Ask Ubuntu General Room

Roger Pate

00:41

I preferred rhythmbox until I tried mpd

@MarcoCeppi: re tablets, xsetwacom may be helpful if you can't find anything nicer to configure

Marco Ceppi

@RogerPate I just had a bad pen - I used another pen and the sensativity was fine. I'll try xsetwacom though - thanks!

:11558 I LOVE MPD, I used it for a long time when I was sharing an apartment with a few other guys. We all synced up to one MPD server

Roger Pate

yeah, I've been very pleasantly surprised

had tried out moc, and it worked well, but mpd is just a little better in many areas

regarding comments on askubuntu.com/questions/9853/…, does ubuntu use ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinitrc? I see references to .Xsession for debian, and haven't found a clear answer when searching yet

Roger Pate

04:06

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Q: Where can I find interesting Ubuntu discussions?

Ask Ubuntu is a Q&A site rather than a discussion board, a bug tracker, or a poll/survey site, but I really love Ubuntu and want to discuss those things with other users! Where can I discuss topics that aren't appropriate to ask on Ask Ubuntu?

opinions?

Marco Ceppi

I made a change

Roger Pate

ah, great change

could you flip the question to wiki too, please?

Marco Ceppi

I would describe it more but this is my thrid day awake and I'm about to crash

sure

Roger Pate

np, I figure I can go through it and add description every 6 months or so — if someone doesn't beat me to it

Marco Ceppi

06:04

I kind of want this

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Oli

07:32

1

Q: Current GNOME Interface in Ubuntu 11.04?

Possible Duplicate: Will Unity be the only option during install I am wondering if it will be possible in Ubuntu 11.04, to use ordinary (the current) GNOME interface like the one in Ubuntu 10.04, because I don't really don't like the Unity look. Thank you.

ubuntu-desktop gnome unity 11.04

Oli

This is not a duplicate of the question it has been marked a duplicate of.

Oli

This one is asking if Unity is the only shell available to users in Natty and the other is asking if Unity will be used on other future (and perhaps past) releases.

Roger Pate

@Oli: I think you're right, but I also think the question you link is a duplicate of another I've read recently

and, honestly, those two do seem rather close

getting rather tired of all the Unity stuff myself

fluteflute

12:17

Quite interesting that askubuntu.com/questions/4658/… is our highest viewed question!

marenostrum

:11607 people might be viewivg it not only for that particular driver but olsa to learn something on installing drivers in general. Many of them might come via Google search. Just a guess.

@TheX Good morning. You wake up early.

TheX

13:10

@marenostrum 6:30 am every morning

marenostrum

13:21

:11610 How do you call such a person in Eglish: "An early bird"?

TheX

Yeah...

I have to be at work at 6:45 am :P

I mean 7:45 not 6

marenostrum

:11613 Oh, OK. So are you at work at the moment?

TheX

I work at a Public High School, IT/Network Admin

marenostrum

:11616 Nice.

TheX

It is aright...

pay isn't the greatest, but I guess that is what you get when you work for the government

but what other job lets me do what I want when I want?

Roger Pate

13:31

:11611 the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

TheX

@RogerPate lol I have never heard the mouse part...

can't type this morning

marenostrum

:11621 :)

:11622 answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070923022455AATQQJW

@RogerPate Our room seems to be closed. It will be missed a lot. :)

badp

You want to put your hands on the WeMenu

TheX

13:48

@marenostrum clever

Oli

15:06

Morning/Afternoon/Evening all

TheX

Hello @Oli

Marco Ceppi

15:49

Hi everyone

hhlp

16:01

o/ hi

Oli

I wish you were forced to write a comment when you downvoted something. I know that would get rid of the anonymity of voting but still. I'd like to have an explanation of why some of my posts get negative votes.

Marco Ceppi

It's highly encouraged, but would never be enforced :P

I agree it really should be STRONGLY suggested to the user

TheX

16:21

@Oli can we see a sample of such questions that are getting voted down?

Oli

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A: Why do indicator applets exist?

Why make something that already exists and is useful? Why change for something that no has usability? Design-over-function. It sounds harsh but the original remit was the cut down the number of icons and standardise the way they work. There's little consideration for what these icons need t...

Oli

Perhaps not the best example (because it's easy to see that somebody could disagree)

TheX

It has 7 upvotes...

Oli

That's the question, not my answer.

Oli

Mine is +1/-1

TheX

16:24

Oh sorry, i thought you meant the actual question, my bad

at first glance I would say because it is so long... myself would not want to read all of that when I am looking for a simple and concise answer...

which I think is one of the primary goals of askubuntu

Oli

You would vote against something because it is a long answer?

Oli

The goal here is to be accurate and helpful.

TheX

No, I would just be less inclined to read it

I can't say why the user down voted it, just saying that is my guess as to why...'

I have to go.

Roger Pate

:11642 you can't force someone to give a reason, what's to stop me from saying "fdafdsafsdfsaf" or even the deceptive "+1 blah blah blah"?

Oli

:11664 Very true.

Oli

16:34

Unless, that is, the commend was prepended with "Reason for down-vote:"

Oli

*comment

Roger Pate

I can still type in the two examples I said :)

ah, you mean automatically insert text in the comment

that just tells you who, not why

and the comment could be deleted; if you just want to remove anonymity, that's one thing (and technically possible, of course), but trying to force someone to give a reason is futility

Marco Ceppi

16:54

:11651 Great answer

Roger Pate

@Oli: fwiw, I feel your pain; looks like I just got ~5 downvotes for pointing out that someone posted a duplicate answer (programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/35/…)

Marco Ceppi

Oh snap! I just realized that all the other SE sites have one giant chat room (chat.stackexchange.com)

Feels special for Ask Ubuntu

Roger Pate

hmm, I actually wouldn't mind combining more (though if they let us use custom clients...) as I'm now switching between AU, SO, and SO.M chat

I do see AU becoming one of the larger SE sites, and it makes sense for separate chat in that case

Marco Ceppi

17:10

I would really love if Ubuntu used this chat for support over IRC - I think if a client comes out it would really help facilitate that move :)

I don't know how to check my work phones voice mail. I have never actually had anyone call me back here - let alone leave a voice mail. Everyone always calls my mobile. Thing is th guy who setup the phone system left two years ago. Really not sure who to ask :P

Roger Pate

I take it someone left you a voice mail just now? :P

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, this morning

TheX

@Oli I feel your pain, I got down voted for suggesting that someone dual boot windows so they can play their windows native games...

Roger Pate

did the question explicitly state they didn't want to do that? in those cases, I'll leave a comment like "I know you said XXX, but really, that's easier"

TheX

@RogerPate I do not remember...

I think it just said something about the best solution to play Windows games... or something like that...

Roger Pate

17:17

then it sounds like a reasonable answer; most of the time you just have to let downvotes not bother you

Marco Ceppi

@TheX People are going to down vote - because you said Windows. It's like walking into a Church and saying "I know you want a divorce - have you tried Atheism?" It isn't going to be received well :P

Roger Pate

as hard as that may be

TheX

@MarcoCeppi I know, I found out the hard way :P

Marco Ceppi

People are just evangelist about things: Religion, Politics, and Operating Systems

TheX

Yeah I understand that... But I am a realist... Windows games are meant to be played on Windows, so that is going to be the best option... reality man, reality....

Marco Ceppi

17:21

Reality and Truth hurt :P The reason I still dual boot: Skype doesn't work well on my hardware in linux. So I have to reboot. It's just the truth of it all.

Roger Pate

ouch, communications is a bit different than games

TheX

I dual boot for CS5...

Oh and my printer

Roger Pate

I must be spoiled that Ubuntu Just Works™ for what I need

TheX

@RogerPate I wish I could say the same

Marco Ceppi

Almost everything works out of the box perfectly - but there are always quirks :P

TheX

17:25

Like Gwibber gave a lot of people headaches with this latest release

I guess we better start learning to use banshee....

dv3500ea

Or just remove it and install Rhythmbox.

Roger Pate

mpd

TheX

I have no problem with Banshee, just havn't used it much...

dv3500ea

@TheX same here.

Rhythmbox works well and is default so I use it.

I will give Banshee a try next release.

TheX

@dv3500ea I have it downloaded.... just never used it... because like you said it is the default and works well...

Marco Ceppi

17:33

I used Banshee - it's okay - it plays music

I don't care what the default is - as long as it works. If it doesn't I'll seek another solution

In my experience, Banshee was slower (uses some mono libraries) and crashed more frequently. That's when I used Rythmbox

Octavian Damiean

18:03

hello

Marco Ceppi

Hello @OctavianDamiean!

Octavian Damiean

:11720 u're from Vienna?!

Marco Ceppi

Vienna, VA, USA :P

Octavian Damiean

aw :D

Marco Ceppi

maps.google.com/…

Octavian Damiean

18:05

hehe awesome there is a Vienna in America too lol

marenostrum

:11721 Hi @OctavianDamiean ! I was just thinking about that Vienna (@MarcoCeppi) and Graz joke.:)

:11725 Aren't you franchaising Graz name as well? Lets search some for other possible Graz towns around the world. new graz, neo graz etc.

Octavian Damiean

:11727 nah theres no other Graz around at least not on /earth/

marenostrum

:11728 You are unique!

Moscow, Idaho

{{Infobox settlement |official_name = Moscow, Idaho |other_name = |native_name = |nickname = |settlement_type = City |motto = Heart of the Arts |image_skyline = Moscow-id-us-welcome.png |imagesize = |image_caption = Welcome to Moscow, Idaho |image_flag = |flag_size = |image_seal = Moscow-id-seal.png |seal_size = 80 pix |im...

There's even a Moscow in US!

Octavian Damiean

:D great

marenostrum

:)

Octavian Damiean

18:11

THE place to live in America I guess

DoR

Athens, Georgia

Athens-Clarke County is a unified city-county in Georgia, U.S., in the northeastern part of the state. The University of Georgia is located in this college town and is responsible for the initial growth of the city. In 1991, after a vote the preceding year, the original city abandoned its charter in order to form a unified government with Clarke County, referred to collectively as Athens-Clarke County. As of the 2000 census, the consolidated city-county (including all of Athens-Clarke County except Winterville and a part of Bogart) had a total population of 100,266. The most recent US Cen...

Octavian Damiean

"So Bob, where do you live?"

"I'm from Moscow it's in America you know?"

:p

DoR

Paris (disambiguation)

Paris is the capital of France. Paris may also refer to: People *Paris (mythology), legendary figure of the Trojan War *Paris (actor under Domitian), actor in Rome under the emperor Domitian Surname *Aimé Paris (1798–1866), French music educator and stenographer *Barry Paris, an author *Bubba Paris, American football player, and his twin daughters, both basketball players: **Courtney Paris **Ashley Paris *Elizabeth Crewson Paris, United States Tax Court judge *François-Edmond Pâris, French admiral *Gaston Paris, French writer and liguist *Jackie Paris, American jazz singer and guitaris...

Octavian Damiean

bet no ones gonna believe

DoR

There are loads of towns named Paris in the US

Octavian Damiean

18:15

hmm Debconfs asking me if I want to mess with grub. I have such a feeling that I shouldn't do it

marenostrum

:11742 Yes, listen to your feeling.

Octavian Damiean

oh god I ran out of coconut water!

TheX

@DoR did you see my screenshot?

DoR

@TheX yes

TheX

any ideas?

DoR

18:21

Did you already try killall gnome-panel?

TheX

@DoR yeah they icons just went back to the same place.

dv3500ea

@TheX have you tried right clicking on the notification area, like the first part of my answer.

DoR

@TheX Check out my answer

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A: How do I reset the icons in the notification area back to their default locations?

Move your current panel configuration so it is no longer used: mv ~/.gconf/apps/panel ~/panel_backup Log out and then log back in, you will now have the default panel setup.

TheX

19:29

@DoR, worked thanks.

Marco Ceppi

19:41

There's a Jupiter in FL

Jupiter, Florida

Jupiter is a town located in Palm Beach County, Florida. As of the 2000 census, the town had a total population of 39,328. As of 2006, the population had grown to 50,028, according to the University of Florida, Bureau of Economic and Business Research. Jupiter is well known for its beauty and beaches. It is often referred to as a "beach town" and has become a popular vacation spot. Many celebrities own homes in Jupiter, Florida. History The area where the town now sits was originally named for the Hobe Indian tribe which lived at the mouth of the Loxahatchee River, and whose name is also...

TheX

@MarcoCeppi en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

marenostrum

20:03

:) :)

Session is about to start!!!

dv3500ea

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Q: Ask Ubuntu session at the Ubuntu Developer Summit

On Friday will be a session where Mr Robert from SE will talk about Ask Ubuntu called How to integrate with Ask Ubuntu , you can connect and chat directly and your questions will be answered, and visit the following links here and here It will be at 16:15 EDT. You can participate remotely using...

discussion uds-n

garbagecollector

ahole

haha

aloh

marenostrum

Com'on guys! To UDS!

garbagecollector

has anyone setup gitweb on a ubuntu machine

badp

IRC + Sound feed

txwikinger

20:10

@MarcoCeppi: session in UDS starting in a bit

anybody else who is interesting can join too

badp

it's time to spam the site with great questions like "how do I boot the computer" or "What is oranger, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?"

txwikinger

audio stream: icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/bonaire1.og.m3u

IRC channel: #ubuntu-uds-Bonaire1

badp

I linked them already right above ._.

txwikinger

@badp: cool

Marco Ceppi

Thanks @txwikinger I almost forgot! :P

garbagecollector

20:15

what is this about?

Marco Ceppi

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Q: Ask Ubuntu session at the Ubuntu Developer Summit

On Friday will be a session where Mr Robert from SE will talk about Ask Ubuntu called How to integrate with Ask Ubuntu , you can connect and chat directly and your questions will be answered, and visit the following links here and here It will be at 16:15 EDT. You can participate remotely using...

discussion uds-n

DoR

Listening to the audio feed, who are the speakers?

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro - and I think @Robert (from SE) is there too

badp

he definitely is

Marco Ceppi

but I think that's his voice the "one who is not a developer of SE"

badp

20:44

173.27.196.58 you see I see what you did there ;P

Marco Ceppi

I can easily find out who that

TheX

I couldn't resist

badp

:11784 you did resist :P

you didn't ask on the main site while they were looking at it

TheX

the main site?

A lot of chatters here today

Marco Ceppi

A lot of people with head colds in the UDS

TheX

20:53

or head cases?

Marco Ceppi

21:08

That was fun

TheX

when is the next session?

DoR

I was afk for most of it, where can I grab the gooby documents?

Marco Ceppi

Uhhhhhhh

It was in the IRC header

#ubuntu-uds-Bonaire1

err

DoR

All I see is a link to the IRC log

dv3500ea

I can't find any documents in gobby connected to gobby.ubuntu.com.

marenostrum

21:13

:11792 There's only the final session, Summary Sessions and Conclusion left: summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-29

TheX

no more today?

marenostrum

As I said, one more today. Then UDS is over.

dv3500ea

@TheX - no more till UDS-O

TheX

Oh...

Marco Ceppi

@dv3500ea Yup

I plan on going next time

TheX

21:14

Sorry I am a newb to UDS...

having a hard time reading the chart you linked me too

marenostrum

@MarcoCeppi What is the summary of the session, from your point of view?

TheX

OH OH LOL

i figured out what my problem is...

marenostrum

:11811 What?

TheX

I went all day long thinking today is Thursday and that tomorrow is friday

marenostrum

:11813 :) :)

TheX

21:17

Now it makes more sense

Marco Ceppi

:11809 They discussed the platform, how teams can get involved, language specific Ask Ubuntu sites, the update/removal of Launchpad Answers, adding Ask Ubuntu to the official documenation and bookmarks, etc

DoR

Why is this stream still up? It's kinda spooky xD

marenostrum

Hmm. yes that's the summary I think.

dv3500ea

Maybe one of us could make a question: What was discussed in the UDS session about askubuntu?

DoR

Average visits per day down to only 4.5k

dv3500ea

21:21

To inform other users.

marenostrum

From UDS, I think there's no audio from the closure session but I can hear applauses from Bonaire 1 room.

Someone came and turned off that sound as well.

dv3500ea

They post a lot of the videos from UDS:

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ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/listing/new

TheX

where is the stream for the closure?

dv3500ea

@TheX I'm not sure if there is one.

TheX

Oh :*(

dv3500ea

21:29

It is likely that the video will be posted though ^^^

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Q: What was discussed, and what was the outcome of the Ask Ubuntu UDS-N session?

There was an Ask Ubuntu session at UDS-N on Friday 29th October 2010. What topics were discussed? What decisions were made?

discussion uds-n

This should probably be a community wiki but I don't seem to have the option to change it into one.

elzapp

22:07

There is a checkbox below the answer-field for community wiki

DoR

22:56

"Site is currently offline for maintenance"

marenostrum

:11833 Everyday we have this session for -lets say- 10 minutes.

JanC

yeah, happens quite often it seems...

JanC

talking about community wikis, is it possible to create a question that is a community wiki from the start?

marenostrum

:11837 Don't look at me; I don't know such things. @MarcoCeppi would you please have a look at @JanC'a question just above. :)

JanC

it's not urgent, was just thinking about something earlier this week that might make a good community question maybe...

DoR

23:11

@JanC I think they disabled community wiki from the start because there was too many questions wrongly created as a CW. I can't find the post right now because meta.SO is down :\

marenostrum

:11839 You should be able to start as such, in my opinion, but not sure.

htorque

do i get a "looked at the maintenance page" badge? :P

JanC

@htorque: haha, you should propose that ;)

JanC

"you looked at the maintenance page > 20 times in one day badge"

JanC

heh, and we need a nicer maintenance page, like the other sites :P

JanC

23:25

ah, we're back again

DoR

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