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00:00
And twitter does this?
Sort of... it also provides a fluid layout scheme.
I am now confused.
I messed it up.
And it's all my fault.
:(
So - is bootstrap a template?
Oli
Oli
I'm not sure about it [BootStrap]. I can see the benefits for chucking out a good-looking prototype but things that force you into certain widths are fairly incompatible with my line of work where designers make something with the client, throw the design at me and then the client expects the website to to look just like the design.
Unless the designer is going to follow the columns and measurements (and frankly it's hard enough to get them to follow their own grids), and use the same styles for buttons/inputs/tables/etc, I'm never going to be able to professionally use this.
I'm also not overjoyed by the idea of having to learn 5000 class names for every layout/style eventuality.
jrg
jrg
00:11
I think its primarily designed for those "Hey, i'm a developer, I just built some really cool thing this weekend, but its freakin' like, ugly. BOOM BOOTSTRAP"
@Oli 5000 class names? Is it really that bad?
@jrg You'll get to see what I've been working on in a few moments...
jrg
jrg
I'm a hipster - I used bootstrap a week after release, back before it was cool. ;)
@GeorgeEdison /me is excited.
@Oli hey, I can get to cleanup.thepcspy.com/mods - granted, i can't do anything, but still...
@Oli: Wait - the Cleanup site is running on Django?
1
Q: solved Firefox add-on gmail watcher sound problem

user22854I'm using a firefox extension called gmail watcher(https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gmail-watcher/) and for some reason it won't play a custom sound notification. I've got it working on a Mac and in PCLinuxOS, but for some reason Ubuntu 11.04 won't play the .wav file that the extens...

(I'm participating in clean up and this is one of mine.)
@Oli if we run into something where the perosn found the solution themselves, but never marked their own statement of that as the correct answer, can the question be closed?
i'm thinking too localized, but i'm not sure
well in any case, i voted to close it per too localized, but only because they only solved their own question on a very very specific setup and set of circumstances too
Oli
Oli
@ThomasWard In this case I'd just vote on the answer to move it off the unanswered post. They found a solution and posted what worked for them.
00:24
if my lag werent horrible this would be easy
Oli
Oli
@GeorgeEdison I'm exaggerating, of course, but given that you need to know all the layout classes for containers and columns and then the style class names for all the various elements... I'd expect to use over 100 different classes in a medium-complexity design.
i wonder if the trekweb subdomains are under DDoS...
Oli
Oli
@GeorgeEdison Yup. I use Django for everything I can.
@Oli Now that Ondina is going live, I hope to be able to as well.
I've been using PHP practically since I was born.
Oli
Oli
@jrg Yeah, you're marked as a staff-member (so you look like a mod on the ratings). I need to tie down some of the security settings but you should eventually be able to see most of the raw data.
00:25
Alright everyone, please visit quickmediasolutions.com
@jrg: ---^
What you will see is the old site.
Once everyone is there, I'll flip the switch on the new version.
Oli
Oli
I'm on.
@GeorgeEdison why're you having everyone visit the old site?
i thought you were going to deploy the new one
So you can see the improvement :) I'll deploy in a moment.
Uh-oh... something isn't right...
you broke it!
you should be slapped!
I fixed it... sorta... now the error message has a sad face :P
Digs deeper...
Okay, sorry everyone.
It's now up!
Oli
Oli
00:30
Two things immediately. Never redirect to an error page. It annoys my socks off when I can't just refresh. / should be the home page. Redirecting to /wibbles/home/index causes another request every time somebody visits and generally slows things up.
Ah, okay. Noted.
@GeorgeEdison what web server software
I kind of didn't want to redirect to a separate error page - but quite a bit of the content is static ATM.
As time permits, this will get converted to an MVC application.
@ThomasWard I haven't listed one yet - but rest assured, I've written some.
Pagination is also missing, so there is a lot more to add... but this works for now.
i think you misunderstood the question
jrg
jrg
@GeorgeEdison Nice.
00:33
Thanks!
apache? nginx? lighttpd? some crappy web server?
You have been e-slapped.
Oli
Oli
It also behaves a bit oddly when you have a large browser window. The .hero-unit thing at the top doesn't have any limiting width so it stretches out.
@ThomasWard You mean that I've written?
@Oli It's supposed to.... I'm pretty sure that's part of the Bootstrap design.
jrg
jrg
@GeorgeEdison no, what server is it running on right now
00:34
@jrg Oh, a CentOS machine with PHP 5.2.
um... @Oli, i think there's abreak in your site
...
It's a shared hosting server - otherwise this would have been a Django app.
jrg
jrg
@Oli Ah, gotcha.
ah
@Oli it gave me this question for "clean up" but its already marked as answered and has been since Jan 26:
Oli
Oli
@ThomasWard Where what when who where (again) and which?
00:35
0
Q: Impossible to update grub2 entries

fejaoI installed an Ubuntu Studio in one of the partitions that I had for using Gnome3. The Grub2 that was installed by the default Ubuntu Studio changed all the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file creating its own menu. Till here no problem, everything going normal. The thing is that it wrote on the grub2 menu ...

THIS EVIL LAG MUST DIE
Oli
Oli
Yup, that's a problem. Will have a look.
It must be killed.
killall lag
the answer there also already has one upvote
:/
@Oli in the mean time, if it is a break, it should give me the point anyways :P
Oli
Oli
@ThomasWard It probably will when I fix it
Is it supposed to show questions with accepted answers?
Cause I had a couple of those.
00:38
@GeorgeEdison i dont think it should, but if it is, its looking for a +1 on those answers
Oli
Oli
@GeorgeEdison No it's supposed to check them before it allocates. If it has an accepted answer or has any answers with +1 (or higher), it should tick those off as dealt with and find another one
i think the system needs some redoing actually, but meh
@Oli It's a bug then.
Quick! To launchpad!
@William I don't think this is on Launchpad.
00:39
I know. It should be.
Oh, @Oli! !...
no, this should not have a corresponding LP project
@Oli if you want, i have a largely unused bugtracker sitting on one of my servers, i'll reinitialize the thing so you can have a bug reporting center for your site
Oli
Oli
I'm not sure it's big enough for a bug tracker. I'm trying to deal with the issues as they land.
well lemme know if you want it anyways, all i've really got to do is move a file into sites-enabled :P
@ThomasWard Why should it not be on launchpad?
and if you've got DNS, you can point your own subdomain for bugtracker (in future) towards my server, the A record is pretty much public
@William because :p
Oli
Oli
00:43
@William For starters it's not an open source project (yet)
Because the great @ThomasWard said so.
Oh. It should be.
not if its still in dev ;P
So this is technically a beta.
... more like an RC i think
BTW thanks for pointing out my fail earlier.
00:44
hell, it could just remain closed-source
Your'e very nice.
(sorry for downvoting your answer, but...)
yeah no problem
I can tell you feel very sorry.
Oli
Oli
A public beta, yeah... But Gmail was in beta until only very recently. It has bugs. A lot of software does.
Hmm
I don't like it when software stays in beta for forever.
Oli
Oli
00:46
So let me get on with it then :)
Cracks whip
@Oli you might want to start up a bugtracker even if its not "hugely widespread"
loads shotgun, prepares to defend @Oli
FYI, my whip is better. It has long term super powers.
you'd not say that if you were facing this thing ;P
in any case... back to coding
Oli
Oli
Well I just wrote a command to let me manually update a single question and it seemed to update just fine, noticed it was answered and has checked it off. It should be off your list now @ThomasWard but I've no idea why you were allocated it in the beginning. It's running the same code it just ran now.
00:55
@Oli yep its off my list
(although it never gave me a score :/)
Oli
Oli
@ThomasWard It should have given you a "vote" point
i take it i wont see it until the next update 30 minuets from now?
Oli
Oli
@ThomasWard No, that should be showing now
In [5]: q.finished_by.user.get_full_name()
Out[5]: u'Thomas Ward EvilPhoenix'
nope
Your stats

Open: 7
Completed: 2
Expired: 1


Scorecard

Duplicates: 0
Closes: 0
New Answers: 0
Voting: 0
Score: 0

Next update in 30 minutes
I place my trust in my whip.
Oli
Oli
00:59
@ThomasWard Oh! On that page, yes, you've got "up to" 5 minutes before it'll show
i place trust in my shotgun, in the AK type weapon i have, and the 8 different pistols i currently own (i've got other weapons but no ammo)
Oli
Oli
You've got 3 vote points on the leaderboard.
@Oli oic
ah cool
Oli
Oli
Sorry, I've probably been a little heavy handed with the caching but I didn't know how many people were going to jump on the site and start doing heavy things.
:P
@Oli stuff happens :p
Oli
Oli
01:01
Actually, that scorecard section looks broken. Mine does too. Probably something I've introduced with the caching code today
so fix it?
or incorporate a dynamic check
It has been brokenified.
Anyway, thanks Oli, great idea and great tool.
perhaps an "Update scorecard" button that updates the values on-click
What does it mean by "competition coming soon"?
Oli
Oli
@William Well it has the ability to track how much cleanup people do for a set period of time (as well as keeping lifetime scores) so we can hold events to see who can clean up the most. We're hoping to offer some prizes for it.
That was the dream 10 months ago so was a key aspect of the design for it.
01:04
:O
USERSCRIPT!
nice!
Oli
Oli
Oh yeah, I should probably advertise that from the meta page
Us3rscript
Oli
Oli
Much more convenient for banging through a long list of things.
i know right?
Oli
Oli
01:16
@ThomasWard Visit: cleanup.thepcspy.com/refresh and your jibberyjoo should be working now
(note /refresh/ only clears the cache for that page - it doesn't force an update)
I totally forgot about this guy:
I think I've misplaced the PGP key for him too :(
01:32
hello
having a nightmare here :(
Oy...
What happened to color photographs?
Everybody looks so different in black-and-white :P
0
A: Tomboy saves sync settings, but Ubuntu One sync is still disabled

Jorge CastroFrom the OP: Finally, I solved the problem! If it can be useful for someone...I had to change the server URL in Tomboy preferences from "https://..." to "http://...". In this way, it worked!

can I get an upboat to get this answered?
@GeorgeEdison hah yeah that's an old pic
Oli
Oli
@JorgeCastro You can.
AWWW YEAH
01:47
Oli
Oli
We're very quickly edging towards an answer rate of 78% (the stackexchange hub site rounds up - we're 77.74). We've done half a percent this evening.
AWW YEAH!
I win the AWWW YEAH competition!
Hey is there a way to combine accounts? I somehow creatd multiple accounts usign the same email
01:54
You ask a moderator.
is there a link?
No you just ask @OLi or something.
Or someone else with long term super powers.
Oli
Oli
@bambuntu I'm on it
So I do a question as normal, but just put @OLi in the the question?
No, ask @Oli in chat to combine the accounts.
1 min ago, by Oli
@bambuntu I'm on it
Oli
Oli
01:57
@bambuntu You've got five accounts! Want me to roll them all into one?
ok, thanks. I didn't know it would be that easy. Yes. Then I can work on shoring them answers up. I just learned how to vote.
This account is the one I'd like them to be unified to.
Oli
Oli
@bambuntu Okay it's done.
Cool. Thanks alot. BTW, If I feel a question wasn't clear or helpfull on my part is it a good idea to delte it later on if people didn't answer?
Oli
Oli
@bambuntu If it's no longer relevant to you, sure. If it still matters, consider editing it to improve it. It'll get bumped back up onto the homepage for a bit and somebody might see it.
Ok, just want to make sure I"m not making things messy here. This is the coolest and most responsive question asking forum in computers I"ve ever used.
Oli
Oli
02:03
@bambuntu We try our best :)
Thanks again. Off to the market.
Bye!
See ya!
Bye!
Nice blue screen :P
02:13
What a pretty blue screen...
No - I mean I just got a blue screen.
I know.
Still, that's what you get for using the Developer Preview.
Blue Screens are a lot prettier in Windows 8.
02:33
@oli Sir, i see my account duplicated yet again. :(
I forget which one I use for my Open ID.
I have decided to use my Google open ID from now on. Sorry for the trouble.
Gnome 3 runs nicely in a VM.
@oli, so you leave the one with my real name on. Thanks.
02:58
Bounty offered: Unable to sync time using `ntpdate`, error: "no server suitable for synchronization found" http://askubuntu.com/questions/49401/unable-to-sync-time-using-ntpdate-error-no-server-suitable-for-synchronizat #time
@jokerdino That's pretty cool!
Thanks. :)
03:30
0
Q: How do I make vim the default?

N 1.1While trying to make vim default instead of gedit, I found this could be done two ways: Use defaults.list and make text/plain (and others) point to vim.desktop (what is the format for creating .desktop files?) Use update-alternatives and change gnome-text-editor (right now it has only one alter...

can I get an upvote to mark this answered?
Got it, sir.
@Oli Look what you've started.
03:48
0
A: Unity3D loads all the time instead of selected desktop session

Jorge CastroOP solved this: I was clicking on 'switch user account', which seems to not notice the changing of desktop environments... you have to click log out, then click the cog wheel, make your selection, and log in....

need another one here
@jrg Around?
@jokerdino nice work on that bugfix!
Hey, thanks. :)
3
Q: Remember last window location

SamHow can I configure my Ubuntu to start all program windows at the last window location? In compiz I only can configure that all windows start in one corner, centered, etc. Or I have to define rules for each program where it starts...that is too laboroius.

this question needs an update if someone is looking for something to do
jokerdino, just FYI the corkscrew link in askubuntu.com/questions/107173/… actually tries to install the package for me, which probably isn't what you intended
03:57
oh yeah. my bad.
@Caesium updated.
looks good :)
04:33
Anyone here?
Because I need some help.
No, I am dead.
Ask someone else :D
Yay!
^_O
Yay?!
Guess what, I have a huge project I need to turn in tommorow.
04:34
It's 10:34 at night.
lol
it's 12:34...
ANd I need to burn a DVD.
in the morning
And I go to brasareo...
and...
@William got any matches ;)?
04:34
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$ brasero
brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$
lol
did you check for any updates?
@william sudo updatedb && locate libunity.so.
sounds like libunity got updated somehow
@jokerdino Did that, nothing.
Same error.
and brasero probably can't find it cause it's linking to the wrong one
04:36
I'm really too tired to do anything technical.
@William it will still give you the error after using locate
@William give me the output, not whether your error is fixed or not.
locate is to show you where it's at
It almost - but not quite - makes me wish I got a mac.
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$ sudo updatedb && locate libunity.so
[sudo] password for williamt:
/home/FileSystem/usr/lib/libunity.so.6
/home/FileSystem/usr/lib/libunity.so.6.2.0
/home/williamt/.cboos/wkdir/FileSystem/usr/lib/libunity.so.6
/home/williamt/.cboos/wkdir/FileSystem/usr/lib/libunity.so.6.2.0
/usr/lib/libunity.so.9
/usr/lib/libunity.so.9.0.0
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$ brasero
brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Roland, is symlinking a good idea?
04:37
I don't think so, but it might work
@William are you on 12.04?
No, 11.10.
I have the Unity PPA though.
You should not have libunity.so.9 on 11.10...
THAT'S WHY!
:)...
PPA should have been purged after unity 5.0
^that
purge the ppa, and run brasero again ;)
problemo solved
Umm... what?
JUst tell me what I need to run.
04:40
sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
Unity's been acting wird lately.
sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity/staging
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[sudo] password for williamt:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
ppa-purge
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
3 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 4,360 B of archives.
After this operation, 57.3 kB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
I got an error. SHould I be concerned?
OK.
Happens every time I install something.
@jokerdino :
williamt@FatalError-HP-Ubuntu:~$ sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity/staging
Updating packages lists
W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key <[email protected]>

W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <[email protected]>
Appears to have failed.
04:43
oh.
Drat.
badsig error.
Is badsig bad?
9
Q: What is the easiest way to resolve apt-get BADSIG GPG errors?

CaseyI frequently cross this issue, and always have to google for an answer. Does anyone have a permanent fix for BADSIG errors from apt-get? W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org lucid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 54422A4B98AB5139 Oracle Corporation (Virtu...

or you can try launchpad-getkeys
it usually happens if you manually add a ppa instead of using add-apt-repository
04:44
Followed fossfreedom's instructions, to no avail
same error
Remove those PPA's for now.
Purge Unity 5 and then readd them later.
Just tell me what I need to type in please.
Im too tired to figure it out.
Doesnt list Unity.
readd it.
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity-team/staging
04:51
WHat does that mean?
sudo add-apt-repository unity-team/staging
Error: 'unity-team/staging' invalid
0
Q: Restoring impartial Windows 7 registry & OS files

TimI use Linux personally but do repair work on windows os, mostly virus removal and repair. We keep coming up with the same issue. We believe it's the result of partially damaged or corrupted registry files or OS files. While we are able to disable and remove any virus/male-ware/spy-ware/ect, many ...

close this please
@William: You need the ppa: prefix.
oh yeah. Thanks George.
DOne.
Now what?
sudo ppa-purge ppa:unity-team/staging
04:53
Current status: 19955 new [+19955].
Warning: Something went wrong, packages may not have been reverted
Umm... that bad?
nope.
Still cant open brasareo.
restart comp. :)
k
Wish unity filled icons with progress as opeations complete like win7
some of them do.
so, brasero working?
04:56
havent restarted et
waiting for openshot to finish render

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