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@blade19899 o.O wut. I is confused.
@RPiAwesomeness Yep. Screenshot? And...
> ... Made on for my wife...
I'm still confused.
So, does anyone actually use Lightworks for editing around here?
I've never seen DBZ, sooooo
@Seth Openshot man myself
@RPiAwesomeness WHUT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!
@Seth Tried it out once. But openshot felt faster, and more features. Exporting wise.
The free version of Lightworks only could export to 720p.
Openshot, to whatever you want. I think.
20:05
@Seth Tried it out, felt too complicated IMO and the tutorials weren't great. I just stuck with Kdenlive. I probably should try it out again.
Am I the only one who got a 404 for the chat pages?
@blade19899 o_O
I'll have to look into that.
@RPiAwesomeness I think the tutorials have gotten better since then.
My problem is non-linear video editing is very foreign to me, despite the fact that it is much more powerful than linear editing.
@Seth Yeah. Haven't used it a month or two.
Dunno if I could ever get used to it :P
@Seth Yeah, I'm used to linear.
The openshot developer is working on a mayor upgrade, here is the latest status report: OpenShot Video Editor | Blog: February Update: GIFs, Video Playback, Cross-Platform, Installers, and Releases
20:07
still, I think learning non-linear would be good for both of us.
Probably. I've got Natron installed and hope to use that at some point, that's a non-linear editor.
@RPiAwesomeness Ooh cool. I'll check it out.
@blade19899 Cool! I tried OpenShot a little while back and it just felt like it lacked features, especially compared to Kdenlive. Compared to WMM, it looked great.
@Seth It's more of an effects editor than a compositing editor.
@RPiAwesomeness Ah. So more in line with after effects than, say, something like KDEnlive or Sony Vegas?
@Seth yeah, it kind of forces you to organize things they way they want, which would be great for huge projects... but usually I just want to throw two videos together and export not saving the project
20:13
yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
@blade19899 sweet, I like openshot very easy for a quick project
@Seth Yeah, except that it's non-linear
right.
I currently have $90 of my own money in my house. $10 in a saving envelope & $80 in my wallet. Please no one mug me.
@RPiAwesomeness I have 50 bucks and no income. Lost my job. They didn't have enough work for me. Please someone, kill me.
20:25
@blade19899 For real?
@RPiAwesomeness We'll with savings its a couple of hundred, but yeah for reals.
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Q: apt-get error for git, but not other packages

s g I just set up a fresh Ubuntu 12.04.5 server amd64 machine on VirtualBox 4.2 (I was having install issues on OSX 10.10 using 4.3) and I'm able to do apt-get install curl but when I run apt-get install git I get the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: git : Depends: l...

@blade19899 :(
Anyone want to see a picture of a bunch of super fast cars I just took?
@RPiAwesomeness I have been looking for a job 9-5. Not having a job means you have a job. Saerching for a job.
@RPiAwesomeness Yes.
@blade19899 I'm sorry man :(
@RPiAwesomeness Don't be. I'm 25, I know how to survive.
@RPiAwesomeness Hella fast cars!
@blade19899 Ah. Good
@JanakaRRajapaksha Waddup playa!
@blade19899 ;) Indeed. We got 2 Ferrari Enzos in there, a Ferrari FXX, Corvette Stingray Concept, '07 Shelby GT500, '65 Mustang ... all dem fast cars
20:30
please help me, i tried to install ubuntu 14.04, and a part of hdd was unusable, and now cant load even windows please can you help?
> Blurs to block view...
P0rn?
@blade19899 hey after a long time
please anyone know how this unusable space get available?
in hdd?
@blade19899 No...unless you call a pile of school books everywhere p0rn
Schoolbooks, power cords & legos (brothers legos that he never picks up :P)
20:33
ok, here is active, with two players going:
each player has mute/volume, and a star icon for pining or staring it
@Mateo Hmm....not bad
Though, it looks a bit cluttered ... :P
Left 4 Dead 2 Time!
Bye!
I think it would be better to have just one volume, but a mute on each one next to the icon and only active players have the buttons
Well, that was abrupt.
Sauve qui peut!
:D
then inactive:
Anyone care to take a guess at what that means? Something I learned in French
20:39
except I accidentally deleted the mute button...
@Mateo ... Okay, I see. I think it would be better to have an extra thing in the Sound Settings where you can say which ones you do & don't want instead of having that extra icon on the menu itself.
then you can have shortcuts to your "favorite" ones
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Q: screen command not showing alwayslastline

s g I have a ~/.screenrc file that contains the following lines: # 2.2) hardstatus = navigation bar @ bottom hardstatus alwayslastline "%H %-Lw%{= BW}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<" I have to admit that I don't know about the magical syntax there, but it has worked on countless Ubuntu machines to show s...

Supposedly, the ability to easily customize these menus is "coming" but it's been "coming" for quite a while now :P
@RPiAwesomeness yeah, that would work, show a list then remove them in the sound settings, but a smaller footprint for the inactive ones by default
20:44
@Mateo Yeah, like @blade19899's design. Inactive ones are in a small list, and the active ones are full & have the control buttons.
Stupid Duolingo. Y U NO PLAY SOUNDS?
I do like icon + text, but yeah
@Seth That is one of the best Foxtrots :D
haha
jrg
jrg
21:01
GNU/HURD CONFIRMED!
it's like Half Life 3
except more elusive.
So there are 3 families of operating systems. DOS, Linux and BSD.
@blade19899 Voted "affects me too!" ;-)
@Fabby Hi Fabby! :) How are you?
Does the HURD differ from Linux in any core philosophies or something? Seems like a waste to be developing a kernel no one really uses and will likely ever use.
@blade19899 Do you know docker?
@ByteCommander How's Quantum physics?
>:)
Nah... Could be better. But you know: When you think you fully understood it, you surely got something wrong... So it's actually okay. ;)
21:08
@Seth I think they were tired of everyone just calling it "linux"...
@RPiAwesomeness Save All Souls...
@Mateo That's.. a silly reason. No?
jrg
jrg
@Seth HURD is EMACS
But seriously
emacs is an operating system
It re-implements everything
from filesystem calls
So the answer is "because emacs"?
jrg
jrg
to how it displays on screen
I know people who live inside emacs
jrg
jrg
and if they could fit chrome inside it, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
@ByteCommander If you take the E=mc² approach and the ventilator approach and the magnetic filed without magnet approach, it actually makes SENSE!
>:)
@jrg :D :D :D Starred!
> ambitious design which proved unexpectedly difficult to implement and has only been marginally usable
@Mateo Indeed! Monolithic Linux works... >:)
@jrg That's so MS..
21:12
Hurd was way too ambitious!
@Toroidal Read this. Do you even know what promiscuous mode is???
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@Fabby Ok, am reading that although not too sure what it has to do with promiscuous mode (or if it is meant to)... And nope, I have no idea what promiscuous mode is, that is one of the reasons why I was asking... :)
>:-)
I'll answer your question then...
I'll go for a smoke first...
The read was about: RTFM before you install random stuff that looks cool!
And always install from the standard repository, then a PPA (if really needed) and then a deb (eww!) and then source tarballs! (puke!) :P
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21:27
@Fabby RTFM? Right Tofu Fingered Monks...?
jrg
jrg
@Toroidal Read The Flippin' Manual.
@Toroidal Close: Read the Fingered Manual
>:)
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@jrg @Fabby: :D
jrg
jrg
Although I like Right Tofu Fingered Monks.
I will have to use that for something.
Q answered (I decided to go for a smoke afterwards)
21:33
@Fabby There's nothing wrong with a tarball.
[cough] Gentoo [cough]
Yeah, some of us remember when the vast majority of software you'd install on your Linux box came in tarballs. Weren't you supposed to be an old timer? :P
@NathanOsman Yes, you're right, of course... But if I have a choice of repository, PPA, DEB and tarball, then I'll always take the repository...
(unless it's a friendly developer that I can reach asking me to test something) ;-)
Hey, I have a PPA :P
(And for that exact reason - users find them easier to use.)
@terdon Yes, I'm an old fart! That doesn't mean I live in a cave and bang rocks instead of connecting to the Internet! :P ;-)
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jrg
jrg
i'm 18. I REMEMBER THE TARBALL DAYS
so actually
we reverted to that
21:39
:D
jrg
jrg
doesn't docker use tarballs under the hood?
@jrg I just installed it for a job interview from the Ubuntu repository
@jrg For importing / exporting, I believe so.
easy to remove!
No job? Out it goes!
>:)
We're moving 2buntu over to Docker/CoreOS, so if anyone has Docker questions, I may be able to answer them.
CoreOS will make you feel right at home if you're very familiar with systemd.
21:41
@jrg Yes, but you're also spreading disinformation about emacs. People star that and don't star your retraction :(
Grrrrrr
jrg
jrg
@terdon No, emacs is an operating system.
You know, in Emacsland, King RMS would shoot you for that.
@jrg Myths and lies. It's what you want it to be.
:D Here we go again!
:P
At least it lets you edit a file by default, without needing to enter some obscure mode first!
jrg
jrg
emacs = Even a Master of Arts Comes Simpler
21:43
@jrg Hey, I have a PhD and I can use it perfectly well ;)
I will admit that learning it was a significant part of said PhD. On the other hand, I looked at both vi and emacs and vi was just too scary. Emacs was far easier to learn.
jrg
jrg
I don't like vi.
Guys, guys!
Actually, Notepad++ is the best free editor I've ever used...
(No, I'm not running wine just to run Notepad++, gedit and nano will do)
jrg
jrg
REAL PROGRAMMERS USE BUTTERFLIES.
21:44
@NathanOsman Good enough!
jrg
jrg
(somebody reset the "Time Since XKCD Was Referenced" clock)
@jrg What? Neither emacs nor vi? And they made you a mod!?
I agree with @terdon - nano lets me edit the file without a bunch of cryptic commands.
Arg, those bitflipping butterflies. .
@terdon s/Notepad/nano/
21:46
For those who haven't read it, this is a wonderfully impartial reference. Those are very hard to find in the eternal editor debate:
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A: What are the pros and cons of Vim and Emacs?

GillesI use both, although if I had to choose one, I know which one I would pick. Still, I'll try to make an objective comparison on a few issues. Available everywhere? If you're a professional system administrator who works with Unix systems, or a power user on embedded devices (routers, smartphones...

@Fabby No, Run for Your Life ;)
jrg
jrg
The answer is that you use the one that is available on the system you are working on.
I am reasonably fluent in Sublime, Notepad++, Gedit, Nano, emacs, vim, Visual Studio (of the 2010 and 2013 varieties), as well as textedit.
I also found that open in word that lets you edit without screwing up normal text encoding and line endings.
@jrg What? Really? Joking apart, I thought that opening in word would automatically convert \n to \r\n.
@RPiAwesomeness Literally: "Save who can" which in English would translate to "Save All Souls"
@terdon :D :D :D Good one! I gave up on emacs after 1 day of trying to open 1 file... >:)
Good grief. Why. Why do we even have the stars anymore ...
@Fabby o.O
21:52
@Fabby Why did that give you trouble? emacs file
@Fabby Where are you getting that translation? o.O
@terdon figuratively speaking
@RPiAwesomeness It's what it means. peut means he can.
@RPiAwesomeness Sauve = save qui= who peut = can...
21:53
@RPiAwesomeness Yes, that's the idiomatic translation, not the literal one.
@terdon Ooooh. Of course.
It means save all souls...
It's like the English joke: "Why are all the French always asking for mercy?"
;-) :P
@Fabby hadn't you asked a question about finding all users who don't have home directories?
@terdon I answered one a few months back and got told off by you never to do something I did. (parse the output of ls or something or the other?)
;-) >:)
Why?
@terdon haha, that's somewhat funny because I got the same impression of emacs..
but perhaps I just didn't have a good intro :)
22:01
I actually made a feature comparison matrix of all Linux editors when I first moved over...
And emacs came out top of the list in everything I needed to do!
I just gave up doing anything at all with it after 24 hours of trying...
I suppose you have to be a level-RMS to actually be able to use it!
@Seth Dunno, I had no intro. I was just told that these are the two tools available, use one of them. vi needed to much work before I could even type anything.
As I didn't know much about anything on Ubuntu, I ended up using gedit after I nuked mu precise to to to trusty!
@Fabby I cheated. I had an emacs guru sitting next to me when I was learning. Also, the docs are very good, have a look at the emacs wiki.
Okay, Banshee has been having some issues lately.
22:03
@terdon lazy, it's only one key :P
emacs?
@Seth Yeah, but if you don't know that, you're screwed.
strange shuffling where it doesn't even play half the songs, not deleting the song I've got selected from the playlist but a different one...
I know enough vi to be able to use it for simple line editing when I have to. But emacs is always the first thing I install on any new system.
@terdon After I've finished the Linux System Administration Manual, I'll start on Go and I'll put emacs into my input queue after that! :)
22:04
@terdon if I recall my 5 minutes with emacs it was very similar.. Anyway, if you can show me a good "getting started" guide I'm cool with giving it a second chance.
Not that I'll likely replace vim with it.
@terdon well tbh every Linux sysadmin needs to know vi to a certain extent.. You can't really get around it (although I think nano is on more and more systems these days)
@Fabby The language or the game?
i think im going to install this now
btw I lost the game
@terdon :D:D:D
thank @terdon
The game is cool.
22:06
Language:
@Seth Yeah, that's about as much vi as I know. I can open a file, edit it and save it.
The language is cool too I think.
fast compile & fast execution time!
And I have nothing against other people using vi. Just don't inflict it on me.
I took the tutorial on-line and knew that go had to come before perl!
22:06
I will also cheerfully admit that it's a hell of a good editor.
@Fabby WHAT? You guys are pushing all my buttons today!
:P
@terdon Do you know go?
No, but I hear good things about it.
I don't know either... If you know both, I'll happily listen...
AFAIK, perl is interpreted...
I'm not a programmer. I only know perl, shell, awk and a teeny tiny bit of C.
I know ASM, PASCAL, C, BASIC (puke), bash, awk,
22:08
@Fabby No, and I am not qualified to compare languages if we're being serious. If we're being facetious, I'll defend Perl against all comers, but I know my limits.
LOGO!
@Fabby I have heard of it, but not sure of what it does
Whitespace!
I build a logo robot together with a friend when I was 17
LOGO ftw!
22:09
@blade19899 Look it up...
I'm in the running for a job in Amsterdam.
@Fabby Guessing thats code for it can do magic :D
If you start studying for it, I'm pretty sure they can use more people...
@Fabby Ow cool, I can use a job right about now. Exactly.
Are you close to A'dam?
I know every one cept java(Throws in cirle of hell next to PHP)
22:10
That's why I said, you dummy!
You're Dutch, so you must live within 100Km of Amsterdam!
:P
I saw that you lost your job in the chat transcript... :(
And these people are looking for developers...
@Fabby I'm close to Amsterdam by train.
Look it up, start playing with it and keep me posted on your progress!
There you go!
@Fabby Yeah, it sucked.
@Fabby Any place specific I should be researching it?
I understand: job of your life and then they let you go...
@Fabby Stop manipulating the youngsters into doing your work for you!
22:13
Huh?
@terdon No! Not at all!
I'm studying it too!
Just came back. What's the topic?
And as these people are based in Amsterdam,
Docker
and @blade19899 likes it...
22:14
why not? Maybe that's the kharma of why I heard of this job:
to give it to blade...
@Fabby If it can get me a job. I like it.
(I'm looking for a new gig too!)
i have a gig
@Virusboy For yourself? Good!
22:16
Ugh, who keeps starring irrelevant stuff? I just looked at the stars and it is completely full of stuff no one else obviously cares about.
if you've got gigs for some of us here, let us know! >:)
@Seth Maybe some people thought these would make the next shift smile???
@Seth Clean it. Just leave the fascinating things I said ;)
(I always say it when I star)
(then the person can always ask for an unstar)
@Fabby generally the rule of thumb is if no one else stars it it isn't really interesting.
Problem is that you only can unstar within 3(?) minutes...
22:19
:D Then nothing ever gets starred!
@Fabby That's not really true.
It is - if everybody would wait until another one stars something.
Is there a way to see only 2*?
^ would be a good feature!
Now it does look indeed like James Kayla has been on it again!
>:)
22:21
chat ban forever
And that although even @Toroidal isn't logged in...
@Fabby I've got some sites where you can make some money on-line. Depends how much time you wanna put in.
@Virusboy Forever? I thought you got banned for a few days, then weeks, then a year, then forever?
Oh, he is. Oops. Did not see him.
@ByteCommander It wasn't him...
I said "it looks like him.."
all irrelevant stars...
22:23
in some cases you can over step that inital few days
Anyway, I need to get up at 05:30
I'm off!
need some sleep
Still 5 hours left!
bye!
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@ByteCommander Hmm... What?
user136984
@Fabby: Goodnight! :)
Goodnight Fabby, dream of GO.
Night, Night!
user136984
22:26
@Fabby @ByteCommander: And what's this about James Kayla? Has he been back again?
user136984
Sorry, haven't been following the conversation so no idea what you guys are talking about! ;D :P
user136984
Anyway...
user136984
Goodnight guys, I'm off to bed now! :)
@ByteCommander Things have worked just fine for a long time :)
@seth you say that now
22:30
meaning?
Murphy's Law
Wow - a few minutes gone and that box pings like crazy...
@Virusboy I fail to see the relation..
anything that can go wrong will
Oh, the star spam is gone!? Did a mod delete them?
22:31
@ByteCommander Yup, with great power come itchy fingers.
It wasn't me, but I would have also.
Cleaning up the star wall is part of our janitorial duties :)
Nice. I once read somewhere that it wouldn't be possible...
That's why I looked so puzzled. ;)
@ByteCommander No, we can unstar things, no problem.
I don't unless it's the U&L chat room though.
Sometimes very useful...
Just doing a simple Java challenge on codewars, but it refuses my solution. I don't see why? >:(
When I run it locally in Eclipse, it works like a charm...
Its Java, that's why
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coding in java is like sacrificing a kitten for cross platform sort of compatibility... it's never a good idea.
22:45
^--- this
I like Java.
You may hate me for that...
oh i don't hate people that like java. i just think it's a bad execution of an idea.
Is it really still so bad?
It was slow and stuff, but nowadays?
It's a very verbose language, to put it lightly.
I believe it can compete with other languages in most areas.
What do you exactly mean with "verbose"?
22:48
its the black sheep of php
@ByteCommander i don't hate it, but you have no idea how many things get shelf-ed because under load it doesn't perform. i answered a question years ago and emailed the help department from thinkorswim with an "it works", but the OP of the question was all "I have a beast rig, and I swear it chokes under load"
And what has PHP to do with that now...?
@ByteCommander This:
class InternalNetworkIPv6RelatedButLikelyNotDHCPRelatedException;
java belongs in the same circle of hell as php
@NathanOsman ;D
Never needed that one!
22:49
I wrote Java in college once, but then I thought better of ever using it again.
So what do you guys recommend to use both on Win and Ubuntu?
I've written some too (think Android) so I'm not totally uninformed here.
@ByteCommander Qt 5 and C++11 :)
Python and PyQt5 otherwise.
Can't go wrong with either of those.
Bonus: they run on OS X too.
I never touched Qt and only have very basic knowledge on C++ due to my days programming an qfix SoccerBoard to serve as bobbycar car computer...
And you know my problems with Python... :P
Go isn't too bad for non-GUI applications.
I hate it when I get a phonecall, and get dead air. Say "I'll call you right back" and the person on the other end doesn't hang up so their line goes straight to voicemail 3 times... like an idiot.
22:52
Not even heard of Go to be honest. Only the board game...
It's a relatively new language.
But it's already gaining a lot of traction.
Go is interesting, but not having enough traction for me yet. There's a library for everything in C++ or Python.
Docker and etcd are both written in Go.
What I used to write was BlitzBasic. It's almost only for games though.
Go really shines when your application needs I/O performance.
But the thing that really makes Go appealing is the build environment. Dependencies are specified in the source code so you never need to do anything before building an application. The compiler fetches the dependencies for you.
And there are no shared libraries either. Just a single executable - it doesn't even depend on libc - it issues syscalls directly to the kernel.
So deployment consists of "copy executable and run".
The compiler can cross-compile to any supported architecture, so you could build the Linux version from Windows or vice-versa.
Instead of threads, Go uses goroutines, which are far more lightweight and literally nothing in the application blocks - file reads, socket I/O, you name it.
23:42
I think I've finally isolated the block of code that's causing my Qt app to work incorrectly on ARM.
Anyone see any use in keeping this?
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Q: What advantage does a GPU card offer in an Ubuntu laptop?

MephistoThe time has come for me to buy a new laptop. I use Ubuntu (well, Kubuntu) and nothing else. Out of my working hours I use my laptop to watch movies and sometimes I have to do video conversions with ffmpeg (yeap, a standalone compilation because I do NOT want avconv, but please don't start flame ...

I think it has the potential to be a useful question but I am not sure it's worth the work.
I think it could be useful.
But I agree, it needs a bit of work.
Maybe something more like "what functionality in Ubuntu will I be unable to take advantage of on a laptop without a discrete GPU?"
yeah that sounds better. But we'll need someone familiar with the topic to do the work and I'm afraid that isn't me :/
It isn't really me either.
I'm almost on the brink of solving this bug.
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