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05:01

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Kaz Wolfe

Well, I'm sitting in a video call for the next hour and a half. Any ideas?

Nathan Osman

Random puppets appearing?

Especially if you can make it appear from behind you.

Kaz Wolfe

no camera

Nathan Osman

"video call"

Clearly the phrase doesn't mean what I think it means.

Kaz Wolfe

It's a Hangout of like 20 engineers watching a terminal for a deploy.

Nathan Osman

05:05

Oh.

In that case...

Just mutter "that would be so much easier in Arch" every 5-10 minutes.

That will be sure to get under everyone's skin after a while.

Kaz Wolfe

it's yum-based through ansible

Nathan Osman

s/Arch/Docker/

Kaz Wolfe

Also this thing is liked from our 503 page for some reason.

our dev environments are all docker

Nathan Osman

Well, pick something and claim it is easier to use.

Maybe emacs if they are vim people.

Or make fun of his prompt.

Kaz Wolfe

zsh

Nathan Osman

05:08

That works.

Kaz Wolfe

I use zsh.

Nathan Osman

Oh.

Kaz Wolfe

well... youtube it is.

Nathan Osman

I'll be installing Kubuntu in a couple minutes.

From scratch.

Should be fun.

Kaz Wolfe

why?

You have a year before it switches

and, why reinstall? You can just do sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop, no?

Nathan Osman

05:12

No sense using something that's dead.

@KazWolfe I have an entire year's worth of clutter.

I need a good clean install.

Kaz Wolfe

oh, it's not even being supported anymore?

Nathan Osman

It is technically supported.

But it's practically dead.

Anyway, reboot time.

I'll be here one way or another. My new desktop or a LiveCD because something went wrong :P

Kaz Wolfe

hm...

so now... Should I go to Gnome or KDE?

or Cinnamon or <insert DE here>

RolandiXor

IceWM Lite.

Kaz Wolfe

@RolandiXor shush

RolandiXor

05:21

Zod - NEVER!

►

Kaz Wolfe

hmm... i really hope unity's death makes gnome3 good.

RolandiXor

Kaz Wolfe

well if it's going to be default...

Do any other DEs have the HUD concept?

RolandiXor

Nope.

Kaz Wolfe

Damn. I liked that.

RolandiXor

05:24

I did too, and I do miss it on other desktop environments.

I do hope a slew of new desktop environments are born.

Kaz Wolfe

Can Ayatana be hacked into Cinnamon?

RolandiXor

Good ones, that is. That actually have good design.

Nathan Osman

Wow.

Just wow.

Kaz Wolfe

?

RolandiXor

@KazWolfe See gif.

Nathan Osman

05:25

Kwin is so pretty.

Kaz Wolfe

@RolandiXor No, I think it's actually possible.

Nathan Osman

It's a work of art.

Kaz Wolfe

is kde really that good?

Nathan Osman

Haven't tested function yet but form is breathtaking.

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, but that's a mac thing to say.

Nathan Osman

05:27

Unity didn't have nothin' on this.

RolandiXor

@NathanOsman I'm still using it - that says a lot.

Nathan Osman

So... the partition manager is better than Gnome's.

That much I have just confirmed.

RolandiXor

It has a partition manager built in?

Or is that on the installer?

Nathan Osman

Yup!

Kaz Wolfe

what about its GTK application support?

RolandiXor

05:28

I never found it!

Nathan Osman

And it even does LVM.

Kaz Wolfe

I remember KDE was sort of... crappy.

Also, is there a way to replicate Unity in KDE, because I'd switch to that so fast.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe wait until install completes.

RolandiXor

@KazWolfe it's actually really good.

@KazWolfe yes.

Nathan Osman

I'll have screenshots soon.

Kaz Wolfe

05:29

@RolandiXor really? the side bar and everything?

Nathan Osman

I should make that.

Kaz Wolfe

(but no hud or Dash i'm guessing)

Nathan Osman

Qt after all.

@KazWolfe the Application Launcher in KDE is already pretty similar.

RolandiXor

@KazWolfe yes - the only thing you can't replicate is the HUD.

Nathan Osman

You can type to search, etc.

Kaz Wolfe

05:30

So... how do I replicate the hud?

RolandiXor

You get the sidebar/dock + Dash, even global menu in the most recent release.

@KazWolfe dig into the code and recreate it from scratch ;)

Kaz Wolfe

wait, i can do global menu in kde through ayatana?

RolandiXor

@KazWolfe ayatana?

that term hasn't been used since the early days

Nathan Osman

The redesign initiative that brought us indicators.

RolandiXor

That's what I know it as.

Kaz Wolfe

05:32

RolandiXor

So, I don't understand the question.

Kaz Wolfe

That's also ayatana.

RolandiXor

That's the result of ayatana.

Kaz Wolfe

So... how do I do that in KDE?

Nathan Osman

KDE doesn't have a top bar by default.

Kaz Wolfe

05:33

@NathanOsman That's easy to fix.

Nathan Osman

Dunno if you can add one...

Kaz Wolfe

It's getting the menu and stuff in there.

RolandiXor

fasterland.net/activate-global-menu-kde-plasma-5-9.html

@NathanOsman you can

Kaz Wolfe

Hm. I might give it a shot then

RolandiXor

Only Unity feature you can't get is the locally integrated menu that's stretched across the title bar. It can only be a button.

Kaz Wolfe

05:36

bah

I'll wait a bit though

RolandiXor

Good idea.

Kaz Wolfe

Really, I just want Unity with better notifications.

RolandiXor

KDE.

Or, fork Unity.

Kaz Wolfe

also can we please have overwatch for linux

RolandiXor

Personally, I won't use a Unity fork that doesn't bring actual customization options to it. KDE, Gnome, etc, allow for a level of customization that "My way or the highway" Canonical prevented with Unity. It's one of the problems I've had with Pantheon (which, btw, I like, otherwise).

@KazWolfe is that a game?

Kaz Wolfe

05:42

@RolandiXor yes.

RolandiXor

see gif ;)

Kaz Wolfe

@RolandiXor Gnome 3... customization? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe we already do?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Not TF2.

There's no native Linux client for Overwatch.

Nathan Osman

Oh never mind.

RolandiXor

05:44

@KazWolfe lol yeah - you can literally transform Gnome (even Gnome shell)

Not perfect, but better than people are aware.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman I mean, it works under wine, but wine's really bad for linux gaming so...

Nathan Osman

Yeah.

Anyone know what /dev/dm-0 is?

Installer wants to stick the bootloader there.

RolandiXor

Can't remember.

Kaz Wolfe

dev dm-0 is fakeraid or some logical thing

if you have LVM, that'll act as dm-0 in some cases

Nathan Osman

Ouch. Installer just crashed.

Kaz Wolfe

05:53

See dmsetup info /dev/dm-0

also steam... pls stop throttling downloads in background

Nathan Osman

06:09

Installation is nearly complete...

Nathan Osman

06:20

Install finished but Grub doesn't see the Windows partition now.

I'm betting this is EFI related.

Kaz Wolfe

efi is awesome \o/

i blame your using windows

RolandiXor

Windows 8 or 10? Fastboot to blame.

It's like hibernate - grub won't be able to read the partition.

Nathan Osman

@RolandiXor 10 but I thought I remembered disabling Fastboot.

RolandiXor

If you did, it might indeed be an EFI issue.

Either way, I'm about to get something to eat, play a little no man's sky, and get to bed :D

Nathan Osman

Cool.

RolandiXor

06:32

hi

Kaz Wolfe

hi

Nathan Osman

Hi

Kaz Wolfe

Hi

Journeyman Geek

06:49

0_0

Hi

(I was suprised to hear unity is dead)

Nathan Osman

Okay...

How come I can't install Chrome extensions?

I get about halfway through downloading the extension and Chrome cancels the download.

Anwar

hi

Nathan Osman

Oh there we go.

It finally succeeded.

Greetings from KDE land!

Anwar

I'm using KDE and with Arc theme, I don't realize i'm.

Journeyman Geek

most of my ubuntu boxes don't have a DE

Anwar

06:58

though routine Krashes reminds me I'm using KDE

Journeyman Geek

and weee. main server is getting backed up

the only problem I have now is since my backup process so jerryrigged, its going to be a pain to restore it remotely/

bit I'll work that out

Nathan Osman

I guess we'll find out shortly if KDE works well with amdgpu...

I also had to turn off Accelerated 2D canvas in Chrome or I was seeing all sorts of rendering glitches.

RolandiXor

Chrome kills kittens that have done no wrong.

Nathan Osman

I better get to bed. It's getting late.

KDE is a mixed bag. I mean, it's pretty and quite functional. Lots of options.

It feels a bit experimental though.

RolandiXor

It does have some rough edges to work on for sure

it is the best out of the distros I've tried though

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

08:11

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Q: monitor disk writes by directory

I am trying to track where excessive disk writes are coming from whether by mail coming in, db writes, logs or another source. There are about 75 accounts on the server, some active and some not. Is there any type of disk I/O command I can execute which will specify the DIRECTORY(ies) to which ...

Zanna

08:33

isn't this off-topic? askubuntu.com/questions/900698/apt-key-command-not-found

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Back now, and sure. Let me know when you're around.

@Zanna Depends on whether the host machine is Ubuntu or not and on whether the OP is running the command on the host or the guest.

blade19899

08:48

Finally update my profile. Hadn't changed it in years :P

Zanna

@terdon Ah thanks, that's what I thought... was going to comment but I was not sure exactly what question to ask

deleted by OP

terdon

> Oh... Yeah. Choose wrong community :) Sorry, guys – Andersson 3 mins ago

Zanna

saw it

tomsk

09:30

o/

TheWanderer

09:43

Ugh

Zanna

what's wrong?

TheWanderer

Nothing like waking up to a bloody nose that won't stop

Zanna

ugh

TheWanderer

Agreed :p

Anwar

09:59

@Rinzwind who's BOFH? You mean shuttleworth?

Anwar

10:14

lol. A spam can't even enjoy 26 seconds on AU!

rage

I was writing an answer Rinz!

Rinzwind

Rant askubuntu.com/questions/900734/…

@Anwar yes, he is on AU ;-)

Anwar

omg! That's favorited by 1 already

Rinzwind

w t f he's a moron that dude

@terdon nuke it! :+

Anwar

lol. He had a copy of this previous question!

Rinzwind

10:30

eh this answer ....

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Q: Can't update/install in Fresh Ubuntu Server 16.04

Why I try to run apt-get update error show me as Reading package lists... Done W: The repository 'http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. N: See apt-sec...

16.04 server

the URL in the answer ... that's eh... very dubious

Anwar

working on it. adwaita for kde github.com/MartinBriza/adwaita-qt

should i flag?

Rinzwind

grrrrrr @muru

muru

>:D

Zanna

10:47

?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@muru and @terdon the code version control between local files and AU answers is complete with revamped question and two answers. I've got a stackapp.com setup so you can migrate it now: askubuntu.com/questions/900319/…

terdon

@WinEunuuchs2Unix We can't migrate, I don't think. AFAIK, stackapps has a completely different format. It isn't really Q&A based.

Not sure though.

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WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon Oh... let me know whenever you find out what you'd like me to do. I'm moving onto next project now... calendar and time in large letters when you open new terminal window :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Hmmm, got myself 1704 Kylin iso, but it said 1610 when booted

muru

10:50

@terdon it does show up on the site list. I don't dare test it.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

very weird

terdon

@muru Yeah, it does, but don't they just have app posts? I mean, without having the Q&A format?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I'm going to let the community decide.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon I like democracy :)

Have to get ready for work now...see y'all later.

muru

@terdon I did post an answer once: stackapps.com/a/6870/38621

They do have special tags like in meta (library, app, script, etc.), but the general format still seems to be SE

terdon

@muru Yeah, me too, but for that sort of thing: bug reporting, improvements etc. I don't think they want faux-questions to fit the answer as we do here.

I mean, app authors just post a question with "here's my app peeps!" instead of having to first ask "Is there an app for X" and then posting the app as an answer.

If only we knew someone who was a moderator there.

@NathanOsman your wisdom is needed.

muru

10:54

Yep, which was somewhat how the question originally was, except without the all-important actual code itself.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

The code is there now...

ok now i'm getting ready for sure :D

muru

In the answers, I'd probably expect a SA post to have the code in the Q or hosted elsewhere and linked to in the post

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

11:06

OP of this post hasn't communicated since the question has been posted on March 5th. At least from the way the question stands, it's a duplicate of linked one in the comments. May we have some close votes there please ? askubuntu.com/q/889821/295286

Also duplicate target might need editing. Dupe title isn't specific enough

Zanna

edited both questions, upvoted target & answer, voted to close

Anwar

installed adwaita on KDE :D

Zanna

nice :)

terdon

11:21

I strongly urge all of you poor unity refugees to try cinnamon.

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Anwar

I need to find matching window border theme now ...

I ain't a Unity refugee. But I don't never liked cinnamon.

terdon

PSA: People, don't vote to close as off topic if a question isn't specific to the EOL release it mentions.

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Q: Move /opt to a different, already existing drive

I dual boot Ubuntu 16.04 and Windows 8.1. All of Ubuntu lives on an SSD, and the core Windows stuff lives there too, in a separate partition. The main User folders for Windows (Documents, Downloads, etc.) live on a separate hard drive. I'm running out of space in Ubuntu. I'd like to move /opt ...

dual-boot partitioning mount hard-drive

Zanna

I think someone is confused about the meaning of concise

terdon

The OP there had said they were using 15.04 but the question is 100% version agnostic.

There's not much point in closing that.

Zanna

yeah there is nothing versiony about that one (and they said they meant 16.04 anyway)

oh good it has a proper answer now

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

11:28

@terdon let me know if star needs removal

Also, kinda nope-ing out on cinnamon. I used to run Mint i think way in fall of 2014 or so, when I just started getting into my "try all the distros" craze every young Linux user experiences. Liked it for some time, then after kernel panic went back to Ubuntu

I'm sort of past the whole "Star Menu" and "Windows-like" thing. Or even "Apple-like"

Anwar

is it primarily opinion based question? askubuntu.com/q/722968/61218

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Don't compare a beta release with a mature one. And what does Mint have to do with it? Cinnamon is available for any distro and the default in various.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I never use the menu anyway, so I don't care. It's the general feel of the DE I like and its customizability.

And I honestly have no idea why you'd call Cinnamon windows-like. Gnome2-like, yes.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon That's where I primarily was using Cinnamon. I tried couple of times on Ubuntu, but it is obviously better on the system it's designed for, less problems with it

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Dunno. I don't think I've ever used cinnamon on Mint.

But what you describe is (sorry) Windows/Mac/Ubuntu mentality.

Most distros don't have things designed for them.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

> Cinnamon was developed by (and for) the Linux Mint distribution, with wider adoption spreading to other distributions over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(software)

Just like Unity originally was made for Ubuntu

Anwar

11:37

I liked Mint on GNOME2 days. Then Mint was slick. But never liked Cinnamon. Maybe because it wasn't using compiz. There wasn't enough effect to play with for me

terdon

Yes, I know, but that's an exception. The vast majority of distros don't have things designed for them.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

There's nothing from with having a desktop environment being designed for some particular distro, IMHO. In fact, I would think that should be a more common practice. Give your own distro unique look and feel

terdon

@Anwar Ah, I admit I hate most effects. I find them distracting. So I have no idea how cinnamon has progressed there. I do know its support of multiple screens has improved enormously.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy And then you get horrible things like unity and gnome3. . .

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Gnome 3.24 is the future: eweek.com/enterprise-apps/…

terdon

But yes, there's no accounting for taste.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

11:39

@terdon Unity may have been horrible in the beginning. I wasn't particularly fond of it when I came to the distro 2.5 years ago, but I've grown to like it

terdon

44 secs ago, by terdon

But yes, there's no accounting for taste.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

-____-

Anwar

@terdon I agree. I don't play with them a lot these days. And I still missing Shiki-colors themes. Mint looked great with those

terdon

I always hated the two main "features" of unity: large ugly buttons and global menu

Anwar

I thought those will be ported to GTK3 but ...

terdon

11:41

And mac-wannabe-style window decorations.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Anyway, it's a non sequitor argument. "If a desktop environment is developed for specific distro, it is worse that standalone one"

Rinzwind

sigh

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy But that's just it, I really don't think it makes much difference. With the possible exception of Ubuntu which makes all sorts of changes under the hood.

Rinzwind

SIGH

Anwar

@Rinzwind hi ! what's up?

Rinzwind

11:44

too many illiterate people on ubuntu today

or am I allowed to say idiots? :-P

Anwar

I admit, I'm illiterate :-)

Rinzwind

even @terdon :=D

sigh!

terdon

Explain yourself puny mortal.

Rinzwind

fine! upvoted: askubuntu.com/a/900760/15811 but this really needs a warning :-P

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon to some extend it doesn't make difference, but the way i look at it is just giving a distro's desktop it's own unique look and feel.

Anwar

11:47

bbl.

terdon

@Rinzwind Ah, yes. But the OP did specify /opt. Basically, anything not needed during boot should be fine. As long as the target disk is mounted first.

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I know. I guess that's always seemed strange to me. I consider the idea of the DE defining the distro to be an Ubuntu thing. I come from the time when distros din't have default DEs and you picked your own.

Now, gerroff my lawn youngun!

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon shush, you aren't that old, too early to make claims like that

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Still what, 10-15 years older than you?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I'm gonna be 27 this year

terdon

OK, 10 years.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

11:51

do the math

terdon

And I started with Linux in 99.

Back when the first thing I'd do after logging in was type startx :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

The way I see it that a distro should differentiate itself form others. I do have like bunch of others installed,sure, and i like the idea of choosing your own desktop and sticking with it, but from the point of attracting new users and keeping existing ones, a desktop environment is one of the things that could do that

One of the reasons why I fell in love with Deepin is their desktop. I'm also on the way to try out Pantheon and elementary at some point soon, because their look attracts me

Budgie, if that survives, will be my choice to move out of Unity by 2021, likely. It's something that is unique and gives some features of MATE, GNOME, and Deepin

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Yeah, I can understand that point of view, I just don't share it. One of the things that annoys me the most about Ubuntu is how they've made it so that it's so hard to install another DE. For me, a distro differentiates itself through its package management system, configuration tools etc. The DE, for me, should absolutely not be an integral part of the distro.

But yes, I do get how that makes a lot of sense for new users or those who just want to use their computer and don't care to fiddle with it (i.e. normal people).

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon anyway, you've a private room ready ? I've got just a small question to ask, won't take more than 5 - 7 mins

anonymous2

12:07

First bug report. :)

gnome-calculator comes up with totally wrong answer

Confirmed on: - Ubuntu 16.04.1: gnome-calculator version 1:3.18.3-0ubuntu1 - Ubuntu 16.04.2: gnome-calculator version 1:3.18.3-0ubuntu1.16.04.1 To reproduce the bug (have tried on multiple computers) do something along these lines in the gnome-calculator app: - Press 7 and Enter. Screen should show 7 = 7, input field should show 7. - Press left arrow and type 12, then the right arrow and type +7. Input field should show 127+7. - Press Enter. Screen will show 127+7 = 91, input field will show 91. No scientific modes or anything; this is in normal mode.

gnome-calculator (Ubuntu)

Undecided / New

Rinzwind

@terdon worthy of upvoting now :+)

terdon

bows

Rinzwind

Posted a BFW

sigh

hey 4

blue flags

WTF does this system send me russian text :P

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

12:34

@Rinzwind lemme know if you need translations ;)

terdon

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Is this in any way offensive?

> а вы только передергиваете))

Google tells me it means "you just juggle"

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@terdon nope, it says "and you (guys) are just/only mocking"

terdon

shrugs. That's what was flagged.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Not correct flag,then.

Also, what's going on with my brain last few days ? I seem to be revering back to simple phrases and lack of vocab

Been passing out early and waking up at 4 am ,too

terdon

EOL?

Sounds like you need to upgrade to a supported release.

fossfreedom

12:46

well that didnt take long... unity8 has been forked - github.com/unity8org/unity8org

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Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

I need to upgrade to a brain with larger capacity

@NathanOsman well, there's your winner for who's gonna fork Unity first ^ see above

Unity is dead, long live Unity ?

anonymous2

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy popsci.com/technology/article/2011-08/…

RIP Unity.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@anonymous2 Move over Watson, I wanna plug myself into that Matrix

anonymous2

Lol.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

(If you don't know what I'm referring to,that is IBM's AI, Watson)

anonymous2

12:53

Ah, gotcha. I only caught half the sense of the joke.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

120 petabytes . . . that's a lot of data . . .and I remember when my USB with 8 GB felt like a lot

anonymous2

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy I remember when my hard disk with 5 seemed like a lot, lol.

Before that I was on a computer with 1 GB.

And before that... I was on MS-DOS.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

It's definitely impressive how computing has changed over the course of just couple decades

anonymous2

"640 k ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981

Though he denies having ever said it.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Hehe, that quote . . . Regardless of whether or not he said that, it may have been true in 1981, but time doesn't stand still, and neither does technology

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