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22:00
Then, you still got it from MS, I suppose...
I have the XP one they made available.
Yeah, they have them all up there now. There's even a script on github to pull them down, and spin up the vbox image for you.
It's very nostalgic to fire up IE 6.
then you can also make a snapshot from before you launch each one
(Mostly bad memories, though.)
22:04
@Mateo that
@Mateo Yup, that's what I do.
I wonder what happens if you install an app suite then try to sysprep one of those images?
I need to redo my vm's, had them all going on 12.04
Check the repo above. It's a super-lazy way to set them all up.
I had to move all of mine to an external HD though to free up space.
My 500Gb HD is was nearly full. To think I used to install and uninstall games after copying out savegames to free up space on a gasp 540Mb HD, and it was big at the time.
Yeah, the images are pretty big.
22:10
I wonder if Windows will ever come up with something like LXC to do overlay filesystems for multiple windows versions...
Docker announced that they were working on something with Microsoft.
No idea what that's going to look like.
You have a link? I would expect the thing they would be working on would either be docker containers of Windows images that are just the whole shebang or making you not need to use boot2docker to use docker on windows. More probably the latter.
Ah, so both - but targeting server and leaving desktop out. That makes sense I suppose.
well stuff like cluster computing, and software raid 5 was never in desktop... that always made me sad
they just sort-of greyed out the options on xp
22:25
Well it's better than the super-stripped minimal choices model they have going now, I think.
Windows Starter
  no features and really stripped
Windows Home Basic
  can't auth to a domain
  basic multimedia
Windows Business
  can auth to a domain
  no multimedia
Windows Ulitmate
  who really doesn't choose this one?
then pro
Yeah. I haven't reviewed the tiers since I sat for some MS cert years ago.
or is that for 8 you are laying out?
Yeah, I usually went with Pro.
It was 7 if I'm remembering right.
22:28
7 starter you couldn't even change the background without hacking
I managed to get the Media Center add-on for Windows 8 while it was offered for free.
@Mateo I remember that. The fun part was that you could upgrade directly to Windows 8 Pro from 7 starter (for $40) :P
Yeah, I remember when that was sold as a separate OS, and it totally flopped.
That wasn't even the most annoying aspect.
@NathanOsman well... on the 1ghz 1gb notebook...
They wouldn't let you use multiple monitors.
@Mateo Yup, that's the one.
22:30
I just took both of them to ubuntu :)
I've got the netbook dual-booting Utopic and Win8 Pro now.
Hah. Yeah, I just used to install k-lite mega in the XP days. Not sure if it's still as functional as it used to be.
Windows 8 is painfully slow if you want to do anything serious on it (on a 1 GHz netbook, that is).
@hbdgaf combined community codec pack is the one I used
It ran fairly smooth on my quad-core desktop with an SSD. But then I installed Ubuntu on the SSD and moved Windows to a mechanical drive.
22:31
am I thinking of the same thing?
It was probably a similar thing. Basically it was a Windows build of all the ffmpeg codecs with a couple of extra shim pieces.
yep
Windows reads most codecs out of the box now.
(Except, oddly enough, MPEG2 - for DVD playback. That's an extra cost.)
user136984
Goodnight to you all! I'm going to bed! :)
did they start shipping with dvd, aw...
22:33
kk later @T
Really? How does it handle VCDs DVDs etc.
@NathanOsman beat me to it
usually the manufactures ship a crippled free version with nero or that other cenima thing
Yeah, k-lite mega included dvd-decss and a few other niche things to let you play almost anything.
VLC includes an MPEG2 decoder, so I don't care that much.
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upgrade to do things like surround sound, dolby, ect.
fair enough. a static build of vlc would solve most all of that anyway.
22:35
Everything except playback of copy-protected blu-ray discs.
You still need proprietary software for that.
hm, there was a ppa that that took care of that for vlc linux
Really?
That would be cool.
well, that's a hardware thing too.. and the ffmpeg/avconv/vlc teams have all said they're open to taking things in to their code-base for that. the problem is furnishing a decode key doesn't really work for everyone. so unless you can get one.....
Yeah, remember how much trouble there was with decrypting region-coded DVDs?
(By trouble, I mean legal threats, etc. Actually breaking the encryption was fairly easy.)
Yeah, I just had a couple of drives and changed the region codes. One for the US, one for Asia. That played most everything ;)
I'm waiting to read the news story: "I rooted my TV to get the HDCP decode key"
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22:37
Until you wanted to rip them :P
All the ways I've seen people do stuff like chip key recovery was a sort of interesting power consumption attack that basically determined how right something was by how much juice a black-box chip pulled. Not exactly something easy to do in your basement with a multimeter and a linux box.
I'll see If I bookmarked the link anywhere at home
You know the longer you stare at it, the stupider DRM looks.
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probably something like the highest voted one of these: askubuntu.com/questions/140080/playing-blu-ray-using-vlc
I know they say it's only to stop the bad guys from getting the content, but guess what the bad guys already got the content and now I can't watch it/read it/whatever on x device I own.
22:43
Because the bad guys won't just get an hdcp box with a 3 channel component out and press record. I mean obviously. They would never do something like that...
So, it just stops the wrong people from buying/using that content.
The big problem is that once some really clever guy figures out how to bypass some form of DRM, he'll write an app that makes it easy for the common guy to do it as well.
@hbdgaf The wrong people being the consumers who don't care to give into big commercial dynasties.
@hbdgaf I have an old dvd drive that came off a compaq, it is region free :)
@hbdgaf It appears not to support 1080p.
22:48
@NathanOsman It was the first google result. I'm sure there's one that does all the nice things. The point was - 50 bucks on amazon to bootleg blu-ray? Yeah. That was effective.
@Seth Yeah. My thing is, I shouldn't have to buy more hardware to buy your blu-ray or install some other OS. If I have some random hardware that will read a blu-ray... I should be able to have it just work. I shouldn't have to get together with a bunch of reversers to dump your firmware, steal your vendor key every couple of months when you change it, and keep distributing it.
In other news, the model I've seen locals use to pirate blu-ray resolutions is to buy the "special editions" at WalMart that include a copy digital streamed via VUDU then screen-grab it or rip the stream.
I haven't personally done either, but we had a guy come in buying stacks and stacks of blu-ray discs and redeeming his VUDU copies in store. I have my doubts it was for legitimate use.
23:05
@hbdgaf exactly.
Yeah, that is neat. A tiny usb hub, mmc reader, and passed through port all in a phone sleeve.
23:21
Not terribly useful for me since I'm opposed to microSD cards in Android phones :P
(It's a nightmare for developers.)
Yeah.
23:43
geez, used a one-liner to clean out my /boot of old linux kernels, and it purged some things i didn't want purged. it broke build-essential dependency chains. i think i got the apt-cache back in a consistent state. hopefully i didn't hose my box. i may need a really big bandaid on my next reboot.
@hbdgaf: askubuntu.com/questions/569679/… you're user type 4!
:D
user43095
@hbdgaf askubuntu.com/a/367718/210972 This one works for me.
Not a Ubuntu related question, but on in a bit of a panic and this is the most active room. I seem to have broken the DNS for one of my customers domains. I changed the name server and everything stopped working so I have changed it back. A record resolution for qldconservation.org.au is still failing after 12 hours.
What OS?
What DNS?
If you use the "right" DNS server directly and query the domain, does it still fail? Think, resolve directly on the NS for the domain instead of 8.8.8.8 or whatever?
23:51
Both the old NS server (ns1.elevenhost3.net) and the NS server I tried to change it to (freedns1.registrar-servers.com) work when queried directly.
The register is CrazyDomains.
I'll look at it in a minute. Something somewhere in the chain towards root dns servers is probably cache-ing for way longer than is appropriate.
Does it just not resolve, or does it resolve to something that is dead?
What did you set the TTL to prior to making the change?
ip responds
@JeffreyLin I used one a lot like that, but the reason it didn't work was that it looked for old versions of more than one thing... and cleaned up my current gcc install because a newer one was in repo and in the apt-cache. The problem was that, I couldn't install anything - boot was too full. So when the old versions were installed, I hit dependency hell. I think I have it fixed. It has just been a while since I oopsed on something this possibly horrible.
23:54
local aussie ns responds too
It doesn't resolve at all. DNS traversal tools are getting NXDOMAIN.
local ns1 responds
now trying 2
so both local NS respond (Local = local to you)
now tracing remote (mine: sweden)

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