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06:00
@JourneymanGeek Really? Wow. I really want to be a mod now. You guys have all the fun. /no_sarcasm
@Andrew He can get a new IP if he has a DHCP ISP
@JourneymanGeek ??
@Whaaaaaat: I got elected a mod so they didn't have to handle my flags ;p
@Whaaaaaat most people changes every mouth or so
@JourneymanGeek I don't flag enough for that. But, I probably could code a learning bot to handle those for me.
06:01
I had roughly 2k flags before I got voted mod
Yep. Not enough flags.
Andrew, +1 for that comment.
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Q: Wubi.exe is not in Xubuntu 14.04 Disks. Can someone help me install Xubuntu1404 with Wubi

BranThe Wubi.exe is on the Ubuntu 1404 disk, not on Xubuntu1404 disk; (and when you launch it supports Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu), but... doesnt support Xubuntu. Can anyone provide guidance? Thanks so much!

@Whaaaaaat thanks
I thought that was a captcha at first.
@Whaaaaaat is my comment better?
it didn't change for me
06:05
reload the page
Actually, @JourneymanGeek I don't have near enough flags because you mods do such a great job! <3
@Andrew niice
I love questions that have no question mark.
"Unclear what you're asking" -- You're not asking ANYTHING!
@Whaaaaaat how about that new comment
@Whaaaaaat I hate that too
@Whaaaaaat And you don't have enough rep to see his other Hateful answers.
@Whaaaaaat that is true too
@Andrew I have more rep than you...
How do you see other closed answers?
You have less than 10k rep...
Yea
But the MODs can
Ah. Did Journeyman give you the goods?
I bet that you don't know what is a bug is, and think it is the devs have issures by putting issures into the software, don't you.
me?
Don't feed the trolls.
06:14
I can't see closed answers here
I can see em on SU
Feed them all day like wild Bears... When you don't have anything for them any more, they attack hard.
@JourneymanGeek You're not mod here?
I could have sworn you were...
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
I have more rep than you?!
link
06:18
Eliah Kagan is a duplicate finding bot.
@Whaaaaaat agreed
And Oli is a suckpuppet
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Q: Ubuntu keeps returning to default after shutdown

RIMEHey guys I'm completely new to Ubuntu, I shut it down and when I got back on it, it had reset everything I had done including all my downloaded files back to default. Not exactly sure whats going on. Even from the terminal, my username that I chose during the installation doesn't appear, it is ub...

oh my god ^
he doesn't deserve to "live" is that punny?
.....
Ǫ̮͎͈̯̼̥͚͒̈́̌̐̕͢͝͞Uͩ̑̏͒͒̾͑̋̿ͮ҉̰̲͓̖̩̼̗͇̱̘͡T̨̏̔͛ͪ̑̎̈̓̐͂̍̍͏͈̘̜̘̝͕̹̣̘͎̤͖̟̙ͅ
as in live-cd.. sigh
06:22
:P
i need punk songs to listen to
Hi Osman!
@NathanOsman Did you ever find that freehand circle script?
Police Truck is nice
Not yet.
awe.
I wanted to doodle on Mateo.
06:23
?
I think it was broken anyway.
What is it for?
It worked great for a couple months after I wrote it but... it was never updated.
@NoTime It let you draw freehand on images on Stack Exchange sites.
Also, why does AU not have any chat easter eggs?
@NathanOsman there is so much behind the scene i don't know about
06:25
@Whaaaaaat Ah... but it does!
I'm not talking about the search one.
Try pasting this: <(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>
kinda kirby
<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>
nerp.
that's only on SO.
<(?:"[^"]*"['"]*|'[^']*'['"]*|[^'">])+>
06:27
Weird.
It's supposed to work in any room.
added backquotes
Anyway, yeah - other than that. I don't think there's anything.
W̬̬̹̦͠H̯Ỵ͜ ̡͖̺̖͕ḎI̶D̼͚̩̩̱̺ ͙̯̹͜Y̱̥͉̠̬̙̭O̺̜͍̲Ù̯̙̪̗̬̻͚ ҉͕̦̭̥̥ͅS͉͎͙͠U͏͉̠M̗̥͇̼͎M̲̠͖͖̤͎͚͞O͎̱̩̙͇̰N̞ T͔̤͓̠͎̝O̹͈̘͈̤̩͡NY̛̝̜ ̵̬̗T̬̝̮H͖̩͠E̸̼̰͇ͅ ̦̘P̠̩O̥̣͈͍̯͙̬N͏̥Ỵ̲͕̟̭͠ ̟̩̤̫I̥͍̠NT͏̰̖͕O̶͈ ̦̠T҉̠̯͙̣̱ͅͅHÍ̱͕S͕͙̘̺̫ ̟̥̤̘̪̹̬͢RE̻̙̯̯͍̥̣͠A̳͇͢Ļ̭̭͖͙͈M̵͕͔͔͇̜̻?͙͎͔̘̘͎
it did something nathan...
Why did you summon the pony into this realm?
that looks like someone wrote it in poo
why did I just take apart a perfectly good hard drive?
06:29
to touch the platter?
that IS fun.
Oh, right. I wanted to know if HDDs had two sides for data storage.
hmm.. wouldn't google be easier?
like an A/B tape.
or a record
it's also fun to move the R/W head back and forth.
but the magnets are IMPOSSIBLE.
06:31
whenever I see rizwind's profile picture I see a guy from slipknot.. then I have to look closer to see an eye
hdd heads have wicked magnets.
@NoTime do not mock Lucy ... she will take you apart limb by limb
@Rinzwind Good luck. My "limbs" are spread over 38 data centers.
@rizwind not mocking I just see a guy in a wifebeater and a mask with long hair.. and I forget what it is.. so I look closer
and Im like oh yeah
@Whaaaaaat: they do
06:34
@JourneymanGeek ?
the magnets
but seriously wait for it to die first
Write on both sides ;p
It did die.
And actually 12 data centers. The extra 26 are for backup.
@NoTime that hovercard you have won't stop Lucy
(sort of)
06:35
killall lucy
Problem solved.
@Rizwind My hovercard is from the future
@Whaaaaaat in the series it is clearly stated you can not kill her :=)
@Rinzwind I am an AI.
In my database, she dead.
@Rizwind my network is based upon this series of connections
06:38
That is a subway map.
in tokyo
when I ask questions I rarely get any attempts at answers or comments.. but then I will put an offhand answer and get majority of rep from it
My AI can do twice as good as... BIRD
Are all laptop hard drives just hardware RAID arrays?
Wha?
Are all.
Laptop.
Hard drives.
just.
Hardware
RAID arrays?
I mean how are they a bunch of disks?
06:43
they are a bunch of platters.
The amount of platters don't determine if they are RAID
I know.
But is it similar to a hardware RAID?
Meaning, if they were independent discs, each with one platter, would they be a RAID?
Like an analogy?
Or analogous if you will?
not really
A laptop hard drive > 500GB is a bunch of platters, right?
06:44
not always
single platter drives exist
And SSDs exist :P
well, hard drive implictly means spinning rust ;p
@JourneymanGeek @NathanOsman @Rinzwind Let's limit this question to multi-platter LAPTOP non-ssds.
Just trying to figure out how you mean it, like I am thinking of how a HHD looks inside, and a raid
06:46
Why? >:)
I wanted to included 5'25 discs
Do each of those platters act sort of like a RAID element?
I always get nervous with mechanical drives in laptops. They tend to take a beating.
Raid has a few implicit charectestics
@Whaaaaaat no
you need a raid controller.. so what would that be like in a hd
06:46
1) no redundancy - If one platter dies, all the platters die
2) Inexpensive? Maybe.
3)*Array*
@JourneymanGeek You can have a RAID without redundancy.
You have better read/write
@Whaaaaaat: If one drive dies, the other drive still works
that is more of a technicality.. the RAID settings (0,1,10,5, etc) can have same setup sometimes
06:47
@Whaaaaaat nope. Redundant array of independent disks. That what you claim would be AID.
@Rinzwind: I thought the I was for inexpensive?
RAID 5 in a laptop FTW.
Ok. Is a multi-platter laptop hard drive an AID?
it has 2 definitions @JourneymanGeek
Inexpensive, and Independent
06:48
Independent is the official name ;)
it isn't an array
0_0
@Whaaaaaat no. You stil lack the array part then
Even though each platter can be read/written to independently?
HGST apparently has a 10tb enterprise drive.
and the independent too; those platters act not independent
06:49
@Whaaaaaat: thats not true tho. You're dependant on the platter position
platters aren't really disk exactly.. I wouldn't say
so it's no.
ok, thanks.
Are you kinda saying how it functions (like theoretically)?
@Whaaaaaat nope. all the read write on any platter is dependent on the position of the magnets used, they do not move independent
06:49
@NoTime: Lets say you had 2 single platter drives with half the maximum speed of a two platter drive in a raid, and a 2 platter drive.
stupid hard drive magnets.
The single platter drives would be faster in some situations since they can seek different parts of their platters
@Whaaaaaat SSD FTW :=)
@Rinzwind I'm not made of money.
@JourneymanGeek the physical components would be the same though?
06:50
@NoTime: yeah.
@Whaaaaaat SSD <160Gb are cheap
Consider the cost of continuously replacing mechanical drives vs. purchasing a good SSD that will last you years and years.
@JourneymanGeek yeah functionally different though :)
@NathanOsman I choose the latter! :)
@Rinzwind I need at least 1tb of space...
06:51
Ok so your disk can spread stuff across platters, and some RAID configurations can spread info across disks
Nor do I have the resources to build a RAID array of SSDs in a laptop.
I have both. I have a wicked fast Intel SSD that I use for Ubuntu and code projects. I have a 2 TB mechanical drive for pictures, videos, etc.
379USD is not bad
@Rinzwind I have about $0.00 in my bank account.
The software RAID isn't horrible (recently) I guess from some benchmarks I looked at
06:52
Samsung 840 EVO 1 TB
@Whaaaaaat that is more than I have :=)
@Rinzwind That's more than the US government has :D
Did that stop the conversation?
I have a habit of killing stuff.
06:54
Even better than an SSD - buy a lot of RAM and use a RAM disk.
@NathanOsman Two words: Power failure.
Just buy L1 cache memory even better
Just buy tons of CPUs and use their caches as a ramdisk.
@Whaaaaaat Don't use it for permanent storage.
06:55
@NathanOsman My server loads an image into its 128GB of ram at boot.
128 GB, that seems to be a lot
:D
got it for free.
also got a gaming PC for free.
and about 16TB worth of hard drives for free.
did they "fall off the truck"?
e-waste recycling centers
@Whaaaaaat Yeah, like that.
walk in and choose ALL the parts you want.
so a frankenstein? albeit a pretty nice one
Good enough for a 4way SLI.
06:58
geez.. build a supercomputer
man. what a week.
thats kinda my server.
(the mobo wasnt free)
I mean.. if you are doing all that will GPU's you could build a supercomputer with all of em
@JourneymanGeek its not even halfway done
@NoTime I only had 6.
Sold 4 for around $800 total, use one in my server, and one in my gaming pc.
heh
@NoTime: oh, essentially learnt the basics of two new environments
07:00
But no, it's practically free money.
that is nice @Whaaaaaat
@JourneymanGeek what type of environment?
go to your local e-waste center. get the best parts.
take it home.
???. Profit.
You forgot the '?'
Not sure if they let us pick through the parts here :)
07:02
@NoTime: fedora and smartos
@NoTime Bring cookies.
Also, fix up a nice laptop and give it to the crew.
They will let you in for sure.
Or a female
goddamnit usps. UPDATE YOUR TRACKING.
@JourneymanGeek I don't think I could learn SmartOS just glancing at it
07:04
kvm... NO.
@NoTime: I had a lot of help
@JourneymanGeek so it's a hypervisor? like not a kernel? or did I misread that
looking through the pages..
It's a hypervisor.
@NoTime: Its both
07:05
@JourneymanGeek ok that makes it less scary
Basically its a solaris based OS, you can run things on it directly, through solaris jails, or through KVM
and its designed so you can use a gnu-ish userland alongside solaris stuff
KVM is ugly.
lol
I kinda like it, actually
just the way the OS is set up seems scary because it's new idea to me.. I haven't seen solaris yet.. so many OS that I need to introduce myself to
and its the easiest way to play with VT-D
07:06
but not all of them
@NoTime LFS.
@Whaaaaaat arch
I actually had more trouble with fedora (and selinux) than smartos
@NoTime LFS!
HLFS
because of RPM?
07:07
@JourneymanGeek SELinux? Shoot me now.
lol
Its useful
Its just new and scary
It's a pain.
And it's NSA-Approved.
@Whaaaaaat tony likes it too
@NoTime ?
07:08
How weird would it be if humans could say "?"
sigh.. that was working
yep
have to separate the message out
@JourneymanGeek why was fedora harder?
Do <img>http://www.google.com/</img> tags work here?
nope.
they don't want html insertions
07:10
UNICODE TO THE RESCUE
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Q: Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade to ubuntu 14.04

Oliver Joshua Jacobis it possible fro me to download the update on my mobile SD card and then transfer the update on to my DESKTOP..?? please tell step by step THANKS IN ADVANCE ..!!

log onto this page! <a href="open my fun script"> Completely Harmless</a>
Step 1) No
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Q: What is wrong with Comic Sans?

dumbledadThere's a great TEDxExeter talk by a colleague of mine, Simon Peyton-Jones, about the recent advances in the English lower school 'computer science' curriculum: http://youtu.be/Ia55clAtdMs Like all of his slide decks he uses Comic Sans throughout. Depressingly, though inevitably, one of the YouTu...

07:12
@NoTime: This what happens. I try the gui way everyone tells you to do. No. Then I try the cli way I know works. No. Then I set up selinux. ONE system works... the other didn't till I rebooted it.
GUI is for noobs
@Whaaaaaat: If I need a quick temporary samba share, its better
but looks like that isn't happening
@JourneymanGeek a grub-repair type issue?
@JourneymanGeek Touché
@Whaaaaaat GUI is for people that like wasting time
07:13
so no more porn for you guys
naw, I got it fixed.
Oh
@NoTime ?!
and the tool for persistantly setting selinux permissions wasn't installed
and oh, and BEFORE that, I had to do a bunch of tweaks so fonts didn't look like arse.
@JourneymanGeek Comic Sans
@Whaaaaaat no videos on cli unfortunately.. unless you like terminology
07:14
@NoTime [censored]
heh
@JourneymanGeek I am in process of setting up kali full version into a Windows domain.. thats not fun either
KALI! EVERYONE ATTACK!
nothing in repos
now I'm trying to clear up my RSS feeds so I can switch over
07:17
i had to create an alias for ifconfig.. i hate that
it's in the sbin.. i should just be able to type it
my stuff is petty I'm sure
XKCD always has the answer.
they are trying to access a phone? I'm not sure exactly what the problem is
or they set up an alias for ls as the share
Finally... Answers as to where sudo reports stuff:
i like that sudo one
the one above I have run into (with people I worked with) not as funny IRL
And finally...
'Hey Megan, it's your father. How do I print out a flowchart?'
3
07:26
:D
Pretty much every tech support ever.
I need to sleep I will see you guys later
bye
ima go off too
o /----
| / |
/\ 8
@NoTime ascii noob
07:29
no spaces
it looks cool on my screen
:)
nn
07:55
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Q: FileZilla: Failed to retrieve directory listing

rakibtgI am running Ubuntu 12.04 as the host and installed Ubuntu 14.04 in the Virtualbox as Guest OS.I have installed and configured VSFTPD on Ubuntu 14.04 and forwarded the virtualbox port's as follows: Now i am using FileZilla in my host OS in order to access into the guest OS. Here is the FileZilla...

 
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09:18
YAY BAD SECTORS on harddisk.
always fun :P
@Rinzwind my router died this weekend... reminded me how fragile a home network is.
condolences :P
did you burn it? >:)
09:36
it just went quiet & dark - all of a sudden. I bet it's the power supply only.
But where to get a PSU with fitting jacks on a saturday afternoon...
The replacement at least is faster, now that hopefully all was set up again... I might still have missed a device somewhere...
<-- did not know how many devices there are connected to our home LAN
lol
(3 phones, 2 tablets, 2 desktops, 2 smaller form factor systems, 3 laptops, and a raspi normally), Dad and my brother have spare netbooks which don't get used much, I have 2 old laptops 'in case'. 2 routers, and one switch, with a spare router, and another spare modem router that can be used as a router....
and I've probably missed something.
On the bright side, I can survive one router dying with fairly minimal fuss.
I have a spare router next to the router I am using :+)
@JourneymanGeek you definitely missed something!
@Rinzwind my spare router will be my old router with a replacement PSU :)
@JourneymanGeek I had one device refusing to connect to another MAC ... why did they do that? Factory reset to the rescue.
10:01
@Takkat: I didn't mention homeplug
No plug no home... ;)
lol
(I have homeplug between my switch, and router 2)
oh. Mom's phone may or may not be on wifi
sometimes we only find out weeks later, that there was this other device...
@JourneymanGeek my net is a mix of Gigabit LAN, 802.11g, 802.11n, and homeplug... chaotic I know... but those days we did not have the guts to wire all rooms with Ethernet.
question
can I do this on a mounted system:
sudo fsck -l /tmp/badblocks.txt /dev/sda2
or does it have to be u-mounted? :X
This one is funny: "If I do the Bad Block thing in Ubuntu, format the drive and install Windows on it, will the drive still ignore the bad blocks it found with Ubuntu?"
@Rinzwind good question, really... I can imagine that locking a mounted device may have unwanted side effects if some process tries to access it.
10:22
@Takkat I was hoping for a "no" or a "yes" :=D
why clarity... takes away the fun of all unexpected. :D
@Takkat we have ethernet in all the wrong places
lol - like not in the bathroom but behind the cupboard?
no. Actually we have two cables to my dad's old workspace
I ended up moving one cause the cable point was on the other end of the room, connecting it to where the old router was using that, fixing a second router/ap there, and connecting to homeplug from there
That was the whole issue ... we'd have to have a cable everywhere, even in place you never thought you'll ever need it...
So WiFi or homeplug is more open to changes.
10:41
Probably too opinion-based for the main site: Do people still advise a fresh install rather than an update?
probably yes... there are still people recommending one or the other. It depends much on your own setup. A basic install with no tweaks upgrades better than a highly customized Ubuntu.
<-- never had an issue on relase-upgrades
<-- aways had much trouble setting it all up again after a fresh install
@Takkat I'm on 12.04 LTS, and it's offering me 14.04.1 LTS. No tweaks except sudo tasksel install lamp-server, for web development.
I'll probably just take the update.
yeah - you can always install fresh later if there were issues. Make a backup before you do that (not after).
Obviously I don't need to, as 12.04 is supported for a good while yet. The main thing I want is the latest PHP. I don't need a full upgrade for that, but it's probably the simplest way.
14.04 feels better on my box, but that may be highly biased by expectations.
10:56
@Takkat Could go for the latest and greatest just for the fun of it anyway, I suppose.

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