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00:00
then everything turns out awesome:
@Mateo such cold...
@Mateo that's just awesome, not creepyawesome
ok :)
6 mins ... (debian-live-7.3-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso)
i was looking for a pic for that's not creepy, THIS is creepy... but everything i found was sufficiently disturbing that it didn't warrant posting here ;)
00:03
yay! @FEichinger is coming to the dark side!
@Braiam Blame Ubuntu being utter shit to me these days.
i hear they have cookies.
he eats cake...
@Braiam Oh, you!
I see what you did there.
O_o
00:04
But seriously, I've had more trouble with Ubuntu in the last week than over the entire runtime of my Vista.
Let that sink for a moment.
i don't experience issues because i don't use unity...
@hbdgaf true dat.
@hbdgaf Yeh, but I'm not installing a GNOME tahr just to watch it horribly horribly die.
thanks
no, you should use a xfce tahr
@FEichinger fair enough... gnome(3)-desktop is still a thing in ubuntu isn't it? or does it auto-unity-fy
00:07
@hbdgaf I'm not grabbing a non-Canonical image of a pre-release version, and I'm not installing another DE over that crippled messy pile of an install that comes from it.
that's fair. you're saying there should be a gubuntu official distro?
I'm saying Unity can go die.
i do not disagree, but what i'm getting at is:
We've been having kubuntu, xubuntu, etc for a while because gnome was "the norm". Now there's a missed detail that when you say "we're rewriting gnome", maybe there should be a gnome respin that is official
just saying, i flew off the handle when it landed since i used gnome at the time. know when i see other people do it i'm all quickmeme.com/img/9f/…
I like kubuntu - mostly except the auto save session
@hbdgaf Oh, there is. Ubuntu GNOME is going strong. But if I have to use a pre-release version, I'm not going to use an image that, while official, isn't put together in the way Canonical wants it to be put together. I already have enough instability in the system, doesn't need to add another issue to it.
00:13
okay, that's fair. i was trying to solve it, but it looks like there's a gap that probably won't be resolved.
I'd be perfectly open to using Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 once tahr is actually released. But during the pre-release phase, I'd rather see my PC burn in the manner Canonical intended.
@Mateo xfce til i die... or they remove the ability to edit themes and panels - or compositing stops working
@Mateo so crazy lots of progress on camcastic this weekend. it's nothing in LoC or functionality , but loads of understanding how to do what i want to get done.
xubuntu is a close second right now for me - there are a handful of linux steam games that have a strange fullscreen problems with k/ubuntu - so I default back to it off and on now - used it all the time on my old VIA - picoITX board
xubuntu is just the steady horse for me. other things have over-reached. xfce is the "bug? what's that?" other than the sound indicator thing that was a problem exclusive to xubuntu, but i blame appindicator for that.
@hbdgaf yep, awesome stuff
00:21
@Mateo so v4l2ctl.py is done for the time being. i don't need set mode for gst, since you set those params in the filter, but it's another cog in the machine.
also, youtube needs a "playlists containing this song" feature.
@FEichinger are you sure you gave it a chance? i mean the blog articles only seem to go back to 2013?
00:36
@hbdgaf i'm thinking of getting a couple of inexpensive webcams for testing, maybe go to some thrift shops and find a random selection, i'll let you know when I have some maybe send a few your way.
it's fine, i might pick one up at the job. i used to have a couple spares laying around, but it's one of those things... anyway...
@hbdgaf What do you mean? It's really just the pre-release thing, I have no issue with it otherwise.
@FEichinger i think maybe when the project is more mature, it won't be running pre-release, but if you want to get wheels on the ground and get something running you don't fix the old broken stuff first... you fix the next release stuff so everything works ootb
My problem is with 14.04 being pre-release.
consider what i'm working on... i'm dev-ing for12.10-14.04. 12.04 is an "it would be nice to support it" bolt-on. and i'm doing an app, not an os. we should be patient with new projects to get their cycles in sync.
00:46
My problem is that I cannot use anything older than 14.04.
I'm affected by a bug that is not fixed until 14.04.
that will change. the ubuntu-gnome project is just young.
It's not about ubuntu-gnome.
It's the same with every flavor. It's an ubuntu-inherent bug.
Jan 5 at 15:41, by FEichinger
Yay! I have bug #1249787
well... i guess if that's the case, i'll take it. a bug for some of the auto-magic is good in most user cases. that's not to say i'll stop dual-booting freebsd ever, so it's not a religious decision. it's just - this works. hopefully things like this taper off over time. i'm sorry you're one of the people that is stuck in a corner.
Eggs, anyone?
00:54
@Braiam I know. Hence why I've been using 14.04.
But since that broke on me now, I cba.
And knowing Launchpad, chances are that, by the time a backport is pushed, 14.04 is already released, so why bother?
I don't think there's any convincing in the other direction now. I tried. Good luck with Debian. I don't think a corner case bug is ever a reason to switch distros... like how I tolerated the applet and used alsamixer instead, but I feel the pain since I like MSI and Asus boards on principle.
@NathanOsman this is your brain on drugs.
@hbdgaf Oh, I'll be back the moment trusty is actually released. But right now, I'm not dealing with my OS greeting me with 5 errors every boot, being unable to suspend or hibernate without trouble, getting driver race condition bugs every now and then and finally breaking on me completely after a few weeks.
@NathanOsman i had someone complain about that when i was working as a short order cook. my eggs were "too perfect" so they had to be flash-frozen. there was no way a short order cook could make eggs that perfect.
@FEichinger hopefully it turns out well
@NathanOsman I like mine sunny side down (most call them over easy)
if you order them at a waffle house that's over light. they don't have an over-easy. it's light medium or well. light being easy, medium being in the middle and well being hard
01:04
@hbdgaf good to know
conversely, you could ask the cook to leave a meat press on top of the egg-pan for a couple of minutes to put heat on the up part to make them lighter than over-light, but harder than up.
yes. i worked there.
so a over-under cook special :)
Oli
Oli
Anything other than a 63°C egg is a waste of my mouth's time.
i'm guessing you're talking poached. they didn't give us vinegar to make it hold togehter, but it's still do-able.
Oli
Oli
And don't you tell me we're at a waffle house without a water bath.
01:06
i mean... I can do it with the equipment they provide.
so you like soft-boiled. good to know.
Oli
Oli
Try one. It's a million eggs away from soft-boiled.
Fairly cheap to do too if you have a pluggable hot-plate or slow cooker. Just need a STC-1000 off amazon and a single gang extension.
If you're talking the sous-vide egg in the article that's just a proper soft-boiled egg with no outer white. My mother used to make those and crush them in crackers to make them less slimy for children.
Oli
Oli
The yolk changes in hour it's cooking. It's roughly a hundred and fifteen point two times richer.
01:17
ok
@Oli so do you cook them in water for that hour?
wondering if it could work in a pan in the oven
Oli
Oli
@Mateo yeah, get the bath holding temp, throw the egg in for an hour (or whatever you're aiming for) and then just crack it open onto some toast at the end
Not sure there's enough conductivity in an oven
And the temperature has to be spot on
We use a similar technique for chicken too. Slightly higher temperature (63.5 for a couple of hours) but it's restaurant quality. Same with steak (but down in the 40s).
ours is convection, maybe i'll try.
Oli
Oli
I think if you're going to try in an oven, put the egg in water in a pan in the oven.
yeah and measure the water temp
one of my favorite ways recently to cook an egg has been - take it whole with a bit of butter and salt on top - put it into the microwave for a couple of min - pop! (cover if you don't want a mess)
01:31
eww microwave. (I had to say it :P )
its easy - and the egg explodes, great way to start the day.
they have plastic heat dispersion trays to cook decent poached eggs in a microwave
nordicware makes one, and it works pretty well
01:41
if @Oli around "both running 14.04 and installed at the same time."
Very weird spam.
@Oli --^
a student at ucla could certainly ... not do that
you'd hope.
also, rare steak sous-a-vide was accomplished at waffle-house by puting a steak in vaccum pack through the dishwasher.
years before it was a thing to do it i might add...
this just need two pushes askubuntu.com/q/418475/169736
01:52
@Seth - we should so have migration paths for software-recommendations.
It's a site built on subjective reviews in QA format. It screams send me crap.
Oli
Oli
@Braiam You're pushing somebody to a private beta.
It's not a real site yet.
@hbdgaf how... did I know someone would ask for that.
<.<
Oli
Oli
And by every other comment I've ever read about it, it's going to be a toilet of spam, astroturfing and people too lazy to Google.
@hbdgaf err... are you aware that they really are tightening the rules
is not a run of the mill recommendations, our sofrec questions would be closed there as too broad
01:55
good luck with that... there's no way to objectively give software recommendations.
IMO the migration paths shouldn't be opened. The average soft rec question you get on the average site will get blown away on soft recs right away.
@Oli You haven't been on the site so... It won't be that bad :)
only a third of the way through this box of chocolates. not sure i'm going to be able to finish it.
if it was cake you wouldn't have that problem :/
well, he lists his goals, take out the "best" part - and it might work with extra info.(on software recommendations)
@Braiam you don't try to give disadvantaged women cake in february so they feel better about being alone but good people. i'm just consuming leftovers that got turned down... odd as it sounds.
01:59
D:
yes that. you're alone, but a good person with a half dozen kids. here's some chocolate. feel better. no thanks. okay, i'll eat it myself...
it's almost that time of year huh
yep. i was trying to get the good-guy stuff out of the way, but it backfired... and now i'm going to be sick off of chocolates ;)
Oli
Oli
I can't decide if I want bulimia or type 2 diabetes to win. What a battle.
ikr
suffice it to say, i am not at risk for either
02:05
I made a t-shirt I thought would be good (for valentines):
not sure i got what you meant there...
like the "you are here" markers on maps
erase the "e"
i get it now, but if you have to explain a joke, it's not funny any more
oh well, it was fun - maybe one for the mall crowd (always seeing those kind of maps)
anyone else but me thinks this is not a dupe? askubuntu.com/q/418693/169736
02:11
installing from source is a black-hole. i don't think specific install from source questions really belong here.
dupe-ing it is a nice way to say, here's a general guide.
"seems to be working now" off topic
exactly...
oh, that. i didn't get that far.
This is why I didn't want games to be allowed.
02:14
my lollerskates are rusty... hold on while i polish them up
there's a meta?
yes... there is.
@Braiam monaco, aw wait a foss game... well at least it is drm free
@Braiam What do you think of my comments here: softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/817/… (we should probably move this discussion into the other room too)
If these types of game recommendation questions keep coming, it's going to make me decline my pro-tem nomination most definitely.
The walking dead is back askubuntu.com/questions/418786/… SPAM ALERT
it was bound to happen when the new season started...
02:22
I didn't know a new season started.
/me doesn't follow tv stuff
These two:
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Q: Ubuntu phone development, where to start?

SubbehI'm a long time Ubuntu desktop user, but new to the development world. I'd like to start getting myself familiar with Ubuntu Touch and learn how to develop apps for it, however I'm a little bit lost on where to start. Can someone point me in the right direction? Also, do I need to get myself a ...

it started tonight... if it's a legit pirate copy it's probably first to market. so at least we're getting the BEST spammers.
-1
Q: How to develop API for "ubuntu mobile"?

user244780I want to develop some APIs ( i.e. socket ) for ubuntu mobile. I am good in Linux internals. Please provide me some details so that I can develop them.

:-/
i'm trying to find it as a compliment of sorts. i don't like it, but i'm trying to see it in a good way.
way too many blanks...
precisely.
02:30
(vtc'ing)
will follow suite.
 
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Q: Should Unity 8 have extensions for customizability

AndrewI belief that Unity needs somewhat of a customizability features. What better time to put it in while they are rewriting the code in C++ for version 8. I think it's more customizable than the applet features of many desktop environment like KDE, XFCE, to just name a few, because you can change/...

How many times does he have to ask questions like this?
Weirdest Q&A I've ever seen for a program.
@Seth not enough...
Obviously :-/
 
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Q: GNU screen status bar - how to make it display shell session names?

ARVLet's say I have several shell "tabs" (or screens? sessions?) named bash1, bash2, etc. open in GNU screen. I want the status bar (i.e., the caption line) to display the names as "bash1 | bash2 | ..", with the currently open tab and the last open tab clearly marked. How do I make this happen with ...

07:11
@Bruno close this
07:36
Good morning all! :)
Unfortunately for me I am back at work :(
07:53
It's a holiday - yay!
08:47
morning
@NathanOsman I wish
09:04
0
Q: how can I get the Precognitive badge

kamilIt says: Followed the Area 51 proposal for this site before it entered the commitment phase. I entered to area 51, but found that askubuntu have ended the commitment phase long time a go. I am frustrated. I don't understand this badge... Can you explain it better

Oh dear... I've lost an SSH key.
oh dear
hey guys, I'm the #1 user on the site this week so far
just sayin'
I know, it scares me too
my competitive streak makes me want to defend my position
but I don't like where this is heading
I don't really want to learn a new operating system just to defend my position gained through editing
10:15
@kalina so? It is an endurance so speed does not matter >:-D
@Rinzwind I'm coming for you No I'm not, far too much effort.
@kalina only took me 1000 days and most of them are even low rep days :=)
@Rinzwind and I have 30k+ rep on Arqade in only 150 days! :P
* this is not actually true, but you probably can't prove otherwise just by taking a quick glance at my stats
tsk arqade... We at AskUbuntu take upvoting far more serious >:=D
You mean on AU hardly anybody upvotes, right? RIGHT?
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I'm actually well on my way to electorate, so I'm doing my part to help
10:39
if anybody free
please look at
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Q: why I am getting like no artillery service?

rajagenupulaI have installed artillery in my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS successfully but while I am starting it as a service its not getting started. please find the below terminal log . root@ubuntu:~# service artillery stop Stopping Artillery... /etc/init.d/artillery: line 58: kill: (54215) - No such process...

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Q: artillary is not with SSH in ubuntu

rajagenupulaI have installed Artillery in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I have started artillary and started that service with service artillery start while I am doing netstat -nltp | grep LISTEN why SSH port number not getting protection from the artillery ? root@ubuntu:~# service artillery start Starting Artil...

dont mind that I am pasting here.
11:06
0
Q: Traffic Limit for L2TP/IPSec VPN

Benedict LewisI have set up my VPS (Ubuntu 12.04) to act as a L2TP VPN server using Openswan, xl2tpd and PPP. I am trying to add a monthly bandwidth limit for users (for example 500MB) and after that it should stop serving their requests. I have looked online but I cannot seem to find any documentation on this...

 
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12:07
Hey guys. Please vote for LibreOffice for the Community Promotional Ads at meta.askubuntu.com/a/8316/163331
seriously guys we should close this askubuntu.com/questions/32850/…
@Braiam why? very popular Q
@fossfreedom popular != good, it's literally asking for link and just links... any question like that would be shot down if asked today...
I don't think wget and accel are download manager even..
true - but no need to close historic questions. Lets concentrate on the dross today.
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12:22
@fossfreedom the problem is that we still get those kind of questions...
if I want something closed now, I need to close all previous instances just to be clear about it...
> Flareget is probably the best download manager available for Linux
> No One can beat Aria2, Best Downloader I have seen Ever
@AvatarParto yes sir/man :)
> Here's a review of "Best 8 Download Managers/Accelerators for Linux":
?!!?!
check the deleted answers...
no - policy has evolved over time. If necessary we can suffix the Q with the standard "big-list" statement. That doesnt stop us closing todays big list stuff.
> Can you provide the link for download manager for ubuntu?
^ as long as I provide a link to some download manager I'm answering the question
@Rinzwind It's awesome :-)
12:26
that kind of question should not be allowed now, nor before...
@AvatarParto np! :) :) Me likes LO
maybe - but there are more important stuff to think and do. move on.
@fossfreedom yeah, like preventing more of those questions to be asked...
@Braiam at least now we can close them all as a dupe of this one >:-D
which is easily achievable if we closed those old questions
@Rinzwind but the original is a bad question
we are setting the example of how we like questions to be asked and then whine about the questions being too vague to answer...
12:29
I consider download managers bad in itself so the question is clearly up to par with the subject ;)
sorry @Braiam :D just messing with you
@Braiam there you go - solved. I've added the big list statement. If you have the time, throw a few delete votes against naff answers and flag duplicates and we can then clean up the main question.
13:07
I can not seem to get my head around this one BUT something is screaming in my head that this is something really silly he is missing ...
http://askubuntu.com/questions/418948/ubuntu-10-04-restoring-old-files-on-reboot
 
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14:18
I have since left ubuntu for lubuntu since it does not have this issue. Note that this is a multimonitor setup, hdmi1 and hdmi2 is in use and they don't support the same modes. Maybe it's related, more testing show that it works sometimes, but often not. — KRA 19 mins ago
close it!
14:30
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Q: Just lets drop the software recommendation mess

BraiamLets face it... software recommendation were never good questions for Ask Ubuntu, and don't tell me "but they are popular"... the popular questions got their popularity because they are too broad or fit lots of questions, not because they were good. But let me not rant about that and lets see wha...

@Seth ^
16:25
BBT
Good Night
16:50
Valve Is Now Giving Away Their Games To Ubuntu Developers.... Where can I register as an Ubuntu developer :)
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Is that launchpad?
the link is from phoronix
the developer part
Ehm don't know where to register as an Ubuntu developer. Thats why am asking
> [1] Essentially defined as everyone who's entitled to upload directly to
the Ubuntu primary archive, even if only to a restricted set of packages
@thomasw. ^
16:54
Just read that
ah man...
well bitcoin dropped right when I was about to cash in for a steam machine...
guess I'll wait for the release
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Q: How do i register as an Ubuntu developer

blade19899I want to contribute as an Ubuntu developer, and help out Ubuntu I little bit. but don't really know where to register as an Ubuntu developer. When i have registered myself, how do I upload packages? Related: Expansion of Valve free games offer to Ubuntu developers

I will delete it, if someone down votes me :)
I suspect you just jump in and try and fix something (in primary)- then eventually someone else just gives you direct access at some point to something
wonder if any of nathan's stuff is in main
@Mateo Thanks. Short simple and to the point
I don't know, so I up-voted you question ;)
17:03
Thanks!
now making the "I can haz games app", will feature lol cats with steam outfits... for the sole purpose of getting something in main... :p just kidding (but you wonder if stuff like this might happen)
@Mateo On its own, it actually a good question!
actually it might be the dev team... launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev
not sure...
only for the free games? nonsense.
17:30
Hey I think that I found a bug
Is it OK that any user is able to edit this?
This is possible in any SE site
@Lucio oh, yeah. that was the old way of doing things
won't be possible on a new closure
Do you mean that this only happens with old questions?
yep, old closed question
Where can I find a new dupe ? :D
new ^
17:36
link
old ^
@Lucio so here is a new dupe link: askubuntu.com/questions/417650/…
thank you
BTW, that is an odd questions.
I don't think there are plans to convert them all, but if you see a duplicate question that has the link edited out revert it
@Mateo NO!
Don't do it, the others users won't know what the dupe is
what?
I mean that "if someone edits it out" "revert the edit" so It has the dupe link.
17:48
Oh, totally misunderstand it xD
anyway it would need to be people from SO to make them with the automated system
Oh strategy, long term decisions...
or a mod systematically opening and re-closing as the same dupe... so probably not going to happen
Amazing answer:
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A: Rejecting time bound programming exercises in interview

gbjbaanbSuch things are useless and annoying. I can see the value in simple tasks that are designed to weed out the truly inexperienced, but even then some people can be hit by nerves and clam up. Its happened to me years ago when I went for an interview and they asked my how I would return a result 80% ...

Oh crap, I'm still banned on Programmers.
I hate it!
@Braiam It got reopened D:
@Lucio Question banned or?
17:58
@Seth fully
If someone around is mod on Programmers.SE, I want to talk with you.
You aren't fully banned.
You're either questions banned or answer banned.
both
@Seth well that is a totally different question now... don't know if it is good, but not "list all the free(and opensource) games!"
@Mateo No, but it's close. "List all open source linux games that are LAN multiplayer and turn based"
@Seth thanks anyway
18:03
@Mateo I'd appreciate it if you threw a close vote as "too broad" on there and upticked my comment.. At least the comment, so it gets seen :)
like I'm going to go through all the turn based games (after finding them) play them and recommend one
I can see finding features - tabs for a file manager ability to right click to get to terminal and something else in the same question.
Is this still relevant?
it just needs some more clarification.
This is still too broad. Now you're asking to list all Multiplayer turn based games. It is a little better, but still too broad. — Seth 3 mins ago
Hmm.. I updated that. Why isn't it expanding?
Anyway, there's more to the comment than just that.
ah, now the accepted answer is not turn-based...
Last answers, didn't get much attention as first ones.
18:06
@Mateo facepalm
@Lucio You're supposed to delete them as they get done..
I gave up, it was too unorganized.
@Seth I'm talking about the latest ones
Shouldn't be removed?
Or it is some kind of application?
@Lucio it's a command.
hm, application tags on software recommendations? should it instead be application categories?
I also think Braiam is going a bit too far in his tag removal.
@Seth could you add that to the summary?
hehe
user image
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18:14
@Lucio done
thx
Someone needs to approve them first..
@Seth lol - that wont happen ever
wtf
my new useless idea:
haha
18:16
it is a video tape for your Raspberry Pi!
Scan with more dpi..
plays video in your vcr
BOOM
@Lucio oh my word...
18:17
@NathanOsman ping that
@NathanOsman for moderator :D
wha, I thought we were not having them wow, I'll put up the vote ad again!
@Mateo you should
It hasn't been have too much echo yet
wow, 2 positions
just 2? Interesting.
18:20
seth and braiam!
and done, we can probably get it displayed in time for the start:
voted!
@Mateo hey that was fast
@Lucio copy paste from last year... with the new link
ROTFL
Otherwise, you would be working for Obama! :P
@Lucio he can't do a website that sends a form to the right place... (but promises that it will be sent automatically)
18:27
lol
Thats what was used to 'hack' instagram - never used it. And never will.
Whoehoe, Election started!
Am gonna run for president.
Moderator* :)
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A: How do I sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct?

TakkatIt is made very easy to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct Launchpad offers a step by step guide to do so: https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct * *Note that you will only see links to the codes there if you have already signed it This will open the following page: All you have to do is follow...

This should be updated :/

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