Ask Ubuntu General Room

Jorge Castro

15:00

ok so what should I check out? lp:chromify-osd stopped working for me

Marco Ceppi

bzr appears to have my old personal branch memorized just try to do bzr pull lp:chromify-osd/extension that should stack it properly or whatever bzr does

Jorge Castro

alright, that worked

still can't pull /npapi though

grrr

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Do the same thing again

bzr pull lp:chromify-osd/npapi

Jorge Castro

sigh

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro This is probably one of the reasons why I don't like bazaar. I seem to fight with it more than I use it :P

Lets make this super simple - download it here:

Jorge Castro

15:10

yeah I've been trying to find a "DOWNLOAD" button in lp like how github does it

to no avail

Marco Ceppi

If I can sanely figure out packaging I'll make a PPA for it

hour45.com/npchromifyosd.so

Jorge Castro

can't we put it in the extension store thing chrome has?

Marco Ceppi

:43324 the extension yes, the NPAPI needs to go through a review process

Jorge Castro

oh ok, so there's 2 parts, got it

ok I don't have a .mozilla/plugins

do I just make it?

Marco Ceppi

Make it

yeah

The parts are like this: the NPAPI basically replaces the Python script of @sil's first version

Jorge Castro

15:13

AAAHHHHH

Marco Ceppi

the extension is the one loaded via the "Developer Tools" the NPAPI will always be loaded when the browser starts - wether the extension is or not. So we can develop a number of different plugins to utilize passing events to notify-osd

We can also use the NPAPI with Mozilla and any other browser that supports it

So building a Firefox extension for webkitnotify is just porting current code to the Mozilla Extension format

Jorge Castro

oh man awesome

I can get chriscoulson to review the npapi thing

we can just add it to ubufox or whatever

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, now you know why I was like freaking out when I was reading about NPAPI it's awsome

sil

that's the idea. :)

Marco Ceppi

It's got one more thing it needs to be able to handle - the processing of the icon image. Since libnotify can't handle web urls. So libcurl it down and pixbuf it or something like that (maybe cache it to .cache)

Jorge Castro

15:16

ok test me out, marco can you ping me?

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro I tried it around 3am this morning and I was like "Nope, I'll let @GeorgeEdison do that one"

Jorge Castro

works!

Marco Ceppi

Great Success!

If I can get the background thing to work per @sil suggestion the extension will be done

Jorge Castro

ok, irccloud doesn't seem to work, but I bet that's site specific

Marco Ceppi

Link?

Not willing to bet it's site specific

Jorge Castro

15:21

irccloud.com

Marco Ceppi

Oh, I mean more specifically how can I test?

Jorge Castro

though the beta is currently closed down, sign up though and pm me your email address and I can ask the guy to let you in

Marco Ceppi

I used my main "Ubuntu" email: [email protected]

Jorge Castro

hey so some UX bits (chime in here sil)

shouldn't the title be something else

instead of "You were mentioned by Marco Ceppi"

or is that something the webapp just sends along?

Marco Ceppi

That's what the application sends to webkitnotifications as "title"

Jorge Castro

15:30

ah ok, so that's not our fault then

Marco Ceppi

for htmlnotification the extension does it's best guess as to what the titles is based on that one example of an html notification I saw

(aka first <b> dom element == title)

Jorge Castro

hey so I was talking to the irccloud guy

Marco Ceppi

Awesome got the invite

Jorge Castro

and he says that webkit allows for different styles

and that we should only override the default plain one

because app authors can define their own crazy crackrock ones

Marco Ceppi

So...don't override htmlNotifications?

TheX

15:35

brb

Jorge Castro

I guess

he says tweetdeck web uses a custom one

checking it out now

Jorge Castro

15:49

@MarcoCeppi man it's all skinned html crack rock

Marco Ceppi

Got a screen? I think it might be worth leaving stylized ones alone then. Likely will end up breaking their "functionality" or build a preference page that allows them to override sytlized ones or not

Is the tweetdeck from the Chrome webstore?

Jorge Castro

it is

it's ok, not as nice as seesmic

Marco Ceppi

It's an HTML notification

@sil OKay I'm convinced that when it comes to this I'm retarded. So I'm about to code in an ajax request from the injected page.js to the plugin because I'm not sure how else to get it in and out. I did finally cave and ask on SO though

1

Q: Access NPAPI from pages DOM

I'm attempting to override the default functionality for webkitNotifications.createNotification and via a Chrome extension I'm able to inject a script in the pages DOM that does so. Problem I'm having now is I need access to chrome.extension.sendRequest from the pages DOM in order to push my requ...

iamsid

16:06

1

Q: How do i completely get rid of gnome panel?

Possible Duplicate: Cannot delete Gnome Panel I wish to use wingpanel and take out gnome panel all together. How would i do this?

gnome-panel

Dupe Alert.

Marco Ceppi

Actually I wonder if I can just setup an even trap for each open tab from the background page...

Stefano Palazzo

3

Q: How can I get html code from the web with vala(gtk)?

How can I get a html code from some site(e.g. www.google.com) using vala(gtk)?

gtk html vala

Marco Ceppi

I'm going to let it stew for a few hours

see if anyone can give him a good answer

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi you can't migrate it to SO?

Marco Ceppi

I can - it's a matter of "Does it fit the site"

Vala is a language for Gnome developers, Gnome being the primary desktop environment shipped with Ubuntu I believe it fits under the category of "Ask Ubuntu, for users and developers"

Stefano Palazzo

16:16

Yes I see what you mean

Marco Ceppi

There's always going to be overlap between sites. What it boils down to according to the trilogy moderators: "If a user asks an on-topic question that could be migrated to another site (because it's also on topic) It should stay on the original site. The user made the decision to ask it there, not on SO:

So We're not going to expect a huge surge of questions from Super User or Server Fault just because they're Ubuntu related

Likewise SO, SF, SU aren't expecting a lot of questions to be moved just because they're Programming, Server, or (Whatever SU does) related :)

Same for Unix.se

Stefano Palazzo

makes perfect sense

I'll try to answer it :)

Marco Ceppi

:D

Okay going to step away from coding for some breakfastdinnerlunch

Jorge Castro

16:33

roland must really like docks!

Marco Ceppi

0

A: Mistaken dist-upgrade, is this bad?

What about this command? do-release-upgrade -d Is it better than doing a apt-get dist-upgrade or does just the same thing?

Not sure about that answer...

Stefano Palazzo

they are completely different

do-release-upgrade will upgrade to natty

Marco Ceppi

Damn @RolandTaylor You sure do have some intense docks! :D

Stefano Palazzo

I'm not mistaken am I? you forget after four months :P
but if some user tries this out, they'll have a bad time.

Marco Ceppi

:43403 I don't think that it'll go to natty...Natty isn't released yet!

TheX

16:38

that is a lot of dockage going on

Stefano Palazzo

Done Upgrade tool signature
Done Upgrade tool
Done downloading
extracting 'natty.tar.gz'
authenticate 'natty.tar.gz' against 'natty.tar.gz.gpg'
[sudo] password for stefano:

this is the tail of do-release-upgrade -d

Marco Ceppi

I don't believe it!

Tries in VM

Oh, duh -d is devel-release

Stefano Palazzo

yeah it is, just do-release-upgrade will tell you there's no new version

I'll comment using some bold, that should be enough don't you think?

Marco Ceppi

I am going to have @Jin enter a CSS rule for bold

Actually. I'm going to make a Chrome plugin for that

Stefano Palazzo

what do you mean?

Marco Ceppi

16:43

So the b CSS rule will have font-weight: none; aka no making it bold :)

Stefano Palazzo

Here in the chat you mean?

Marco Ceppi

No, on the main site

As a joke, mainly :)

Stefano Palazzo

But what If I want to randomly set words in bold so that my answer looks better and I get more credit-points?

:P

Marco Ceppi

:43422 When I look at it - I won't see any bold :P

fluteflute

(but everyone else will see the bold unless they have the chrome plugin installed)

Stefano Palazzo

16:47

I like the bold; either it's appropriate, or it gives me an indication to edit a post

Ugly text says "make me better", thinking positively :)

Marco Ceppi

I think that would make a great april fools joke

have Jin insert a JS function that randomly bolds phrases all over the site

fluteflute

Do SE have a history of "celebrating" April fool's?

Stefano Palazzo

ha! :D

Marco Ceppi

Yes!

Stefano Palazzo

that'll mean we all lose a lot of rep on april 1st

Marco Ceppi

16:49

Stack Overflow Blog: Reminder: It’s April 1st

Posted by Jeff Atwood on March 31st, 2010

Depending on what time zone you live in, it may be April 1st, aka April Fools’ Day!

April Fools’ Day or All Fools’ Day is a holiday celebrated in various countries on April 1. The day is marked by the commission of hoaxes and other practical jokes of varying sophistication on friends, family members, enemies, and neighbors, or sending them on a fool’s errand, the aim of which is to embarrass the gullible.

Update:

Do you remember last year’s April Fools’ joke? That one added a cornify button to every post. …

Stefano Palazzo

goes to look how long he's been at SE

TheX

why are we all going to loose a lot of rep on 4/1?

Stefano Palazzo

"have Jin insert a JS function that randomly bolds phrases all over the site" → makes post look stupid

or strident, shrill, like screaming

Marco Ceppi

Or important!

Jorge Castro

I hate the internet on april 1st

Stefano Palazzo

16:51

yes that too :)

Marco Ceppi

Can't forget how important it makes you look

fluteflute

Swapping bold and italics would be an interesting April Fool's joke...

or changing the site name to "Ask Fedora" or something similar..

Stefano Palazzo

Ask Slackware, replacing every occurance of Ubuntu with Slackware

Marco Ceppi

I was going to say - it would be funny to make Ubuntu look like it was merged with Unix & Linux

Stefano Palazzo

that's a fantastic idea @fluteflute :)

iamsid

16:53

70

Q: What question would you have asked as an April Fool?

Please read this through before voting to close. There's method in my madness... April 1st is rapidly approaching, and I suspect many Stack Overflow regulars will have been considering what to ask as a "prank" question. I have nothing against good humour, but I think it makes sense to concentrat...

so-family fun humor april-fools

Stefano Palazzo

I can't answer that Vala question. I gave up when I realised I'd have to basically learn Vala to answer it...

don't have the patience for that at the minute. maybe later

I really notice the popularity of python and ruby after that experience

Roland Taylor

:43404 haha yep I love docks :P

TheX

want to see my dock?

Roland Taylor

sure

TheX

Roland Taylor

17:01

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I lurve it :D

ppa?

Marco Ceppi

My stupid dock.

TheX

I forgot what the ppa is

Roland Taylor

17:16

lol

D:! MAC! D:! GAH!

TheX

if you had to recommend a laptop from best buy or wal-mart with the price range of say 750$ what would it be?

Marco Ceppi

:43463 Oh, no. I wish. It's just a real mac.

:43464 HP dv7

Roland Taylor

lolol

I have a dv7

I'd recommend it :P

except the overheating problem

Marco Ceppi

Compressed air - fixed it for me

Roland Taylor

so make sure you know how to clean the dust out (if you live in a dust prone area)

Stefano Palazzo

17:18

@MarcoCeppi can you help me really quickly? I need a way to visually scan a network on Mac OS X, is there something?

got my sister on the phone...

Marco Ceppi

Visually scan a network?

Stefano Palazzo

she needs to find the IP of her internet gateway

Marco Ceppi

that's in ifconfig

Stefano Palazzo

How do you open a terminal?

(lol)

Marco Ceppi

Applications -> Utilites -> Terminal

Is she wireless or wired?

Stefano Palazzo

17:19

wired

Marco Ceppi

OPH

STOP

Applications -> Utilities -> Network Utility

It's a GUI

TheX

@MarcoCeppi this one?

walmart.com/ip/HP-XH113UA-ABA/15063377

Marco Ceppi

Roland Taylor

:43486 did you have to pick down your laptop to clean it?

Marco Ceppi

:43488 That's good enough IMO - this is the one I own

woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=7656

I also bought my almost a year ago

Stefano Palazzo

17:24

@MarcoCeppi thank you very much! that worked very well

considering :)

fluteflute

We should start a new site

2

"Ask Marco"

3

Roland Taylor

lol

yes

Marco Ceppi

haha

TheX

we should, someone should propose it..

Roland Taylor

fluteflute can propose it :D

Marco Ceppi

17:27

Damn, askmarco.com is taken :P

fluteflute

I could but I somehow don't think we'd get enough followers....

@MarcoCeppi The guy who registered it has an @mac.com email....

Marco Ceppi

Ask Marco

:43505 Macs have forsaken me again!!!

fluteflute

Get shapado on there ;)

Marco Ceppi

>.>

TheX

how did the mac forsake you...

i am sure it isn't anything nearly as bad as FedEx sending my Ipads back to apple/...

iamsid

17:30

Steve Jobs

@ceoSteveJobs, Apple

More than meets the i. As you should expect from a parody account.

725 tweets, 385k followers, following 50 users

Marco Ceppi

Going to spend 30 minutes building ask marco.

Stefano Palazzo

+1 :)

George Edison

@Marco: Morning... did you make any further progress last night?

Roland Taylor

:43514 how did you clean your dv7?

:43516 hi

George Edison

Hey.

Marco Ceppi

17:34

:43516 I didn't touch the NPAPI - I tried for like 10 minutes with libcurl but gave up

George Edison

Oh, I will do that.

I used libcurl in so++.

It's tricky.

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, that's an understatement :P

George Edison

I looked at your question on SO.

Marco Ceppi

As of right now the extension works - but you can see my reasons why I want it otherwise

TheX

be back in a bit

Jorge Castro

17:43

@MarcoCeppi did you end up getting that invite?

Marco Ceppi

:43528 Oh yeah! A few hours ago actually

Jorge Castro

sweet

George Edison

@Marco: Okay if chromify-osd just saves the image to /tmp?

Marco Ceppi

Yes and no. Problem is disk space issue

sil

@MarcoCeppi did you work it out?

Marco Ceppi

17:53

Ideally there would need to be a clean up some how

George Edison

How about this...

Marco Ceppi

@sil Nope, I'm just not getting it to click

1

Q: Access NPAPI from pages DOM

I'm attempting to override the default functionality for webkitNotifications.createNotification and via a Chrome extension I'm able to inject a script in the pages DOM that does so. Problem I'm having now is I need access to chrome.extension.sendRequest from the pages DOM in order to push my requ...

javascript google-chrome google-chrome-extension

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi Thanks a lot for that, we found it straight away. (I now feel your pain)

sil

@MarcoCeppi I think that injecting cs.js and doing all the work in there, and not having page.js, might be a good idea. cs.js is a content script, so it gets injected automatically, and you can specify when it's injected.

sil

@MarcoCeppi what's the code I should branch to work on it?

George Edison

17:54

...each image is freed when the next image is downloaded?

That way, there's only ever one image in /tmp.

Marco Ceppi

:43540 The extension is in lp:chromify-osd/extension branch

:43542 Yeah, that sounds like it'll work

:43539 Are you saying injecting at the top would be a better case?

sil

@MarcoCeppi yeah, just working on it. Where do I get the actual .so ?

sil

and where do I put it once I've got it? :)

Marco Ceppi

You can pull it from lp:chromify-osd/npapi in the bin folder Just cp bin/*.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/

George Edison

18:09

It works!

I got libCURL to download the image.

...and then libnotify displays it.

Now the only thing left is simple error checking.

Marco Ceppi

:43552 Booyah! BTW - fetch the lp:chromify-osd/npapi branch again (not the george-edison55 one) I moved my "trunk" branch and pushed the npapi one into ownership of chromify-osd-team

George Edison

Okay.

txwikinger

Howdy

George Edison

I'll see what's there.

@txwikinger: Hey.

txwikinger

:43557 Hi George

George Edison

18:13

@Marco: Slight change in API now... the notify() function now returns a boolean indicating success or failure.

It could mean that either libCURL failed or that libnotify ran into trouble.

sil

@MarcoCeppi ok, nearly done with background page work; just let me poke it and I'll push a branhc so you can see.

Marco Ceppi

:43559 Sweet, that's a good idea. We can fall back to the default webkit function incase it fails

George Edison

...or report an error somehow.

Marco Ceppi

I think it's better to just fail silently and regress back to defaults instead of throwing an error. No one wins with an error

George Edison

Ya, I guess you're right.

sil

18:20

ah. Right, I see the problem that @MarcoCeppi is having. :)

Marco Ceppi

It reall is grating. I keep feeling like you should be able to do this

sil

the content script can override window.webkitNotifications, but it's not the same window.webkitNotifications that the page sees, because of the isolated world.

Marco Ceppi

So it's overridding the window.webkitNot that runs in the scope of the extension and not the tab?

sil

so we need to inject page.js and then have it fire a custom event. Working on it.

Marco Ceppi

bows

sil

18:21

yes. Or possibly it's overriding a window.webkitNotifications in the isolated world.

sil

custom event ftw. Give me 10 minutes :)

Marco Ceppi

If you do get it, you should answer the question on SO and get some mad rep

DoR

Are unanswered questions supposed to be sorted by score instead of date?

fluteflute

:43575 Depends what you have selected

George Edison

@Marco: I can have notify() return a string indicating the error if necessary... though if we're just planning to swallow it up, it'll only be usefull for debugging.

fluteflute

18:31

My Tags/Newest/Votes/No Answer

DoR

@fluteflute I am talking about this page askubuntu.com/questions?sort=unanswered

Marco Ceppi

@DoR The idea is - higher scored unasnwerd questions are actually worth being answered

just because it's old doesn't mean it's really worth being answered

George Edison

The problem is that it's not returning an error for certain requests.

Marco Ceppi

I think just a boolean is fine

George Edison

libCurl will happily report success in downloading http://badhost

DoR

18:34

@MarcoCeppi IIRC it used to show unanswered from most recent to oldest, when did they change that?

George Edison

So something is afoul here.

Marco Ceppi

@DoR sometime between then and now :P

fluteflute

:43579 Oh... not sure

Marco Ceppi

They've been update-crazy for the last 3 weeks

TheX

anyone have an iOS device?

Marco Ceppi

18:34

Moderator tools have gotten huge upgrades so I'm not surprised it's changed

George Edison

fluteflute

:43591 You can convert answers into comments!

George Edison

@fluteflute: Yeah, I haven't tried it yet.

Marco Ceppi

:43593 Yup! and the community user now flags posts

Jorge Castro

hmmm

George Edison

18:38

@Marco: They do? How?

Jorge Castro

do I suck at search or do we not have "How do I install nvidia drivers?"

fluteflute

:43595 Explain that one? I'm confused...

Marco Ceppi

:43597 Based on newnes of a user, content score of their...content, and several other factors

George Edison

@Marco: You like the screenshot? Notice the URL in the icon field.

Marco Ceppi

We get like 4 flags an hour now tanks to that jerk. I'll take a screenshot of the Community user when it happens again

@GeorgeEdison HELL. YES. (push! :D)

fluteflute

18:40

:43602 Oh I see. Nice idea

George Edison

Sure.

Marco Ceppi

Actually you can just drop the .so in the bin/ folder

George Edison

Make sure you have the dev package for cURL installed.

TheX

what jerk?

Marco Ceppi

that way I don't have to compile it myself

George Edison

18:40

:43608 images.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/…

fluteflute

:43608 The "Community user" (or in other words computer)

Marco Ceppi

That's the only difference between your repo and the chromify-osd-team repo

George Edison

I'm gonna get in trouble for that one...

@Marco: I can't push. LP is down.

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison LOL Someone flagged you :P

George Edison

Hmmm... was it you?

Are you really secretly working for Apple?

:P

TheX

18:43

coughs wasn't me coughs

Marco Ceppi

It's anonymous and while I'm sure it was a joke, I respect the anomimity of this change

George Edison

It's coughs with an 'o'.

>

"bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "Cannot lock LockDir(lp-69966800:///~george-edison55/chromify-osd/npapi/.bzr/branchlock): File exists: u'/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/mirrors/00/06/57/2f/.bzr/branch/lock': [Errno 17] File exists: '/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/mirrors/00/06/57/2f/.bzr/branch/lock'")"

^--- what's holding me up.

Marco Ceppi

:43622 Don't know, just do bzr push lp:chromify-osd/npapi

Everytime I get that error I have to delete the repo

I hate it (and strongly dislike Bzr)

George Edison

So how do I fix it?

Delete my copy of the repo. and recreate it?

Marco Ceppi

Delete the repo

George Edison

18:48

My copy?

Marco Ceppi

Or push to the chromify-osd-team branch :P

yes, your copy

George Edison

Hang on...

> "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/george-edison55/chromify-osd/npapi/"."

:P

Jorge Castro

I had that same stupid error

George Edison

Can we fix it?

I can't even PULL the code now.

Marco Ceppi

You need to reset up the relation ship to the branch names.

Here they are, either specify push or pull to lp:chromify-osd/npapi

George Edison

18:51

I'm lost.

Marco Ceppi

code.launchpad.net/chromify-osd

George Edison

I got that page open.

Marco Ceppi

Terminal -> bzr pull lp:chromify-osd/npapi

TheX

points @GeorgeEdison to the lost and found box

Marco Ceppi

bzr push lp:chromify-osd/npapi

George Edison

18:52

Tried that.

Complete failure.

Marco Ceppi

Error?

TheX

I think i am going to go home and try to master final fantasy 7 tonight after work

George Edison

> "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~marco-ceppi/chromify-osd/trunk/"."

:P

Marco Ceppi

Drop the npapi from the end then

George Edison

Okay.

Marco Ceppi

18:53

Frustration with LP is enormous

George Edison

I know...

Same error.

"Not a branch."

Something is really messed up.

Marco Ceppi

Why couldn't Canonical just invest in Github

George Edison

I knew someone would say that...

@Jorge: HELP!!!

Launchpad is broken.

Marco Ceppi

Try lp:~chromify-osd-team/chromify-osd/npapi

George Edison

K.

Jorge Castro

18:55

dunno what is broken

Marco Ceppi

For some reason it's pointing to my user when all the branches are owned by ~chromify-osd-team not ~marco-ceppi anymore

George Edison

Still broken.

> "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~marco-ceppi/chromify-osd/trunk/"."

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro If you look at code.launchpad.net/chromify-osd each branch is setup to ~chromify-osd-team

George Edison

I'm gonna take a few minutes break.

@reply me if you figure it out.

Marco Ceppi

code.launchpad.net/~chromify-osd-team/chromify-osd/npapi

Says ' get this with bzr branch lp:chromify-osd

development@becks-imac: ~/Projects$ bzr branch lp:chromify-osd
bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~marco-ceppi/chromify-osd/trunk/".

sil

18:59

@MarcoCeppi, ping

Marco Ceppi

@sil pong

sil

sorry, I said 10 minutes and it took me 35. I suck :)

sil

lp:~sil/chromify-osd/extension-in-background

Marco Ceppi

It's fine, LP is keeping me busy

sil

be aware! it is not a mergeable branch

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