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Ronan Forman

14:01

@BrunoPereira Change it so others can understand by all means, I'm not the best person to try and convey technical points.

Bruno Pereira

@RonanForman its done, you can also edit your own questions btw. I would suggest you add a comment on the question explaining why you think it is not a duplicate of the other, that is important so it does not get voted for closure.

jrg

Hey guys, if you have close votes, start here and work your way down. Thanks. :)

@rlemon looking for a userscript idea?

I need one for AU that adds another button in the flag list

rlemon

actually yea... userscript or straight up chrome extension...

jrg

userscript please, i don't always use chrome

so what i'd like is another option under "it needs moderator attention"

that says "Abandoned"

rlemon

the abandonded ones... what do i flag them as

jrg

14:07

and sends the flag message "abandoned!".

rlemon

so just a message

jrg

yeah

think of it as pro-forma flag messages. :D

rlemon

"other" -> "text:abandoned"

jrg

yeah

because i haven't figured out a fast way to navigate those menus without a mouse,

my hand is on the mouse already

so... yeah. :P

@rlemon oh, and you can't do abandoned by itself

the message isn't long enough for the flag system

you have to do abandoned. or abandoned!

rlemon

what would you like the message to say

you choose

jrg

14:10

abandoned. please.

jokerdino

get one for jrg. he does the basic flagging :)

rlemon

"abandoned. please." or "abandoned." please..

jrg

the latter

rlemon

lol kk

jrg

Out of flags and votes

And its only 9AM local. :(

Ok, well now I can restart my computer for that kernel update, I won't have to worry about 30+ tabs being opened at next browser launch. :P

What. The. Heck. - markshuttleworth.com/archives/939

@jokerdino are you seeing this?!

I want to know how they are going to get all of this in by feature and UI freeze.

William

14:20

OMG ELECTIONS

19h ago by Jorge Castro

jokerdino

@jrg looks legit?

jrg

@jokerdino its legit

William

WOW!

That looks awesome!

jokerdino

OK translators are going to suffer :S

William

Problem is...

jrg

14:21

Yeah, this is going to suck for a lot of people. :\

William

New users are gonna be confused by this

jrg

William is right

William

Old users are gonna have to relearn this

jrg

its bad enough we've got unity to confuse the 10.04 users

let alone everyone else

William

No one is gonna be happy. And if they're not happy they're sad. And if they're sad... then they're a Mac.

jrg

14:23

haha?

let me check precise-uploads and see what is going on

William

@jrg Haha.

I hereby declare the new heads up display feature that's gonna make everyone mad @jrg's fault!

jrg

@jokerdino unity 2d upload about an hour ago

finished building as well

William

Unity 2D is lame.

Yet your'e stuck with it if you have two monitors and an AMD card.

jrg

unity 2d isn't that bad now

@William i'm using two monitors and an amd card with 3d

don't know what your problem is bud. :P

William

Are you using open-source drivers?

That message starred alone SO makes you look like a bad person...

lol

jrg

14:26

nope

lol

i need proprietary drivers, because otherwise i can't play Trine.

William

Can You use unity 3d and 5 monitors?

jrg

nope

only have one VGA port.

William

darn

how many monitors is the limit for Unity 3d?

My dad has five monitors at work

jrg

the limit is your graphics card

William

Every time he reboots windows randomly scrambles the orientation of his monitors

using windoze

trying to get him to sitch to Ubuntu

but he says he has to finish learning ASP.net first...

jrg

14:29

@jokerdino notify-osd update

new nautilus build

and another gnome-shell build as well

thats about all the interesting stuff in precise.

jokerdino

i like notify-osd

jrg

I like chromify-osd. :P

jokerdino

chromify is a pipe of notify-osd :P

and how did you get it to work on Firefox?

Marco Ceppi

Ubuntu HUD looks cool

Bruno Pereira

@MarcoCeppi and scary, is it going to be out for sure?

Marco Ceppi

14:34

> Here’s what we hope you’ll see in 12.04 when you invoke the HUD from any standard Ubuntu app that supports the global menu:

As a power user who spends way too much time on the keyboard, I like this. Though I already know most of the keyboard shortcuts, not all menu items have keyboard shortcuts

jokerdino

Me is a power user.

HUD is everywhere on Google Plus :O

Marco Ceppi

Though I can't fully agree with replacing the menus, having the menus and the HUD - perfect

jokerdino

And Twitter

I am guessing zeitgeist is going to play a crucial role here.

Bruno Pereira

Have to agree menus should stay. I dont see that being used by every user from start

Marco Ceppi

Well it's not that hard to read the gtk-menu items of an appliation

I'm sure Zietgiest will be used for things like, the music file search, etc. Otherwise it should operate without. Though I've only just read the blog post and watched the video I haven't actually looked at the code or used it

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Bruno Pereira

14:39

@MarcoCeppi lol

jokerdino

:D

It looks like an April Fool's Joke.

jrg

I found a really good post on how the HUD will work

gould.cx/ted/blog/Searching_menus

Any application that works with the window menus today should also work with HUD out of the box.

HUG HUD

jokerdino

Let's start analyzing it in 2buntu.com

jrg

/me gets on irc

google doc?

jokerdino

i think gdoc is better.

jrg

14:48

Also, remind me to email TheX about a DNS change that I'd like. :P

jokerdino

put it on trello !

both the remainder and the doc

jrg

True good point

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jrg

@jokerdino emailed you an invite

(to the gdoc)

jokerdino

I didn't know you have my email id o.O

jrg

14:51

I have ways.

(you gave it to me a long time ago)

jokerdino

Oh hmm

William

(removed)

Bruno Pereira

If I use a tag for the first time in a question and the tag does not get removed am I the creator of the tag? (for badges purposes)

jrg

yes

Marco Ceppi

@BrunoPereira Unless it was created previously

jrg

14:58

but don't go making tags just because you want a badge.

Marco Ceppi

I will burn all your tags to the ground

Bruno Pereira

@jrg ofc not, this is the first one in all my posts ;)

jokerdino

unity-hud or hud?

jrg

@jokerdino unity

jokerdino

pick one

jrg

14:59

its considered part of unity

@BrunoPereira ^^

jokerdino

we don't have a unity-dash

jrg

exactly. because its part of unity.

Marco Ceppi

Meta, "When does a component of Unity need to be it's own tag"

jrg

although we do have dash, why we have that is beyond me.

Bruno Pereira

@jrg we do have a dash tag

Marco Ceppi

15:01

dash is also a shell

jrg

@MarcoCeppi i think i'm one half-step ahead of you there. :P

Marco Ceppi

That tag's wiki is wrong (so are all those questions tagged dash)

:)

Ugh that's a mess

jokerdino

so we kill the dash tag.

everyone suggest dash as synonym of unity.

jrg

0

Q: When does a component of a larger project require its own tag?

When does a component of a larger project require its own tag? Example: We have unity, dash launcher - dash and launcher are components of Unity, as well as separate packages. So the question is, do we need/want a master unity tag, or have all these other tags?

i hath metaed.

or something like that

@BrunoPereira, @William was right. Sorta.

Bruno Pereira

@jrg

1

A: When does a component of a larger project require its own tag?

I would say that you can use a tag on a component from a larger project when the project it self can or not incorporate that component. On the example given dash and launcher are part of Unity, they are Unity. You cannot split them from Unity. Having a small other component that might work with...

jokerdino

15:10

@jrg Ahh I wanted to answer it with the PPA.

William

0

Q: Mouse does not work after doing an upgrade

after doing an upgrade $sudo apt-get upgrade mouse does not move anymore -gnome-shell installed any help please?

upgrade gnome-shell mouse

jrg

@jokerdino Feel free to copy and paste, I'll delete my answer if you want the rep.

William

flag! low quality in epic proportions!

(BTW, @jrg I am always right.)

jrg

since you did link me to the PPA. :P

@BrunoPereira i saw.

jokerdino

@jrg LOL i am just joking. :P

jrg

15:11

I SNIPED YOU. :P

jokerdino

upvoted. :)

William

FEAR THE EXPERAMENTALNESS OF THE PPA!

IT WILL COME LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT

OR...

LIKE JRG

jokerdino

cut down the caps

William

ok

consider them cut

ouch! winces when CAPS are cut (it hurts! have you ever have your caps cut?)

jrg

it has been noted @William

William

15:14

oh you typed it lowercase

now you cant eat your caps

too bad :(

jrg

@jokerdino I will defend my h2 tag to the death. :P

and now bruno edited it out. :(

rlemon

h2... sigh

Bruno Pereira

I am starting to regret asking that. @MarcoCeppi close it?

rlemon

h1 my man! it's the new h2 and the old h3

jrg

@BrunoPereira just leave it

if the community think its worth closing, then we'll close it.

otherwise, its fine. :P

Marco Ceppi

15:19

@BrunoPereira you can always delete it.

jrg

or that.

jokerdino

If only jrg deletes his answer.

jrg

although, best if we keep it i think, even if it gets closed

because someone else is going to ask it

and then we're going to have to go through it again.

jokerdino

don't even look at me like that.

jrg

i'm not looking at you. :P

i'm looking at a random internet user who wants to use it

Bruno Pereira

15:21

@jrg can you then finish your answer?

jrg

sure

@MarcoCeppi can you please purge all the comments on that answer?

jokerdino

if three people flags a comment, it gets deleted automatically.

jrg

oh.

did not know that one

well i can't flag one of them because i accidentally upvoted it. :P

jokerdino

20

A: A sock with 28 rep points just deleted my comment?

The answer is that he had just enough socks to get it deleted w/o moderator involvement. We just tested this case on one of my comments on your question and it took exactly 3 flags for it to be autodeleted, and seeing as Sean seems to have 2 socks of Joe and John, it's fairly reasonable to assum...

jrg

haha nice

jokerdino

15:27

i read about it today.

Bruno Pereira

Joe is a brand new StackOverflow member who is about to celebrate the fifteenth (day) anniversary. A proud member with a stunning reputation of 28, he enjoys Pina Coladas and getting caught in the rain with his buddy Sean. And, surprisingly enough, they not only share the same IP, but also 98% of the votes Joe has cast!

lol

jokerdino

I was laughing the whole afternoon when I read it.

jrg

if i'm not careful, my answer will become CW here. :P

jokerdino

10 edits before CW

jrg

by the way Marco, i think you have roughly 50-70 flags sitting around. :P

its 8 edits by the original user iirc.

jokerdino

15:31

the post has been edited 10 times by the original owner

jrg

ah, ok

Spotted as a community ad. :P

jokerdino

LOL where?

Wait, you just made that up?

jrg

No. I spotted it as a legit question ad thingy ON THE ACTUAL QUESTION. - askubuntu.com/questions/98132/…

Marco Ceppi

@jokerdino Nope, it's listed as a hot question on the Stack Exchange network

jokerdino

It works that way?

Marco Ceppi

15:41

yes, it juts builds the ads based on "hot questions"

jrg

not bad.

jokerdino

askubuntu.com/posts/45544/revisions

jrg

haha

jokerdino

I salute @htorque 's OCD to keep AU clean of all the wrong Ubuntu's.

jrg

I salute him as well.

Marco Ceppi

15:45

72flagswhathaveyoudonetome.

3

jrg

i have helped the site. and run out of flags. :(

jokerdino

@MarcoCeppi To show that we need more mods. :))

Marco Ceppi

weregettingtwomoresoon

pleasedontkillme

<3

jk, KEEP THE (valid) FLAGS COMING!

jrg

:D

I'm sorry marco. 42 of them are mine. :(

jokerdino

Mine is only 9 :)

Marco Ceppi

15:53

Down to 37

jrg

beware - i asked @rlemon to make a user script to make pro-forma flag comments. :P

so flagging will go through the roof soon enough. :P

rlemon

working on it

having to override $.ajax to ensure the flag menu is open.

Bruno Pereira

Dont the moderator flags have enough comments already?

Marco Ceppi

As long as they are actually true to the flag purpose and not abused

jrg

true fact.

Bruno Pereira

15:56

yeah, but a script to add more comments? what else can there be?

jrg

true, but you're misunderstanding the purpose

i've found that i flag for like, 2 reasons. abandoned. and duplicate! - most often abandoned..

jokerdino

jrg, you can go to 'it doesn't belong here' for options.

Amith KK

Hello all

jrg

@jokerdino that turns into close votes.

not flags

hello @AmithKK

Amith KK

Hey! @jrg

Ohhh Userscripts

jokerdino

16:00

good night all

Amith KK

We need a system that asks us few of the users openid's to kill all ubantos, yubuntu's ets

@jokerdino cya, sweet dreams :D

Jorge Castro

hmmm?

@MarcoCeppi can you merge unity-hud and hud?

it's just "the hud"

Amith KK

@rlemon Make a vote for jrg userscript

Marco Ceppi

hehe, someone flagged this as off-topic

10

Q: Connect WebKit WebView form to a Python callback?

I am writing a small Python and WebKit app; I am using WebKit as the UI for my app. What I want to do is to create an interactive element in WebKit (namely a combo box or a set of clickable regions) and when the user interacts with these elements I can call a Python callback to do some processin...

python application-development gtk webkit

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi hah yeah, it's SO material isn't it?

Marco Ceppi

16:14

application-development is on-topic for Ubuntu

The only time I would move it is when a question would benefit from the SO traffic and knowledge pool

in this case it did just fine here

rlemon

@jrg install or view source

It seems like a pretty useless feature if you ask me (I likely misunderstood your request)

jrg

AHHHH YEAAHA I <3 you.

useless? NO.

rlemon

$(document).on('ajaxComplete', function() { TOOK ME FOREVER TO FIGURE OUT!

jrg

Isn't this a duplicate of setting up a LAMP server? - askubuntu.com/questions/98172/…

Amith KK

@rlemon Good work, Here's your cookie

rlemon

16:20

I was trying to override the $.ajax and hoist jQuery.ajaxSettings.options.complete

then read the doc saying jquery triggers an event when it's complete... duhhhhhh

Amith KK

@jrg Yep

Jorge Castro

@jrg "Merges and bugs should be directed towards the indicator-appmenu project"

gould.cx/ted/blog/Searching_menus

for your hud answer

jrg

@JorgeCastro thanks

@AmithKK i'm out of votes and flags, you can flag it. :P

Amith KK

@jrg Link to dupe pl0x :D

jrg

Nevermind thats horrible

rlemon

16:23

@AmithKK I don't like chocolate chip.

and where's my milk

Amith KK

@jrg Crap... Flagged it

jrg

@AmithKK doesn't matter.

once i find the dupe i'll leave a comment

Amith KK

rlemon

@AmithKK thankyou

Amith KK

@rlemon np :D

cool unicorns are cool

rlemon

16:26

@jrg the good thing about writing that is I now know about "ajaxComplete"

badp

@AmithKK I don't have the eye of disapproval thingy here, but please assume I've posted one here and now

Amith KK

@rlemon I dont know java

rlemon

@AmithKK no you can cook them too

thinkgeek.com/geektoys/collectibles/e5a7/…

jrg

Ok.... i just got a blue chat thing 1.

what the heck...

Amith KK

@jrg Looks like a flag

jrg

16:27

is confused

Marco Ceppi

ಠ_ಠ

Amith KK

And please dont look at me this time

I didnt do it

jrg

@AmithKK you are right i guess... i'm still confused. :P

Marco Ceppi

We all know who did it

rlemon

@AmithKK what?? where did java get thrown into all of this.

jrg

16:27

whatever. ok, now i know what my new powers on chat.SE consist of. :P

Amith KK

@rlemon Is'nt that js?

rlemon

java !== javascript

jrg

THERE WE GO. askubuntu.com/questions/34/… @AmithKK thats the proper dupe

page 4 of google... grumble

rlemon

the similarities in name are purely coincidence (and not wanting sun to sue)

the languages themselves have no roots in eachother.

Amith KK

To whoever named it. Why? Just Why?

rlemon

16:30

the language was written and pushed out in two weeks.

the name was not originally javascript

Amith KK

coffeescript?

rlemon

yuck

jrg

oh no. coffeescript is no

rlemon

coffeescript is a useless abstraction of a language that never needed to be created and should be killed.

jrg

IDK. I kinda like it to some extent.

it gives me a reason to ~~yell at~~ dislike hipsters. :P

rlemon

16:32

coffeescript is useless.

JavaScript

JavaScript is a prototype-based scripting language that is dynamic, weakly typed and has first-class functions. It is a multi-paradigm language, supporting object-oriented, imperative, and functional programming styles. JavaScript was formalized in the ECMAScript language standard and is primarily used in the form of client-side JavaScript, implemented as part of a Web browser in order to provide enhanced user interfaces and dynamic websites. This enables programmatic access to computational objects within a host environment. JavaScript's use in applications outside Web pages ...

@AmithKK there is the wiki:history on JavaScript

one guy - two weeks.

impressive?..... i think so!

> and finally to JavaScript mainly because it was more influenced by the Java programming language

Amith KK

@rlemon Jon Skeet.... i think so!

rlemon

that line is complete bull though.

jrg

@AmithKK ... no

jon skeet is java and C#. whereas nick craver is jquery and javascript.

rlemon

> The final choice of name caused confusion, giving the impression that the language was a spin-off of the Java programming language, and the choice has been characterized by many as a marketing ploy by Netscape to give JavaScript the cachet of what was then the hot new web-programming language

Amith KK

@jrg Nah, I meant to say that it was over nyan thousand

rlemon

16:35

@jrg NO Nick Craver

Brendan Eich

jrg

look at Cravers tags. jquery, javascript, html, css, c#, jquery-ui, ajax, asp,net, jquery-selectors, jquery-plugins.

hes awesome

Amith KK

k guys

cya

BBT

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