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Dan

14:00

@IonicăBizău That keeps querying the server after every request, this is much worse than mine :p

this my script: Bit of a noob in bash, so i think it might be better

while true; do if curl --output /dev/null --silent --fail --head http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/cur‌rent/trusty.tar.gz; then echo 'Ubuntu 14.04 is Released!'; notify-send 'Ubuntu 14.04 is released!' --icon /usr/share/icons/Humanity/apps/64/gnome-terminal.xpm; break; else echo "Ubuntu 14.04 is not yet released";fi; sleep 5m; done

does a curl --head every 5 mins

Ionică Bizău

I prefer to be notified instantly instead. :-)

Dan

nah, i don't want to dos the server :p

Ionică Bizău

That's not dos... They have good servers. :p

Minato Namikaze

We all are doing it

It's virtually a ddos

Avinash Raj

@Dan I'm going to copy and run your script.

Ionică Bizău

14:06

@AvinashRaj If you want a sound alert you can try mine, as well. :-)

Avinash Raj

0

Q: How to upgrading to new release automatically?

All of you know that within few hours, Ubuntu 14.04 is going to be released. What can i do to upgrade my system automatically when Ubuntu 14.04 is arrived? And also What can i do to download a single Ubuntu 14.04 desktop-64-bit iso file or all the trusty images automatically when it was arrived(...

upgrade

Dan

@AvinashRaj sure

Avinash Raj

did i have to set the cronjob or crontab for that script to run every 5 mins?

Dan

the one i sent, no. It's just a while loop that checks for the release. If it wasn't found, it waits 5mins and repeat. if it was found it would show a desktop notification and stops.

Avinash Raj

so one time execution of that script is enough.Am i correct?

Dan

14:20

yes, but you need to keep the terminal opened. (it won't do the upgrade though, as braiam said in the answer, i wouldn't recommend the upgrade to be automatic)

Avinash Raj

@Dan simply superb..:-)

jrg

so, how long before it's released?

Braiam

@jrg 6-8 hours

jrg

i say 3PM utc-4

Avinash Raj

you mean it takes, 6 to 8 hours from now.

Dan

14:27

@jrg that's your own comment :P

+1 for the

depends if he drank his/her morning coffee/red bull/whatever and feels cheery to make the final release at that moment (Instead of enjoying the day with some super mario or something).

comment. — jrg ♦ Apr 27 '11 at 21:50

jrg

@Dan i can still hope they won't spend time with Mario. (:

Dan

Who can resist Mario? :O

Braiam

why 2 answers of Luis? I mean, I know why (merge) but why are they still there?

jrg

@Braiam because the rest of us are spending time fixing real problems, instead of a minor issue with a merged post that most people won't notice.

karel

OT: askubuntu.com/questions/449057/grub-rescue-unknown-file-system

Rinzwind

14:39

@karel I'd rather point to a dupe (there are many)

Braiam

@Rinzwind exactly, we don't need another ;)

and has the + that he will know where to ask debian questions

Minato Namikaze

Oops

Rinzwind

lol

Minato Namikaze

it's supposed to post it after it releases

Rinzwind

link goes to a 404 >:S

Minato Namikaze

14:42

I'l probably not be here once it releases so, I'll just leave it there.

jrg

@MinatoNamikaze first link is to the beta.

Mateo

@MinatoNamikaze some kind of script?

Minato Namikaze

@Mateo Yes

jrg

the armyofminions will have a mirror.

Rinzwind

they should just can the iso download

jrg

14:43

and have the torrent?

Rinzwind

ofcourse!

Mateo

I'm going to order ~~cd's~~ dvd's ;)

Rinzwind

lol

the last 2 releases I used USB to install

Braiam

> Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine.

jrg

i might order my first set of dvds.

@Braiam it isn't a bug. it's no longer on a CD.

Braiam

14:44

they plan to shrink it?

Rinzwind

and I am thinking of removing my dvd player in my notebook to replace it for a 3rd hdd

Seth

@Braiam no

jrg

@Rinzwind I replaced the dvd player with a hdd.

Seth

Hey, Windows requires at least two DVDs.

jrg

so now i've got a ssd and a hdd, plus 2 external usb 3s. and then i've got a whole bunch of other bits and pieces.

Prasad RD

14:45

trusty trusty where r u :P hi all :)

jrg

@Seth dude, windows fits on a single DVD for me... i think.

Rinzwind

@Seth I remember autocad needing 40 fdd's :=)

and you had to install the 40th 1st and then 2 to 39 (1 was a fake to trap illegal versions)

Seth

@jrg now that you mention it, Windows 8 only requires one, so maybe they changed it.

('bout time)

Rinzwind

@jrg nice nice. I have 1 ssd, 1 hdd and a dvd :-) never use the dvd :P

jrg

@Seth 7 only required 1 for me.

@Rinzwind which SSD? I'm a fan of the samsung 840 evo.

Braiam

14:47

7 ultimate fits in 1 dvd

jrg

i also use a ocz on another box, since it's tiny.

Seth

Fancy. Who did you get your disks from?

Maybe it's because I'm usually stuck with the hardware manufacturer's disks.

Braiam

jrg

I just downloaded the ISO, but I used the OEM license key for that machine.

Rinzwind

@jrg hmmm HMMM

OCZ!

Prasad RD

14:50

Rinzwind

I have this one: mycom.nl/componenten/solid-state-drive/517688/…

jrg

@Rinzwind Oh, cool!

Mitch

My second PC

jrg

i've been impressed with their stuff.

Rinzwind

15 seconds boot on my notebook _O-

jrg

14:51

mine was 20, but only because I encrypted it and had a ton of services.

Mitch

NOW. I just got a Lenovo Y510 with 1TB/8GB Hybrid, and 16GB RAM. Where is 14.04?

jrg

that was before I discovered the powers and wonders of vagrant.

@Mitch incoming.

Jorge Castro

did someone say vagrant?

Braiam

What OS are you using? — Radu Rădeanu 4 hours ago

Jorge Castro

vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu

Rinzwind

14:52

@jrg still not bad! I never need to use hibernate or suspend. I use my notebook for watching anime and movies in the bus+train (each 1/2 hour) so I needed a quick boot+shutdown

Braiam

cygwin on windows vista — user269826 4 hours ago

D:

Rinzwind

@Braiam wtf :D

Braiam

no wonder he doesn't have sudo...

jrg

@JorgeCastro YAY

btw, i asked about that about a year ago, didn't get a response. now I am happy that they are declared ready for everyday use. (:

Rinzwind

oh man

"you can install another operating system on a windows PC??? ...do you know of any website that has a tutorial explaining how to do that?"

Jorge Castro

14:54

they've been in beta the whole time

but yeah, there're ready

jrg

@Rinzwind I can't use hibernate or suspend because of the encryption, and my paranoia.

Rinzwind

@Braiam I am having a hard time not believing he is trolling

jrg

no vmware builds yet? :(

i guess i'm still stuck building my own boxes then.

Rinzwind

@jrg tsk! :D

Prasad RD

@Rinzwind factory defect :P

Jorge Castro

14:55

@jrg my hope is the overwhelming downloads from vagrantcloud will show there's a demand for them

Rinzwind

@PrasadRD could be :D and hello!

Prasad RD

@Rinzwind :P hi

Mateo

@JorgeCastro so what is vagrant?

Braiam

@Mateo vagrantup.com

Jorge Castro

it's a CLI for VMs basically

blade19899

14:57

I fu**ing hate remembering passwords

Rinzwind

@Mateo "Vagrant is free and open-source software for creating and configuring virtual development environments. It can be considered a wrapper around virtualization"

Braiam

> Vagrant is a tool for building complete development environments. With an easy-to-use workflow and focus on automation, Vagrant lowers development environment setup time, increases development/production parity, and makes the "works on my machine" excuse a relic of the past.

Mateo

so, it shares virtual machines?

Jorge Castro

you can share them

jrg

@Mateo it's a way of managing VMs seamlessly

so you do a git clone of a project

run 'vagrant up'

and you're set

no other setup required

basically, it's canned awesomeness environments.

Mateo

15:00

ah, sounds neat

jrg

i'm responsible at work for spinning the vagrant stuff every few weeks.

i just haven't gotten a cronjob to do it for me.

Prasad RD

Jorge Castro

if you generate vmware ones and share them, that would be <3

Prasad RD

more hours to wait :(

Rinzwind

mv $USER /home/

jrg

15:02

@JorgeCastro sure, i can do that.

Rinzwind

for the non-coders: bbl going home :D

Prasad RD

bye @Rinzwind

jrg

@Rinzwind you can't mv a environment variable that is type string

YOUR SYNTAX IS INVALID

Prasad RD

can't copy, target exists, aborting! :P

blade19899

First time using keepassx, any suggestion or advice when using password managers?

jrg

15:08

@blade19899 use it for everything

jokerdino

keepass?

jrg

i used keepass for a long time

it's a very good piece of software

(I moved to lastpass for ease of use, but I still have a keepass database for the important, non-web things)

blade19899

I think i will give keepassx a try for a couple of days, and then see what others have to offer

Thanks!

Avinash Raj

15:32

@MinatoNamikaze your python script gives me this error.

Downloading
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "./dload.py", line 14, in <module>
subprocess.call(['wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso'])
File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 523, in call
with Popen(*popenargs, **kwargs) as p:
File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 824, in __init__
restore_signals, start_new_session)
File "/usr/lib/python3.3/subprocess.py", line 1448, in _execute_child
raise child_exception_type(errno_num, err_msg)
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.0…

Minato Namikaze

@AvinashRaj made an edit. Try now?

Avinash Raj

@MinatoNamikaze Are you watching IPL?

Minato Namikaze

I'm busy :/

Keeping up with Google now

Avinash Raj

yeh it's downloadig

14.04

i think it's arrived

Venki

Yeah I suppose.. See this too : releases.ubuntu.com/trusty

But its not on ubuntu.com

Avinash Raj

15:39

But the Ubuntu page doesn't show any.

Ionică Bizău

Why don't they publish it on ubuntu download page?

Avinash Raj

@MinatoNamikaze how?

Minato Namikaze

@AvinashRaj Just ask it? :P

Avinash Raj

your script starts to download 14.04 amd64 .iso file.

is this a dev release releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso ?

Dan

no

it's the official release version

Mateo

15:44

it used to say beta ;) now it doesn't

Avinash Raj

Then Why it isn't displayed on the ubuntu.com/download/desktop ?

Mateo

@AvinashRaj because.

Dan

they haven't annouced it yet i guess

and do-release-upgrade still says no release available yet

Mateo

they want the tech savvy people to try it first so they can fix possible last min mistakes

Venki

Probably they don't want their servers crashed by putting the file on their website and letting everybody know it!! :-P

Jorge Castro

15:48

you guys know you can download a daily image from yesterday and be totally fine right?

Braiam

just check lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/subscribe/ubuntu-announce and subscribe yourself!

Mateo

@JorgeCastro they have it up on releases.ubuntu.com/trusty ;)

Minato Namikaze

It's released

Jorge Castro

16:07

\o/

Venki

With release of new Ubuntu will AU get new looks ? !! ;-)

Minato Namikaze

Ubuntu 14.04 has been released. Grab it at the Ubuntu Website or use the armyofminions mirror as stated here

6

Oh, script works :P

Venki

Second link just shows a kitty!!

@MinatoNamikaze

Minato Namikaze

@Venki refresh :P

Venki

Yeah it just worked!! :-)

jokerdino

16:11

Happy Ubuntu 14.04 day everyone!

jrg

The torrents seem to be doing fine

question

is there a program that does a graphical "bits flying" of network traffic?

Minato Namikaze

@jrg O.o

jokerdino

never knew one

Braiam

I haven't heard about something like that

jrg

etherape

Jorge Castro

16:13

@jrg try nethogs

jrg

that was it

Braiam

well, it's not literal "bits flying"

jrg

close enough

amd64 is going at a much faster rate than 32bit for how much i'm uploading

i'm uploading almost 3MB/s for amd64, i386 is only 1.

wonder if people are finally doing 64 instead of 32.

Minato Namikaze

Makes sense

Avinash Raj

may i download Ubuntu trusty 14.04 from here shadowfax.armyofminions.com/trusty/… . Is this a final release?

Jorge Castro

16:17

19

Q: How can I move all the window controls to the right (or left)?

Running 12.04. Downloaded Ubuntu tweak and set window controls to the right side. Only some programs follow the rule. Pidgin as an example has window controls on the right. But Chrome, Thunderbird, Geany, still have controls on the left. How can I move ALL window controls(close/min/max) to the r...

window-manager

anyone know this one for 14.04?

jrg

@AvinashRaj as the guy who just downloaded that from the torrent and put it there, yes it's the final release.

Venki

Ok guys! I made a backup and now i am upgrading..Hope the upgrade doesnt break my system and hope after the upgrade my conky will work!! :-)

jrg

@AvinashRaj where in the world are you? Unless you're in the US, that mirror is likely to be slower than slow...

Jorge Castro

oh nm I see it

Avinash Raj

@jrg please provide me the fast mirror.

Braiam

16:19

@AvinashRaj torrent is the fastest you can get

jrg

@AvinashRaj i think there is a amazon s3 mirror, if you can't use the torrent.

Avinash Raj

thank you guys, i will try to download through torrent . BTW why it isn't posted on the main site?

Jorge Castro

they're probably updating it

Avinash Raj

for me it takes 11 hours .. :(

BBT :-) sudo mv Ubuntu-13.10 Ubuntu-14.04

jrg

16:35

so the peak usage of my server in or out has been 25.6Mb

come on people, what do i need to have seeding for it to actually get used? :P

Avinash Raj

Torrent Linky?

For 64bit desktop version of trusty

Or any fastest mirror available for downloading on India.

jrg

16:52

use the torrent. releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/…

mojo706

hey @jrg

is the torrent file you have given available for download now?

is it the beta or the final? cause the website hasn't been updated

jrg

it's final

as far as i can tell

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

0

Q: How can I make the screen black and white?

This is basically to transform the screen (of a laptop), into a black and white screen. I am using Ubuntu 13.04.

ubuntu screen colors

mojo706

17:11

someone please give a me a link to the 32 bit version

please

KodduX

@mojo706 releases.ubuntu.com/trusty

mojo706

@KodduX thank you

lol with my internet it says 2 hours to download 970 MB so sad

KodduX

@mojo706 wow! good luck with that...

Braiam

another one askubuntu.com/q/449133/169736

mojo706

@KodduX haha 126 kbps. Im patient and just finished exams I have waited for 14.04 I must have it

Rinzwind

17:34

@jrg :P

ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent is ahead by 4 Gb!

and from my personal stats we can remove ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso.torrent Nobody wants it :P

Braiam

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Chat, 2 hours ago, by Tim Post

I have guided them. They should pray that I do not guide them further.

Rinzwind

wowwait

chromium when not flash installed redirects to wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash

when did that happen? :D

searchfgold6789

18:03

@Rinzwind good!

Mateo

ah, yeah. it is up on the ubuntu.com ubuntu.com/download/desktop

searchfgold6789

@Mateo no Kubuntu >.<

Mateo

apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

searchfgold6789

but\

:D Ubuntu is here

I mean 14.04

Mateo

ask ubuntu should get the new background too, the dots are old...

Braiam

18:14

@searchfgold6789 cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release

searchfgold6789

@Braiam Hooray!

@Braiam (but no torrents? I don't want mirror guilt...)

Mateo

the mirror is from jrg - the one one the star wall

Aditya

Trusty Tahr released... Go do-release-upgrade your distributions.

Braiam

can this be closed askubuntu.com/q/300462/169736? somehow my vote expired

Jorge Castro

18:29

You voted to close this question Oct 31 '13 at 17:22

me too

Mateo

so a bug

Aditya

You voted to close this question Oct 31 '13 at 18:58 >>> says to me

Braiam

meh, 3 users or a mod voted to leave open and poof

Venki

18:44

www.ubuntu.com has becaome better I see!! And whats that "discourse" ??

Rinzwind

@Venki unbuntu discource is jorge's baby

2

it is a new type of forum

Braiam

@Rinzwind who's the mother?

Jorge Castro

lol, not my baby

Jeff's baby

Braiam

O_O

Rinzwind

@JorgeCastro :D

Jorge Castro

18:48

It's a nice baby though

I am a fan

Venki

@Rinzwind Yeah Yeah I am just seeing it now... seems a bit daunting at first sight...

Rinzwind

discourse.ubuntu.com/t/…

@Braiam Jeff is the dad it seems :+) so that would make Jorge the mother

wait

ehm

that needs more thought >:D

Braiam

@Rinzwind :O

Rinzwind

lol

Jorge Castro

indeed!

Braiam

18:50

wait, Jeff Atwood?

O_O

Rinzwind

@Braiam how many Jeff's have you heard of? :=)

Braiam

I didn't remembered that was Atwood that pushed discourse forward

Rinzwind

chromium is unstable :(((

keeps going gray :(

Jorge Castro

they're transitioning from gtk to aura, so it's unstable

Braiam

@Rinzwind time to come to the dark sid... err... no, the other dark side that has a fox

Jorge Castro

18:52

I'm using chrome unstable with aura and it's pretty great

Rinzwind

@Braiam I got chromium and firefox both installed

Mateo

@JorgeCastro with the new notifications and desktop thing?

Rinzwind

firefox I have set up for work with a citrix client

Jorge Castro

yeah

Venki

@JorgeCastro So from what I have understood till now... Discourse to ubuntu discourse is similar to what SE is to AU..right?

Jorge Castro

18:56

yeah

discourse is just the software

Rinzwind

come to think of it

was the URL or name of it not suppose to change?

bug in chromium: it keeps complaining flash is not installed but the video runs :P

Venki

@JorgeCastro Ok then with all due respect where is the help button ??? Why should I visit discourse website to know about ubuntu discourse? Shouldnt there be a help specific to ubuntu discourse? (Note:-No offense here. Just constructive feedback)

Jorge Castro

I am confused about what you are asking

Rinzwind

@jorge is the site still in beta/test/fun?

Braiam

@Venki about "how to use discourse" or about "what is discourse for?"

Venki

19:00

Both. A definitive guide like that which comes up when I press 'help' in AU ...

Rinzwind

@JorgeCastro he is saying he would like to see it more promiment on the AU and/or Ubuntu sites

or in the help section :D

Braiam

@Venki discourse.org/faq and discourse.ubuntu.com/t/…

Rinzwind

@Braiam ok BUT I see his problem: that assumes you KNOW there is a discource.ubuntu :)

Braiam

ahh.... then I have no idea what he's talking about

IMO, is promoted already

Rinzwind

then venki does not look at the right places _O0-

Braiam

19:03

btw, this needs just one more askubuntu.com/q/300462/169736

Rinzwind

I remember Jorge posting about discource here a few times :D :D

Venki

Hmmm...now i see... thanks @Braiam .. I feel that they should keep some 'help', 'faq' and similar buttons in the site....NOT just a link to discourse.org ...

Rinzwind

sigh-> askubuntu.com/questions/449184/…\

Braiam

@Rinzwind btw, "UNBUNTU"?

Jorge Castro

well there's a link on the top of the page that tells you what the site is about

Braiam

19:05

@Rinzwind dupe

btw, for those that still don't know or forgot: DynDNS free will shutdown in 30 days

Rinzwind

I know! edit the frontpage: IF user=venki < blink > discourse </ blink >
and make it bright blue >:D

Braiam

@Rinzwind you want to be murdered already?

Venki

Ahhhhh.. it gets clearer now.. there is an FAQ under 'go to another topic list or category' button .... Then I suggest making it more prominent ... stupid newbies like me need it!! :-)

Rinzwind

checked
and I never used dyndns :D

newbies learn by asking!
or doing and failing and doing again

Venki

Hmm..

Rinzwind

19:09

and there chromium went gray again

(or do you all prefer grey?)

Braiam

@Rinzwind some don't like it

Rinzwind

-36 :D

fossfreedom

hey guys - this is going to be a busy few days. If you see a question that says "I've upgraded and something has stopped working" ... that is usually a sign of a bug. Please point the OP towards filing a bug report and lets close the question - flag away if you dont have close votes. Thanks.

15

Rinzwind

"rollback war (auto) – 31 mins ago × 13"
wth :D

will do fossy!

Braiam

@Rinzwind huh?

@fossfreedom wait, who don't do that?

Rinzwind

19:14

@Braiam it is in the queue ;)

Braiam

@Rinzwind for some reason is grey :P

Rinzwind

this one is marked as rollback war: askubuntu.com/posts/211912/revisions

and for good reason it seems :D wth was that

Braiam

differences of opinion

I like to think

Braiam

19:37

> I'm trying to woo a programmer by demonstrating my involvement in the Stack Overflow community, but my awesome, Stack Overflow-specific answer was moved to Meta Stack Exchange - don't hang me out to dry, bro!

Rinzwind

20:08

ha 55 rep in 2 minutes :D

Ace

20:37

Hello all!

Rinzwind

hello ace and radu

Radu Rădeanu

hi

@Rinzwind 65 :)

CBenni

Hi ;)

I am ssh-ed into a VPS server of mine and would like to create a second terminal, any way to achieve that? (debian 7)

Rinzwind

@CBenni yes ssh a 2nd time :)

CBenni

ah that works?

great :)

Rinzwind

20:41

@RaduRădeanu lol

CBenni

(I didnt want to test that because I am very new to ssh)

Rinzwind

@CBenni fyi I tend to use putty connection manager for that

(it lets you create putty tabs and you can set them side by side or underneath eachother

CBenni

I am running putty myself, I dont know what the connection manager is, but I am sure google will tell me

Rinzwind

very nifty for code checking

CBenni

and that sounds pretty cool

I mainly want it to start a process without losing access to its output and locking my console

also, I need to figure out why I am getting http 500s :D

Seth

20:47

herm, my 12.04 server says no new release is available.

hbdgaf

@Seth was it installed with alternate or the server iso? alternate went away, so if it checks something in lsb-release that indicates that... it could be a corner case problem.

Seth

yeah the server ISO.

They killed that?

hbdgaf

the alternate iso. it was different from server.

it's what people used in the olden times to do full disk encryption and a minimal system... but you said you used the server iso. so, not the problem. sorry for the confusion.

Braiam

@Seth there's no upgrade from LTS to LTS until .1 gets released

hbdgaf

@Braiam we have a winner.

Seth

20:54

Oh that makes sense.

Braiam

clap clap clap clap clap clap

is so sad that I was clapping to myself :(

hbdgaf

i did the we have a winner clap clap sound effect in my head...

Seth

Can anyone think of a dupe for this:

-1

Q: video is jerky on high quality files

The computer is relatively old and underpowered, so video playback of high quality videos is jerky with any player. How do I convert a high quality video to low quality video?

video video-conversion

Braiam

:O

hbdgaf

@Seth there's so many angles to a good answer on that question. do you have hardware support for any particular codec(h264), is it nvidia (vpdau stuff), just downconvert to a lower resolution, choose a lower overhead codec, and so on and so on. i know we have transcoding questions, but i don't think we have one with that sort of answer... of course if you made that kind of answer, you'ld probably wind up hearing "wait i meant hulu..."

Seth

20:59

Yeah, it needs a bit of clarification alright.

Mind adding a comment? I've got to run again.

hbdgaf

I'll drop something in there.

There we go askubuntu.com/questions/444721/…

hbdgaf

21:17

Why do people try to either A) put game advertisements in questions, B) run directories, or C) post questions non language error messages. There's clearly a shell script in there, but the OP tries to run the directory. Grr... too much gray and it's in the low quality flag-queue askubuntu.com/questions/449257/dont-open-a-file

Braiam

@hbdgaf because users

mojo706

21:53

huehuehue

I am now a proud 14.04 User :D

4

Mateo

ok this reminded me of something: askubuntu.com/questions/449171/…

> Let us not, dear friends, forget our dear friends the cuttlefish

hbdgaf

It would be an easy one to build and maintain. I think the contestant just did it for the appdev contest though.

Mateo

hbdgaf

Cuttlefish is not the dopefish -- me ;)

@Mateo I am often compared to that character in a quite scoundrel-ly way.

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