Ask Ubuntu General Room

marenostrum

00:00

:10409 Yes. How is the temperature at your other home there? Warmer? Any heating at the moment?

lovinglinux

@marenostrum I love wine in normal conditions, but they opened a bottle in every meal and a buddy told me it was impolite to stop drinking until the bottle was empty. The bottles were huge.

TheX

nah.... it is 51.5F

@lovinglinux a bottle of wine will be enough for 4 glasses in my experince... those must be huge glasses...

or I am a drunk

marenostrum

:10411 I should visit there soon. A heaven for me! :)

lovinglinux

@TheX I don't know the exact word in English :) It was wine produced by them. Big jars :)

TheX

like a jug?

marenostrum

00:03

:10413 There are some such bottles bigger than the standard ones.

TheX

or are my glasses bigger then the standard ones??? :P

lovinglinux

@TheX Something like that :)

TheX

you ever install mac OSX on a PC?

marenostrum

That talk make me thirsty. I'm going to have a glass of raki. Turkish national drink, lets say.

lovinglinux

@TheX Anyways, I was a heavy drinker in my twenties and early thirties, but trust me...they drink a lot :)

TheX

00:06

Actually never drink... maybe once a month or so... just a glass of beer...

if that

lovinglinux

@TheX I used to live in town were drinking was the favorite sport :)

TheX

Yeah... my stepfather could probably have gone pro

lovinglinux

@TheX ..and my grandparents were Germans :)

lovinglinux

@TheX deadly combination :)

TheX

my step father was a native american from Kentucky... pretty sure that qualifies him alone

lovinglinux

00:10

I have to go. Cya tomorrow.

DoR

@TheX LMFAO

marenostrum

:10431 Bye. See you.

:10430 I'm searching the Net to find about some info on Kentucians and their habits. :)

TheX

Moonshine

Moonshine (also called white lightning, mountain dew, hooch, and many other names) is an illegally produced distilled beverage. The word is believed to derive from early English smugglers and illegal Appalachian distillers who clandestinely (i.e., by the light of the moon) produced and distributed whiskey. Production Moonshine is any distilled spirit made in an unlicensed still. As with all distilled spirits, yeast ferments a sugar source to produce ethanol, then the alcohol is extracted through distillation using a still. Because of its illegal nature, moonshine is rarely aged in b...

Kentucians invented it.

@marenostrum

Pablo Fernandez

hello ubuntu people!

marenostrum

:10436 I'm an ameteur moonshiner as well. That would be nice if I had the chance to learn some tips and tricks from your step father.

:10438 Hi!

Pablo Fernandez

00:20

hey guys.. quick question

TheX

lol I don't think he was a moonshiner... just a drunk

Pablo Fernandez

I was looking for a source to learn ubuntu

Pablo Fernandez

but not the "pidgin tutorial" kind of thing

Pablo Fernandez

more like the internals

Pablo Fernandez

like the directory structure of /usr/, /etc/, /var/, etc

Pablo Fernandez

00:21

and some things like cron or other stuff

Pablo Fernandez

any idea where to start?

Pablo Fernandez

(I'm aware that's not specifically ubuntu, but linux in general)

TheX

@PabloFernandez I have a book just for you I think

*free book that is

Let me see if I can't find it

Pablo Fernandez

@TheX that would be an epic win

Pablo Fernandez

:)

TheX

00:23

ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html

marenostrum

:10448 A very broad and quick answer might be: ubuntuforums.org but I'm not sure what kind of a source you are looking for.

TheX

try that

ugh...

help

stupid computer

Pablo Fernandez

help?

Pablo Fernandez

what happened?

TheX

@PabloFernandez nothing I got it sorted out

marenostrum

00:26

:10449 And when you add "Linux in general" , it becomes to be really very very broad. But for Ubuntu specific questions you may try main site askubuntu.com We would be happy to try to answer.

TheX

@PabloFernandez sorry I just realized you asked about Linux in general and I pointed you to a book for Ubuntu, my bad.

marenostrum

@PabloFernandez And please have a look at linux.org Left side menu tells alot.

:10465 No first he began as Ubuntu and later added as "Linux in general."

TheX

oh

be back in a few

marenostrum

@PabloFernandez A page of the site I mentioned above, Free online Linux books: linux.org/docs/online_books.html

@PabloFernandez I try to point a starting point. There are thıusands of books, sources etc., for sure.

marenostrum

00:43

@PabloFernandez This is also a good place to see: tldp.org

TheX

00:53

back

marenostrum

@TheX Welcome back!

TheX

THanks

George Edison

Well, StackApplet now tracks questions you've asked and notifies you of new answers to them.

TheX

@GeorgeEdison sweet

George Edison

* well, actually it only tracks the last 50 questions you asked :)

We'll see how it works over the next few days.

marenostrum

00:55

:10476 So should we uninstall it and install the new version?

George Edison

Are you using the version in the StackApplet-dev PPA?

TheX

where can we get the download, thought I had it bookmarked but I guess I don't

marenostrum

Most probably. I forgot which way I installed it.

George Edison

Here is the PPA: launchpad.net/~stackapplet-dev/+archive/stackapplet

Install it from there and you will automatically get all the latest updates.

It's set to build from source every day.

marenostrum

:10481 I am not sure how I installed. Anyway. I'll install again. Which way do you advice for future updates?

TheX

00:57

what is the code to add a ppa again?

I can never remember

George Edison

@TheX: ppa:stackapplet-dev/stackapplet

But I can't quite remember the command either :P

marenostrum

ppa. yes I'll follow ppa way.

:10491 Evey time I look at Launchpad for that command! :)

George Edison

Me too :P

TheX

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:stackapplet-dev/stackapplet

George Edison

Aha!

TheX

01:01

:D

New light theme too

George Edison

Yup.

You can thank @Marco for that addition.

TheX

Nah... I am not going to use it... Just happened to notice it :P

@GeorgeEdison do you know what programing language this is written in?

@GeorgeEdison I asked the join the team. I can be an official feature tester or something

George Edison

@TheX: It's written in Python.

TheX

@GeorgeEdison cool

George Edison

@TheX: I added you to the team.

TheX

01:07

Sweet, this is the first development team I have ever joined

George Edison

Welcome! You'll be able to deal with bug reports, commit code changes, and all kinds of fun things.

Have you worked with Python before?

TheX

I have a bit... but it has been a long while

probably a year or two...

I am like a hooker, I get bored with one language and then move to another... lol

except I don't sleep with men

George Edison

@TheX: I do a lot of work with many different languages... so I have a 'general' idea of how a lot of them work. That's how it is for me with Python.

(Yup, this is actually my first real Python application!)

TheX

That is cool

Maybe this will give me reason to stick with one...

George Edison

What I'm trying to say is... I'm new to Python myself. (Though I did extensive work with it once before when I was embedding the Python interpreter in a C++ application.)

marenostrum

01:16

@GeorgeEdison In your opinion why doesn't it show up among GNOME applets so I can't add it?

from Synaptic it seems to be installed.

George Edison

@maren: With 1.4, it is now an AppIndicator.

marenostrum

I restarted x.

Ah.

George Edison

Go to Applications->Accessories->StackApplet to start it.

TheX

I am trying to import an openpgp key so i can sign the ubuntu code of contact

but I can't get it to work

marenostrum

:10524 OK. Its OK.

TheX

01:19

launchpad.net/+help/import-pgp-key.html

DoR

@GeorgeEdison No one besides you can actually commit code to the main branch, you have to change the owner for the branch to stackapplet devs for that to happen.

TheX

Nevermind I missed a step

Just because I can write instructions for a computer to follow, it doesn't mean I can follow instructions that a computer gives me :P

marenostrum

@GeorgeEdison Thank you very much for this nice applet. Long live StackApplet, long live @GeorgeEdison ! :)

TheX

hmm where did the lid for my flash drive go?

DoR

How would we know?

TheX

01:28

Good question

hmm

JanC

@TheX: buy one without a lid next time ;)

TheX

Um... I didn't buy it, work did...

marenostrum

@GeorgeEdison I've just began translating it to Turkish. I think I'll finish soon.

TheX

Turkey Turkey :P

okay that was lame

found my lid

marenostrum

:10542 lame ? lid ? :)

TheX

01:35

my joke about the trukey's was lame, and I couldn't find the lid for my flash drive

marenostrum

What does that "tools" stand for in translation? Are there any "tools" word in actual StackApplet?

:10544 :)

TheX

do you mean what is the definition of tools?

George Edison

@maren: Great! Tools is like 'tools for construction.'

Hope that helps.

marenostrum

:10548 Thanks

:10547 No. :)

:10549 No I didn't mean that as well. What I ask is, where do we see the word "tools" in original applet.

Anyway I'll see one day there's just one possible translation for tools.

TheX

I am confused...

George Edison

01:42

@maren: It's on the menu itself right before 'Refresh.'

marenostrum

:10554 Now that's something related with translation via Launchpad. There's a string as tools . In fact it is very clear how to translate it to Turkish. But I wanted to learn where is it in original application.

TheX

I see... I think

marenostrum

:10556 Now I see. Its not active for me now so its hard to see. I don't know why it is not act

ive. Anyway. Lets go on translation.

Hmm. Hard part: What should I use for reputation in Turkish; its tricky. OK, I find a solution.

George Edison

@maren: It's not active because it's just a label. It stands out that way.

@maren: for reputation... hmmm.... is there a word for "character value" in Turkish?

marenostrum

:10562 I din't understand anything but it is OK.:)

George Edison

01:47

@maren: According to Google: itibar (for reputation)

marenostrum

:10563 There are many words bur this is a very special case. Anyway, I'll do something and our friends will check also.

:10565 That was the one I am thinking about but it is a little bit old word. Anyway. Lets do so at the moment.

:10565 Your Turkish is good. :)

George Edison

@maren: I don't know Turkish at all - I just pulled that from Google :)

marenostrum

:10569 I know. :)

:10569 What will stand for message in You have {message} {amount} reputation. Can you give an example sentence?

TheX

hmm I can't decrypt the email from launch pad

George Edison

@maren: Nothing. That's part of Python, and does not show up when the application is run.

Just leave it as {message}.

marenostrum

01:53

:10573 OK

JanC

bah, sstatic.net was down for me

TheX

You guys hear about Desktop Unity yet?

George Edison

Nope.

TheX

I guess god, just announced today that they will be modifying Unity, to make a desktop version for the next Ubuntu, instead of using gnome-shell

marenostrum

@GeorgeEdison Legacy config file detected, converting... What kind of a thing will appear after this. Nothing?

George Edison

02:06

What do you mean by after?

The statement stands alone, if that's what you're asking.

TheX

How do i download the source?

marenostrum

:10582 OK.

TheX

Oh I see

Mike Axiak

02:33

hey

Mike Axiak

my pulseaudio just broke, and I was wondering if I could get a hand in debugging it

Mike Axiak

I'm on 10.10, and up until recently (I believe 2 days ago), my audio worked fine. Today I booted up, and there is no hardware device listed in pulseaudio. Alsamixer lists a device and I can modify the alsa mixer just fine.

Mike Axiak

There was only ever one device, so I don't think the one I was using is broken

George Edison

Did you recently update your kernel?

Mike Axiak

I believe so

George Edison

02:36

Try booting the old kernel then.

Mike Axiak

I could try rebooting into the old kernel. Odd thing is that alsa only ever reported one device, and that's still working

Mike Axiak

yeah

marenostrum

@GeorgeEdison Turkish translation is done. It shows 98 % but that 2 % is just a string of copyright things. I'll copy paste it later. Means, Turkish translation is 100 %.

@GeorgeEdison I'll make fine tunings later, when needed. I'll personally look after the translation of this package.

George Edison

@maren: Thanks so much!

Mind if I list you as a translator in the About dialog?

marenostrum

:10599 Thank you for this great application. What I do is minor.

George Edison

02:45

But can I mention you? :)

marenostrum

:10600 What can I say? Lauchpad translation provides more than enoygh reference. You may do as you prefer. Thanks for asking.

Mike Axiak

@George, No luck.

Mike Axiak

rebooted to old kernel, sound device is showing up in alsamixer and so on, but not displayed in pavucontrol or any pulseaudio config that i can see

marenostrum

@MikeAxiak Mike I liked your way of licensing on your info very much. My blog is CC0 as well. There's a footer here regarding the licence but if its usefull to express such an additional remark, I'll do so as well.

Mike Axiak

@marenostrum yeah. I noticed someone say that they're code was public domain, and I decided that was a good idea. but we all know that CC0 is better than just a pronouncement of public domain for countries like france :)

marenostrum

02:59

:10607 OK. Thanks. I'll take care of mine tomorrow.

Mike Axiak

heh, their*

marenostrum

:10609 :) That's OK. I'm not a native English speaker and don't even recognize such things. :)

@MikeAxiak Bug report: Your mother's new book reports site can not be reached at the moment. Are you the one in charge of such things in family?

Mike Axiak

lol

Mike Axiak

yes, I need to fix the dns

marenostrum

:10613 :)

Mike Axiak

03:12

k, dns updated, but it could take an hour to propagate ;)

Mike Axiak

it's funny that my last.fm tracks are still being streamed to that site :P

Mike Axiak

but i can't listen to them :(

marenostrum

:10615 We'll see.

:10617 We'll see it as well.

Mike Axiak

03:26

okay

Mike Axiak

for future reference, found the problem. pulseaudio claimed the sound card was busy, which it was -- i installed randomsound a few days ago, which starts arecord when the computer boots

marenostrum

03:48

@GeorgeEdison Above when I was saying "Lauchpad translation provides more than enoygh reference." (And thete's atypo, y=u) I mean that, Launchpad translations in some way referes to the translators. When I read the sentence again I realized that it can be understood in a very different way. Very sorry if it sounds rude, and I know that it sounds rude. (I understand and translate from English very good but writing, especially writing fast is something else.)

Marco Ceppi

Hey I got the first tag badge! meta.askubuntu.com/badges?tab=tags

marenostrum

:10623 You are too lazy on Meta. Just 1 badge for a person like you. Its a shame. Anyway 1 > 0 . Improve yourself. :)

:10623 And for sure: Congrats! :)

Marco Ceppi

It's not my first meta badge - but "Tag" badge. You get them for upvotes in tags. This one was for the discussion tag :P

marenostrum

@MarcoCeppi Were you here for the last hours? I couldn't get used to your new gravatar.

Marco Ceppi

I just popped in - I've been away for about 3 horus

marenostrum

04:00

:10626 We expect gold from you.

Marco Ceppi

All in due time :P

George Edison

@Marco: There's some new stuff in StackApplet... again... :)

You get notifications about answers now.

Marco Ceppi

I'll have to add the PPA :D

George Edison

...and it was translated to Turkish.

Marco Ceppi

Nice!

marenostrum

04:02

:10631 Completely new!

George Edison

Yeah!

...and it's being ported to Windows now.

Marco Ceppi

@marenostrum I might change it back. Got tired of looking at myself :P

George Edison

I've ported enough of AppIndicators to make it work.

marenostrum

:10634 A funny note: On Launchpad translations, our young Turkish friends feel themselves in a kind of competition with Spanish friends. Spaniards are really good in translating and they beat Turks. But this time Turkish translation is finished earlier!

George Edison

Yup.

marenostrum

04:07

:10642 But I'm sure -with the help of this chat room itself- this application will be translated to many languages 100 % soon.

There are Spaniards, Brezilians [Portugese], Russians... around. Right?

We need some French and German maybe.

Oh, there was a German chatting here.

:10638 Don't do it yourself. Please! :)

@lovinglinux Note: I've just realized that there's a search engine for FF for Ask Ubuntu! Do we have it on meta's relevant question? Lets check who created it.

Why can't I find it on mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html ?

JanC

04:55

@Jeremy: okay like this:

JanC

5

A: Booting ubuntu desktop into command prompt

You can edit the kernel parameters in grub to add text as a boot parameter. To do that temporarily (just for the current boot), you can edit the boot menu entry by pressing e (if you don't want the default boot menu entry, first select the one you want). If you don't see the boot menu, you can ...

JanC

;)

Jeremy

05:27

#JanC Awesome, it's just really hard for a newbie to figure out those steps, I remember it was quite daunting the first time I did it :)

JanC

07:34

well, somebody running a server and wanting to use the command line isn't a newbie anymore, but of course other people read it too

fluteflute

07:50

2

Q: Cannot connect to google talk using empathy/pidgin after upgrading

I can't seem to be able to connect to google talk using either pidgin or empathy after upgrading to Ubuntu 10.10 (fresh install). I do not know why... empathy just writes "Connecting ..." forever and never connects. What can I do from there? Google talk's web interface works just fine for me s...

that's a really weird question - for a bug to affect pidgin and empathy seems a bit strange

JanC

@fluteflute: Empathy uses libpurple for some protocols, although I don't think for GTalk (at least not by default)

JanC

but I seem to remember another question here or on a forum or something, where somebody complained he/she had to go offline & online again to get GTalk to work

JanC

in 10.10

fluteflute

Hmmm

lovinglinux

10:23

:10648 I don't understand why they still promote search engine add-ons, when you can get all the search engines you need by using Add to search Bar extension in Firefox. Opera has this functionality built-in and Chrome detects new sites automatically, that can be added through the search engine manager. Personally, I completely ignore all search engines add-ons.

2

marenostrum

10:45

:10661 I've just seen what you wrote but I should leave now, so I'll read tis message later and reply. See you!

lovinglinux

10:59

:10662 No problem.

lovinglinux

@marenostrum See you.

badp

anyone had any luck with Gallium on Ubuntu?

Marco Ceppi

14:26

:10665 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium

I wouldn't recommend putting that on your computer.

►

fluteflute

The music annoys me so much...

Marco Ceppi

I like it - very simple and upbeat. But what's even better - is they finally did it.

fluteflute

Hopefully they'll keep doing them :)

Gaurav Butola

14:49

hi

Marco Ceppi

Hello @GauravButola!

Gaurav Butola

I have a question... need quick answer so asking here. any alternative to cheese?

Marco Ceppi

@GauravButola I've changed your question a bit to make it fit a little better in the site.

I don't actually have an answer though - I've always just used Cheese

Roger Pate

15:04

@MarcoCeppi: though that led to an answer which is explicitly not what he wants :)

Marco Ceppi

yes, and it's to be expected. But cheese is likely not the only answer and this format will lead to better searching and dup detection

Roger Pate

I'm skeptical, at best, of all "list" questions, *shrug*

Marco Ceppi

They're going to exist, in ever community. Best you can do is make them as useful as possible

What is even worse is when a question says "Any alternative to THIS SOFTWARE" because when someone then asks "Any alternative to THIS OTHER SOFTWARE OF SIMILAR GENRE" it's not technically a duplicate because the software in the first question that they require an alternative to could be an answer.

Roger Pate

I'm not saying it was a great question, but I'd have rather seen it become more specific than less

Jorge Castro

16:33

Hi everyone!

hhlp

hi o/

Jorge Castro

uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote

4

We are having an askubuntu session at UDS with robert from SE

summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-29

it will be on Friday

hhlp

taking notes :) to be there on friday

Jorge Castro

if someone can put this information on meta I would appreciate it

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Awesome! I just got Roberts email about it earlier. Any chance that will be streamed?

Jorge Castro

16:36

I have to go to asession now but I'd love to get remote participation!

the audio will be streamed

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro You can count me in!

Jorge Castro

so you can type in IRC and we'll talk back to you

@MarcoCeppi txwikinger has been participating, he can answer your questions, gotta go!

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro See ya!

marenostrum

16:57

Current Offset for Ubuntu Developer Summit : UTC/GMT -4:00 Hours

TheX

17:43

I created my first digital image ever...

Marco Ceppi

nice

TheX

see if you can guess what it is img175.imageshack.us/img175/9796/texture1.jpg

Marco Ceppi

Going to guess Grass + Sky

TheX

awesome so you can see what it is :p

txwikinger

:10698 cool!!!

@MarcoCeppi: Hi

Marco Ceppi

17:53

Hey @txwikinger

txwikinger

I am participating UDS remotely.. so if I can help you with anything.. ask me

Marco Ceppi

I just jump into the respective room - and participate, right?

txwikinger

Jorge told me earlier that we had a session for askubuntu at UDS.. but he failed to mention Robert would be there :D

Yes.. You can listen to the audio stream

and you can talk to the people in the room via IRC

they have a projector with the IRC running for that room

TheX

I want it to be friday

txwikinger

icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl

has all the audio streams

Marco Ceppi

17:57

sweet! Thanks - I look forward to joining in

txwikinger

if you look at the schedule

summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-29

you see what room it is

Currently schedule is Bonaire1

so you need to go to the stream for bonaire1 and use amarok or whatever audio player for it

IRC channel is #ubuntu-uds-Bonaire1

Marco Ceppi

yeah, I gathered that much. The instructions on the site were pretty well written

txwikinger

time is Friday 16:15 ET

Marco Ceppi

I think this format is great btw! What a great organization of the rooms and remote participation stuff

txwikinger

Yeah.. they always do a good job

I was participating at UDS locally before too

So I have seen the logistic nightmare to pull that off :D

Marco Ceppi

18:01

haha! I can only imagine. I only wish I still lived in FL - would have loved to attend

Now I've got to find a USB wireless adapter that works with linux and my new quad core 10 GB RAM setup will be ready

TheX

@MarcoCeppi I have a USB adapter that works well with linux

Marco Ceppi

I was probably going to just go with the standard Linksys USB adapter

TheX

Yeah mine is a Belkin... something or another.. Don't remember and I am not at home staring at it...

txwikinger

@MarcoCeppi: Yeah.. but UDS is a lot of stress :D Even now doing it remotely is quite some stress - and without the fun of meeting all those people.

TheX

18:19

where is a good starting point to learn python?

hhlp

@Thex just to start -> ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333867

TheX

@hhlp cool thanks

hhlp

@TheX np

George Edison

18:50

I really need help with something.

3

Q: How to pass POST data to the PHP-CGI?

Update: In a fit of desperation, I did the following in a shell: REDIRECT_STATUS=true SCRIPT_FILENAME=/var/www/... REQUEST_METHOD=POST GATEWAY_INTERFACE=CGI/1.1 export REDIRECT_STATUS export SCRIPT_FILENAME export REQUEST_METHOD export GATEWAY_INTERFACE echo "test=1" | php-cgi ...and STILL no...

php http post cgi request

At the top, you can see the commands I entered into the shell... but it still doesn't work.

I'm completely perplexed.

</rant>

TheX

what is the best text editor for coding on Ubuntu, for a newb like me?

George Edison

@TheX: Am I allowed to recommend my own stuff?

TheX

@GeorgeEdison if it fulfills my requirements sure :P

George Edison

Give PowerPad a look then.

As an added bonus, you can add features to it by writing Python scripts.

TheX

looking

George Edison

18:57

Be sure to download the DEB file.

TheX

Yeah got it :D

are you Nathan?

or George?

George Edison

Both :)

DoR

Which one is your real name?

TheX

okay lol

George Edison

@DoR: Well, when copyrighting stuff, I'm going to use my real name.

^----- a clue

DoR

18:59

@GeorgeEdison That makes sense

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