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RPi_Awesomeness

00:00

Where does that 4194304 come from??

Fabby

I'm tired too!

RPi_Awesomeness

Oh, 4 MB. Duh

Fabby

I'll take a system backup adn have a look myself tomorrow!

RPi_Awesomeness

Ouch. It's gonna take me 3 hrs just to download clonezilla :P

I hate my internet speeds

And I really ought to stop complaining about them :P

@Fabby I figured out what to do and I've done everything up to step 3 on that post. Is that when I really need the clone/image?

Fabby

yes!!!!

RPi_Awesomeness

00:05

kk

Fabby

Are you on dial-up?

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby All but.

If I'm the only one on, I can get 80 kb/s ... tops.

Fabby

And you live in the US?

RPi_Awesomeness

If anyone else gets on (eg. My mom checking Facebook) it drops to sub-56k modem speeds.

@Fabby Yup! Yay 'murica!

Fabby

Not like Africa or so?

RPi_Awesomeness

00:06

facepalm

No :)

It's quite sad really.

Fabby

Wow! I pay about 10USD/month for 50Mbps SDSL

RPi_Awesomeness

Shutup

Fabby

Sorry...

RPi_Awesomeness

My dad says "It's enough for what we need." And I'm all like..."maybe if you're the only one on, but there are others in this house!"

Anyways. I g2g. Bothersome school :P

Fabby

bye!

C U Tomorrow!

Goot luck with the state of the union! :D

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

00:37

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Q: Touchscreen Calibration using Elo Touchscreen Linux Driver

I have installed Elo Touchscreen Linux Driver - Version 4.0.1 following instruction indicated in this link: http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo-Linux-ST-USB-Driver-v4.0.1_Installation-Instructions.txt I have tried calibrating multiple screens and everything worked fine. Target screen sho...

Fabby

00:55

@Toroidal: could you have a look at the comment I left below the edit you made?

RPi_Awesomeness

Welp. Clonezilla downloaded

Fabby

All good and well to correct spelling, but if the OP doesnt provide any information, it's an extra 2 seconds to leave a canned comment! >:)

@RPi_Awesomeness: Good man! Tell dad tonight that someone was pitying you terribly today and that he thought you lived in Africa...

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby :D

Fabby

Please, do...

and tell him that made you sad...

>:)

And then tell me all about his reaction and I'll find follow-up stuff to say so that he will be so embarrassed that he will upgrade in the end!

;)

Do you believe these things might help???

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby :) Yeah...he's not the kind of person who is easily swayed :P

Anywhoozerz. I'm rebooting with Clonezilla now. Any tips/pointers?

Fabby

01:01

OK, we'll grind him down... I'm older and wiser then him...

RTFM! Always!

If you don't know what to do, ABORT

and go and read the manual!

RPi_Awesomeness

Oh gosh, it's a terminal interface?

Fabby

it's not a shame not to be Allknowning and Omnipotent!

TUI

Text User Interface.

That's why it's so fast! ;-)

RPi_Awesomeness

Fair enough

Fabby

No GUI for you!

;-)

RPi_Awesomeness

No, I'm fine with no GUI. I was just surprised!

Fabby

01:03

:)

Should I stay or should I go?

Walk you through it?

RPi_Awesomeness

Sure, you can walk me through it. That'd be great :D

Fabby

I need a smoke!

RPi_Awesomeness

Pulling up chat on my laptop

Fabby

3 minutes!

Cool!

BRB

Back

I got 4000! I didn't even notice...

RPi_Awesomeness

4k repz? Nice :D

Fabby

01:11

Before you boot:

You got 2 disks, right?

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah. SSD & HDD

Fabby

sda and sdb?

no usb stick?

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah. sda == SSD & sdb == HDD. USB stick shows up as sdg

Is there something I should do about that?

Fabby

important! where do you want to back-up to? sdg or sdb?

Thomas W.

askubuntu.com/questions/575985/… - VTC as Unclear - OR +1 my comment

Fabby

01:13

no!

RPi_Awesomeness

o/ @ThomasW.

Thomas W.

@RPi_Awesomeness o/

Fabby

reading...

RPi_Awesomeness

@ThomasW. Voted

Thomas W.

@RPi_Awesomeness @Fabby may have achieved 4k rep network wide, BUT, they need some refinement at times.

such as in terminology and such :)

RPi_Awesomeness

01:14

@ThomasW. Yes

Thomas W.

Thank you kindly! I'll say remove it if they clarify

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby Well, I'll probably be backing up to the 16GB USB stick - if possible.

Fabby

:D

RPi_Awesomeness

So, reboot now and boot the USB?

xiaodongjie

hi

Fabby

01:16

huh?

You have CloeZilla on the USB?

xiaodongjie

when 12.04.6 lts will be released?

RPi_Awesomeness

Should I reboot my desktop & boot the Clonezilla USB?

Fabby

then you cannot backup there

RPi_Awesomeness

Well....

Fabby

then you need to back-up the SDD on the HDD

that's why I asked! ;-)

psusi

01:17

well I just spent 20 minutes waiting to uninstall half a dozen older kernels... I know what itch I'm going to scratch next... making kernel packages bloody use dpkg-triggers instead of calling update-grub every frigging time!

RPi_Awesomeness

Then I'll backup to somewhere on my home partition - that's possible right?

Fabby

yup!

even in your home directory!

RPi_Awesomeness

Kewl. So...reboot now?

Fabby

@psusi: :D

@RPi_Awesomeness: yup!

RPi_Awesomeness

k

Fabby

01:19

try to answer the questions yourself, but verify with me before you actually make the choice...

;-)

RPi_Awesomeness

Erm...I'm at a GRUB prompt?

Fabby

doing noting = also making a choice (also in life)

ByteCommander

Good evening anybody. So many sleepless people (2.20 local time but still fully awake :P)

Fabby

@RPi_Awesomeness: so? What's your choice?

the 10 seconds are over and it should have taken the default choice...

:P

RPi_Awesomeness

"Minimal BASH-like line edting is supported"

That sort of GRUB prompt...

Fabby

01:21

huh???

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah. It's the GRUB command line

Fabby

How did you make the bootable USB???

RPi_Awesomeness

Unetbootin

Fabby

ah. abort, please!

RPi_Awesomeness

ABORTED!

psusi

01:23

sounds like you're missing /boot/grub/grub.cfg

Fabby

clonezilla.org/liveusb.php

clonezilla.org/liveusb.php#linux-method-a

you need tuxboot

RTFM! :P

RPi_Awesomeness

:D

Unetbootin always worked for me before...

Fabby

You are not all-knowing and allmighty!

Remember I told you 10 min ago???

RPi_Awesomeness

Apparently not :)

Fabby

:P ;-)

If you are using Ubuntu Linux, you can use Ubuntu PPA to install tuxboot:

sudo apt-add-repository ppa:thomas.tsai/ubuntu-tuxboot
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install tuxboot
sudo tuxboot

(it's a modified unetbootin)

let me know when you're ready and hopefully no one is face-booking! ;-)

I'm fetching some tea...

@ByteCommander: I'm 2h to your East!!! ;) :P

RPi_Awesomeness

01:28

rebooting after using tuxboot...

@Fabby Same thing - I'm at a GRUB command line

I used tuxboot

Fabby

tuxboot.org/screenshots

What method did you use???

iso or zip file?

RPi_Awesomeness

ISO or zip file. I downloaded the ISO manually.

Fabby

so you used the ISO method....

RPi_Awesomeness

yes

Fabby

(do the screenshots show what you did?)

RPi_Awesomeness

01:31

Oo...could be sdg 1

Fabby

no, normally not...

you should have taken sdg

RPi_Awesomeness

That's just it. sdg1 is the only option...?

Fabby

Hold on...

let me fetch a USB stick!

back

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah, it's mounting at /dev/sdg1 for me

Fabby

take sdg

RPi_Awesomeness

01:35

I could always just dd if=/path/to/iso.ISO of=/dev/sdg ... that sounds like a great idea

Fabby

not sdg1

nono

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby I don't have an option for sdg

Fabby

show all drives

RPi_Awesomeness

Ah

But, nothing's mounted there....

Won't that mess up my system?

Fabby

Stop

Thomas W.

01:36

@xiaodongjie I don't think there is a .6

RPi_Awesomeness

$ df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda3       184G  9.2G  165G   6% /
none            4.0K     0  4.0K   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
udev            3.9G   12K  3.9G   1% /dev
tmpfs           793M  1.6M  792M   1% /run
none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
none            3.9G  764K  3.9G   1% /run/shm
none            100M   52K  100M   1% /run/user
/dev/sda1        93M  3.4M   90M   4% /boot/efi
/dev/sdb2       914G  147G  721G  17% /home
/dev/sdg1        15G  8.0K   15G   1% /media/nate/Entec 16GB

Fabby

lest take 1 step back

yes.

sdg1 is a partition!

RPi_Awesomeness

I know that.

Fabby

it can be wiped, right???

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah

Well. I'm trusting you...

Fabby

01:37

so sdg is the disk...

wait...

RPi_Awesomeness

Yes

Thomas W.

@xiaodongjie Take a look at the Precise release schedule, detailing future point releases. Last point release is 12.04.5, August 7, 2014.

Fabby

I'll do it with you.

ByteCommander

@Fabby So you have 0:37 and are sitting in western Russia?

Fabby

@ByteCommander 04:37 Moscow

Thomas W.

01:38

@xiaodongjie However, the point release doesn't really mean anything, as sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade and the point release end up being the same thing - the point release doesn't really affect all the software you get during updates.

image respins afaik

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby So...do I click OK?

Fabby

@RPi_Awesomeness: quit

then: sudo tuxboot

RPi_Awesomeness

Quit Tuxboot?

Fabby

and sudo it...

RPi_Awesomeness

okay

Done

Fabby

01:38

click pre-download

RPi_Awesomeness

okay

Fabby

iso is set

3 dots

RPi_Awesomeness

Just set it

ByteCommander

Oops. Geography is not one of my strengths. Right, in the east sunrise comes earlier. Are you never sleeping?

Fabby

show all drives

RPi_Awesomeness

01:39

Done

Fabby

/dev/sdg

RPi_Awesomeness

selected

ByteCommander

Hm, maybe better to leave you two alone until you're finished with whatever you do. See you.

RPi_Awesomeness

\o

Fabby

:D

RPi_Awesomeness

01:40

Okay, now what?

Fabby

OK

RPi_Awesomeness

click it?

Fabby

yup

RPi_Awesomeness

Extracting...

Fabby

good!

RPi_Awesomeness

01:41

Complete

Fabby

in bash: type sync

RPi_Awesomeness

sudo sync, or just sync?

Fabby

sync

RPi_Awesomeness

Done

Fabby

eject usb

plug in server

RPi_Awesomeness

01:42

Server?

Fabby

turn it on and boot

pc?

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah, just a PC

The PC I flashed the ISO on.

Fabby

Sorry!

RPi_Awesomeness

So, reboot with the USB plugged in, correct?

Fabby

Hold on: I thought you had a laptop with this window open

and a PC which you're going to clone...

RPi_Awesomeness

01:43

I do. I have the ISO & Tuxboot on my desktop though

Fabby

Correct?

OK!!!!

RPi_Awesomeness

And I'm cloning the SSD in my desktop.

Fabby

Turn that one on and boot the USB

RPi_Awesomeness

Okay.

aaand. GRUB command line again

Fabby

Damn!

RPi_Awesomeness

01:45

ikr

Fabby

(thinking)

what's the md5sum of the iso you downloaded?

RPi_Awesomeness

just a sec...

83f1e5b03b74927a174357bc853fe4aa

It checks out correctly

Fabby

which did you take???

RPi_Awesomeness

clonezilla-live-2.3.1-18-amd64.iso

$ md5sum clonezilla-live-2.3.1-18-amd64.iso
83f1e5b03b74927a174357bc853fe4aa  clonezilla-live-2.3.1-18-amd64.iso

This is rather perturbing

Fabby

is that an UEFI machine???

RPi_Awesomeness

01:49

Yes

At least, I think so

Fabby

ah: alternative release....

Yes or no?

maybe isn't good enough...

RPi_Awesomeness

Um, not that I can think of. I just downloaded the default release for AMD64

Didn't have any trouble with regular Ubuntu...

Fabby

ok non-uefi...

thinking....

RPi_Awesomeness

I had to have an efi partition when installing, if that's anything

Fabby

but you disabled secure boot

RPi_Awesomeness

01:51

@Fabby Yes. It was never enabled to begin with.

Fabby

and then you wiped it and did normal bios install...

RPi_Awesomeness

wiped it?

Fabby

lemme think

RPi_Awesomeness

I didn't wipe anything.

Fabby

the uefi partition...

ah!

RPi_Awesomeness

01:52

I built the PC.

Didn't come with Windows

Fabby

it has an uefi bios but was never activated!

RPi_Awesomeness

I guess?

Fabby

good!

clonezilla.org/downloads/download.php?branch=alternative

amd64

zip

RPi_Awesomeness

That's gonna take like half an hour to download and I'll have to be off my computer by then :P

Dang computer curfew :P

Fabby

tell dad that the computer needs to stay on

in the living toom

told to you by Ubuntu Customer support

RPi_Awesomeness

01:54

;)

Fabby

By a guy older then your dad!

RPi_Awesomeness

Yeah, sure. He'll love that :P

Fabby

And no one is lying!

It's the truth!

I'm telling you:

leave the laptop in the living room

so that it can download this!

my download just finished!

:P

tell your dad that customer support now has to keep this ticket open

and it's not good for their KPIs

you got all that?

you fainted?

Or showing this to your dad?

RPi_Awesomeness

;)

Fabby

I need to go off shift now!

RPi_Awesomeness

01:57

Nah, I'm here. Just looking through my BIOS settings

Fabby

good!

RPi_Awesomeness

It's set to Legacy+UEFI. It's that or UEFI only.

chili555

Que pasa, senor @Fabby?

Fabby

read the text I wrote what you need to tell!

@chili555: Hi Chili

RPi_Awesomeness

I did :)

Fabby

01:58

our friend @RPi_Awesomeness is on computer curfew

Thomas W.

@Fabby really?

Fabby

so I told him to tell his dad

Thomas W.

@RPi_Awesomeness WHAT DID YOU DO TO GET ON COMPUTER CURFEW!

chili555

Awwww, daddy put the brakes on?

RPi_Awesomeness

@ThomasW. Parents :P

Thomas W.

01:59

@RPi_Awesomeness WHAT DID YOU DO

Fabby

that Ubuntu Customer support!

Thomas W.

@RPi_Awesomeness mine were better than that though

RPi_Awesomeness

I've always had this darn thing

Fabby

told him to leave the laptop running in the living room all night!

the TRUTH!

no lying!

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby I can leave the computers on, I just can't use it

Fabby

02:00

no worries!

I'm off to bed anyway!!!!!

RPi_Awesomeness

@Fabby Yeah. We can pick this up tomorrow :P

Fabby

Good night everyone! ;-)

yup!

RPi_Awesomeness

o/

Fabby

success!

chili555

Via con Dios, Sr. @Fabby

RPi_Awesomeness

02:02

@Fabby ??

UEFI....such a trouble maker

@ThomasW. Yeah. Mine are dreadfully strict. And they say our internet is "good enough".

No computer games, no youtube, hardly any internet unless I have strict permission.

Have to have the door open when I'm on my desktop, can't use the computer after 9PM, the list goes on and on.

It's quite dreadful

Mateo

Well, at least you have ubuntu

RPi_Awesomeness

@Mateo ikr.

I'm amazed at what they give me/let me have compared to what they don't.

I mean, how can they expect me to have such a powerful PC...and not be able to use the internet/game?

Parents are strange some times ....

Oh well.

I'm off. Talk to you tomorrow @Fabby

xiaodongjie

okay, I know that there is not .6

what difference between .5 and .4?

chili555

.1

Thomas W.

@xiaodongjie nothing, except that the images are respun with later things, I believe. I could check, but the point is that there's no need to worry about the point releases - ultimately, you get the same packages by standard updates anyways

@xiaodongjie The closest similarity is a Windows Service Pack...

32

Q: What are point releases in LTS versions?

There are so called "point releases" for LTS versions of Ubuntu. 10.04.3 for instance. What are those "point releases" releases?

release-management

xiaodongjie

02:13

oh, I think so. there are no many difference.

major difference is?

kernel and X?

Thomas W.

@xiaodongjie X version wouldn't change between the point releases. Kernel would have changed many times but if you install 12.04.1 and you want to install 12.04.5, there's no need to - the standard updates are what the point releases are based on

@xiaodongjie Read this: markshuttleworth.com/archives/146

@xiaodongjie the kernels when backported from newer releases add the hwe - hardware enablement stacks - and that's when you get them during point releases - however these are made available WITHOUT a need to reinstall

To quote Mark Shuttleworth:

"These point releases will include support for new hardware [through kernels and HWE stacks] as well as rolling up all the updates published in that series to date."

(the [ ] portions are added by me based on knowledge I know that isn't in Mark's blog)

xiaodongjie

yes. And Hardware Enablement Stacks is major goal of PointRelease?

Thomas W.

@xiaodongjie if you're not going to read Mark's blog post you need to be taught that we don't spoonfeed answers

The full quote:

"These point releases will include support for new hardware as well as rolling up all the updates published in that series to date. So a fresh install of a point release will work on newer hardware and will also not require a big download of additional updates."

read that

if you STILL don't understand it, we can't help you understand it better.

@xiaodongjie the point releases do not, however, impact in any way an already existing 12.04.* install that is less than 12.04.5

xiaodongjie

oh, yes. Now clearly understand.

Thomas W.

as those can already get the updates through standard updating

@xiaodongjie so it's a respin for the images, bundling up additional updates and the newer HWE stacks and kernels, basically.

xiaodongjie

02:22

:) thank you very much.

Nice talking.

Thomas W.

otherwise, it's not any different than precise 12.04 repository + precise-updates repository + precise-security repository

(it only really affects the images, not existing 12.04 installs)

xiaodongjie

yes.

RPi_Awesomeness

The BS-O-meter is going over 9000 in this State of the Union address. Yargh.

ByteCommander

@RPi_Awesomeness Want to explain what you're talking about to a poor german student sitting in the dark in front of his laptop at 3:28 am?

Virusboy

02:38

Us Preident Slenkoff Spreaka ve shiza @ByteCommander

@RPi_Awesomeness what else is new

ByteCommander

@Virusboy what? I'm not interested in anything belonging to politics. As long as I did not miss the presidential elections, everything is fine. Or did I? x) ;P

Virusboy

you have this year to get inoculated if your allergic to BS.

Campainging starts mid year.

jrg

Yay, elections.

So, @RPi_Awesomeness - since you watched it, how bad was the SOTU?

Let me rephrase that: How much of a criminal am I?

RPi_Awesomeness

03:33

@Virusboy ;)

jrg

Does anyone see anything decidedly anti-linux here? newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232222

Seth

@jrg yeah. Has to happen sometimes though. The modern world couldn't have gotten this far without things like mills and whatnot, terrible as they were at the time.

jrg

→ 20 messages moved to POLITICS #lol

2

Seth

on the other side, doesn't always need to happen.

jrg

@Seth Yup.

RPi_Awesomeness

03:52

> Windows 8.1 64-Bit

Lucky duck, you can spend $1k on a laptop. I couldn't even spend $1k on my desktop :P

In other news, I'm missing the joy of researching parts and searching for deals that I had when planning my build.

Having the PC built is good and all, but the expectation and the planning is so much fun. I'm missing it greatly :'(

Seth

@jrg A friend of mine has that exact machine.

Runs Arch just fine afaik.

Virusboy

8.1 is not worth a half chewed on dime

Seth

works just fine for me, when I'm forced to use Windows.

Virusboy

Yea, but not worth buying is what I am saying

Seth

Windows, worth buying? Nice try ;P

Virusboy

04:07

Gotta love the idiots who submit commits and bug report links

Seth

@jrg Correction: Everything worked except the keyboard backlight, which he manually fixed in the kernel driver.

(or some such way, he didn't go into specifics but that is what I remember from before)

Virusboy

Wine AppDB isnt safe from the Winblows morons

jrg

04:19

@RPi_Awesomeness trust me, this isn't going to be paid off in full for a bit.

@seth OK. Then I think I'll pull the trigger after payday. Thanks!

@seth keyboard backlight isn't as big of a deal for me. I appreciate it, but I learn the keyboard pretty well after a week or 2

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