Ask Ubuntu General Room

hbdgaf

12:00

This is hilarious: youtube.com/watch?v=hnaOpWCJwXU

Fabby

@hbdgaf You still awake?

ByteCommander

@Fabby Hi there and good morning ;D! I yesterday finally managed to enter just 5 minutes after you left. There was a setting in firefox's about:config that was wrong, but now I'm here.

Fabby

:) What time is it now?

ByteCommander

I have 13:11 local time. Hey, it's weekend - why should I get up before diner?

Fabby

Sorry for the late reply: the system was swapping...

I had to kill off a big task.

So, what did you want to talk about?

@ByteCommander: hullo?

hbdgaf

12:16

@Fabby I'm re-awake. I took a nap.

Fabby

@hbdgaf Awake every 4 hours, hey?

ByteCommander

Sorry, got disturbed. Nothing special, just a bit chatting.

Only answering people's questions and getting downvotes is not really exciting...

Fabby

@ByteCommander: so you poor schmuck still has to support an XP machine, right?

hbdgaf

@Fabby something like that. It gets a little odd on the weekends, when I don't have work to do a long cycle in the middle and I have to resync on Monday...

ByteCommander

schmuck? what do you mean (sorry, I'm no native speaker - living in Germany)

Fabby

12:18

@ByteCommander: that's one of the things I'm trying to change: that people on the site become a little nicer but alas...

Kein Problehm!

hbdgaf

@ByteCommander You know british english? The poor sod is how it would be said there...

Fabby

Schmuck is (lemme thing of the german word)

der Beknackte comes close

ByteCommander

I know this English that i'm getting taught at school and that I read about in pc books etc, but until now I did not understand any of you

Fabby

poor soul is another English term

ByteCommander

okay, now i got it finally.

Fabby

12:21

Dein Englisch ist besser den mein Deutsch!

denn?

As isst es: den oder denn?

ByteCommander

yes, there is little budget on new computers/os, thats one reason why I switched to Ubuntu on my (second hand) laptop

Fabby

Es isst zeit 20 Jahre das ich Kein Deutsch mehr geschrieben habe...

ByteCommander

besser ALS mein Deutsch ;D

Fabby

So let's keep English

You see?

ByteCommander

and isst means eat

Fabby

12:23

Understanding is stil 90%, but talking or writing... :(

ist?

ByteCommander

it is = es ist

Fabby

There you go!

:D

You see that your English is better then my German???

ByteCommander

Yes, but English is definitely 300% easyer than German!

Fabby

Not really: German grammar is easier,

ByteCommander

How comes that you are able to speak German anyhow? Where are you from?

Fabby

12:24

but English spelling is a nightmare!

I had a German GF...

ByteCommander

Okay, german spelling might be easyer, but grammar???

Fabby

Sorry! yes!

German grammar is more difficult then English

but English spelling is more difficult then German

E.g. Worcestershire and Leicester Square

How do you pronounce these???

Wuste and Leste...

Anyway, how come you program microcontrollers?

building robots???

ByteCommander

There is a joke "Deutsche schreiben <Wie bitte?> und sagen <Hä?>"!

Fabby

:D

That's an exception.

Zug is Zug

Bonn is an exception to the rule

It should be "Bon"

ByteCommander

Yes, quite. I'm in my last school year before A-levels in March

Fabby

12:29

17 then?

:P

ByteCommander

no, adult - and last year there was a program at the lokal university called sia

Fabby

Do you build robots? I'm interested why you're interested in micro-controllers...

ByteCommander

... which means about student engineer academy. We there got the task to build an e-Bobbycar

Fabby

Got a pic?

Smoke! BRB!

ByteCommander

which means we got a BobbyCar and a qfix-Soccerboard (ATmega128 + some Hardware) and a solar panel and an e-motor and stuff

and finally after one year we had an economic e-car for kids

wait, I'll search one.

Fabby

12:34

@hbdgaf: so you're British?

hbdgaf

@Fabby No. I find that a lot of my Europe based friends can get British expressions more than American expressions. So, it's easier me to translate... since I mostly don't know their native tongues.

And since I also hear British expressions a bit, and can make the leap without being told from context, I just find that an easier way to explain more often.

Fabby

:) Good man!

I've got a mix between the two: so sometimes I'l use the American and sometimes I'll use the British term

Silver bullet, locked and loaded, riding shotgun, talking to a man about his horse, ...

All the cowboy terms are American! ;-)

But some I don't know where I've got them from.

hbdgaf

I do like some of the German loan words. schadenfreude is a great one. I had a markedly British woman I worked with at one point. If you got her really worked up, or she told a story from her childhood, she would revert to British words... like "My father was riding his bike, and a Lorry mirror picked him up from under his coat" etc etc.

Fabby

you East Coast or West Coast??

Fingerspitzengefühl!

FLAK!

hbdgaf

I've been both and central, but East Coast right now.

Fabby

12:39

You know those 2 German words?

the first one would be translated by "I feel it in my water"

ByteCommander

hbdgaf

No. I only usually learn them one someone tells me one. I find that I often like them.

Fabby

and the second one is a WWI term, so I suppose known in the US as well!

hbdgaf

@ByteCommander That's pretty neat.

Fabby

@ByteCommander: very cool!

Finger = finger

spitz = top

gefühl = sensitive

basically one word to say "I feel it in the tips of my fingers"

hbdgaf

12:41

I googled it and found a translation that makes sense to me. It's sort of like "intuit" or "make the leap to the answer"

Fabby

more then that:

ByteCommander

what about "kindergarten" "rucksack" "sauerkraut" "blitzkrieg" "wunderkind"?

Fabby

Like when you type a console command without your brain interfering....

hbdgaf

Okay, so it also connotes a sort of muscle memory

@ByteCommander 4 of 5.

Fabby

you look at what you just typed and go: "Gosh, I didn't even think of that"

yes!!!

That was what I was looking for!

muscle memory = "fingerspitzengefühl"

hbdgaf

12:43

Nice one.

Fabby

and FLAK is Flugzeug Luft Abwher Kannone

so when the British and the Americans were getting heavy resistance flying bomber missions over Germany, they received "FLAK"

Flak = heavy resistance.

hbdgaf

Yeah, I checked. Is it a connotation word too? I've seen flak used here as something like "I'm just giving you shit." or "I'm just joking even if it's a little harsh"

Fabby

But @ByteCommander 's words are better

Kindergarten :-)

rucksack is I think a WWI term.

hbdgaf

Yeah, I knew them. I didn't know kindergarten came from german, but I knew the rest. blitzkreig from chess when I was like 14.

Fabby

:D

Do you know the word bakelite?

hbdgaf

12:46

no

Fabby

@ByteCommander? you?

"Bakeliet"?

That was the first plastic around...

it is still used today in stuff that needs to be heat-resistant

Like server plugs.

hbdgaf

Like bullet proof telephones ;) that can be used as melee weapons.

Fabby

:D

That's Kevlar.

ByteCommander

But having Fingerspitzengefühl is more like to be very careful (sorry, got disturbed again for a minute)

Fabby

Bakelite breaks easily

ByteCommander

12:48

and rucksack is just backpack

Fabby

yes, that too!

yup!

@Hi, Rinzwind!

Rinzwind

yo

Fabby

Another one whose withdrawal was getting too much for him!

:D

need c o n n e c t

;)

hbdgaf

@ByteCommander I think I understand that bit of connotation then. People that have a large degree of muscle memory about a thing would also tend to be careful or precise. You don't get really good at something through repetition and do it automatically by doing it wrong a lot. This is why I like some of these loan words. rucksack not so much a good one. The ones I like are the complex ones that you have to see from several angles to really get the word.

It just makes me respect UN translators a lot more, because they have like a 5 second read-ahead in their brain, and they can't stall or it's over.

Fabby

Same at the EU commission and parliament

hbdgaf

12:54

Yeah, so you know what I mean.

Fabby

Indeed! I once had to play translator between a French client and an American high-level engineer.

But I could tell him to hold on while I translated some finer details that mean nothing in French...

like "silver bullet"

hbdgaf

We had a tri-lingual instructor in highschool. It was fun to get her spooled up, because she'ld switch at random. You'ld get a sentence of gibberish unless you knew all 3.

Fabby

:D

hbdgaf

@Fabby Hah, yeah.

Fabby

some things translate perfectly in many languages though "snowball effect" is one of them.

Every one in Western culture understands

But E.G. in South Africa it just means nothing!

Same as in wearing a green suit in the US is not done,

in Italy you never wear green socks!

hbdgaf

12:57

Yeah, I can't see a language worth learning that doesn't have an expression for something continuing to gain momentum out of control. There has to be an equivalent expression for them.

Fabby

They used "dam break"

Everyone has a dam in their garden for the dry season....

In the US, a green suit makes suppliers or customers subconsciously think of money

In Italy it means "dumb"

because (andthat show how agrarian Italy is)

hbdgaf

Yeah. I can get that... it's like blue being used in advertising et al with color connotations/instincts.

Fabby

samesame

"you've got green socks" means: "you've been running wearing white socks without shoes in the green grass"

(and now the white socks are green) and that's pretty dumb!

So if a foreigner wears green socks, it's a cause of hilarity in Italy!

:)

hbdgaf

So, it would relate significantly to the expression mostly related to deep south government supported people "barefoot and pregnant"

Fabby

Yeah!

That's a good one!

another: Q: "whose fault is it if a woman comes out of her kitchen?"

A: "Her husband's: he made the chain too long!"

ByteCommander

13:04

that one could be from my former french/"gemeinschaftskunde" (community science?) teacher!

hbdgaf

oh no. we're moving towards the misogynist jokes. i never found a woman i didn't want working a job just like me. i'll take out the trash and mow the yard if she cleans the house. if she wants me to clean the house, it's fine we'll rotate. it's my markedly fair response to women's lib.

Fabby

I'm the cook here!

I'm also the washer woman, the cleaner

I just don't like ironing!

(only my own shirts!)

hbdgaf

that's fine. the last successful one i had, we rotated cooking duty. and i've always ironed my own shirts.

Fabby

Women's blouses are just too finicky for me!

she wants to cook, but...

... she's home later then me most of the times

and my grub is just better!

@ByteCommander: you know any good misogynist jokes?

hbdgaf

Yeah. As long as you can agree on a balance.

I've got them, but I don't put them here on AU. It's not something for polite company... and since it's public and documented for all eternity... just saying.

Fabby

13:09

I don't mind cooking every day as long as she brings home some KFC once/month and a pizza once/month

hbdgaf

And there's your balance.

Fabby

:D

hbdgaf

I cooked every saturday morning and afternoon, because she bought sushi and beer on friday night. BALANCE

Fabby

I disagree. For Archaeologists in the future to find these things when men are extinct,

we should use them today!

:D

Good one!

I remember telling my cousin's husband:

"look back and tell me what you see"

"my wife"

"And what is she carrying?"

"a crate of beer"

So, YOU'VE GOT THE PERFECT WIFE!

(she still reminds him about that one...)

;-)

hbdgaf

Yeah. I had something similar to that happen where a fellow looked at me all crazy and said "Geez, that's really out there. You might want to be careful with that one." my response: "Nope. That means she's a keeper"

Fabby

13:14

>:)

Yup!

Is she still?

(being kept?)

hbdgaf

We had a budgeting disagreement and I came home to an empty house with a pillow and a blanket on the floor one day.

Fabby

Been there, did that, got the t-shirt

The only thing I found was the micro-wave...

I still think they were planning to get back and take that one too... >:)

smoke!

hbdgaf

Better off for it though. I own my walls and floor now. Shame she didn't hold out that long. Anyway, I've bought a microwave for a single mother before just because no 12 year old shouldn't be without a microwave.

@Fabby what smoke detector are you watching?

12 yr old was the daughter, not the mother. The mother was all self aggrandized as "I been doing this myself for so long, it's fine. I'm used to it." my response: "So, you're not part of a team. You just do it yourself all the time. Now you have a car full of clothes, an empty apartment with no furniture or appliances, and a 12 yr old. Seems like you're making the right decisions..."

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Fabby

:( Yeah...

Oh, and the smoke detector???

My lungs!!! :D :D :D

I went out for a smoke!

(on the balcony)

hbdgaf

13:21

Cool. I can do that without leaving the keyboard.

Fabby

I don't smoke inside any more...

hbdgaf

I understand. It makes a lot of sense.

Fabby

Reminds me of a ConfCall I had with the US:

Me: "Cut the chit-chat gys, are we finished or not?"

"because I'm dying to get a fag outside!"

(silence)

me: "OK, what other gaffe did I do now?"

hbdgaf

oh noes....

Couldn't be persuaded though. I did my part to try and fix it. Like: "Oh, so you're a sm that just got an apartment, you have nothing, and you need everything. Are you throwing a house-warming party? You know, where you invite everyone over, cook some food, and have a party. Everyone brings you something you need for your house." -- "Well no." >.>

Fabby

someone: "You mean 'smoke', right?"

<Sigh>

hbdgaf

13:23

Well, it was bundle of sticks, cigarette, or something else. I would have guessed cigarette.

Fabby

Yeah...

He called me back later to explain the fine details of the American word "fag"

;)

hbdgaf

Oh, so you didn't know...

Even better.

Fabby

Nope...

Now I do!

>:)

Rinzwind

@KasiyA are you sure deleting a log is the correct method? I would assume emptying them is the better approach (since a log that is open might error out the running software)

Fabby

So did you throw a house warming party?

hbdgaf

13:26

I didn't. I bought my camper with all the appliances in it. I just told her it was the thing to do. She wouldn't listen, so I bought a microwave that I had to get out of my department anyway since it didn't have a shelf placement, gave it to her with a gift receipt, so it could be returned if she wanted, and moved on.

Fabby

:-)

hbdgaf

You can't fix stupid.

Fabby

:D Didn't Einstein say smtg about that???

;-)

Rinzwind

@hbdgaf GIGA :=)

Fabby

I'm off doing some question hunting...

Rinzwind

13:27

(Garbage In Garbage Out :=) )

Fabby

Nice talking to you!

I did that a while ago: Answered a question with "vague question, vague answer"

and then flagged it!

:D

hbdgaf

@Rinzwind I'm not sure that relates, but okay. I'll move on for the time being. I have stuff to get done this weekend too.

Rinzwind

@hbdgaf :D ok

ByteCommander

Hm, also have some homework left. Essay about "Jesus in modern music". Eewwww... :P

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j0h

what does the wget option O- do in this line? wget -qO- get.elabftw.net|sh

Fabby

@j0h: write to stdout. For more info: man wget

Rinzwind

@ByteCommander Prince has a lot of that >:-D or is that not modern anymore

ByteCommander

14:27

@Rinzwind Hey, thanks for your help! Sorry, but I don't even know him. Have you some links or examples for me?

Fabby

@ByteCommander: I know who Prince is, but have no clue what the Jesus reference is about.

@Toroidal lurking in the shadows! ;-)

ByteCommander

Oh, hey. Back again? How much rep did you harvest?

Fabby

Still busy...

Only 55 until now...

ByteCommander

Respect. That is more I earned until now in a whole day (except today because of the association bonuses)

@Fabby But you dont really want me to read through that article? I would grow a beard until I reach the bottom. ;D

Fabby

No, It's an artist is all what I wanted to say!

Rinzwind

14:38

@ByteCommander here is a list of references in his music prince.org/msg/7/357806

Fabby

And @Rinzwind needs to tell you all about Jesus and Prince as I have no clue

Rinzwind

too late @Fabby

Fabby

Speaking of Jesus!

There he is!

ROTFL

Rinzwind

I Would Die 4 U
is suppose to reference Jesus and not Appelonia (the girl in the movie Purple Rain)

ByteCommander

@Rinzwind Already found this, but its also a huge page I don't really like to read just to find one song example I can interprete.

Rinzwind

14:40

you want 1 song of 1 artist?

ByteCommander

@Rinzwind No, I need about 3-5 songs. One I have for sure (some Metal from HB), but I would like to have some others from different genres.

Rinzwind

aha and how old can the song be?

ByteCommander

@Rinzwind Modern music, so at least 20th century I would say. Everything from pop to rock and maybe reggae, rap hiphop, whatever you might know.

Rinzwind

ok

Journeyman Geek

does it have to be a direct or ironic reference? ;p

ByteCommander

14:43

@JourneymanGeek Most positive about Jesus, but I'd like to have one negative example too

posted question at Christianity.SE, but they hated it. Awful that I now get answers from the Ubuntu community. HUGE LIKE!

Link: christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/36466/…

Journeyman Geek

Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam ;p

ByteCommander

have to go afk some minutes, will be back soon...

Journeyman Geek

I'm not much help otherwise. I was in a christian school like... 15-16 years ago ;p

Rinzwind

I never visited a christian school. Most in Holland have been open for all religion and had hardly any religion in school

Fabby

How about Marilyn Manson's "Personal Jesus" ????

>:)

Rinzwind

14:51

good one :D

Fabby

@ByteCommander en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Jesus

@ByteCommander: youtube.com/watch?v=Rl6fyhZ0G5E

I'm playing it! >:)

second time youtube made my system unresponsive... I'll think I'll reboot...

(saw an update flying by)

ByteCommander

Back again. Thanks @Rinzwind, @JourneymanGeek and @Fabby for your help!

Rinzwind

had a hard time finding a good song from Prince. Most are too direct or are towards "god" and not Jesus

ByteCommander

15:07

@Rinzwind This problem occured to me too. If it was that easy as I thought at the beginning, I would not have bothered anybody else with it.

Personal Jesus sounds nice, but I think I prefer the cover from Johnny Cash.

Rinzwind

Personal Jesus refers not to Jesus though :+)

ByteCommander

@Rinzwind But I can interprete it so that today's people search for somebody like Jesus to forgive them their sins and stuff, but they find only (contrary of religious? saecular?) redemption, can't I? What's your opinion?

Fabby

@ByteCommander: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_rock

Now you've got one against and a ton for!

ByteCommander

@JourneymanGeek I like Nirvana and jesus doesnt want me for a sunbeam sounds great, but there is not much text I can interprete, so this is not really something I can use. I'll put it on my playlist though.

Fabby

Christian rock...

ByteCommander

15:22

@Fabby Yeah, thanks. I already read the german article, but if I go through the whole text I again have to shave twice ;)

Fabby

:D

@Toroidal: Have a look at my last edits

@ByteCommander: where are you now?

In a public library???

Did you leave your PC unattended?

ByteCommander

here, at home. I was looking at my question at christianity.SE. Look what they did to it! Awful! christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/36466/…

Fabby

@Rinzwind: I've seen something like this: askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/366795 before

Have a look at that too! @ByteCommander

Looks like your session got hijacked.

user136984

@Fabby: Ahh, yes the formatting didn't go quite as expected there... Ooops! :D

Fabby

Do you have a practical joke brother?

@Toroidal: the reason for the code blocks

is to improve readability

maikng one huge 128 char line makes it worse

user136984

15:32

@Fabby: Yes, sorry, I will keep that in mind next time... :)

ByteCommander

@Fabby What do you mean?

Fabby

No! Don't be sorry!

We live and we learn

ByteCommander

@Fabby And what should I do with this review link?

Fabby

Naah

False alarm!

It was one of these F*cking tests!

Nothing!

Disregard!

:(

The system "tests" the reviewers.

And when I saw vandalism coming from you, I knew this couldn't be true!

but alas, the system was testing me whether I saw it was vandalism or not!

ByteCommander

You confuse me. My Firefox restarted, if that matters. but what about the review? Vandalism? HUH??? what?

user136984

15:35

I just failed one of those tests... Because the test had a grammatical error that I wanted to fix... :D

Fabby

<Sigh> I only ever failed 2 tests and they were close tests!

:D

@ByteCommander: the higher up in the food chain,

the more work you get.

reviewing new posts

old posts

edits

etc ...

ByteCommander

yeah, nice, but what has this to do with me?

Fabby

So to ensure you're doing a good job, the system every now and then interjects some "fake" edits

and I just got a "fake" edit COMING FROM YOU! :D

(so you didn't do anything wrong, your session didn't get hijacked!)

It was me freaking out on a stupid test!

I hate that!

:(

Anyway: @Toroidal: You get it right? Improve the readability! ;-) And don't be sorry: I saw this happening to someone else, so I just learned from their mistake!

You've made the mistake yourself and if you learn, you're OK! :) :) :)

user136984

@Fabby: Yes, next time I will have a closer look to see that I haven't just made it more unreadable... :D

Fabby

:D Good man!

user136984

15:41

:)

Fabby

Oh, and change your home page: it looks like something from the 90s

user136984

Which homepage?

user136984

What the website link I gave?

Fabby

Chat up a nice, friendly, cute (but not hot!) artistic girl and let her do some drawings for you!

theelectronicsproject.co.uk

Yours?

user136984

Yeah, well I actually have lost FTP access to that site... So unless I get my old (virus infested) Mac OS X 10.3.9 back up and running with Dreamweaver CS1, and backup my FTP password and then decrypt it, there is not much chance of me getting back to and updating my own site. :D

Fabby

15:43

Meh, make a new one then and have the domain name transferred...

How old are you?

user136984

I rather not say.

Fabby

No worries

You're in your teens... Listen to some seduction advice from an old fart:

if you know a girl that's a bit artistic, but not technical

Go up to her and tell her:

I've seen some of your great artwork, could you help me with my website?

If she says "yes": Good!

user136984

Ok! :D Will do! :D

Fabby

If she says no: move to another one! ;-)

user136984

:D

user136984

15:50

Have a look at this post by me guys:

user136984

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Q: Emoticons to become pictures in chat - new feature request

I think that it would be really good if in chat when you type in something like :) for it to actually when you press submit look something like this: And for all emoticons to become picture like these once you have pressed enter.