unity feel in KDE. What are the key points that keep you on Unity? For me it's the keyboard shortcuts and global menu.

@chaskes probably. Unity wasn't designed well on the backend, IMO.

@jokerdino I guess this means no more UTT too :(

jokerdino

Yeah :D \o/

Nathan Osman

So lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' reports:

Kernel driver in use: radeon

Uhm. How come it isn't using amdgpu...

Anwar

@jokerdino why was UTT that pain?

chaskes

17:51

I liked that launcher and the dash (vs menus vs gnome's app icon list)

Nathan Osman

AMD's installer doesn't work in kernel 4.10.

chaskes

And HUD was useful (when I remembered to use it)

RolandiXor

@NathanOsman you should switch to NVidia ;)

Join the cult!

Nathan Osman

Har-har-har.

RolandiXor

We have cookies!

(And fish!)

Nathan Osman

17:54

I am frustrated because I had amdgpu working on 16.04.

RolandiXor

(And the fish are cute!)

rlemon

somethings out to get me it seems. 4 different pc's in a week have 'broken' somehow and I'm at a loss to figure out what I've done to them. sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set on all four. I've read the post on how to fix it, that's not the problem. I'm more concerned now because it isn't just random chance, I have to be doing something for this to happen to multiple machines with such frequency. does anyone have any idea where I can start looking?

Nathan Osman

@rlemon check the timestamps on sudo?

That will tell you when it's being modified.

jokerdino

@Anwar I don't have to maintain it anymore.

Not that I do much maintaining..

Seth

:(

Nathan Osman

17:56

ARGH. And 17.04 questions are off-topic.

>.<

Seth

if you're having a problem like this it's probably a bug ;)

Rinzwind

@NathanOsman final beta is not here yet?

Nathan Osman

You would think so, but it's fairly complex to install and get running, so it's possible I goofed something up.

@Rinzwind I'm on beta 2.

Seth

well if you goofed the install up it's not likely to make a good question either then...

Rinzwind

@NathanOsman me too >:)

tomsk

17:58

@Seth hi, do you know KDE well? :D

rlemon

@NathanOsman like sudo -n true? or just check the last time /usr/bin/sudo was modified?

Seth

@tomsk I used it in the past.

Rinzwind

but Oli said we should relax on ubuntu+1 questions after the final beta release/

tomsk

@Seth do you know how to reload KDE config file located in .config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc without restarting plasmashell? :D

Seth

nope, sorry.

tomsk

17:59

ok :)

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