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Roland Taylor

00:00

D:

LuC1F3R

ok then i`m the first Romanian guy? :)

Roland Taylor

trolling is not good!

bad Marco bad!!!

Marco Ceppi

Trolling as in I'm in here almost all the time :P

Roland Taylor

oh

I notice >:D

Marco Ceppi

@LuC1F3R Quite possibly - at least the first one to mention it in chat! :p

Roland Taylor

00:02

feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/BZoFh9-Z_C8 <---- argh

LuC1F3R

ok then a good nite (is correct...or night?) to all and take care (sorry for my bad english... :D

Roland Taylor

night

nite is more fun though

LuC1F3R

what meens argh?

Roland Taylor

:12552 askubuntu.com/questions/10599/… I think this should be closed

argh is an expression

like oh my gosh

Marco Ceppi

:12553 I'm not sure - I like the workspace idea though

Roland Taylor

00:04

or damn

I like the workspace idea too

Marco Ceppi

:12558 That was closed

Roland Taylor

but limiting to 4 is bad for me

:12564 oh thanks

Marco Ceppi

Ah, yes that would be terrible. I use a 3x3 grid at work

Roland Taylor

I use 4x3

guess Natty will make us all hackers lol

LuC1F3R

if i alredy i`m here, i ask you whay firefox work so bad on linux and so hard??? i thinking to use Chromium but she take a lot of RAM usage... work fast but take to much RAM

Roland Taylor

00:06

use firefox 4 from a ppa

1 minute let me find the ppa for you

LuC1F3R

ok i wait

Marco Ceppi

:12570 Firefox is really a hit or miss thing for most people. Firefox for me (on Ubuntu) has worked GREAT since the 2.5 release of Firefox. Chrome works equally as well. However, I know some people absolutely can't stand Firefox's performance in Ubuntu - likewise others can't stand Chrome or Chromium. Have you tried Google Chrome yet - or another like Midori?

Roland Taylor

launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa

Marco Ceppi

:12573 askubuntu.com/questions/6339/how-do-i-install-firefox-4-beta

;)

Roland Taylor

hehe

LuC1F3R

00:09

thx Roland US people are ok :)

Roland Taylor

I'm from Barbados lol. People always think I'm from the US =D

LuC1F3R

Marco i use Midori but if i`m not rong...idori dont have support for add-ons or extension...and Google Chrome i dont like him because steel data from me and from my searches...chromium dont do that but take lot of RAM

LuC1F3R

i men 800MB for 4-5 tabs (Chromium) ??? come on mannn

Roland Taylor

Midori has support for extensions

it's a bit unstable, though.

LuC1F3R

yes cuple of pages dont look right on midori and cuple of pages dont even show up on midori

Roland Taylor

00:14

that's why I stopped using it

LuC1F3R

is true midori is an webkit but...whay dont making better ?

LuC1F3R

if it is a webkit browser then imporovet man

LuC1F3R

all the webkit browser must be perfect or almost perfect but midori is not close innaf for acceptable

Roland Taylor

being based on webkit does not make a browser perfect

webkit is just a library to make that renders the pages, so the browser must still do some work

LuC1F3R

you rong! look at the Safari...is based on webkit browser what do you have to rant about safari or what do you have to say bad for Safari?

Roland Taylor

00:19

for example, when flock was based on gecko, it was not nearly as good as firefox

LuC1F3R

is look good and i dont see any bad page showing on safari

Roland Taylor

haha but safari is very insecure =)

loading pages well does not make a good browser

LuC1F3R

from short time ago they add support for extension safari is a perfect browser on my opinion i dont see like i tell you, any bad page showing on safari

Roland Taylor

I have had a few problems with safari before, but that was when I still used windows from time to time

mostly it was when using social networking sites

LuC1F3R

safari and windows have incomplet compatibility that is the reason of insecure browser but if you use hem on Mac you will see a veri big diference!

Roland Taylor

00:24

I have used safari on my cousin's mac, it wasn't too bad. But my friend/web dev partner used firefox

LuC1F3R

because safari is very good and veri stabil implementation and compatibiliti with Mac

Roland Taylor

because safari was a bit troublesome lol

and he has snow leapord btw

LuC1F3R

any how,,,,in conclusion any budy use what they like to use and what they now how to use, we dont must be all the same, in fact that is the big idea, to be diferent and from that to learn one from other right?

Roland Taylor

yep

so long as now one uses links (or is it lynx?) or links2 on the commandline, everyone is happy =D loool

LuC1F3R

i dont understand that expresion or proverb.... i just know basic language and expresion :d

Roland Taylor

00:32

oh

that's okay

I don't know any Romanian =D

LuC1F3R

ce faci meens what do you do or how are you

LuC1F3R

or "noapte buna" meen good night :)

Roland Taylor

In my country we have our own dialect

wuh gine on? - means how are you

or what is going on here

LuC1F3R

"cine esti" who are you.... "sunt ocupat" i`m busy

Roland Taylor

cine esti?!

D: gah!

runs away

LuC1F3R

00:35

Adrian :)

Roland Taylor

hehe

LuC1F3R

cum te chama meen what is your name

Roland Taylor

lol

LuC1F3R

cheama*

Roland Taylor

mine is Roland

LuC1F3R

00:36

"cati ani ai" how old are you

Roland Taylor

22 =D

LuC1F3R

"cati"- how many "ani" - age/year "ai" - have

LuC1F3R

me 25

JanC

midori is based on webkit/gtk, not on webkit/chromium or webkit/safari or webkit/qt or webkit/whatever-else, and there is no guarantee that something that renders correctly on e.g. webkit/safari will also render correctly on webkit/gtk

LuC1F3R

in romania "in good we trust" is translated on "In Dumnezeu noi credem"

Roland Taylor

00:39

in God we trust?

I think that's what you mean lol

LuC1F3R

yes like she said on 1 dolar bacnote :))

Roland Taylor

:12631 welcome =D. I was trying to explain that to him lol

without being too technical for reasons of language barrier issues

:12635 ahh =)

:12635 how would I say in God I trust, instead of we?

LuC1F3R

eu cred in dumnezeu or in dumnezeu eu cred

Roland Taylor

cool eu cred in Dumnezeu ^^

saved us from a Hurricane =D

google: Tomas

LuC1F3R

:)))

Roland Taylor

00:42

we got hit last night by Tomas but my house is intact

LuC1F3R

who is hurricane?

Roland Taylor

a storm

LuC1F3R

is a person or..?

Roland Taylor

bad weather

LuC1F3R

ooo i understand...

Roland Taylor

00:42

not a person

^^

LuC1F3R

in romanian "saved us from a Hurricane" translate as "salveaza-ne pe noi de furtuna"

Roland Taylor

ahh

makes sense

LuC1F3R

salveaza-ne - save us storm/hurricane - furtuna from - de

Roland Taylor

\o/ I'm so happy it's over

LuC1F3R

ok guys i`m glad to meet you and thx again for yours help, tke care of you and keep up with ubuntu and the good work

LuC1F3R

00:47

take care*

Roland Taylor

^^ kk cya later

LuC1F3R

one question and i promise you, i leave :D

Roland Taylor

lol

okay

no rush ^^

LuC1F3R

you giv me daly ppa for mozilla...from your experience, it is stabile?

Roland Taylor

yes, so far I've been pretty happy with it

I get a crash every few months lol

LuC1F3R

00:49

the add-ons work?

Roland Taylor

not every single one, but it installs along side firefox 3, so you don't have to worry

LuC1F3R

ye by the way, i get a crash with this version 3.6.12 3 time per day wtf? :)

Roland Taylor

haha

I don't use 3.6.x anymore

4 is more stable most of the time

LuC1F3R

it supose to be veri stabile version (3.6.12) but it is not

LuC1F3R

yes i use it me to but have problem and compatibiliti isue with majority of add-ons (ff 4)

Roland Taylor

00:52

most of my addons are working in firefox 4

but that's probably because I'm rather picky

LuC1F3R

picky like?

LuC1F3R

google: define:picky =))

Roland Taylor

lol

I choose carefully

LuC1F3R

oo i understand, you have more expectations...

Roland Taylor

something like that

LuC1F3R

00:56

ok now sereosly i leave tay tay :)

Roland Taylor

lol okay bye bye

Marco Ceppi

01:45

Roland Taylor

>:)

marenostrum

@RolandTaylor Hi. I read your answer/comment on that hackintosh question. I upvoted it as well because I have a feeling that its downvoted for improper reasons. I see that question is closed brcause its off topic. This is something else. But I don't think that what discussed is illegal or depending on how you get the OS software, it may not be illegal.

Marco Ceppi

It was closed as Off-topic - in my opinion - not because it was "illegal" but because it had virtually nothing to do with Ubuntu

marenostrum

:12686 You've posted a kitten gif. Same animal?

:12690 I am with you. Totally.

Marco Ceppi

There is noting in the FAQ or site rules about doing "illegal" things - and while I admit I haven't read the entire CoC for Ubuntu I don't think there is anything in there either. It's a personal choice not a site policy. Though in the end - off topic :P

A quick search in the CoC document shows nothing about illegal stuff mentioned

marenostrum

01:55

:12693 Off-topic part, yes. Having no rules on such "illegal" things, also OK. But what's more, I believe that what some people do called as "hakintosh" way, literally to install some OS on a machine of your choice has nothing to do with illegality.

If you can you do.

Roland Taylor

:12689 the problem is we could get into trouble (as in cease and desist notice) for something as simple as helping that guy with hackintosh, and yes, it's off topic

Marco Ceppi

I believe it infringes on some rule set forth by Apple - I'm not sure of their regulations, I know it "Voids the warranty" but I'm no expert on the legal legalities of it

Roland Taylor

not supposed to run OS X on non apple hardware

and hackintosh involves breaking the apple tos

ofc anyone can do it, but we shouldn't help them here at least

Marco Ceppi

If I had a cookie every time I violated a TOS agreement :)

marenostrum

:12698 Warranty is totally other story. Scenario: You "buy" the software. You don't care about the warranty things. You know some techniques and you install the software on a machine of your choice. very simple and legal.

Roland Taylor

01:59

lol well if you check up on hackintosh it's not legal

even though I personally don't care =D

Marco Ceppi

@marenostrum However, and I have no statistics to back this up - I'm merely assuming, there's a good chance the majority of Hackintosh users didn't go out and buy an OS X cd.

Roland Taylor

most of them don't

it takes more work to do it that way

marenostrum

:12706 Heh he, this is another story. Bad boys! :)

:12707 Sure dear friend; I know that part, but this is off-topic in another way! :)

Marco Ceppi

:12709 Exactly - though I agree, if you purchase the product you're free to do with it what you like - not being a lawyer or having an intimate knowledge of the boundaries of software law I really can't comment on how legal the practice is. Luckily in the end it's off-topic because it's not about Ubuntu. :D

Roland Taylor

:12711 lol the joke for me is that stupid software like mac and windows is not yours to play with

so I don't touch em =D

Marco Ceppi

02:02

:D

marenostrum

:12713 +1

Marco Ceppi

Alright gentlemen - I'm off to bed for a bit, have a good night!

Roland Taylor

cya ^^

:12715 =D

marenostrum

:12718 :) See you dear friend!

Roland Taylor

:12719 you're leaving too? I'm staying here ^^

marenostrum

02:06

:12720 Oh, sorry, I got it wrong. Anyway, I'm here as well.

Roland Taylor

:12721 ahh cool ^^

marenostrum

@RolandTaylor Is there a strong Free Software, GNU/Linux, ubuntu community in Barbados?

Roland Taylor

:12723 Not as strong as I would like, but I'm working on it. Met a few people who like me use FOSS, but mainly I've been the one introducing people to it. Even a few college tutors took a little interest, but it's an uphill battle so far with the educational system here.

marenostrum

:12724 I'm very pleased to hear this.

Roland Taylor

:12725 Microsoft is deeply embedded here, mostly due to ignorance lol.

marenostrum

02:13

:12726 Bug # 1 dear friend, Bug # 1. We'll solve it as well.

Roland Taylor

:12727 indeed, I'm working on it in my own home lol

marenostrum

:12728 Who uses that other OS at home?

Roland Taylor

my whole family lol

:12729 I have vista on my laptop until I can put two hdd's in it to replace the current one. I don't use windows really lol, but need to be familiar for the reason of supporting migrating users.

marenostrum

:12730 Hmmm. Serious situation.

Roland Taylor

:12732 Well our desktop needs a revamp, so hopefully I can get them on to ubuntu

marenostrum

02:19

:12733 Desktop's current situation is satisfactory for most of tasks, but improvement is good for sure.

Roland Taylor

:12734 yep ^^. I'd consider ubuntu or kubuntu a major improvement for them, or even Xubuntu lol

marenostrum

:12735 recently I helped one of my sisters and her husband to migrate to Ubuntu. After Windows XP, they can't believe that they are using such a nice OS. :) But to be aropund for small problems is beneficial.

Roland Taylor

:12736 awesome

brb

marenostrum

Launchpad is giving timeout errors. Is it the server or my side? lets wait some.

JanC

03:18

LP loves to time out, and even more so after you wrote a 30-line explanation about a bug or such :P

Roland Taylor

03:45

I am here! now I'm not =P

is there anyway to speed up usb-creator-gtk?

nvm it finished :P

Roland Taylor

04:49

I'm on a live cd =D

JanC

05:24

isn't it a bit too small to sit on? :P

George Edison

I am doing the impossible...

I am running a full-blown Gnome desktop over SSH.

...and the client? An old Pentium MMX running at 200MHz :)

In case you don't believe me:

Look close and you'll see the window decorator from the client.

JanC

05:55

@GeorgeEdison: I have run a full-blown GNOME desktop on a 166 MHz Pentium MMX (so not split up X server & clients over 2 machines, but the whole thing on that laptop... ;)

JanC

that was about 5 years ago though

George Edison

Exactly :P

JanC

06:30

GNOME isn't that bigger now than back then...

George Edison

Well... it's still pretty hefty.

Actually running Gnome on the same computer took about 20 minutes - no wait - that was XFCE :)

Octavian Damiean

09:53

hellos

JanC

12:00

@GeorgeEdison: I normally ran an XFCE-based desktop on that laptop, and it booted in less than 60 seconds into a working desktop... (that wasn't Ubuntu though, and XFCE was significantly lighter then than it is now)

JanC

too bad its power supply blew up :-(

Octavian Damiean

does anyone know if the suspend test script used for LaptopTesting reports suspend failures after it exited or on the fly when they appear?

the description on that test case says it should trigger apport I just don't know when

Marco Ceppi

12:47

More exposure on OMG! Ubuntu!

Octavian Damiean

Thursday :D

can't wait

marenostrum

13:54

:12740 10 hours later: This situation seems to be something else. Launchpad -in general- functions OH, but it keeps on givine timeout error when I try to do something on Bug #1 page, i.e. when I click "Yes It affects me" and when I try to subscribe that bug. Some other bugs I flagged "It affects me" and subscribed as well don't create such an error. I'll try to figure out the problem some more and then, probably, file a bug report.

* OH= OK givine= giving

Marco Ceppi

@marenostrum you can edit messages :P

marenostrum

:12771 here on chat? Not after 2 minutes.

Marco Ceppi

Oh i thought it was still within the two min barrier

marenostrum

:12773 can't you make an exception for me as increasing that 2 min. to 30 min. ? :)

Marco Ceppi

@marenostrum Nope not within my power :P

marenostrum

14:00

:12775 Everything is in your power but you like to refuse me. :)

Mike Axiak

16:29

Hey, I just installed netbook remix on a new netbook

Marco Ceppi

Netbook remix or Ubuntu Netbook?

Mike Axiak

I am not able to configure the wireless -- am I missing something? To be more descriptive: There is no nm-applet to be found. When I start it up with --sm-disable the options seem to be disabled

Mike Axiak

sorry, ubuntu netbook

Mike Axiak

apt-get install ubuntu-netbook, to be precise (from a command-line install)

Marco Ceppi

What kind of netbook is it?

Mike Axiak

16:30

eeepc

Mike Axiak

the wifi card is detected -- that's not the issue. I think it's a UI issue, I'm not able to configure my wired settings either

Mike Axiak

the nm-applet under Wired Network says "device not managed"...

Marco Ceppi

hum, good question. Doesn't seem to have been asked yet either

askubuntu.com/questions/…

Mike Axiak

hah, thanks :)

Marco Ceppi

Usually when more people are in here they can typically offer better support - last time I had this issue I ended up just using iwconfig

mwm

16:40

what is the best way to try the (in dev) ubuntu unity project?

mwm

is there a live iso?

Marco Ceppi

@mwm Not yet - there will likely be a PPA available when Alpha 1 of Natty hits downloads

mwm

hmm, ok tnx

mwm

but aren't daily builds available?

Marco Ceppi

@mwm Not yet - I'm looking for the question where this was covered

:12794 chat.askubuntu.com/transcript/message/6542#6542

mwm

16:50

hmm, ok, tnx

Jorge Castro

hey @MarcoCeppi

I think this should be a merge

5

A: Will Unity be the only interface for 11.04?

As in Ubuntu 10.10 (and 10.04), GNOME Shell will be available to install, and should be a first-class citizen. The existing “GNOME 3” session you can select from the login screen will remain, and will continue to provide a close to standard upstream GNOME Shell experience. So, while Unity will ...

with the parent that it's duped to

0

Q: Will Ubuntu 11.10 feature GNOME Shell?

Possible Duplicate: will the unity interface be only for 11.04? Will 11.10 feature GNOME 3 / GNOME Shell or will it feature Unity forever?

sorry I mean that one

since RAOF's answer is the best one

and it's not in the parent question unfortunately

Marco Ceppi

What should be a merge?

Do you want me to merge both those questions into the one which they duplicate?

Jorge Castro

that question

with this one

6

Q: Will Unity be the only interface for 11.04?

Will the Unity interface be only be default for the 11.04 or until GNOME Shell is released? Or alternatively will Unity continue to be developed after GNOME Shell is ready. Simply: will 11.04 be a one-off release in having the Unity interface as default.

unity 11.04 gnome3 11.10

Marco Ceppi

17:05

@JorgeCastro Merged!

Jorge Castro

hmmm

now that I am back and going through the unity questions we could probably do with some cleanup there

Marco Ceppi

You better not say to un do it! :P

Jorge Castro

but overall I think we did a good job with the influx!

Marco Ceppi

Oh, okay - whew

PS: For those who don't know merging is permanent and un-doable

Jorge Castro

heh

@MarcoCeppi awesome, our firefox maintainer is now participating

Marco Ceppi

17:18

Sweet! The UDS session was awesome. I'd love to attend next summit

txwikinger

17:30

@JorgeCastro: You have really hijacked the site for Unity :)

Jorge Castro

heh

omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/desktop-unity-your-questions-answered

they came for the unity, but stayed for the rest!

txwikinger

hehe

JanC

@marenostrum: probably the only reason why you can even see bug #1 now is that it gets cached somewhere, or maybe because it's only shown partially, because it has so many responses & other data attached etc. that in the past every database query for it timed out consistently... ;)

TheX

Hello

Jorge Castro

@txwikinger i did a lightning talk too for all UDS, so that should bring in more maintainers

Marco Ceppi

17:35

New wiki style looks great

TheX

using unity for the ffirst time, can't find the remote desktop client

txwikinger

@JorgeCastro: I missed that one

My batteries are empty.. I need some time to recharge I think

marenostrum

:12826 Any idea what to do?

George Edison

I never really heard how UDS went... how did Robert's talk go??

Jorge Castro

17:52

it was a joint talk

The video should be available soon

TheX

really you shouldn't be talking about joints...

George Edison

Has anyone had any issues with StackApplet in the last 3 or 4 days?

Roland Taylor

I hate trolls -_-

KDE trolls, Chromium trolls...

TROLLS

-_- stupid trolls =(

:12838 StackApplet is awesome =D

George Edison

18:08

Are you using the 1.4 beta?

Roland Taylor

I believe so

I can't check now, not on my laptop

Marco Ceppi

:12838 Timeouts here and there

Roland Taylor

I think StackApplet is awesome cause it eats kittens and kills dogs =)

nom nom nom :D

Marco Ceppi

:O

TheX

*hides his kitten...

George Edison

18:10

@Marco: Timeouts???

Roland Taylor

muhahaha

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison I had it running from the command line and noticed occasionally a wall of timeouts to all the sites - could likely be my connection or the API

George Edison

You know what - sometimes the API goes down and the program is designed to just ignore it and keep polling every 5 minutes. (Or whatever you have it set to.)

TheX

I think all Unity questions on askubuntu should autmagically be flagged as a duplicate questions....

George Edison

@TheX: Yup, probably.

Anyone want to preview what I've finished of StackMobile 2?

stackmobile.com/beta

3

Any feedback would be appreciated.

And of course, everyone is encouraged to check out the AskUbuntu page :)

Jorge Castro

18:15

@TheX it's fine now I think now that we have a chance to answer the questions

TheX

I suppose

Roland Taylor

I just hope that we don't get robbed of options like GNOME devs love to do

an open process where users matter is the way to go =)

Jorge Castro

lots of activity today, woo

Marco Ceppi

Anyone know how to get PuTTy to use SSH Key pair authentication?

Roland Taylor

^^ lo0ol Marco I don't even bother to use SSH most of the time for anything =D (<--- lazy)

Marco Ceppi

18:18

Well, my line of work I have to - and I have to make sure Windows users can connect

Roland Taylor

o.o man I'm resizing a 320GB NTFS partition... should I hide my eyes?

TheX

@RolandTaylor you should hide your kitties

Roland Taylor

:12869 oh, I jumped ship in my job before I had to do any of that =)

:12871 my real life kitten died years ago under tragic circumstances :(... followed me through the door on the way to to school, and I cried (won't give the details beyond that)

and the last one tried to eat my sister's dinner, so we sent her to our neighbours =D

TheX

I have a sliver in my finger, it is really impeding my ability to type

Roland Taylor

ow

TheX

18:21

for a moment i thought you might tell me that your sister ate it for supper

Roland Taylor

HAHA

only I would do that >:)

joking

can someone point me to some good docs on vala or C# (mono + gtk)?

I need to brush up on my programming but I'm bored with C++

askubuntu.com/questions/10792/… <-- strap yourselves to your seats

I made the biggest joke in FOSS history... EVER

fluteflute

18:45

Just enabled the maverick-proposed repository... wish me luck

Roland Taylor

works fine for me :D

I use all! >:)

btw... why do people keep voting down without a reason? It's infuriating -_

Jorge Castro

which answer?

Roland Taylor

askubuntu.com/questions/10792/…

I think comments for down votes should be enabled by default, because often the down votes seem to be without reason.

fluteflute

not me

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor That will never be enabled. Voting is anonymous. There already is a popup message that says "Thanks! We've counted your vote - you should leave a comment telling them why" or something to that effect

Roland Taylor

18:52

I don't care about the reputation lol, I'm neither fickle nor full of myself, just I like to know where I went wrong, so I can improve myself for the sake of other people (lol I sound so philosophical =D)

Jorge Castro

you should probably slow down @Roland

Roland Taylor

:12895 lol

Jorge Castro

in general your answers are too fast and need more detail and references

Marco Ceppi

Details, references, documentation saying there is no way to do this.

Roland Taylor

:12897 gotcha

Jorge Castro

18:53

" is to try the updated drivers from the x development ppa (find it in ubuntu-tweak) and see if you get the same results on that one."

for example

that doesn't make sense to someone who doesn't know what a PPA is, etc.

let me find you a good one

Roland Taylor

:12902 I understand, but in that case I don't think you know about sending info to devs, and don't know what a ppa is rofl

:12903 but I get your point =) thanks

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor The author might know - but a random user stumbling in from Google may not ( I actually still don't know what PPA stands for TBH)

Jorge Castro

24

A: What are PPAs and how do I use them?

For Ubuntu 10.10 While many find it easier to add PPAs using command line tools, this can be done through Ubuntu Software Center for those who prefer graphical interfaces. For this demo, we will be adding the PPA for the Banshee Team in order to get the latest stable release of Banshee. We'll b...

look at that one for example

Roland Taylor

:12906 You are free to tell me where I go wrong (or if I'm annoying) at any time

:12907 nice

Jorge Castro

@RolandTaylor you can find relink to existing questions when you mention a PPA for example

and since you can always edit your answers

you can always go back and improve them

Marco Ceppi

18:55

Personal Package Archives! got it :)

Jorge Castro

no answer starts out perfect, so I always go back, link them up, add screenshots, etc.

if you refer to official documentation on ubuntu.com for example you'll likely get more votes

Roland Taylor

:12915 the past couple days I've been a bit busy, so my answers were a little below par tbh. Barbados just came out of Tomas, and I'm the family tech support haha

Jorge Castro

yeah no worries

the nice thing is as you improve each answer you'll get a bump

so if you start off with a -1 you can totally reverse it to alot of votes

Roland Taylor

:12920 thanks for the advice ^^

Jorge Castro

no worries

I also delete my own answers if someone has such a good one that mine ends up looking like crap, hah

Marco Ceppi

18:58

Man, I am not making friends today. This must have been the 10th nasty gram I've had to email out to the dopes I work with

Jorge Castro

I got a Disciplined badge for it too

Marco Ceppi

haha, delete after 3 upvotes :P

There's also peer preasure - delete after three downvotes

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