Ask Ubuntu General Room

Zacharee1

00:00

@HeatherBrown new background

Fabby

@NathanOsman Hopefully you didn't do that while the VM failed over to your mobile phone's hotspot... That would have been truly awful >:-)

Nathan Osman

It wasn't using the network.

Argh. And now it's out of disk space.

Zacharee1

@Fabby writing not downloading

Fabby

@NathanOsman :D :D :D You don't need to watch TV! You live in a soap opera!

@Zacharee1 Thanks for the clarification... :-)

Zacharee1

:p

hmm

Seth

00:03

Update your systems now to patch new kernel 0 day!!

9

Zacharee1

@Seth I want to do that, but I don't want to break my system again :p

I guess I do have the data separate though

Seth

@Zacharee1 uh, what makes you think it will break your system?

Zacharee1

@Seth last time I upgraded system stuff (nothing going wrong), I couldn't boot.

15.04/10

The water in by bottle in condensing on the inside because I have it next to my computer fan :p

Nathan Osman

nathan@nathan-gnome:~$ stat /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_vivid_universe_binary-amd64_Packages.bz2
  File: ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_vivid_universe_binary-amd64_Packages.bz2’
  Size: 7731647689	Blocks: 15100888   IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: 801h/2049d	Inode: 299374      Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
Access: 2015-04-24 11:33:48.000000000 -0700
Modify: 2015-04-24 11:33:48.000000000 -0700

O_O

Fabby

And now I will get even more complaints: I'm even self-answering meta questions! :D @Seth

Nathan Osman

00:07

I don't think that file is supposed to be 7.7 GB.

Fabby

@NathanOsman You can always delete the VM and remove Gnome completely ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nathan Osman

I had to rm the file to do much of anything because of disk space.

@Fabby It has a snapshot, so it's easy to rollback.

Fabby

Ah!

Zacharee1

KDE is the real enemy here

:P

kos

@Seth Thanks. Running Software Updater now.

Zacharee1

00:13

@Seth Path?

@HeatherBrown do you have a static external IP?

Fabby

@Zacharee1 sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Zacharee1

@Fabby no, his word choice. I'm wondering if it's meant to say patch :p

@Fabby turn your JS on and look at my site :PP

Fabby

I run a sudo dist-upgrade before shutting down...

user139252

@Zacharee1 not yet, but it only changes if my modem goes down for hours at a time which shouldn't happen with my new UPS

Fabby

(which is what I'm going to do next after the upgrade finishes)

Zacharee1

00:17

@HeatherBrown OK, good! I'm SSHing with the IP right now :p. I should probably change that to the DNS

user139252

I do have a script to automatically update my domain's DNS entries upon new IP, so if you ever need it you can always dig

Zacharee1

I only have two things to do for homework tonight!!!!

@HeatherBrown yeah I guess. No DynDNS/No-IP?

Fabby

Ah! Done! Good night all!

Zacharee1

@Fabby adiós

user139252

That costs money if I want to use a .tk domain :p

Zacharee1

00:19

@HeatherBrown oh, right. Forgot about that part :p. I guess I was thinking redirects

I feel accomplished

I made my own CSS button :p

@HeatherBrown your network profile picture finally updated itself

Oh, I need to make a back to top button on the site

Nathan Osman

You'll all be happy to know I've got my ElementaryOS and Mint installation ISOs in a directory named "ubuntu" :P

Meh - they're close enough :P

Ducks.

Zacharee1

Not for AU :p

Why is it that we don't support them here? Are they that different?

kos

Mostly is the fact that you have to draw the line somewhere.

So the line is: only official derivatives.

user139252

Otherwise, we should just be AskDebian or part of Unix and Linux

Zacharee1

hmm maybe

But these derivatives are trying to be like Ubuntu, aren't they? They just haven't been officially recognized.

or am I missing something?

Nathan Osman

00:35

Ask Debian - there we go :P

First question: why isn't /sbin in the $PATH???

Mateo

so anyone want to know the api I'm planning to use for the scope I want to build

kos

I don't know hoh many Ubuntu derivatives are out there currently, but even if the number was low I guess the problem would be also defining "Ubuntu-based distribution". If I fork a distribution changing the logo and two other things that makes it a "Ubuntu-based distribution", but should it be supported? How far can I change it before it becomes just a Linux distribution?

Mateo

that is why the distinction, we don't know what all they did or did not change

Zacharee1

@kos I was just thinking that things like Kali and Mint are trying to be like Ubuntu. Ubuntu wasn't trying to be exactly like Debian, I don't think.

@Mateo ah

Mateo

if they want to pursue compatibility, they will take the steps to become a recognized flavor

Zacharee1

00:41

That explains it :)

Dankeschön

Mystery: "Please" and "You're welcome" are both "bitte" in German

kos

@NathanOsman Do you have it in /etc/environment?

Mateo

@NathanOsman I'm thinking of making a scope for this: api.wikia.com/wiki/LyricWiki_API/REST

Nathan Osman

@kos No idea.

@Mateo Not a bad idea.

Mateo

the hard part I think would be it wants both artist and song to get a result

Nathan Osman

Oh, hmm...

Mateo

00:44

artist will list songs by them

Nathan Osman

No option to search by title?

Mateo

nope :/

Zacharee1

scope?

Mateo

@Zacharee1 for the ubuntu touch phones

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown rejoin?

@Mateo I don't know what scope means :p

Mateo

00:45

it is like the dash search, but divided by services

Zacharee1

oh, OK

Mateo

they are running a contest to make them

Zacharee1

I have exactly 9 tabs open o_O

@Mateo cool!

Mateo

developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/01/15/…

Zacharee1

I really want to get Ubuntu Touch :(

Mateo

00:48

so I think I will have the artist search primary - then you can add a comma then the song - or when you go through the artists songs, make one of the buttons send the search back to it's self

Zacharee1

It's funny how the Nexus 4 has better specs than the iPhone 6+

Mateo

lol, yeah

Zacharee1

@Mateo Wish I could test

Mateo

there was a funny graphic about that

Zacharee1

idk how to respond, so I'll just say this

Mateo

00:49

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kos

Does anyone know if dailymotion support HTML5?

Mateo

ooo, I can try

they have a json api too

Zacharee1

@kos Probably does.

Mateo

that would be a cool scope, are you going to enter @kos ?

Seth

@Mateo LOL

@Mateo Dailymotion? Support? make me laugh xD

that site barely works as it is..

Zacharee1

00:51

@Mateo @Seth can we get a pin for this? :p

@Seth But its screening process is much less strict, so tons of non-free shows are on it

Seth

that's.. not really what pins are for.

Zacharee1

@Seth hence the ":P"

Seth

@Zacharee1 yeah I know.

kos

@Mateo Yeah, I could. :D

@Zacharee1 Testing now on Chromium, cause I'd like to switch to it.

Zacharee1

@kos do Chrome itself

Mateo

00:53

they just did a new tutitorial for javascript scopes i think

Zacharee1

who

c'mon Skype....

kos

It does!

Zacharee1

@kos yay!

kos

Zacharee1

Sìì

lol

Wait, Italian has the backwards accents?

kos

00:55

Switching to Chromium.

@Zacharee1 Let me check my keyboard...

Yep.

Zacharee1

huh

Mateo

Scopes Showdown 2016 - JavaScript scopes introduction workshop

►

Zacharee1

So is "yes" sì and not sí?

Mateo

@kos well, I don't think i have flash installed, it's playing video

kos

@Zacharee1 It would be "sì", however in practice in writings is not always accented (although technically it should), so you may also find simply "si".

@Mateo Yeah, in fact it works also on Chromium. Nice.

Zacharee1

01:02

@kos huh, so what's "if?"

Nathan Osman

Elementary does look nice.

kos

@Zacharee1 If you want the full story, technically "sì" = yes, "si" =~ self (reflexive pronoun). For example "Si addormentò" =~ "he fell asleep", but in Italian is reflexive (so that would be something like "he put himself to sleep"). Same goes for "se", if you want to say "if" you should use the grave accent ("sè"), otherwise it has another meaning, which it's also kinda hard to explain without a context. Most of the times you can switch it with "with (him/her/it)self".

^^ And that was the Italian lesson for today. :D

*Most of the times you can switch it with "for (him/her/it)self"

Zacharee1

@kos gah that's confusing for me. Si in Spanish is if, sí is yes, se is the third person reflexive and sé is the I form of to know, or the objective third person pronoun

kos

@Zacharee1 Wow that's embarissing. I actually meant "acute". And yeah, forgot that "sé" is mostly used as the third person reflexive than in that edge case I mentioned. :D so it's basically the same as in Spanish.

Nathan Osman

01:18

Anyone here have Gnome installed?

Zacharee1

aghghghhghg

:p

@NathanOsman yeth

Nathan Osman

Does it support app indicators out-of-the-box yet?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman sort of I think

There's this little bar at the bottom that can pop out or go back off screen, with a little arrow to let you toggle it

kind of like the panels in GNOME 2

Seth

Lie Witness News - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Edition

►

o_O

Zacharee1

y u post utube vidz wen i kent watch dem

kos

01:24

@Zacharee1 My bad. :D Summing up "sì" = "yes", "si" =~ "self" (reflexive pronoun used as object), "sé" = if, "se" =~ "self" (reflexive pronoun used as subject)

Zacharee1

@kos so everything except "yes" is Spanish with the Is and Es switched :p

kos

Anyway Chromium looks blazing fast compared to Chrome, but maybe it's because I didn't bloat it yet.

Zacharee1

and an extra accent here or there

@kos it also doesn't have Widevine :(

no Netflix

Seth

What is Your Password?

►

ok, I know this isn't a good example of what it's really like, but it is still funny xD

Zacharee1

@Seth stahp pls

Seth

01:28

@Zacharee1 watch later

kos

@Zacharee1 "Si" (es) = "Se" (it), "Sí" (es) = "Sì", "Se" (es) = "Sé" and the last ("sé") what do you mean by "is the I form of to know, or the objective third person pronoun"?

Zacharee1

@kos sé = I know

and sorry, it's sí that's the third person objective pronoun

like "I drank it for him" (weird sentence)

bebí para sí

I think

AGH

It's reflexive

kos

@Zacharee1 Brain is exploding... Ask me one at the time :D

Zacharee1

Let me restart :p

yo sé = I know -- infinitive = saber

And sé doesn't exist

I got that wrong

I was thinking of sí, which is yes, but also the third person objective reflexive

So something like "he hits himself"

kos

Ok. "Yo sé" would be "Io so" (pronounced as "Io sò", but for some weird rule is wrong to put the accent on the "o"). "sí" would be either "sì" (yes) and "si" (third person objective reflexive pronoun).

Zacharee1

01:39

fun :p

kos

Not so much, my brain is aching.

Zacharee1

It's weird that it's "Io"

it's capitalized too?

kos

No, I capitalized it as in "Yo sé", but it's wrong to capitalize it unless at the start of a period.

Zacharee1

OK

We English are very self centered :p

kos

tl;dr not like in English

Zacharee1

01:41

But at least we don't capitalize every noun (anymore), like German does

Or put our secondary verbs at the end of the clause

Can you down sit? :p

You need to the store go

kos

That would sound weird also in Italian. :D

Zacharee1

That would weird in Italian sound

kos

Although that inversion was used in very archaic forms.

Zacharee1

I'm not sure if it applies to helping verbs or not though

Like, is it "I can speak German," or "I can German speak?"

kos

In German?

Zacharee1

01:45

Yeah

Well, that escalated quickly:

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Q: skype video call not working

Itried to make a video call to my sister today using skype,its ringing but she was telling she is not receiving any call from me,when she tried to call its the same,i can do only chat with her,but i noticed am connected to the internet,i can do search successfully but the button on-line on my sky...

networking

kos

Wow.

I think it's a troll though.

Zacharee1

yeah

still funny :p

kos

Authoritative answer here: meta.askubuntu.com/a/14965/380067

Zacharee1

yeth

This needs to be put here: github.com/adobe/brackets/releases

kos

I think I used it once, I remember the name.

Zacharee1

01:53

It's really nice

hbdgaf

Zacharee1

@hbdgaf quick! call @Fabby! It's gonna light the room on fire!!!!

hbdgaf

honestly, I was just calling that question a flaming pile of....

Zacharee1

lol

kos

@hbdgaf Honestly, for a moment I thought it was a reference to the noodles.

hbdgaf

01:58

@kos that too

kos

Lol.

hbdgaf

Ask me again tomorrow, I'll be all ^^

Zacharee1

OMG

XDXDXD

kos

Lol, those things you always regret later.

hbdgaf

There's a campers in sleeping bags are just bear burritos joke in there somewhere too...

kos

02:04

hbdgaf

oddly, the sesame oil making it taste a little like peanuts does take some of the edge off going in

hbdgaf

02:20

There's @Seth

Seth

\o

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown added some (pointless I guess) back to top buttons

user139252

02:38

Cool. I'm going to be putting up another domain of my own later tonight

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown ping it to me and I'll look at it tomorrow. what is it?

user139252

It's not up yet :p

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown sorry, when you're ready :p

I forgot to include that

Zacharee1

03:05

@HeatherBrown Should Google Analytics be working from your host? Something's weird with it

Nathan Osman

Manual install of Gnome is in progress.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman fun

@NathanOsman next do KDE and deal with that lovely all-blinding-white flat interface and the memory leaks

Nathan Osman

You seemed to have missed the full impact of my statement :P

I've downloaded the minimal CD and am doing the "expert mode CLI install".

Never mind that it's Gnome :P

Seth

openbox ftw

Zacharee1

@Seth ◔_◔

Nathan Osman

03:09

ಠ_ಠ

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman I don't think the method affects what I said :p

@NathanOsman ಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠ

Nathan Osman

04:34

Reason #6,127,287 not to like Gnome: it doesn't boot from a clean install of gnome-desktop-environment from the minimal CD. ಠ_ಠ

I had to install LightDM and use the flashback session.

Which, BTW - is the ugliest thing I've seen in years.

</rant>

Seth

04:54

lets just back up here a few hours.

2 hours ago, by Seth

openbox ftw

Seth

05:04

Just get a new computer; Lenovos are crap (in my experience anyway) — It's Willem yesterday

o_O

Journeyman Geek

o0

Nathan Osman

05:22

This is my last attempt at a working Gnome 15.10 installation - an in place upgrade for my 15.04 VM.

If this fails, I give up. I never had anywhere near this much trouble with any other desktop environment. Ever.

Restarting...

Crosses fingers and toes...

/dev/sda1: Clearing orphaned inode

Erm... that doesn't look good.

She boots!

\o/

user139252

@Zacharee1 what's wrong with Google analytics?

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

05:41

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Q: How to install ubuntu on live USB stick that I booted from?

I have a old netbook with single USB port and broken harddrive. I've somehow aquired a 16gb lubuntu 15.10 willy live USB. I want to use this as primary OS on my netbook. Since I don't have access to another computer, I want to somehow manage to install lubuntu on very USB stick I booted live sess...

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Journeyman Geek

06:58

Byte Commander

08:05

@kos No, I made that sketch in LibreOffice Writer and screensooted it. I did not touch Microsoft Pain(t)! ;-)

A.B.

08:18

Morning folks =)

Fabby

08:50

@hbdgaf Good one though! Saves as "Flaming Pile of $h|t"...

@A.B. Guten Morgen!

A.B.

@Fabby :D

BRB

Rafiqul Islam

I have 5 NICs in my ubuntu 14.04 server. I have set dns_search as demo.local, No IP for dns_nameservers. when I run apt-get update. I find error name resolution, something like this. Can anyone please help?

Fabby

@RafiqulIslam What's the link to your question on-site?

(Has it ever worked before?)

Rafiqul Islam

09:18

no

@Fabby It is first installation.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

10:25

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Q: How to check who run updates or installed packages on Debian?

I'm in the rather strange situation where I don't trust all users with sudo rights and there's nothing I can do about it. I would like to check periodically if anyone but me installed any packages or even worse, run updates, without consulting me on my Debian/Ubuntu servers. On other servers runn...

debian ubuntu apt

Oli

8 messages deleted

kos

10:49

@ByteCommander That's too bad.

@ByteCommander On another note I updated the answer but I used killall -e because killing random processes that match with killall didn't sound too good. But now the problem could be that each instance has a slightly different name. Ping me with the specific names if that's the case and I'll try to fix it. The better way would be tracking the specific PIDs anyway.

edward torvalds

1

Q: New Zero-day exploit reportedly found affecting Linux/Android

Russia Today reports (20 January 2016) https://www.rt.com/usa/329512-linux-security-flaw-millions-risk/ that there is a new zero-day exploit that has been discovered affecting Linux and all Linux-based OSes for computers and phones. What is the deal; how does it affect Ubuntu; and when can we ex...

14.04 12.04 security android

is this question on-topic?

fossfreedom

11:13

@edwardtorvalds its a poor question with no real details other than in the link. But yes, the "how does it affect" is on-topic. Then "when will it be fixed" is not since we dont know that ... other than pointing the OP to the kernel devs

edward torvalds

too broad question?

fossfreedom

in terms of worthiness - usually by the time this stuff gets reported the fix is already winging its way into a kernel update in the next day or so.

kos

It has been fixed already for 15.10 / 15.04 / 14.04: linux.softpedia.com/blog/…, and on the notice it's mentioned also 12.04.

fossfreedom

meh - its kind of vague - leave the community to decide if its too broad

edward torvalds

ok

@kos you can comment this on that question, the OP seems to be very paranoid :)

kos

11:17

@edwardtorvalds Actually I was writing an answer, but I'm not sure if there are also going to be backports for other versions since this is a big one...

edward torvalds

you can comment :) wont hurt

kos

@edwardtorvalds I posted a whole answer at this point. I'll check in the next days if some unsupported releases received an update for this as well.

edward torvalds

0

Q: difference between /dir and /dir/

Consider a symlink I am making to my Music directory named music. ln -s Music music now consider following sequence of commands: edward@ArchLinux:~$ readlink music Music edward@ArchLinux:~$ readlink music/ edward@ArchLinux:~$ I am getting output only if I am not using / at the end of symli...

path

edward torvalds

11:43

@ParanoidPanda hi

user136984

11:55

@edwardtorvalds: Hi! :)

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown I think I just don't know how to use it. The only stats it showed were real-time.

Rinzwind

13:05

someone found a new prime number O

Zacharee1

@Rinzwind ooh

Rinzwind

22.338.618 -digits-

Zacharee1

yikes

Is there a point to finding these numbers?

user136984

@Zacharee1: Yes

Zacharee1

What

user136984

13:10

Well, among other things, they are used for modern day encryption.

Rinzwind

@Zacharee1 yes, encryption

it took an I7 processor 31 days of computing to find it O

Here is it: mersenne.org/primes/digits/M74207281.zip

(zip 22Mb)

it ends in a 1 (duh ;-) )

Zacharee1

:p

That ZIP is 10.2MB

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

14:17

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Q: Installing Linux as the primary OS on HP Pavilion DV-7-1225-ez

I have an old entertainment laptop, HP Pavilion DV7-1225ez, which I would like to turn into a portable development/learning computer. I am now going through various linux distros to find the most suitable one - Ubuntu seems to be a good starting point. Some of the points that I am struggling in...

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kos

@Rinzwind I would have been suprised if it happened to end with an even number. :D

2

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

14:42

0

Q: Disable isc-dhcp-server form startup

I am working with isc-dhcp-server on ubuntu 14.04.1, and i don't want that it run on start up so I disabled it from rc with sudo update-rc.d -f isc-dhcp-server remove But it still run on startup, I look at rc.local, .bashrc and didn't see any call to it. I tried to check with sudo sysv-rc-con...

ubuntu boot startup

kos

14:56

* had happened

A.B.

Nice: zealdocs.org

4

kos

Afternoon @A.B.! Nice!

A.B.

@kos :D

also nice askubuntu.com/a/723039/367165 @kos :)

kos

I think I'm installing it, hopefully they'll have the documentation for Perl available.

@A.B. Thanks, it took a bit of effort to put together.

A.B.

@kos yes, Perl is available

kos

15:08

@A.B. Nice, I'm giving it a shot right now then.

Zacharee1

@kos lol

A.B.

@kos Install the recent version: launchpad.net/~zeal-developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

kos

@A.B. Ah yes, thanks.

@A.B. Have you seen this? linux.softpedia.com/blog/…

A.B.

@kos o_O No :D

user139252

@Zacharee1 It takes a few days for the real data collection to begin, and you have to make sure that the analytics script is on your page.

A.B.

15:12

But I had a kernel upgrade today

user139252

@A.B. Me too!

Zacharee1

It is. OK. @HeatherBrown I shall wait :p

A.B.

@HeatherBrown And your RasPi?

user136984

@Fabby: What do you think of the shadows? :)

Zacharee1

Hey stylus hovering on my phone works for ping messages

@ParanoidPanda looks great!

kos

15:15

@A.B. Ok, then you're good already. This is pretty big, I don't think anyone would keep a kernel with that flaw.

Zacharee1

@kos *looks at self *

kos

@A.B. Wow, it's very neat:

A.B.

@kos :)

kos

A.B.

@kos And with plugins for Atom, Brackets and so on

user139252

15:17

@A.B. Did my RasPi have a kernel upgrade? Not sure, let me check. It's set to auto-update every day, though

kos

@A.B. Nice. I think this might change the way I search for documentation.

@Zacharee1 What's your IP again?

Zacharee1

No hax pls

@kos why ^

kos

@Zacharee1 * Glances to the sides * Nothing.

Oli

It's still only a local escalation exploit. It's not the end of the world as some sites seem to be reporting. It still needs a mechanism to be able to locally execute this code and if it can do that, chances are it can already encrypt all your documents (eg) and ransom them back to you.

Given the time it takes pwn2own contestants to hack browsers, and the complete ineptitude of advertising networks to sanitise javascript, it's hard to see how we're not all part of a botnet already. Maybe we are.

Zacharee1

@kos :p

@Oli O_o

kos

15:23

@Zacharee1 Mind that what Oli said doesn't apply if you offer SSH access like you've been doing.

;)

Ah and here's a working exploit (taken from heemayl's answer)

user136984

@Zacharee1: I'm glad you like! :)

user136984

@ByteCommander: I'm going to have to completely redo it and almost start from scratch if I'm going to double the size... But I can get it done. :)

blade19899

Guys, anyway we can search for Linux only Viruses on VirusTotal.com?

Serg

15:41

All I can say, I am starting to fall in love with python and having a man boner for my python professor so far :3

user139252

@Serg Isn't it amazing?!

Serg

@HeatherBrown It is ! So couple days ago I've spend time watching a 45 min intro to python on youtube and yesterday I was in class , and I'm thinking to myself: all the stuff that I was painfully struggling with in java , I can understand so far pretty much alright in python. Not saying I can do anything yet, but I can understand the code more or less . . .

A.B.

\o @Serg =)

Serg

@A.B. o/ Hellow

user139252

Testing my Pi for that vulnerability

Serg

15:47

Speaking of Pi , my professor whipped out a rasperry pi one , that 5$ tiny version yesterday in class. And he used to be security guy . . . has wireshark and other stickers all over his macbook, uses vi and terminal. I was like , "oh yeah, this is going to be fun"

user139252

...Macbook?

Serg

Aaaand my short command with AWK got unaccepted in favor of lengthy while loop + grep . Dang it OP !

user139252

I use vi :D

user139252

I don't think my Pi is vulnerable... it's stuck at "Increfing"

Serg

@HeatherBrown yeah . . .well . . whatever those apple products are called, macbooks, bookmacs, or the "overpriced laptops" :D

user139252

15:51

He loses points for having a Macbook :P

Serg

Eh, probably a university thingy. All our CS department folks have macbooks.

A.B.

@Serg ???

Serg

@A.B. this

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