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00:04
@Mateo_ I believe so, not entirely sure however.
sup peeps
hey @hbdgaf
nice new job ;) on your linkedin
funny
Hah, yeah, I thought I'ld have a little fun with people.
You'ld be amazed the totally weird ad you get from that bit...
Yey, I came in the right time! :)
hi @Lucio
00:10
Hi there fellows
Anyone think the "yeah, but you can totally invite them to freenode#Ubuntu was out of line here? meta.askubuntu.com/questions/12359/…
o/ @Lucio
@hbdgaf agreed
it would probably be better than the personal chat services
I think one of the important things is that the chat is in a public space
Yeah. Saying contact me at gchat would be bad. Contact me at freenode where there are IRC logs and hop in to the Ubuntu channel where things will be generally nice and recorded was what I was going for...
You can still give your phone number. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
00:14
I did do that on facebook PM the other day. A fellow called me to say "dude, you should really calm the F down. this thread is out of control. i understand where you're coming from, but really. not the place for it."
Does someone knows a case where a "I want to become a leader" attitude was bad received on an IT company?
@hbdgaf want a keybase.io invite
No, thanks though. It's not something I really need at the moment. While it would be academically cool to play with, I have other things consuming my time. Wait. I might just sign up just to have it for later. Let me think.
@Lucio There are 3 places where that got construed as bad. Give me a sec and let me think about how to express it.
@hbdgaf Ha, that is exactly what I thought you were going to say xD
they sent me 9 so I can't think of that many people that would maybe actually use it
00:18
I might use it later at some point, but it's totally not something I'm needing in the barrel right now.
so if anyone else wants to make use of it around here I have a few :)
They made it quite easy, and It looks like they are going to do some cool stuff
Want to be a leader:
Stigma 1 - He just wants to be a manager. He can't actually do anything.
really common in companies/groups that are mostly auto-didacts.
Stigma 2 - If we let him do what he wants to do, he's the only one that will be able to maintain it.
the "I work with stupid people" problem
Stigma 3 - He would be a threat
related to 2, but different
Stigma 4 - No failure tolerance
i saw a boeing skunkworks video the other day that pointed out that they are encouraged to fail. if you don't fail, you're not getting ahead of anything.
nice
ducking boeing skunkworks
Yeah, when you hear structural engineers say "We're encouraged to fail" you're like "I don't want to be near their testing ground, but I bet they make some really awesome shit."
@hbdgaf I strongly agree with N4. The only issue that I encounter everyday is N2
Sincerely, I think about it everyday and am trying to reduce it as much as possible.
00:31
Documentation, documentation, documentation is the only answer I've ever found to that one. When I first ran in to it was when I was working at a college doing lab maintenance/software installation/patch management/fire control. I wanted to put up a WSUS server, but they weren't domain based - so I was looking in to threads that got WSUS working on workgroups that pretended to be domains a bit. It would have eliminated hundreds of man-hours of work, but it got denied because of 2 and 3.
This was back in the days before RODCs and credential cache-ing for longer periods on RODCs ... so - their counter was "What if the PDC goes down?" And it was valid. So, I was trying to go around it instead to save bandwidth - the whole college campus was on 1 T1 - so.... yeah, that.
Interesting.
Called Firefox but with the IE icon.
They haven't so far.
I've got the Win10 preview installed.
Me too, but they probably won't let that out until it's done.
00:37
Ah, here we go:
> "...but the product could debut at Microsoft’s Windows 10 “consumer experience” event on January 21."
oh. Cool!
I'm thinking it'll be a total removal of all the moving parts and just be a webkit browser with MS tweaks. I'ld prefer a chromium engine, but webkit is still better than the IE atrocity.
oh dear... or it might be a bing branded chrome?
I'm rather a Gecko fan myself. Does Chromium use Blink now? I thought they used WebKit before.
No idea.
Chromium, I believe, is built on webkit - but there is probably a not insignificant amount of improvement.
Then, however, I would wait for the interview where someone looks at MS and says something like - "Doesn't this sort of show that Open Source trumps your business model?"
00:40
IKR
Yup, Chrome(ium) and Safari use Blink now.
Microsoft talked a long time ago about switching to Webkit.
We already lost Presto (Opera's rendering engine). Now we're about to lose Trident (IE's rendering engine).
It would just be cool if everyone got on the same page. Less crap would break for some no reason parser bug.
That leaves us with Blink and Gecko.
Looks like we're finally getting there.
One browser (engine) to rule them all?
00:43
Yessir.
\o/
Convergence, at last!
That's not to say there won't be undefined behavior from particular vendor specific tweaks... but at least all the basic crap would just work the same everywhere.
Interesting fact: Webkit (and consequently Blink) began as a KDE project named KHTML.
So did Webkit die then?
@Seth I think most development has moved over to Blink.
Kind of like what happened with OpenOffice/LibreOffice and MySQL/MariaDB.
00:45
so more of a name+direction switch then a new project?
@NathanOsman ahhh
I haven't read up on blink. Is it essentially a fork with added awesomeness?
Well, a fork, to be specific.
^^ BAM
@hbdgaf More like "removed bloat" than "added awesomeness" at this point.
I kinda miss Opera 12, everything but its speed was awesome.
00:46
They forked it to remove a bunch of legacy code, I think.
Well, that's totally reasonable.
From Wikipedia:
> "While Chrome's version of WebCore followed its development, a large amount of its code was dedicated to enabling features which Chrome does not use (such as its sandboxing and multi-process model in WebKit2, which differs from Chrome's implementation). The fork would allow developers to simplify the codebase by removing unneeded code, while also giving them greater flexibility in adding new features."
Sorta reminds me of ffmpeg/avconv, although that is probably a bad comparison.
Heh... and some humor:
> "Blink's naming was influenced by the non-standard presentational blink HTML tag, which was introduced by Netscape Navigator, and supported by Presto and Gecko-based browsers until August 2013."
Anyone remember the <blink> tag?
hehe
00:49
I remember using that in Netscape Navigator 3 waaaaaaaay back in the day.
and marquee ;)
@NathanOsman There was no reason ever to use that thing... like EVARRRR
@Mateo_ That was IE-specific.
@hbdgaf Agreed.
aw, that one was fun
@hbdgaf Well, unless you were testing seizure-treatment drugs or something.
00:50
hahaha.
I had a copy of NCSA Mosiac at one point. Even got it running in Wine.
@NathanOsman Or rewriting a javascript version of space invaders with unicode characters.
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Q: Blink not working in Chrome

speeday125I am using blink in my application to display error message, problem is that it working in Firefox not in chrome, I don't know what is the problem ,How to make it to work in chrome?

JavaScript back in the day was a nightmare.
no kidding.
00:51
Netscape used "layers" and IE used something that more closely resembles the modern-day DOM.
So you always needed two different sets of scripts.
...and (wait for it), we didn't use jQuery for everything (gasp!)
They should have just implemented separate tags and done away with the script tag. JS should have been indicated by <AWW SHIT></AWW SHIT> and <AWW THE DEEPER SHIT></AWW THE DEEPER SHIT>
@Mateo_ I think Zalgo is mad at whoever answered that with the CSS way of doing it..
Tables for layout, anyone?
ewwww
yeah.
I still run into sites that use that sometimes.. yuck.
There's nothing wrong with tables. They're a little clunky, but that's sort of like the qt vs gtk thing. You can be really good at using one, so you stick with it... and you can suck at the other, so you don't.
00:55
Tables are fine. They just shouldn't be used for layout.
Yeah, I'ld never use them for entire site layout, but a part of a site - I don't see a problem fromatting a portion of content with them.
so, had anyone heard of avantbrowser.com before?
It's fine for displaying tabular data.
A friend just pointed it out to me.
@Seth there used to be this tool in dreamweaver that auto split a image into tables... what a nightmare. that might be where some of those sites that do them came from
00:58
Two words: image maps.
Nice pirate hat @BrandonClark
Well that didn't get very far.
@Mateo_ ouch.
@NathanOsman lol
why am I not surprised?
tables that would span rows and columns...
@NathanOsman hm, cloudflare
Probably isn't sending the HTTP Host header.
01:00
Can someone run apt-cache search datetime for me?
thanks. I had to watch some DVDs and VLC was acting up, so I'm in Windows :/
whoa, that's a bit more than I expected. Thanks!
No problem.
Can't get to Google:
01:06
@Seth VLC was acting up? HERESY!!!
Yeah it would just... stop and reset about ~10 minutes in.
I found some bugs with VLC and containers that were allowed to disagree with their bearer channels about speeds/bitrate/position in track. It was one of those "mkv says I'm supposed to be over here, but the bearer channel says I'm supposed to be over there" sorts of things.
They're generally really nasty and intentional though...
Talking about airboings
You think you've got issues with VLC...
@Lucio I don't follow...
01:12
sorry, last time I was around that would have sense
So, yeah...
@NathanOsman That's different... haven't seen that one.
@NathanOsman yes, I saw that in your stream.. That's pretty bad too :P
Hardware acceleration.
too much acceleration
01:15
@NathanOsman Cool, but that's a little narrow... as far as "usability" goes.
01:28
Visual Studio just started trolling a friend of mine:
oh hrm, I can't find the image.
user image
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Ended up it was a VS extension called "Encourage".
I smiled completely inappropriately at that exchange.
@Seth If so, you should get the following message when opening a new bracket "STOP USING THIS SHIT!"
@Lucio lol
diner is calling
later fellows.
@hbdgaf thanks for the feedback.
01:40
0
Q: Is there a policy on dodgy questions?

FabbyI don't want to get personal, so no links to example questions, but sometimes I feel uncomfortable answering some questions like: How do I hack my employers network? How do I spam my teacher? (not actual questions, but similar enough for everyone to get the point) These questions are not spa...

So much for passing the ACID3 test:
01:55
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Q: Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year

Luis AlvaradoWith the best wishes from the heart, we wish all Ask Ubuntu members a superb merry Christmas and the best happy new year a geek can find. May you enjoy this special time with the ones you love and receive this soon to be new year with love from everyone. Thank you all for making Ask Ubuntu what ...

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what does it take to get a package added to the official repos?
I just did sudo apt-get install arduino and was suprized to see it is in version 1.0.5 an ancient version from at least 2 years ago, while another stable version has existed for quiet some time.

I know how to get and install the newer version of arduino, I am just wondering what it takes to get into the universe repos for Ubuntu 14.04 or greater. I mean arduino1.0.5 is nearly obsoleted.
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Also, what is the term for those boxes that you can buy from the post office that
allow one to fill the box and pay one price no mater what the box weights?
are they still doing that?
j0h
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@NathanOsman hey, are you making asset textures?
Nope, doing some rendering in Blender.
j0h
j0h
02:11
ah
Merry Christmas, everyone!
02:50
I switched to a night-time shot.
03:01
I like it, although the water doesn't look as good as the day one.
03:50
Hooray for new monitors from grandparents that don't have horrible graphical glitches! :D
And hooray for being home, back with my amazeballs desktop :D
04:05
"\" is most certainly not the path separator in Linux/Unix.
loool
Someone's used to Windows xD
Using "\" as a path separator just makes absolutely no sense - it didn't even make sense when I was using Windows exclusively
Gosh dangit formatting
I mean, I started with Web programming (HTML/CSS) and they use "/" for paths. So to have to switch to using "\" when I started desktop programming totally threw me off every time I switched from programming Web & programming Desktop
04:45
Wait, since when did anything MS does make sense?
05:09
err.. what's that launcher/desktop file creation software called again?
aha, alacarte.
05:21
@Mateo_ That machine doesn't have Internet connection... :-/ Does Lubuntu has server release?
 
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07:33
yo!
07:54
o/
Postfix went berserk on an old server and started spamming /var/log/mail.log with a ton of junk errors.
The file has grown to over 58 MB in two days.
08:21
@NathanOsman nice :-)
09:09
@NathanOsman Thats nothing. I once had log files pile up so bad, it was around 58GB when I started deleting stuff!
yeah when we start bragging... a co-worker once saw a mysql database crashing... and could not get mysql restarted... well it WAS restarting but the 1Tb innodb backtrack file took a little bit of time to complete... pity my co-worker killed mysql about 10 times before it was found out :D
09:23
0
Q: BIND/DNSMASQ query hanging on ubuntu server 14.04.1

RCGI'm testing out a BIND and DNSMASQ configuration on my VPS. When I run a program which submits a bunch of queries (around 10-20 per second) my DNS replies stop coming back for a random amount of time. If sending something like 3 queries per second, the queries do not appear to lockup. For instan...

09:38
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Q: URGENT: How to fix unresponsive Ubuntu 14,04 installation?

AlexI have a dual boot Lenovo laptop (Windows 8 / Ubuntu 14.04) which worked just fine. Util today. When I log in to Ubuntu I type my password as usual and select for example 'Ubuntu' as the environment. After that, I only see the background image and a mouse pointer I can move, but nothing else. No ...

0
Q: How to activate wlan connection from Terminal in Ubuntu?

AlexOn a Lenovo Laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 installed I need to activate the WLAN connection from the terminal. How to start that connection? P.S. Once the graphical login worked before the connection was made automatically. So everything needed to connect must be stored somewhere. But what are the com...

Why was the deleted: askubuntu.com/posts/548003/revisions? It's a Q/A About the Firefox Developer Edition!
 
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11:51
Meh, don't think it is worth having the extra tag, its just Firefox with extra tools
 
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Q: Why did Ubuntu 14.04 installation removed my Windows?

AlexI was required to reinstall Ubuntu 14.04 on a dual-boot Lenovo laptop. During the install I choose the option 'remove Ubuntu 14.04.1 and install Ubuntu 14.04' which in the end removed my Windows installation. MY COMPLETE WINDOWS INSTALLATION HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE UBUNTU INSTALL!!!!!!!!!! Doe...

13:31
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Q: How to influence the assignment of subordinate UIDs/GIDs when creating user accounts?

0xC0000022LTo my knowledge the subordinate UIDs and GIDs are assigned to accounts in such a manner that they form a contiguous range. The range starts at 100000 by default and probably stretches to the theoretical maximum value for a UID/GID (even though I haven't found a way to query this from the shell, ...

 
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15:16
I just installed SSL, on my server, and Im trying to get that to work. but when I goto nanocluster.umeche.maine.edu I get 403 Forbidden. I've never used ssl on my server before, Im not sure how to troubleshoot this.
j0h
j0h
15:47
I have the port 443 open
so outworld connection get 403s?
j0h
j0h
ugh.. I dont know. how would I check?
16:08
go to a different site
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Q: Ubuntu program on acer computer

user96483My computer is like this- what i need to do now please?

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is there a way to ask questions on github?
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Q: Dropbox on Ubuntu types funny

Bob JacksonRecently installed dropbox (as per dropbox.com's instructions) on a linux VPS of mine and when I type letters aren't what they are supposed to be. The rest of the system works fine, just on the dropbox application letters seem to be swapped around (i.e. instead of qwerty I get c.gvn) I don't kn...

16:31
idk
17:13
@j0h you mean questions about GitHub?
Then Web Applications is the place to go :)
0
Q: Problem booting with Grub

MaxQc1Long ago I installed a OpenSuse but finally decided to remove it for non-important reasons. Right now I have installed ubuntu. My problem is : I cant get my system to fire on grub instead of the windows OS manager. When I turn on my computer, the windows OS manager fires, showing me 2 options : ...

see ^^
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Q: What's the best name for Debian packages?

the_SeppiWhenever I'm writing a software package related question or answer, I ask myself how to call those .deb files, since everybody keeps calling them what he wants. Options I came up with are: deb package .deb package debian package software package debian software package (although this doesn't ha...

17:36
Ah, the joys of shopping for replacement hard drives for your parents because their's is about to fail :)
0
Q: Ubuntu server going to sleep or not using graphics card

kscarlettI'm running a small web server on Ubuntu Server 14.04, and it keeps going into sleep. I found a solution that works here, which is "adding the kernel options "acpi=off apm=off"". I have done this, and it works, but I noticed that all the console text was incredibly big afterwards. After more foo...

 
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19:03
I just came here for a star (nudge nudge wink wink)
2
something about stars going on today?
nope
2
ahhh, right.
@janos there have a star.
So apparently it's the day we get hats for stars.
2
thanks @Seth !
now both of you will get it too ;-)
;)
19:26
stars make hats?
Yup.
cool
Yup.
WHY is it whenever I know I read something I can never find it again
I am sure I knew a website that explained how to set up 1 user with 2 passwords :P
YES GOT THE HAT \o/
got a complaint though!
Tam o' Shanter
post a chat message on 12/31 that gets starred
it is 30/12 not 31/12 :P
WAIT
gah too late.
19:40
lol
There is a 24 hour buffer for timezones.
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and this is like the 4th time I've said that in this room?
oh and at 12 it became the 31st
ok :)
lol
there I starred it
ok time to watch a movie :) bbl
 
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20:47
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Q: Why don't I get notifications about review comments?

GalgaleshI just started reviewing today and I noticed something really irritating: Questions I reviewed and posted a comment on as part of the review do not give me notifications when they get new comments. Is this intentional? It kinda makes me look like a dick when I say the question is formulated badl...

Nothing says "fun" like debugging an iOS issue for a client... without an iOS device.
Seriously, why can't Apple make their simulator run on Windows or at least Linux?
I have no intention of ever buying an iOS device, so they have nothing to lose or gain from me :P
yeah, I'm sure that is a pain.
Thankfully, Browserstack has a 30-minute trial.
So I can use the iOS simulator for up to 30 minutes to test stuff.
One of these days, I may need to break down and buy a cheap used Mac or something for testing purposes.
I can't even buy OS X for my PC since they only allow installation on "Apple branded hardware."
Though I suppose I could just stick an Apple sticker on my PC and call it "Apple branded".
But honestly, I don't want to corrupt my PC with an Apple sticker :P
20:59
@NathanOsman it would prevent theft :=)
"eeeeeuw a machine with apple let's go to the neighbours" :+
I live in a very Apple-friendly neighborhood.
apple users tend to be white board criminals if they are criminals :=)
There is a 2nd hand store here that sells apples... ALL of them have at least a key broken on the keyboard :P
always wondered about that... they are SOOOOOOO expensive. It can not have a normal solid keyboard?
I'd use my own keyboard anyway.
I have a large Logitech keyboard with tons of multimedia buttons and other goodies.
hmm I tend to do that too. expect when I am on the road
@Rinzwind You can't balance a laptop and spare keyboard on your lap? :P
21:05
I can but I had dragging extra stuff along
used to carry a 2nd battery with me and a mini mouse and charger.
but I decided I'd leave the battery at work and 1 at home
and the mouse ... too much hassle :P
You should see what my case looks like. I once took a laptop, two spare mice, a spare keyboard, a spare monitor, tons of USB cables, USB lamps, USB hubs, USB number pad, audio cables, flash drives, etc.
In. One. Single. Laptop. Bag.
Always have to search for that tiny usb thing
It was heavy.
I bet :D
I always tend to be over-prepared.
But better that than being under-prepared.
21:09
my company has enough spare parts for me not to worry :=
My collection at home goes even further... I have nearly every conceivable type of cable.
oh that I have too. and in different lengths :=)
I have a 40mtr HDMI and 2 40mtr scart for my beamer _O-
and still 200 meter UTP on a spindle.
morning
evening
I said MORNING! XP
21:14
and I said evening.
haha, I saw a copule of downvotes around
22:14 so 1:45 till morning :=)
I need a downvote :P
xD
@Lucio if you want to vote one down here: askubuntu.com/questions/567163/i-cant-use-all-my-ram
@Seth name the topic :=D
21:15
I already knew you were the one >.<
@UbuntuQuestionsonU&L I can see a late programmer finished a script ;)
@Lucio where? I hardly downvote :D (to get hats)
and you got
@Rinzwind Any topic :P
@Seth it needs to be worthy :=D
21:17
got any noob questions from the past @seth :D
What is Ubuntu "vivid" touch?
@Rinzwind Probably :P
askubuntu.com/questions/223691/… is probably the stupidest question I've ever asked :P
@Lucio Ubuntu Touch 15.04
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Q: Install Ubuntu vivid-preinstalled-touch

LordBoraHow do I install ubuntu vivid to my Windows surface tablet ? I Download this File First (" vivid-preinstalled-touch-i386.tar.gz ") But I do not know how to Install, Please Help Me :) Thank's

closing..
@Seth you reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally want a -1 on that? :D
:D
21:25
:D just making sure!
ok here you go :=D
ouch =D
Oblivion sequence started.
@Seth got a hat for it? :=D
Soon I will ;)
21:30
Mozilla have a clone for the hats, called Badges
@Lucio hats are 1000000000000000000000000000000% cooler than badges.
Funny, stackexchange.com IP starts at 198
Guess the second octet :P
@Mitch you deleted my answer to askubuntu.com/questions/567063/why-cant-i-write-data-to-sd-card. Why? A search shows that this has been reported on here as well as other sites for at least 3 years. The fix to the issue most of the time results in the user having to resort to windows. In a lot of cases, my own included, nothing ever points to a corrupt file system - ubuntu just suddenly says "read only file system." I was just saving the op of that question a little time.
@snurfle minor issue with that answer: "use windows" can never be a correct answer since the user never said he has a Windows. And if there are Ubuntu CLI methods I'd rather see those methods as an answer. It would help the target audience (ie. Ubuntu users). But I do not know if that is Mitch's reasoning too (AND I would say I (if I was a mod) might not remove it for that reason).
The answer from Muzaffer seems even more not up to standard to me :D
21:47
@Rinzwind well, I do need to get about 500 points in the next two hours: stackexchange.com/leagues/31/month/askubuntu :D :P
@muru lol
wtf I am on top \o/
cake and beer for everyone!
Yo!
@Rinzwind 'user never said he had windows...' I agree, yet at the same time, when the exact same issue happened to me in the past week, the cli solution did nothing, and a majority of the hits on a google search resulted in the issue only being solved by windows. i'm really not trying to sound like a dick! :)
@snurfle best to wait on mitch ;-) He tends to have good arguments :D
@muru askubuntu.com/questions/567178/… answer it and I can upvote you :=D
22:02
@Rinzwind you must be confused. I'm on top.
@Lucio -7 whaaaa :+
:P
that's because of the bounty >.<
lol
-2709 even worse
Yeah, that means I was at 63 before according to my maths
lol
bedtime see you 2morrow.
22:13
bye
22:49
Sure hate to replace this server:
nathan@quickmediasolutions:~$ uptime
 22:49:07 up 434 days, 23:14,  1 user,  load average: 0.83, 0.60, 0.53
It's served me quite well.
what are you going with now?
I'm moving everything to a new server running 14.04.
The old one was running 12.04.5 LTS.
And I'm switching from Apache to Nginx.
(Note: none of the stuff on that server is powering quickmediasolutions.com - it's just a bunch of extra stuff.)
@Rinzwind - related to your hats and coolness factor star-wall post:
Scarcity breeds value.
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