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pacificfils

20:03

@Mateo refer to my edited post.

I am talking about how IRC does /me

[11:59] <@pacificifls> This is a test
[12:00] * pacificifls does a test

@blade19899 WOAH WTF. I'm at Cal Poly right now, using their T3 lines.

Mateo

@pacificfils like how stack shows that feeds are being edited?

pacificfils

never seen that.

so i can't say

Mateo

Jan 9 at 3:27, by Feeds

Nathan Osman has stopped feeding the users of this room

pacificfils

pacificfils can't type today.

YES. BINGO. EXACTLY.

and, here we go:

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Linux Mint

Proposed Q&A site for professionals and enthusiasts of Linux Mint. This is also to keep Minters out of AskUbuntu =]

Currently in definition.

Mateo

let the off topic questions begin!

pacificfils

20:13

?

it is a QA for mint.

on Area51

to get RID of off-topic questions.

Mateo

which I will ask off-topic question about ubuntu on there...

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blade19899

LOL

pacificfils

@Mateo Best. Idea. Ever.

tomorrow: propose one for spamming, esp for babaji.

Pac's Tech Rule #17: If you get the dreaded Invalid Username or Password message, it's your password.

lazyPower

Needs more eyes

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Q: How to disable generation of thubmnail just for video / movie?

This is overloading my HDD (or at least annoying load) since I'm having folders full of videos. I've managed to tweak thumbnails size (16), but that affects only the cache, which is not the problem. I'd appreciate any solution, even a complicated one or not direct, i.e. lowering the generation'...

Lucio

@lazyPower it is a dupe

pacificfils

20:21

Agreed,

lazyPower

yeah, i thought it was. TOo common of a question

pacificfils

Flagging.

lazyPower

but i edited it anyway and linked the dupe

pacificfils

flag it.

You cannot star your own messages

click here to remove the notification bar

aww...

lazyPower

flagged

pacificfils

20:25

i want 3k rep...

CLOSE VOTES!

lazyPower

pfft

i want to give some of this rep away so i can go back to 1800

pacificfils

post a q w/ 100 bounty that I can answer. =]

lazyPower

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A: No sound - often problem

To start, your question regarding where to place commands: There is an application packaged with every ubuntu variant that has "terminal" somewhere in the title. gnome-terminal kterminal lxterm This is your interface to the command line or a text only terminal on the system. I will assume yo...

needs validation of terminal app list

What a great answer

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A: How do I correctly partition for a dual-boot 12.04 install?

The extra partiton Ubuntu can't use may be preventing it from automatically partitioning. You said "I shrunk my Windows partition and formatted it for a fresh Ubuntu install to dual-boot alongside Win7." If you're able to shrink the Windows partition and you make sure to shut down or reboot Win...

pacificfils

Website idea: Is This Command Safe?

lazyPower

Thats context specific, it will be hard to discern what the intent of the command is

pacificfils

20:34

kinda like SE, but you post a command you are unsure of, and community gives you feedback if it is safe to run in the scope of what you're doing.

lazyPower

ergo, its common for me during juju development cycles to blow away my $HOME/.juju - but i wouldn't recommend you do that in a production environment.

pacificfils

i.e. Is the command safe to run: rm -rf *

To which someone would reply no.

or, vote NO with a reason.

Mateo

@pacificfils maybe built in sand boxes to show effect?

TRiG

How much do I hate the way Nautilus behaves in 13.10? This much.

pacificfils

@TRiG No. THIS MUCH:
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@Mateo Good idea. But how would one do that?

TRiG

20:37

@pacificfils It is utterly utterly horrible.

pacificfils

@TRiG Dolphin is okay...

sometimes

o/

Seth

@TRiG Wait till we switch to Gnome 3.10 D:

pacificfils

WHAT?

UBUNTU IS SWITCHING TO GNOME 3.10 ??!

lazyPower

Not by default, no

unless you mean the GTK bindings being moved to GTK3 and the 3.10 dependency chain

Seth

I mean Unity relies on a lot of Gnome.

pacificfils

20:39

See y'all in Windows Land!

lazyPower

well the statement of moving to gnome 3.10 was a bit open. I wasn't intending to troll, just trying to scope it a bit more :)

Seth

@lazyPower Yeah I know :)

pac obviously got confused so it was needed ;)

pacificfils

so Gnome is NOT going to be the default DM of ubuntu?

lazyPower

Not unless you tell it to be. Correct. Unity is the defacto default for Ubuntu

pacificfils

ehh, still hate it, but at least I get KDE

Seth

20:45

@pacificfils The point was, Unity relies on a lot of gnome and it currently uses 3.8.something

pacificfils

And, unity sucks.

Seth

It will be awful when it switches to gnome 3.10.. (well, nautilus will be awful)

@pacificfils You're talking to someone who uses Unity every day.

lazyPower

@pacificfils askubuntu.com/questions/408398/…

No bounty, but its open bait for rep. If it sits for 2 days i'll add a bounty

pacificfils

@Seth Well I'm sorry, but it IS true,

Seth

@pacificfils What I'm trying to say is: It's all relative. I don't like KDE that much, but I don't go banging it's name around just because I don't like it ;)

pacificfils

20:47

Well, Unity is another breed.

lazyPower

I'm reminded of this video

►

pacificfils

and 1st amendment...

Seth

btw, I like your new gravatar @lazyPower. Someday I will need to actually use an image that isn't underexposed..

lazyPower

Thanks :) i thought my half face was getting a bit long in the tooth

pacificfils

hmm. @lazyPower lemme think about how to do that.

lazyPower

20:49

the answer is in the question, but to kind of illustrate the 'context sensitivity' of the Q/A for "is this command safe" - its all about the context of the exposed image.

or in that case, what you're trying to accomplish with the command.

pacificfils

true...

Seth

@lazyPower I don't understand what your question is.. Hit the plus then Ctrl+H and add your hidden files..

pacificfils

exactly what i'm writing.

Seth

oh

lazyPower

@Seth its because i was default selected on "recently used" not on my $HOME or another location that supports it

Lucio

20:55

@Seth do someone knows how to turn on PHP debug messages?

lazyPower

@lucio
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set('display_errors', True);

Lucio

and in the config file?

To make it global.

guntbert

@lazyPower what is a prefpane?

Seth

@Lucio Not me, but it looks like lazyPower got it.

lazyPower

guntbert - in the settings application, each individual subsection is referred to as a "pref pane" or "preferences pane"

pacificfils

20:57

WOO! Just figured out the <kbd>Keyboard</kbd> trick!

Lucio

1 min ago, by Lucio

and in the config file?

pacificfils

oh. it doesn't work here.

Lucio

nop :P

Seth

@Lucio I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

guntbert

@lazyPower IC ... would have never ocurred to me

lazyPower

20:58

@Lucio there is a ini flag 'display_errors' that needs to be set to True

Lucio

@lazyPower exactly, but I forget where that file remains xD

lazyPower

put it in your applications root, PHP by default cascades ini files

pacificfils

I see @Mateo likes my Mint proposal:

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Linux Mint

Proposed Q&A site for professionals and enthusiasts of Linux Mint. This is also to keep Minters out of AskUbuntu =]

Currently in definition.

THEN FOLLOW IT.

Mateo

@pacificfils :p

lazyPower

@pacificfils ammend your answer to include that show/hide dotfiles does not work on "smart folder listings" like Recently Used, and i'll accept it

Lucio

21:00

wait a minute

@Lucio Why did I pinged seth here? O.O

Mateo

what next a hardware recommendation question? or a is mint less secure question? or a question about canonical wanting mint to license binaries?

Lucio

that is strange :/

pacificfils

@lazyPower Done.

lazyPower

needs a spelling edit again

ntly Used) dib't

guntbert

+1

pacificfils

21:02

I can't type today.

lazyPower

Me either, don't feel bad :)

pacificfils

my laptop's glossy keyboard sucks

lazyPower

could be worse, you could be using dvorak

pacificfils

It used to be one of those very nice tactile plastic keyboards that had a film over it, but I use it so much that the film wore off.

and lol

lazyPower

i have too much muscle memory to type on dvorak

I'll stick with qwerty, kthnx

pacificfils

21:04

@lazyPower Double negative, man.

Mateo

@pacificfils whops you allready got someone wanting to dupe it to U&L :p

pacificfils

@Mateo Did you see how someone flagged my mint proposal as a dupe?

WHAT.

We typed that at the same time.

Mateo

:)

lazyPower

@pacificfils ಠ_ಠ

pacificfils

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Seth

21:07

not zalgo again..

lazyPower

Seth++

pacificfils

It's valid unicode.

Which is crazy

(And it messes a lot up)

Braiam

especially chrome/ium...

pacificfils

yep

Lucio

damn, I will need to ask a question on stackoverflow

see you later if I'm still alive..

pacificfils

21:17

I҉̨ ͝h͢o̸͢p̴̢e̵͡ ̡y͢͠o̸̡u͟͏ ̕ẃ͠i͢͞ĺ͢͟l̵̡͡ ͡͠s̸t̴íl҉̸͜ĺ̢҉ b͘͜͠e͜ ͟a͏̴liv͠e̵.̸'

zalgo is fun.

ʍ͘͞ɥ͝O ʍ̀ɐ̡̨Uʇ̨̧̕S̴͞ ̴͝Ɐ̨͞ ̴͠Ɥ̧͞ǝ͢Ɐ̕͝p͘͡Ɐ̢ɔ͟͜Ɥ͏ǝ̕͡*͜

Poor guy, lost his bounty:

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Q: 5% Xorg CPU usage after changing laptop brightness?

When I change brightness on the laptop with a laptop keys the brightness is behaving strangely for a couple of minutes, and Xorg eats 5% CPU during this time. I had the same effect on my previous laptop, which I attributed to its dying hardware. Now I get the same issue after a year usage of my ...

xorg kubuntu brightness

Lucio

@pacificfils auto-bounty maybe?

pacificfils

you can't get back your own bounty thouugh... Can you?

Thomas W.

Close this (Not Ubuntu):

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Q: I have Debian on my server. Should I use Centos or Ubuntu version of software I need to install?

This is my server: /usr/local/bin$ uname -a Linux nn15 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux The software I need is offered in these versions: centos-5.3.run centos-5.6.run centos-6.3.run ubuntu-8.04.run ubuntu-10.04.run ubuntu-12.04.run Which one should I download and try ...

server debian custom-distributions

Seth

21:43

@pacificfils Nope.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: I have Debian on my server. Should I use Centos or Ubuntu version of software I need to install?

This is my server: /usr/local/bin$ uname -a Linux nn15 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux The software I need is offered in these versions: centos-5.3.run centos-5.6.run centos-6.3.run ubuntu-8.04.run ubuntu-10.04.run ubuntu-12.04.run Which one should I download and try ...

ubuntu debian centos server

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. Was that closed, closed+migrated, cross-posted? (I'm really asking if migration paths are open)

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf closed by us then deleted by the poster (10k+ can see it)

they then manually created it on U&L

and no there are no community migration paths open for that.

hbdgaf

Oh, I could still see it... I forget about seeing dead things ;)

Thomas W.

(ultimately moderators can move things around but they try not to unless they discuss it with the target sites' mods.)

hbdgaf

21:53

I know... which is sort of why I was asking. Seems like it was kicked around a while and the concensus was we would wind up migrating trash so it's better to just ask them to repost in a more appropriate place with a pro-forma.

Thomas W.

mhm

@hbdgaf they used centos and ubuntu tags which weren't necessary hence why the U&L feed posted here

@hbdgaf it no longer has those tags as it's neither about Ubuntu nor about CentOS

(my edit removing those tags was approved)

Seth

@hbdgaf They're closed.

jumps into conversation with no context

Thomas W.

@Seth pushes you out of the conversation for having no context, and then forces you to endure the low quality posts

Seth

@ThomasW. I already endure those unfortunately.

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. Definitely. People asking what foreign distro repo to enable on their system are effectively asking: How can I make an impossible to troubleshoot/support configuration and probably break my computer, the universe, and everything? They seem not to realize it though.

Thomas W.

21:56

@hbdgaf unfortunately i see this in certain softwares

@hbdgaf like with OracleDB. you have to reverse-engineer the RPM to work with Ubuntu :/

pacificfils

moo

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. I understand. For niche projects like that there should be fan repos. It's sort of why I wish launchpad were more "open", not as in open source for all their developers that understand how it works, but as in "here's some juju script to set up your own launchpad instance where you can hold all those packages you're comfortable with but that might get Canonical sued if they hosted it." type of thing.

Braiam

/me use the 10k tools since he doesn't want to close stuff via queue D:

pacificfils

/me lols that everyone is using /me

hbdgaf

I used the 10k tools for about the first month after I got them... then I was all SWEET LORD MY EYES!!!

Thomas W.

22:00

@hbdgaf Um... that's why people set up their own Debian repositories

@hbdgaf there is a way to set it up with sbuild and some debian repository software to make it kinda work like PPAs...

but meh

Braiam

yeh, is the price you have to pay for being a semi ~~god~~ mod

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. Yes, but setting up a repo is a far cry from setting up a ppa manager gui. I could see someone starting pimpmylinux.to in some foreign island server to sidestep some laws and having a manages blob of PPAs there..

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf um... that GUI's just a front end to the CLI tools... ultimately it's all CLI stuff

just like GUFW is a graphical front-end for ufw.

one can make one, but ultimately everything is managed automatically

hbdgaf

I got about two thirds of the way through a compliant and working private launchpad instance running. Then I was all "remove all the logos without a pseudo-package... ice-pick to the brain of the inspiration"

I don't like replicating work... but it would be interesting. I had it far enough that I could have used it privately in some company and gotten away with it, but having to pick through logos and whatnot without a list of things I have to replace as line-items was too tedious for me to make it publicly useful.

hbdgaf

22:28

@Mateo - ping me if you're around tonight.

Nathan Osman

Juju manual provisioning sounds interesting.

Braiam

22:46

yay! 0 votes! :D

pacificfils

anyone know a hex-code for grey with a touch of blue-green ?

Seth

grey with a touch of blue-green?

pacificfils

yes.

Seth

@pacificfils Everyone has used /me for a long time...

pacificfils

lol

Braiam

22:48

bring this out of it's misery askubuntu.com/review/close/211327

pacificfils

or blue-green with greyish qualities.

Seth

@Braiam It's only got two votes :-/

Braiam

is this askubuntu.com/questions/401523/…

Seth

Who keeps disputed my flags for answers that are comments?

I'm going to start using custom.

jrg

I generally mark your flags as ok

even when they are disputed

Braiam

22:51

lol @jrg I was about to flag that one D:

Seth

@jrg Sorry, got a bit... ruffled.. there for a moment. Thanks though, I did notice that most of my disputed flags got handled properly anyway, which just left me more confused :P

jrg

@Seth weird...

Seth

One more vote on this:

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Q: Install USB iBurst Driver

I am struggling to install my iBurst USB modem so I can access the internet.

software-installation

bbl

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman it would be interesting if we're in the same conversation

@Seth that says to me it's someone reviewing flags that's not a mod with their knickers in a twist.

@lazyPower - on your dasroot contact page, you should maybe require click selection on the map to enable scroll zoom. if i'm scrolling through your page with my cursor in the middle, it's a little tedious to move my cursor to make click-zoom halt and scrolling begin again. just a thought. it might be an issue replicated in other sites you work with.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

23:18

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Q: Non-EOL Notice: Quantal (12.10) remains supported through April 2014

Since 12.10 is non-LTS and 13.04 is non-LTS and 13.04 will be end-of-life in a week, it might seem like 12.10 must have been end-of-life a long time ago. But that is not the case. 12.10 is supported through April 2014. Releases page. 12.10 release announcement with support information. We hav...

discussion offtopic-questions end-of-life

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hbdgaf

@AskUbuntuMeta that should be PSA pinned on the site.

Mateo

23:30

@hbdgaf Hi

@hbdgaf looks cool, so it then would it have a installer gui to do the pip stuff, or could that be done in a .deb

hbdgaf

23:52

i would do it with pip commands. it's bad form, but i'm not signing up to maintain a half-dozen packages that were pip converted just because i use them like loads of other people.

@Mateo - seems like a useless headache to me ^^

Lucio

…

^ broken unicode :P

Mateo

@hbdgaf so just a quick script?

hbdgaf

something like that

unless there's some canonical effort to do a stdeb pip conversion for everything in pip and there are bounties for fixing bugs, i don't see it. that may be any number of factors influencing my judgement, but if we want everything under version control, there should be a converted/unsupported repo that does pip convert all - file bugs against bounty-list. hope someone fixes it. the REALLY smart people use venv or re-implement things in more pure python so they can.

it's a progression. eventually we'll be at either everything is venv installable OR everything is distro-packaged. we just haven't hit the sweet spot yet.

either way, for our context, it's one pip-installable package that at least sort of works. i don't plan on supporting the upstream package. it's just a thing that can make it work the way i want.

in our case pip == bigger hammer.

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