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Journeyman Geek

15:01

or just start a new room for it

We did that for testing our bot

terdon

@MarkYisri as a general rule, if you want a bot, put it where it doesn't bother anyone else. So make a new room for it.

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 you have been using GitHub, how do you push changes from the command line?

Okay, thanks @terdon

terdon

@MarkYisri git push

Zacharee1

no idea

I use it online

Mark Yisri

thanks again @terdon

Severus Tux

15:03

hi all :D

Mark Yisri

@SeverusTux check this out: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/47256/the-coyotes-den

cl-netbox

Hello everybody ! :)

Mark Yisri

@cl-netbox you can check it out too

Severus Tux

@cl-netbox Hi :)

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux Hey my friend - how are you ? How are the results from exams last week ? 100 out of 100 as expected ? :D

Severus Tux

15:11

hahah :) . don't know the results yet.

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux okay ... but it won't be less than 99 I guess ! :D

Severus Tux

Participated in 24Hr Hackathon conducted by NASSCOM .

Saturday-Sunday

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux wow ! :)

Severus Tux

Oh... man :D Getting " linux-4.8.4-1 " today :D

Mark Yisri

@SeverusTux hard to believe we're at 4.8 already

Severus Tux

15:19

@MarkYisri today's update on arch

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux I am having 4.8 since October, 13th ! :)

@SeverusTux hahaha ... ubuntu beats arch on that this time ! :D

Severus Tux

nah..

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 want to come over to the CoyoteBot room? chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/47256/the-coyotes-den

Severus Tux

I believe its 4.8.1 you are using @cl-netbox

cl-netbox

@ParanoidPanda yes I used it on 16.04 ... in the moment I am back to ambiance on 16.10 ... :)

Mark Yisri

15:22

If you'd like to be a collaborator on the CoyoteBot project, please send me an email at [email protected] or tell me here and we'll make arrangements

The system used for hosting is Cloud9

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux yes I think so too ... :)

Severus Tux

how do you guys get ascii diagrams look good here ? its messed up when I paste here.

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< hi >
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eeww...

cl-netbox

@MarkYisri What can your bot be used for ? noob question maybe ... I know ... :D

Mark Yisri

@cl-netbox Good question.

I'm not sure what I'll use it for yet. But I am open to ideas from the public

terdon

@SeverusTux make it code

Mark Yisri

15:25

See if you can see this link: ide.c9.io/markyisri65/coyotebot

cl-netbox

Hi terdon ! :)

terdon

hey :)

Severus Tux

@terdon hi :) how to do that ? Ctrl+k ? " `` " ? 4spaces ?

Mark Yisri

@SeverusTux nice ASCII!

terdon

@SeverusTux 4 spaces. But when you paste a multiline string in chat, you get a "fixed font" button on the right, next to the "upload" one. Click on it.

Severus Tux

15:28

checkout "cowsay" command. seems like everyone here knows it. I came across it now.

@terdon okay. thanks :)

Mark Yisri

@SeverusTux cowsay command?

Severus Tux

sudo apt-get install cowsay

Mark Yisri

@Zacharee1 you have an invite to see the code in action

Thomas Ward

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(that's all from me, I'm just gonna drift into the shadows again)

Severus Tux

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cl-netbox

15:31

@MarkYisri @SeverusTux What about sudo apt install hollywood ? :D

Severus Tux

i'll try it now

solsTiCe

hi. I want to compile and use PIL 1.1.7 (because pillow as a bug triggered in GAE). but the setup file does even find jpeg or png support. I got this: paste.ubuntu.com/23370115

Severus Tux

let me check AUR

@cl-netbox are you sure about the command ?

not in Arch repos.

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux yes of course ! :)

@SeverusTux but in ubuntu repos ! :)

Severus Tux

Ah.. here it is : aur.archlinux.org/packages/hollywood

cl-netbox

15:34

@SeverusTux : apt policy hollywood
hollywood:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 1.9-0ubuntu1
Version table:
1.9-0ubuntu1 500
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe amd64 Packages
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe i386 Packages

Severus Tux

Oh.. I need to wait to install it. kernel update going on.

@cl-netbox hm.. needs many deps. what does it do ? ascii pictures ?

==> Installing missing dependencies...
error: target not found: byobu
error: target not found: jp2a
error: target not found: speedometer

:P

cl-netbox

@SeverusTux byobu is great - I once recommeded it to you ... and here you can read something about hollywood -> blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/05/…

@SeverusTux It is more a fun kind of thing ... here is the source : github.com/dustinkirkland/hollywood

Severus Tux

16:03

@MarkYisri have you tried this :
telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

Byte Commander

16:27

yowsup

Mark Yisri

@SeverusTux interesting

Anyone know of an easy to retarget C compiler?

or assembler?

I'm working on a project and I want to retarget an assembler/compiler for a different architecture?

Zacharee1

I just saw a Verizon ad saying to buy the Google Pixel, "only on Verizon"

Thomas Ward

16:52

@solsTiCe I am pretty certain you didn't get prerequisite libraries, is there documentation for PIL 1.1.7 and installing and it's prerequisites?

edwinksl

17:12

3

Zanna

@edwinksl love that :)

edwinksl

Kumbali and Kago, Cheetah Cub & Puppy Friendship

►

aww

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

17:43

nevermind.

Edity

18:05

Yawn good morning

and what do we have here, my inbox is full

err

whats coyotebot?

Android Dev

@edwinksl That's great!

Edity

@Zacharee1 lol, don't buy it from version buy it from google only :P

Verizon sucks

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Verizon is the only carrier Google is working with, but you can still by it unlocked from the Google store.

Edity

I saw one of those Windows phones in a mobile store

waiting for 10:00 so I can YELL AT LG.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

should i get op3 or pixel?

Edity

18:17

THEY MAKE HORRIBLE PRODUCTS THAT BREAK EASILLY

@DmitryKudriavtsev depends

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

ok

Android Dev

0

Q: Partition empty when connection Iphone 7 in Ubuntu 16.04

I'm trying to connect the Iphone 7 to Ubuntu 16.04. Apparently it has no problem mounting the device, but the partition seems to be empty, there are no folders and I can't access my photos or transfer music. I did give it permission to trust the computer in the Iphone. Thanks

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I'm installing frickin LFS

Why? I don't know

Edity

@AndroidDev lolz

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

Why are all these questions so noobish?

Android Dev

18:19

@DmitryKudriavtsev Pixel cause the better CPU and amazing camera.

@DmitryKudriavtsev Good question.

Edity

Notenoughresearch.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

It's $250 more though. Is the CPU and camera really worth $250?

Edity

and probably newbies are plaguing askubuntu, doing no research whatsoever.

Erm

whai am I signed in to chat and not askubuntu

Android Dev

@DmitryKudriavtsev It's a hard choice, I'll admit. Because the OP3 has a second SIM slot and an SD card reader. But then the Pixel's Snapdragon 821 is supposedly 40% more energy efficient, and you are always the first to get the Android updates...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

OP3 does not actually have a SD card reader.

Edity

18:22

My watch has snapdragon :D

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I also don't want to spend so much money.

Android Dev

@DmitryKudriavtsev Oh, I could've sworn it had a multi-purpose SIM tray.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

That was the OP1/2

Android Dev

@DmitryKudriavtsev Then get a brand new sealed in box Nexus 5 on ebay for $165 and flash a custom ROM.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

I also want a semi-fast CPU and NFC

Android Dev

18:24

@DmitryKudriavtsev The Nexus 5's Snapdragon 800 is pretty zippy, and it has NFC.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

800. hmm

Does it have quick charge?

Only 16gb no deal

Android Dev

@DmitryKudriavtsev USB OTG to the rescue.

Edity

My android wear has Qualcomm snapdragon but I don't know what it does.

i know it's a processor

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@AndroidDev Doesnt matter still cant store apps on a flashdrive

Edity

but idk what the features of snapdragon does.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

18:26

@Edity Your smartwatch is a tiny ARM based computer! Congratulations

Edity

@DmitryKudriavtsev :D

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

It's running a slimmed down version of Android with a custom skin!

Android Dev

@DmitryKudriavtsev If you need 12+ GB of apps, you should be using your laptop.

Fabby

@edwinksl I actually petted a Cheetah once...

Awesome! You can actually feel their black spots!

Edity

If you need a slim version of android, Get a moto 360.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

18:28

@AndroidDev Hearthstone, Facebook, Messenger, my music collection and some photos, together with all my other apps

Takes upp all the space on my iPhone 4S

Edity

You play Hearthstone?!?

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

ya

Edity

O_0

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

It's like 3GB after updates

Edity

yeah.

Anyways time to yell at LG.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

18:29

why?

Edity

WISH ME LUCK

my watch kept turning off automatically

its annoying

TheXed

19:32

Sweet now all I need is a outdoor camera...

and not a web cam

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

gopro?

TheXed

Nope....raspberry pi.

or was the go pro a suggetion

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

yes

TheXed

I need something like...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

like what?

TheXed

19:37

amazon.com/ELP-1megapixel-Vandal-proof-Industrial-Security-cctv/…

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

then get that

TheXed

I want something that is a little higher then 1mp though...

looks like that i about my only choice...

edwinksl

20:15

@Fabby woah i never came that close to one ever

Zanna

anyone feeling generous with CVs? askubuntu.com/questions/405537/…

Zanna

20:31

many thanks ^_^

edwinksl

:D

WinEunuuchs2Unix

20:46

Hey @Zanna sorry I was frustrated yesterday in Close Review!

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix no problem :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna Thanks for forgiving me!

Zanna

have you seen our meta post? meta.askubuntu.com/questions/16236/…

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I can't join close review until tonight though because of the 24 hour limit. No I haven't seen that link but I'll read it now.

Zanna

at the moment we are at the end of a batch of questions - we uploaded the first thousand and we are trying to clear the last 100 or so tricky ones - most of these don't have upvotable answers and many need to be closed imho, so we are sending more traffic than usual to the queue

if you don't want to review them, please take full advantage of my best friend in review, the skip button ;)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

21:02

@Zanna I do use the <kbd>Skip</kbd> button when I have no knowledge on the subject matter but I can't help myself from jumping up and down in excitement when I know the answer :D

Hmm... no keyboard key highlighting??? Anyway I posted an answer on your link.

Zanna

I made that button with this structure [tag:button]

it's supposed to be for tags, but works for buttons

I downvoted your answer and commented. Please don't take the downvote personally - it's just disagreement

and really I should raise it with @Zacharee1

it's far more important imho that stuff that needs to be closed gets closed than that the queue comes down

I appreciate his efforts to motivate folks to review

and I am very grateful to folks who review

edwinksl

@WinEunuuchs2Unix the age of a question is not a problem per se

Zanna

it's awesome that the queue went down due to @Zacharee1's challenge

but the size of the queue is a symptom, not a problem

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@edwinksl We want to clean up questions that people are going to see first I think. So if it's a question about a Compaq 386 using Ubuntu 9.0 (whatever) pretty much no one will see it today.

Zanna

the problem is not enough people doing review (if there is a problem)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

21:09

@Zanna I agree... perhaps points should be awarded for review... Like I know many people did edits to gain points but after you hit 2000 you get none.

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix that's fine, if you're not interested in cleaning up old queues, then please skip and review what you prefer to spend your votes on

edwinksl

rep for doing reviews has been debated ad nauseam in MSE

the consensus is no, and i agree

Zanna

but it would be extremely difficult for me to adjust the timing of my cleanup efforts to periods when the queue is small @WinEunuuchs2Unix

I strongly agree, no rep for review is right

and since people can skip, I don't see a problem

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna I want to be a team player and help out the best I can in the old queue too.

Zanna

:)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

21:12

That's why I suggested have old queue in a separate section with a separate 20 day maximum.

@edwinksl then why are their points for suggested edits (2 points each) until the user hits 2000?

I've seen suggested edits changing "Im" to "I'm" which is just plain silly way of making 2 points.

Zanna

I think it's too much to have another queue.... I already spend a big part of my day doing review...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna are you saying you aren't limited to 20 votes per day per queue review like I am?

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix my take is that you get rep for things that can be peer reviewed

edwinksl

@WinEunuuchs2Unix the person proposing the edit gets +2, not the person approving the edit

Zanna

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I am, but it takes me a long time :(

edwinksl

21:15

i am not sure how that is relevant to your suggestion that "points should be awarded for review"

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@edwinksl I guess my point is they will suggest an edit for points sake not for the worthyfulness of the suggested edit until they hit 2,000 and after that they loose interest. It's human nature.

Zanna

reviewing can't be meaningfully peer reviewed, so open to abuse if rep is given

WinEunuuchs2Unix

(no pun intended on "my point" phrase)

Edity

GRR

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna agreed, which is why I suggest taking away 2 points for suggested edit... give a nice shiny gold badge instead after 100.

(no pun intended at "suggest")

edwinksl

21:17

@WinEunuuchs2Unix we can argue about this but this is irrelevant to awarding rep for reviews. you have to remember the difference between the person proposing something that gets reviewed and the person doing the review

Zanna

but suggested edits are peer reviewed...

I reject them if they are really trivial

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I've been chastised for saying what you just said.

edwinksl

everyone has a different idea of what a trivial edit is

WinEunuuchs2Unix

After that I approved every proposed comma and period and capital letter.

Zanna

hahaha

Nathan Osman

21:20

o/

Edity

Hi Nathan.

Zanna

folks have different views as @edwinksl says on how to review edits

hi @NathanOsman

Edity

(I'm so mad)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Indeed the faster the person gets to 2,000 points the sooner his/her trivial edit suggestions will go away so it behooves me to speed it up.

Zanna

hahaha

WinEunuuchs2Unix

21:21

(You're allowed to be crazy @Edity because there are no knives in this room)

Zanna

I think I err on the side of generous sometimes, and improve a lot of edits I possibly should have rejected

TheXed

/me puts his sharp objects away...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

In this room it's not "death from a thousand knives" it's "death from a thousand bytes" :D

Zanna

but I think editing is really helpful, even if people are just trying and drawing attention to posts in need of editing it's helping the site

and +2 is a pretty minuscule rep-gain

edwinksl

@WinEunuuchs2Unix do keep in mind that 2 rep is nothing much. whoever wants to get to 2k via just edits will have to put in a lot of time. i don't get nightmares with giving out +2 more easily than what someone else would prefer

TheXed

21:23

@WinEunuuchs2Unix rim shot please.

Zanna

now I can edit at will, I make all kinds of rather trivial edits, so I am inclined to approve minor ones if I would have bothered to make them myself

WinEunuuchs2Unix

For me, I let a lot of posts slide when I was <2000 and could have suggested edits to make 2 points... But I'm cut from a different cloth I guess, I made 25 points 4 times today solving questions with answers.

@edwinksl I feel the same way as you now :)

TheXed

I just do it for the badges...

Zanna

sure, nobody can edit everything :)

it's a community effort

TheXed

@Zanna I am pretty close to editing everything :=P

Zanna

21:25

and if you can answer instead, then rock on

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheXed Yeah I just learned yesterday you get badges at review hitting 100 so I did all my "first posts" "late posts" stuff I've ignored over the last fornight in favour of close votes only.

I maxed out all my queues :D

Zanna

Also, you can only get 1000 total rep from editing, so it's impossible to reach 2k just by editing, ftr

@WinEunuuchs2Unix wow, awesome ^_^

thanks for your epic efforts reviewing & answering...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

TY.. yeah you can only get 200 total rep points a day as well... so this morning I was thinking "please don't accept until tomorrow"...LOL

Edity

@WinEunuuchs2Unix lol there is sharp things.... the sharp thing is me being whacked by a banhammer.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

It's funny at many stores they offer me a points card, and I say "no thanks I don't believe in points"...LMAO.

Edity

21:29

Prepare for crazyness

AHHHHHHH LG

YOU PIECE OF USELESS CRAP

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Edity Yeah I've been banned so many times I've lost count... I just write it off as my political enemies have spies everywhere with <kbd>Ban</kbd> keys.

Even Twitter banned me as being a robot and typing too fast.

Edity

WHY DO YOU NOT APPLY OVERSEAS WARRENTIES...

ARRRRRRRRGHHHHH

IM SO MAR THAT I WANT TO BLOW THEIR HQ UP

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Grey Market stuff.... price points are different... warranty voided.

TheXed

@WinEunuuchs2Unix what are you selling on the grey market?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheXed I'm the one that gets sold... I don't need to sell anything... It is Edity that bought something cheap from overseas and discovered his warranty is void.

TheXed

21:37

@WinEunuuchs2Unix oh I will give you 5 bucks for you.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@TheXed I'm frugal, I'm not cheap!!!!

TheXed

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I am frugal too...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Nope if you want to buy me for 5 bucks instead of 5 billion you and your backers are CHEAP!@!!!

Even the last guy offered $100 million from his backers to get me to quit smoking.

Edity

21:52

O_o

Anyone got rickrolled?

edwinksl

it is a great song

Mateo

@NathanOsman have you seen this snapdrop.net

It is like a webpage version of nitroshare

Nathan Osman

22:17

I think I might have seen that.

Don't worry. I have something similar planned.

Serg

since bloody when does git send my changes to files by itself ?

Nathan Osman

It isn't supposed to.

Serg

Well, I don't know how but the changes i made to udisks indicator , which were just for testing purposes, found its way into update somehow

IanC

good evening

Serg

I don't recall committing any changes to remote , so . . . there's some git config , or somebody is messing with me

IanC

22:25

guys, I'm trying to make a shortcut to a bash that doesn't store the commands in the history file, just when I want to run quick errands without filling the file with unnecessary stuff

I thought about creating a keyboard shortcut for the command HISTFILE='' bash or maybe sh -c "HISTFILE='' bash

and creating an alias too

but it doesn't seem to work, actually I didn't manage to make any custom shortcut work (not even writing /bin/bash to Command).. Do I have to enable it?

Serg

i think it should be done via .inputrc . . . but not sure

IanC

6

A: Keyboard shortcuts don't work

Your gnome-settings-daemon isn't starting on boot, for some reason. The workaround to that is to add gnome-settings-daemon to Startup Applications or add it as a .desktop entry, into /home/yourusername/.config/autostart/ directory. The .desktop entry could be named gnome-settings-daemon.desktop a...

I just noticed the daemon isn't up, maybe it is the cause?

Serg

13

Q: How to change previous/next word shortcut in bash?

How do I configure Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-Right as previous/next word shortcuts for bash (currently alt-b and alt-f)?

bash keyboard-shortcuts

IanC

weird that that would still be an issue on 16.04..

Serg

@IanC well ,where did you set that shortcut first of all ? If you only want it for bash, use the question i linked just now . If you want it to be global for all apps, use the one with gnome-settings-daemon

If you're using unity, then check if unity-settings-daemon is running

IanC

22:33

unity-settings is up, no unity-settings-daemon. I just set it through System Settings->Keyboard->Shortcuts

I want it to be global, so I can open terminal like Ctrl+Alt+T but for a terminal that doesn't store the history, like Ctrl+Super+T or something else

I tried adding it in the custom shortcuts, with the command sh -c HISTFILE="" bash (was not sure if I could just use HISTFILE="" bash) but it didn't work

I tried something like /bin/bash just for testing and it didn't work neither

I've seem a guy that got it to work by logging out and back in after setting the shortcut, I'll try that

Serg

hold on, ill need to reinstall gnome-terminal

user136984

Well, goodnight folks! :)

Serg

@IanC what you want to do is a wrapper script , which will have export HISTFILE="" on one line, and on the other exec gnome-terminal

user136984

I finished watching the Third US Presidential debate earlier today... Awful stuff...

user136984

Hope neither of them get in! :D

Serg

22:42

@IanC this

#!/bin/bash
export HISTFILE=""
exec gnome-terminal -e bash

Mateo

Have you opened chrome this session?

Serg

uh . . . .i am in chrome right now @Mateo

proxylist.hidemyass.com is still blank

Guys, I think HMA got screw'd

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Serg "HMA"?

Serg

@WinEunuuchs2Unix hidemyass.com , that's a VPN and proxy service. I've been using their proxy time to time, but their proxy list has been blank for 2 days already , which kind of smells bad news

WinEunuuchs2Unix

It's so unfair I worked hard to get most points for week (ok it's only Sunday) and I've only just tied Anwar but he's shows as first place... I think new losers.. um err I mean users... like me should be in first place when there is a tie. askubuntu.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=week

@Serg lots of companies go out of business every day.

Serg

22:50

@WinEunuuchs2Unix no, this is not something unusual.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

first you say bad news, then you say it's not unusual... which one is it?

oh wait... you said "no" "not" "unusual", let me get my xor calculator out :)

Serg

@WinEunuuchs2Unix you're forgetting that English ain't my first language. What I mean to say is that their list being blank for two days already is something suspicious.

Bad

IanC

@Serg Logging off didn't work for the shortcut :/

My first thought was a wrapper, but I thought I could do it in an even easier way (alias + unity shortcuts)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Serg ain't ain't a word :)

On the other had isn't is a word.... My good deed for the day to ESL (English as a Second Language)...hehe

IanC

ain't is a word, just not an official one maybe? :p

I mean, slangs are words, some even find their way into official dictionaries, just informal language

Edity

22:59

Ahh, nice ramen

Serg

It is a word, of type contraction, informal

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