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terdon

00:00

This needs upvotes. Many, many upvotes:

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Q: The preformatted text/code text font in chat is not sufficiently distinct

In chat, when putting text between grave accents to ensure that it is output as code, the resulting text is not very distinguishable from the other text: The only way it's different, right now, is that a different font is used. Is there any way we could highlight it make it a different col...

Mateo

00:28

ah, they actually need to be tags to render... :(

terdon

mateo_it_is_the_spaces_that_they_dont_like_and_the_quotes

hmmm

@Mateo nope, ^^

Mateo

@terdon ah, how about unicode spaces?

terdon

Try it, no idea how to enter them

Mateo

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/651/sandbox

hbdgaf

@terdon userscript that modifies the text styling would be relatively simple...

terdon

00:37

@hbdgaf How would that help? The idea would be to be able to help people with code in chat directly and newbies wouldn't have the userscript.

I'd be interested in one though.

hbdgaf

noobies should be able to do this techsupportguides.com/install-userscripts-in-chrome

terdon

@hbdgaf Yes, but someone who just entered chat for the first time would hardly have a userscript installed.

hbdgaf

@terdon that's fair and correct.

terdon

Since the code blocks are actually implemented here, it should be trivial to change their background. As it is they're basically useless in the chat: this is code and this isn't

hbdgaf

i have immediate recognition of monotype terminal fonts versus normal whatever sans-y thing is the default. i think the issue is probably that anything sufficiently differentiating and clear is also probably pretty loud. like flipping foreground and background colors... for instance. that would make it portable across the network for all stackchats.

you could make some awesome ascii art that way though ;)

terdon

00:48

@hbdgaf Really? I have a lot of trouble separating code from text in chat. So much so that I rarely use the backticks, doesn't make much of a difference to me either way.

A slightly darker background would suffice and not be too loud. Just like everywhere else. It's only on chat that there's no background.

hbdgaf

That's fair. I do like that bit of distinction. Would that work stack wide though? Are there some wonky chats with silly color schemes floating around?

I don't mix code and text at all in chat though. If there's something that needs to be code, it gets a separate message and the fixed font button.

like this

terdon

@hbdgaf Yeah, I often do for small commands, or one liners, mixing -flags and text can get confusing

And it should work stack wide. The grey for code is stack wide as far as I know, on some sites it just looks weird but we don't post code there so that's not a problem. Ditto for the chats I guess.

hbdgaf

you're probably right ;P

terdon

Of course I am, it says so on the star wall! :P

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hbdgaf

There so ought to be a juju charm for osqa... maybe I'll look in to making one.

Braiam

01:02

@terdon is another of the features that may not get implemented :(

chat is the dark sheep of the SE family

hbdgaf

terdon

@Braiam Yeah, they don't like promoting it much. Understandable, we should be out there posting answers and questions!

Braiam

@terdon they love to grind us :(

Nathan Osman

Mateo

@NathanOsman what what? or just an image you found?

Nathan Osman

01:12

An image I made :P

Mateo

@NathanOsman oh, cool!

hbdgaf

since we're on interesting penguin meme crossover i.imgur.com/UVuuW.jpg

Nathan Osman

01:27

Is anyone else getting 502s from mail.google.com?

terdon

@NathanOsman Ah, yes, I see the family resemblance!

And no, just refreshed my gmail page and it worked fine

Nathan Osman

I refreshed the page and it won't load now. Wait a sec... something is uploading...

Braiam

 SyntaxError: Using //@ to indicate sourceURL pragmas is deprecated. Use //# instead

@NathanOsman this is the only thing I get ^

Nathan Osman

I think it's on my end.

Something fishy is uploading in the background.

Braiam

clears cache, clear cookie

actually try a private session

Nathan Osman

01:32

It's probably because I opted to send a bug report when Blender crashed a few moments earlier.

There. Disabled error report sending.

Danatela

01:49

hello everybody!

@NathanOsman cool picture

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/247524

witchrunner

Danatela

02:19

@psusi are you here?

@psusi I made /dev/md1 from /dev/sdc1 and /dev/mapper/via_ecedbfaihb6

Danatela

02:53

there are LOT of duplicates by this query: askubuntu.com/…

psusi

@Danatela, and what is the fakeraid made out of? what is the size of each actual disk?

and what raid level is this?

Danatela

raid level is 0, size is 500GB on each disk

psusi

for which array? the fakeraid, or the mdadm array?

Danatela

for the fakeraid

psusi

ok, so fakeraid of 500gb of two drives... is that the entirety of the drives, or is there other things on them? and what is the mdadm array composed of?

Danatela

03:08

yep, the entirety

and on via_ecedbfaihb2 I have Win8.1

psusi

so why is mdadm stacked on top? is it another raid0 made out of the 1gb fakeraid, and a real 1gb drive?

Danatela

look earlier

psusi

I don't have any idea what /dev/sdc1 is... can you just describe the whole layout?

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Do we need canonical question for "trying to overwrite file which is also in package"?

I found a lot of duplicates by this query. There are many possible solutions shown but they are mostly incomplete and do not show the right way which will work in all situations. I think we need one best with explanation or at least to clean up there.

discussion

Danatela

OK. /dev/sda & /dev/sdb each of 500GB is fakeraid named via_ecedbfaihb, Win8.1 reserved partition on via_ecedbfaihb1 (390MB), Win 8.1 system partition on via_ecedbfaihb2 (160GB), extended partition via_ecedbfaihb3, linux boot partition via_ecedbfaihb5 (500MB), mdadm 1st partition via_ecedbfaihb6 (159GB), data partition via_ecedbfaihb7 with the rest of space

/dev/sdc1 mdadm second partition (159GB), /dev/md1 made of via_ecedbfaihb6 and sdc1, /dev/md1p1 swap (6GB), /dev/md1p2 extended, /dev/md1p5 root (20GB), /dev/md1p6 home (~300GB)

psusi

03:26

@Danatela, oh boy... ok... so let me see if I can restate that to make sure I have it... you have two 500gb whole disks in a fakeraid 0 that has windows on part of it, and 159gb of that fakeraid, plus 159gb from another drive in an mdadm raid0 for linux, which is partitioned into swap, root, and home? is there anything else on that last drive or is all part of the mdadm raid0?

Danatela

no, nothing else

psusi

goodness, that is one weird configuration, and one that is prone to failure... but I suppose I can't see any way more sane to do it

Danatela

haha

psusi

how much do you still use windows? have you considered running it in a virtual machine? this past xmas I picked up 3 1 tb wd blue drives for a mere $70 each, and put them in a nice, fast raid10.. they are now down to only $60

actually, I used part of them for a raid10 for my multiple OS installs for speed, and finally am in the process of setting up the rest of the space in a raid5 for bulk media storage

Danatela

I'd like, but my motherboard has no support for Intel VT-x so VMs are not fast

psusi

03:31

I forget, is that kvm, or the iommu?

must be iommu since that's chipset.. kvm is cpu

Danatela

no, I used to use VirtualBox or VMware

psusi

so you still use windows for gaming and need the full 3d video there?

Danatela

my MB is Gigabyte EP43-S3L

yep

psusi

hrm.. and also want windows to benefit from raid0 eh?

Danatela

yep

however, I have another powerful computer for gaming

psusi

03:34

hrm... tough situation

Danatela

that's why I need to change initramfs script

psusi

well, if you have a few bucks to spend on upgrades and want a fast windows install and a good Ubuntu setup, you might do well to get a 128gb ssd, and use most of it for windows, some of it for ubuntu root fs, get rid of the old, slow 160 gb drives, and use the two 500gb drives for a linux mdadm raid for bulk storage

and do bear in mind that using raid0, odds of failure and data loss are increased, so definately make sure to do regular backups

of anything important to you

also, mdadm can do raid10 even on only two disks to get both redundancy in the face of drive failure, and speed similar to raid0

Danatela

aha

thanks

psusi

of course, if you only use windows for gaming, then disk performance is somewhat of a moot point

once the game is loaded, you don't really give a hoot about disk performance

Danatela

not only for gaming, sometimes I need to rest from linux =)

on that powerful computer I mentioned, I have RAID0 of 2 90GB SSD

and 4TB RAID0 of 2 disks

I'd like to try coreboot

Nathan Osman

03:55

What is this?

It looks like an entire MediaWiki installation full of spam.

Danatela

not only spam, there are also beverages +)

Danatela

04:13

@psusi did you try coreboot?

Nathan Osman

06:02

100 GB of storage on Amazon Glacier for $1 / month? Sounds like a plan!

Konner Rasmussen

@Danatela hello =)

Minato Namikaze

Good Morning People :P

Konner Rasmussen

@MinatoNamikaze wow... im probably going to see that guys face in my next nightmare o.O

Minato Namikaze

@KonnerRasmussen lol

Konner Rasmussen

so... since this is my first time using chat, i feel like i should ask, is this for technical chat, or just for idle conversation?

Minato Namikaze

06:17

@KonnerRasmussen It used to be for idle convo's

Now stuff is a lot more site oriented

But it's fine to talk about random stuff as long as we dont go excessively offtopic

Konner Rasmussen

@MinatoNamikaze what would be on-topic? anything related to an se forum?

Nathan Osman

Anything Ubuntu-related.

Minato Namikaze

@KonnerRasmussen Ubuntu related stuff

Nathan Osman

@MinatoNamikaze That is... disturbing...

Konner Rasmussen

my thoughts exactly

Danatela

06:19

@KonnerRasmussen hi

so what image are you going to write onto USB?

Konner Rasmussen

@Danatela ATM im working on getting switched over to arch linux (which i guess unetbootin would work fine for) but i was hoping for a more all encompassing solution

@Danatela like i said iv been using rufus for windows... but i no longer have a windows box in my home ...

Danatela

for arch you should use UNetBootIn, though you will not get persistence file

Konner Rasmussen

ok so... wouldnt using dd create a partition on the usb, which would then contain the fs from the iso? (leaving the remaining space unallocated?)

Danatela

try to run rufus through Wine ;)

Konner Rasmussen

iv always understood wine to be experimental. since M$ libs are proprietary...

Danatela

06:26

and dd AFAIK will not create partition, it will create track

Konner Rasmussen

whats "track"?

Danatela

your USB will be seen as CD

Konner Rasmussen

so the fs created would have the empty space reserved? for nothing?

Danatela

yep. you will be able to write onto usb exclusively in low-level mode

Konner Rasmussen

any insight on what low level mode is? (god i feel like an annoying noob =/ )

Danatela

06:32

dd if=/path/to/file of=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=512 seek=200

will write first 512 bytes of file to /dev/sdb starting at 200

Konner Rasmussen

ah ok... sounds like a pain... shouldnt there be a way to manually do what unetbootin does?

Danatela

@KonnerRasmussen good question

place it on the main site and I'll give you upvote

Konner Rasmussen

by that you mean to ask it as an actual question right?

Danatela

yep

or edit your start question

Konner Rasmussen

two separate (although related) issues... id make a new q

on the topic of wine... have i heard correctly that it is experimental?

Danatela

06:38

it can run many windows apps

give it a try

Konner Rasmussen

last time i tried it (was a while back) i couldnt make it work... should it run out of the box?

maybe i got the wrong package

Danatela

install that ppa: ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa and then install wine

hmm it seems installer doesn't work

Konner Rasmussen

disregard that ppa?

Danatela

no, I just realized i have not wine installed

ppa is fine

Konner Rasmussen

well... who needs wine, when you’ve got STYLE lol... gimme a sec ill try it =)

would wine be supported for arch linux as well?

Danatela

06:50

yep

why not?

Konner Rasmussen

not sure... never actually done a successful install of arch... not sure if it has a different software set...

Danatela

it even has Unity %)

Konner Rasmussen

what about kde? (dont really like unity)

Danatela

sure

Konner Rasmussen

ill take this to mean that anything ubuntu has, arch does too... correct?

Danatela

06:53

kde is the one that has support across many of distros

I'm not sure that it actually has everything

but you can make everything to work on it using sources

though it's tough sometimes

Konner Rasmussen

well, in theory, isnt linux still linux no matter the distro? such that anything build for linux as a whole should work on all distro (provided the prereqs)?

Danatela

since I moved onto Ubuntu from Gentoo, I rarely compile packages

why do you want arch?

because it is fresh?

Rinzwind

@KonnerRasmussen I would not be to confident about that ;-)

Konner Rasmussen

someone said on one of the SE forums that arch tends to have up to date software repos (unlike ubuntu)

@Rinzwind why do you say that? are the distros really that different?

Rinzwind

no. But there are subtle differences that make you cringe :=)

Konner Rasmussen

06:59

@Rinzwind arent the distros basically a collection of software packs on top of a unified linux kernel?

Danatela

@KonnerRasmussen if you like experimenting with new features, it is good… but Ubuntu has more wide support

Minato Namikaze

Danatela

mystery of century?

Aditya

07:30

@Braiam Had another power outage (a bit longish than before) and then I went to sleep... Than for the link to that question, would give it a try when I am on Ubuntu.. right now using Windows.. :)

Konner Rasmussen

sorry to disappear, had to deal with some BS

Danatela

@KonnerRasmussen ^

seems to work

Konner Rasmussen

indeed... but it seems that it is 2:30 at night. i appreciate all the help... ill continue the venture tomorrow... probably post more questions and pester all of you some more =P

Danatela

good night

and at my location is 1:41 PM +)

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Q: Implement pidgin hide groups feature

Since pidgin developers refused to implement subject of the question, I attended myself to start doing the patch that will implement that feature. There is a patch that does this for libpurple but it's hardcoded and I need the option to hide/show groups at run time, like any other messenger does....

gtk pidgin

any ideas?

Venki

07:57

Are there any known problems with conky and Ubuntu 14.04?

Danatela

@Venki hi

Venki

@Danatela Hey!! :-)

So know about conky ??

Danatela

no

just try it

Venki

Actually i tried one but it appears distorted.. @terdon was helping me yesterday but we couldnt solve things ... Hoping he will come back today...

Is it fine to post a question about conky in AU?

With 14.04?

fossfreedom

yes

Danatela

08:04

nobody will resist =)

Venki

Great. posting one now...

Danatela

and if you got screenshots it would be great

Venki

yeah. Sure ...

Danatela

@fossfreedom can you look at my question on SO I posted above?

fossfreedom

I didnt understand the question - when you applied the patch and built the sources what happened?

Danatela

08:17

I didn't actually apply it but I can forecast what will happen – there will be one big group

and I need the checkbutton in menu to click it and hide groups including their names

do I need to paste the patch code?

fossfreedom

That patch is 2 years only - it is likely the source has been updated since then. You can try to apply the patch manually - patch -p1 < patchname.patch - but it is likely you'll need to manually merge it - look at the line numbers and look at the structure of the code and make the changes suggested wherever recommended

Venki

I just posted the question ...

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Q: How to make Infinity conky work right in 14.04?

First of all, my desktop environment is unity.I am using it with 14.04 OS(with all recent updates). I recently installed infinity conky from here : http://icanbeacoder.com/blog/infinity-conky/ . I installed and followed all the instructions correctly in the readme file provided with the conky. Bu...

conky

Danatela

yep. I have no problems in applying that patch

fossfreedom

surprising - but sounds like good news

Danatela

I just want to make it hide groups on the fly

@Venki and what with Sourceforge's conky?

Venki

08:29

What "sorcuforge's conky"? Cant get you. Can you come again?

Danatela

conky.sourceforge.net

hmm… it seems they are different apps

Venki

No I didnt download anything from there. I got conky all , curl packages from s/w center and downloaded the conky from here... icanbeacoder.com/blog/infinity-conky

Sorry. I have got to leave. Will get back to you guys soon. Please try answering my question or drop comments.

Bye!! :-)

Danatela

@Venki you're soon =)

Minato Namikaze

09:20

softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/3255/…

Dan

10:13

It's possible to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade at the same time? Was this the case since forever?

fossfreedom

just string the commands together with &&

Danatela

@Dan they should be run one after another

Dan

@Danatela @fossfreedom I know about that, but I was just testing

i ran both commands each in a different terminal window

they can run in parallel

has this been the case since the start?

shouldn't it create the lock file in the command that is run first, and throw a lock error on the second?

fossfreedom

might be worth a question on the main site - I dont know personally the history behind why debian created it this way.

Danatela

@fossfreedom can you suggest me a good room on chat.stackoverflow.com for the mentioned question?

fossfreedom

10:26

with your pidgin question? Talking about in depth coding advice doesnt really fit in a chat style - you should only talk very specific quick stuff - the smart developers room might be your best bet.

Danatela

thanks!

Venki

I am back!!

@terdon I have posted that conky problem as a question... askubuntu.com/questions/447977/… Hope you got your VM up and running...

Danatela

@fossfreedom Smart Developers Lab? It is for android I think

fossfreedom

my bad - yes you are correct

Venki

@Danatela Hi, again! Do you know of some query that ranks AU users by reputation? Just want to know where I stand in this site.

Danatela

10:40

the users button?

Venki

Really? Will try...

Aditya

@Venki stackexchange.com/leagues/31/alltime/askubuntu

Venki

@Aditya Thanks. BTW,, I am 2907!! But that is out of 192,774 users. Aint that bad! But have a lot of work to do!

Aditya

@Venki Not bad at all in my books.. :)

I don't put too much value on reputations...

Venki

:-D

Venki

13:11

Is there any way to see who upvoted my question in AU?

jokerdino

nope

Venki

Hmm..

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Q: How to make Infinity conky work right?

First of all, my desktop environment is unity. I am using it with 14.04 OS(with all recent updates). I recently installed infinity conky. I installed and followed all the instructions correctly in the readme file provided with the conky. But my conky appears distorted, like this(the background im...

conky

help?

Danatela

hi guys

struggling to find a room on SO for my question

terdon

13:27

@Venki VM still down but working on it now. I'll try as soon as it's finished

Venki

@terdon great!!

Avinash Raj

13:46

0

A: Broken upgrade repair

In order to make your update not to fail you need to update to 13.04.

Jorge Castro

14:30

@NathanOsman hey what was that plugin that added apt-links?

Oh, it's 404

@Aditya, yes, and yes to your unity8 question

Rinzwind

14:46

@Venki it was not me >:)

terdon

@Venki Yes there is. Just ask the person who upvoted you. In this case, you need to ask me.

Venki

@Rinzwind Right.

@terdon Ok :-)

Rinzwind

@Venki only a few more users to ask ;-)

terdon

@Rinzwind Hey, I would tell him it was me if he only asked. Nicely.

Rinzwind

lol

Venki

14:48

@terdon Respected Mr.terdon, may your subject ask, "did you upvote my question"?

Avinash Raj

@terdon why don't you participate in this stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/bash

terdon

@Venki Yes I did my son. :P

@AvinashRaj Dunno, I already spend way too much time on 5 differerent SE sites...

Seth

@Aditya No real pact exactly. A couple of us just decided to have upside down user names on MSO.

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oǝʇɐW, here

41 2 13

markdown feature-request chat community-wiki discussion bug google

Avinash Raj

hmmm

@Seth how you people do that?

Rinzwind

@AvinashRaj edit your name with html tags?

Nathan Osman

14:54

@Jorge: The toolbar UserScript?

Seth

Unicode characters.

Rinzwind

@Seth or that :-)

Jorge Castro

@NathanOsman yeah

Avinash Raj

html tags?

@Rinzwind

terdon

@AvinashRaj No, unicode: ‮‮reversed text goes here

digitalpbk.blogspot.fr/2006/11/…

Mateo taught me yesterday

Aditya

14:56

@Seth Hmm... so there are more people involved in the pact...

Seth

Yep

Rinzwind

My firefox shows it normal :D

Avinash Raj

does installing a trusty package on Ubuntu 13.10 cause any damages?

terdon

@AvinashRaj Depends on the package and its dependencies. It might, yes.

Aditya

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A: How to post links that integrate with the Software Center?

Note: This tool has been superseeded by this UserScript which offers the same functionality but adds some additional features and integrates better with the editing toolbar. Insert Apt Link This small UserScript adds a button to the editing toolbar that makes it easy to insert a link t...

Mateo

14:58

@Seth shhh, it is a secret ;0

Rinzwind

@AvinashRaj I would not mix versions...

Avinash Raj

see askubuntu.com/a/448106/202806

Venki

@terdon The knowledge I gained that day from you because of my lightdm.conf problem made me give this loooong answer here..... askubuntu.com/questions/448045/low-resolution-on-lubuntu/… Thanks to you again for that!!

terdon

@Venki Glad I could help.

Mateo

so anyone can buy the Google glass thing today huh (if they have that much money...)

Seth

15:00

Really? Cool! @jrg

Rinzwind

@Mateo too expensive for me :( I need a new puter 1st

Venki

Well gotta go now!! @terdon I will come back tomorow so that we can solve the conky issue? ?

terdon

@AvinashRaj Yes, but it depends on the package. Presumably Silvain knows what he's talking about (he's a Canonical employee). As long as there are no dependency issues, it shouldn't be a problem. It's just something to be avoided in general unless you know what you're doing.

Mateo

@Seth one day only... whnt.com/2014/04/15/… hm, can't really justify it given what I've seen so far

terdon

@Venki Sure, but don't get your hopes up, I am trying now but no promises :)

Venki

15:01

Yeah. right. Bye!!! :-D

Mateo

That and I'm buying an Ubuntu phone towards the end of the year!

Seth

@Mateo oh, just one day? Well IMO 1500 is outrageous.

@Mateo Cool!

Mateo

@Seth that is when they come out and if they can send them to the US ;)

Nathan Osman

@Jorge: it's been superseded by the Ask Ubuntu Toolbar script.

...which is on Stack Apps.

terdon

@Venki sorry, just tried on my 13.10 VM and unity and it works perfectly. Either something changed on 14.04 or you have some other issue specific to your system.

@Seth That's not outrageous, it is bait for morons. You'd have to be one to spend that much money on something like that. Especially for a 1st generation product.

Seth

15:06

Hey, someone has to test it.

I'd like to be an explorer if I could justify the money.

terdon

@Seth Sure, me too, if you gave me one. But spending that kind of money on what is, honestly, a pretty silly gadget seems, well, dumb.

Mateo

plus the demo video only looks like it searches google, and takes pictures/video

and needs wifi for that, so I would need to buy tethering on my phone?

or does it have a sim card...

Seth

No it doesn't need tethering, it needs your phone's data connection like any other app.

Nathan Osman

Probably nano SIM.

Seth

Over bluetooth.

No Sim.

@terdon yeah exactly.

Mateo

15:11

@Seth yikes, so needs a phone to be of any use, and basically you really can't use it to drive (murky waters law/opinion wise) which is the only real use I can see using as a wireless headset / gps I don't need to look over to the gps for.

Seth

Btw, I saw 10 electric cars the other day. Thought that was cool.

@Mateo yeah needs a phone.

Nathan Osman

I am patiently waiting for the Android 4.4.3 update. So far it's only gone to Sprint users.

Mateo

@Seth T-mobile locked out sharing the connection over wifi unless you pay more

Seth

@Mateo my understanding is that that won't matter the way it does it.

Mateo

hm, maybe: support.google.com/glass/answer/3056780?hl=en

but that is basically bluetooth tethering..

oh well, I would buy a new computer with that kind of money before buying something like that.

Minato Namikaze

15:35

play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hatroid.sview

Doesn't samsung have a copyright for this?

Mayukh Nair

If Google is to be believed, Sammy hasn't patented this yet @MinatoNamikaze

And even if they do, why do they give a damn?

They are busy fighting a losing battle against Apple for the TouchWiz they shepped on the first Galaxy S.

Even the Samsung lawyers got confused between an iPhone and the Galaxy S while presenting the handset to the jury xD

Minato Namikaze

@MayukhNair lmao

Mayukh Nair

Anyways, who are the chat group guys suporting?

Apple or Samsung?

Minato Namikaze

</offtopic>

Back to ubuntu stuff

Mayukh Nair

Dude

when you were offline yesterday

Me and some other guys, including moderators, were discussing jazz music and stuff

for about an hour

on his group.

Minato Namikaze

15:48

It's not illegal lol xD

Just not encouraged :)

But since the chatroom's quiet, I guess we can :P

I'm on Samsungs side. You cannot patent a rectangle with rounded corners.

Mayukh Nair

xD

Both are guilty.

Apple copied dictation keyboard and notifications from Android

iPhone was the reason Google came out with Android.

But it's known very well that Samsung is jealous of apple. Dead jealous.

cnet.com/news/…

Avinash Raj

@Mateo i tried this

[mirror char]hello, how are you?"

but it won't works.

Minato Namikaze

@MayukhNair But, android wasn't planned to be a touchscreen os before the iPhone release

Mateo

@MayukhNair I would say neither. there were some things that were obvious trying to be like apple, but apple is going too far

Mayukh Nair

I know. That's why I said both are guilty.

Mateo

15:54

@AvinashRaj lol

@AvinashRaj Copy between the marks > ‮‮ cigaM s'tI >

Mayukh Nair

But I don't really understand why most Android fanboys can't understand that a 3 GHZ octacore phone or monstrous specs is not what makes Android popular

If Apple is surviving, it's because they gave a backseat to hardware and focused on software instead.

Avinash Raj

this ><hello, how are you?"><

or

>hello, how are you?"<

Mateo

@AvinashRaj no, I have a magic character between those marks...

Minato Namikaze

How do you do the right-to-left unicode thing?

Avinash Raj

@Mateo space

Mayukh Nair

15:58

If Sammy is surviving, it's because of the specs that are wasted by the puny processes of most Android apps and those "smart" features which are eventually switched off by the user to save battery.

Mateo

@MinatoNamikaze it is in here > ‮‮ >

@AvinashRaj wrong again

Minato Namikaze

just that

terdon

@AvinashRaj no, that's the point. It's an invisible character but not a space. You need to copy what Mateo posted

‮‮ >like this

Mateo

@MinatoNamikaze type after the second mark after copying

Avinash Raj

@Mateo i can't able to copy the second arrow mark

Minato Namikaze

15:59

‮‮ so, This is how it's done? Cool now for all of the stars

Mateo

@AvinashRaj ;) anyway it is not the marks that are important

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