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After two days off I'm back funnier:
(this image could be not mine)
00:28
This was my reaction after G+ decreasing privacy this week, I said #enough. You should do it too. cc @google #privacy http://t.co/C2FqDwsNYh
01:00
@Lucio: funny thing is I've had moments I wished I could send a message to a g+ friend like that
(though, I tend to practice some degree of compartmentalisation of information, to the point where my public face on the internet is a small dog)
Anyone running 12.04?
nope... it's imminently vm-able though. as long as it's not a compositing problem, i think vms are pretty reliable testing grounds...
also, scikit-learn seems pretty neat.
01:16
meh, IMO VMs take too long to configure just to answer a question.. and I usually have to do so much damage to them that I have to create a new VM every time..
Maybe someday I'll just do it..
01:56
Privacy?
What privacy? xD
(@Lucio)
mount -o rw,remount /dev/askubuntu
Dew
Dew
@AvinashRaj lol you fav...?
02:29
hm. I wonder if I tried if I could actually answer one question a day..
@RolandiXor Brask?
03:06
@AmithKK lol :D
@Lucio: no workie, but I know exactly what you're talking about ;p
03:37
@Seth you could. i used to answer 5 a day at least and 3 of 5 got upvotes. it's just that it's time you could spend doing paid work. so you have to choose how thankful your work is.
@hbdgaf Yeah. I'm not sure I have the time to do more than search and answer one a day.. If that.
if you have to search, you're not answering from the right place, unless it's - i know i did this before, but i'm looking for a detail i missed or forgot
@hbdgaf I mean, go through the tags and whatever to find a question to answer. Watching the front page isn't as efficient as I'd like.
on your vm damage thing, that's what snapshots and rolling back are for..
@hbdgaf Oh, I forgot about snapshots.
03:41
i like snapshots, and i like that canonical put out uec/openstack images for ubu server. images that load perfectly on aws that are actual desktop images too would be nice, but it's not a thing really. it just is.
brief aside: i wonder what the query limit is on the paid service for realtime data from yahoo finance... just on the realtime ticker applet front. seems like something to know.
and it's not exposed in their documentation.
04:22
@hbdgaf I wouldn't know, as I don't use Yahoo for anything ;)
04:34
Could someone look over my Q/A here please? I want to make sure I didn't miss anything...
I have the feeling something is missing, but I can't decide what it is.
@Seth I don't know very much of networks but would be a useful post
upvoted! :)
@Lucio Well thank you :)
Which would fit better for a method name, Exist or Exists?
That's all personal experience with my own server so..
@Lucio Probably Exists.
Or even better, were should a question like this be asked? English.SE maybe
@Seth G. translator is agree with you
04:37
@Lucio I don't know.. Depends on the exact question.
1 min ago, by Lucio
Which would fit better for a method name, Exist or Exists?
I meant for that Q specifically :P
Right, but that in itself isn't much of a question since it doesn't matter.. I think you're looking for the grammar/reasons behind choosing one over the other?
mmmm no, just for that one :/
Can't believe we closed this: askubuntu.com/questions/403972/… :-/
@Lucio Well I'm not sure the English Language & Usage folks would care what you named your method, they'd be more interested in the grammar behind it ;)
Anyway, I'm out for tonight and I like exists better ;P
@Seth thanks for the feedback
have a g night
 
3 hours later…
07:45
I need help from someone, anyone.. It's been a couple of days now and I am still unable to access my harddrive and all the files that are on there. askubuntu.com/questions/405759/…
@Nkciy84: do you have a drive with enough free space to do a full image?
No, it's terrible
I somehow know that with using TestDisk I will be able to get to a (allmost) full recovery, if I could just find the one with the expertise , that would be great..
testdisk's instructions are what I tended to follow
but I have a fairly basic forensics setup, so... I tend to image the whole drive, then do a recovery off that
It would be great if i was able to do that
so basicly, to prevent from screwing up, I need an external (USB?) HDD with at least one TB
(of course, I'm about as close to a classically trained forensics professional as you can get ;p)
@Nkciy84: the idea really is, you can check if testdisk can get the data out before actually running it
07:52
I understand
and use a recovery centric dd-varient for backing up
I would still need that external HDD, right?
whats the worst that can happen if I don't use a dd?
well, you could FUBAR things
testdisk is pretty nice tho, and usually works for me.
yeah...
yeah, wel, the problem is that all partitions are labelled as Deleted
you can often undelete partitions
07:53
and I have no idea which partition to set to logical or primary
or do file level recoveries
are we using gpt or mbr?
the most important stuff to recover are the factory windows backup image and my personal files
I have no idea :(
testdisk dosen't expect you to tell it what those partitions are
its telling you what it detected
07:55
You can look at the file names in testdisk to find out
you meen browse the partitions @Takkat
yeah it's a key you have to press.. just aminute for the link
P
i know the key, that way i know which partition i can restore
the problem however...
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A: How to resolve " The harddisk seems too small" with Testdisk Deeper Search

TakkatThis error message is to expected on a deeper search of a drive that had been re-partitioned several times in the past. Of course will your drive not be able to hold all these old partitions, because they would add to much more space than available. The next step to do is to select the NTFS part...

I don't understand the difference between a logical or primary partition
let me read
07:58
If you undelete the wrong partition you can mess up your drive to make it unrecoverable.
I will read it in a few, got to go for a while
Safest way is to do a file recovery on an external drive.
yeah, i have to see where the files are located
i got that far
ok
i got to get myself one of those then
factory Windows backup partition is an issue... you may not be able to get that working again... but why would you need this anyway?
08:12
Well, I like being able to dual boot
@Nkciy84 there is a limit of 4 primary partitions only. Each additional partition needs then to be a secondary partition in one of those 4. So removing the Windows restore partition gives you more freedom.
so the construction is like: OS is primary, DATA is secondary?
with secondary you mean logical right
you can have Ubuntu on a secondary partition too.
yeah, logical.
so, if i make OS a primary
i can make the rest secondary
i mean logical
yeah.
08:14
but whats the difference? sorry but i need to understand this
ok i will read that
A good partition layout could be:1. Windows, 2. Ubuntu root, 3. Data, 4. Swap
But it gets more complicated if you needed an NTFS and an ext4 data partition.
Ubuntu is on one ext4
Then on MBR/DOS you need logical partitions (or a GPT partition table which can hold more than 4)
08:19
ok
You can have all of Ubuntu root, and /home on one partition but you still need a Swap
It may be easier to re-install if you had /home on a separate partition. Many people do that.
But it's not the default.
Is it an UEFI system? Then your BIOS needs to be somewhere too.
<-- is not so experienced with UEFI
@Takkat no it is not. ubuntu happily mounts ntfs so you can share easily :=)
@Rinzwind but you can't hold /home on NTFS...
It is EFI
you could back up /home quite easily tho
08:23
@Takkat true but you can have it in Ubuntu root and during install not remove it
was messing with doing that with btsync
@Takkat
lets say for now I only restore the MBR, OS and DATA partition
yeah, and symlink your data on NTFS --> bit more complicated but doable.
my favo setup though is to have a 15Gb /home partition, remove all directories in home and symlink them from the /data partition :D
then, when I done that succesfully, supposedly, and after that run testdisk again, would it be able to restore other partitions?
08:24
@Takkat like that yes :)
@Nkciy84 you need the EFI GPT for your BIOS too, unless you switch to legacy BIOS:
@Nkciy84 nope. You may not be able to boot from MBR in case you have an EFI BIOS on your drive.
fml...
As said - safest way is to make a data only restore on an external drive and start from scratch with a clean system.
1. Bakup/Restore your data files 2. Wipe the drive 3. Install Windows 4. Install Ubuntu. 5. Restore your data.
But: double check you really recovered all of your data before wiping the drive.
hahaha
How did you mess up your drive btw?
08:29
let me show you
[mbr] [OS] [DATA] [Bios_grub] [Ubuntu] [ubuntuSWAP] [Recovery part. windows]
those where my partitions
the partition [DATA] had enough free excess space to allocate to the [Ubuntu] partition, which i needed
but [Bios_grub] was in the way
tends to run OSes on seperate drives
<-- tends to run only one OS ;P
@JourneymanGeek me too :) :) the linux device name setup makes it very easy to find what you need during formatting :)
@Takkat: my primary OS is windows at the moment
I have a linux drive on my desktop
I figured that deleting [Bios_grub], shrink [DATA], allocate the newly made unallocated space to the [Ubuntu] partition and finally use boot repar disk to get [Bios_grub] working again
08:32
@Takkat I need my gaming fix :-P and steam is fine and dandy but it does not have my games under linux yet :(
and a linux system for quick commands and downloadination and testing
soooo, that's what i did with a little help from someone on askubuntu
everything went well, untill during the growing process he told me to turnoff swap
@Nkciy84 sounds correct(?)
this may happen less and less in the future I hope.
@Takkat yeah :)
08:34
i shouldn't have done that swapoff thing, it messed up the gparted process
thing is the game I play now over steam USED to be playable native in Linux ....
so halfway through the program crashed or stopped or something
and now i am left with this crap
outch.
did you do anything with this drive after that?
@Nkciy84 eeeeeeeeeeeeeuw :X Thing is... might not be the turning swap off ... it could have been a bug you hit
absolutely nothing
so technicly, everything is still where it was
08:36
So you might have very good chances to restore the previous partitions.
its just the mbr that is broken
yeah, that's what i was thinking!
I am not going to mention backups. I am not going to mention backups. I am not going to mention backups. I am not going to mention backups. I am not going to mention backups.
but i need the HOW
no, please dont mention them
But I's still backup the data before I do further on the drive.
last thing I need is more salt in my self inflicted wounds, lol
08:37
@Nkciy84: I think what @Rinzwind is too polite to say is, always backup before messing with partitions ;p
backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup backup
@Nkciy84 did you see what I did there? I backed up the backup remark 4 times
why thank you @JourneymanGeek ......
I wish I didn't, lol
ok, now you are just being lame....
lol
happens to the best of us ;)
So with testdisk copy all your data on an external drive. Then proceed experimenting with partition layouts.
08:38
I know a windows system admin that used a nautilus for the 1st time ... he started it up as root and accidently moved the /etc/ directory...
bwhahaha
@Takkat agreed. seems to be the best method; get your personal data extracted and re-install
well, ok.... damn
@Nkciy84 I got more like that ;)
so I need to spae myself some 60 bucks
buy an external USB HDD
do the thing with the thing
and restore my thing
08:40
lol
it happens to me
most of my data is backed up or disposable tho
system admin (again a windows one) need to create shares for 100+ users.... so he thinks: we got /home/{users} so easiest is to make those shares..... it took 2 hours before nobody could log in.... the users saw all these files beginning with a dot and did not know what they are .... so they removed them....
@Nkciy84 you got no external hdds? I got like at least 10 doing nothing :X :X
@JourneymanGeek I got exactly 1 personal file that is not backed up on the internet (ie. movies, music ;-) ) and that is my password file of a wopping 10kb
@Rinzwind lmao
@Rinzwind: I have between 2-3 copies of my music ;p
and a bunch of DVDs that may hold a much much older version of it
@JourneymanGeek In case my /data/ gets destroyed all I need is my dimeadozen password and I can find my torrents... I just download my own torrent files :D
I used to save all my anime on external discs but restoring those takes longer than redownloading :X
08:44
lol
@Rinzwind I'm so hyped for episode 345 of naruto!
hence the 10 external hdds doing nothing D: I got a 32Gb USB stick I use more than any other external hdd
@Rinzwind Which brand? Trancend? What FS?
@AmithKK I knew what you meant before you edited it :D
@Rinzwind You watch it? :D
08:46
@AmithKK ext4 and it is a LaCie.
@AmithKK not yet :)
I mean naruto shippuden xD
I'll take that as a yes
@AmithKK no gonna watch naruto later today
and I bought that one just for the way it looks ^^
I wish we had LaCie selling here
Sadly we don't
darn expensive but man are they worth the money :D
08:49
@Rinzwind do they do custom engraving? :D
I have a 1tb drive for backups and a TINY sandisk cruzer fit for personal files
@AmithKK nope :-) but most of them are designed by Porsche. But the transfer rate is 25% better than WDs
and a glued together imation for booting OSes
(and 3tb on my desktop ;))
@JourneymanGeek I would love to get my hands on a sandisk cruzer extreme
106Mb/s for a 10Gb file :D
I do most of my large file movement over network
I have gig-e between my 2 boxen ;)
08:53
I got 1 notebook so not much of a network :D (and a ps3 and a mediacenter but I hardly use those for videos)
Mind me showing off? ;p
go ahead :D
I'm fine with it :P
@Rinzwind lol are you selling?
08:54
thats NOT all the computers I have on the network
I am never going to get another desktop; notebooks ftw. and maybe a tablet but that has to be a 17 inch :P
there's 2 more netbooks, 2 tablets, bunch of phones, 2 more old laptops...
a 17 inch tablet? why not go for a 50 inch tablet, they even ship with free remote control
@JourneymanGeek with what did you map that?
(using a token ring network for the homeplug nodes)
@AmithKK: visio, by hand
08:55
@Nkciy84 I have a 17 inch notebook and I do -not- want a smaller screen. Has to do with me being 1 eyed ;-)
@Rinzwind I was referring to a television set
I understand
(and those are not my real ssid names, tho I use that basic scheme)
@JourneymanGeek And where did you buy the homeplugs from
@AmithKK: local computer store?
@Nkciy84 tsk t e l e v i s i o n??? I got a beamer and 100" screen in the living room for my PS3 :D
08:57
@Rinzwind "you primitive person, what is this television you are referring to?"
@Rinzwind I'm jelly. Very very jelly
@Rinzwind so where can i pick up one of your unused 1TB external HDD's?? ;)
bought it when we had the european cup football in Holland got 33% disc. for buying screen and beamer at the same shop :D
@Rinzwind ok waar woon je?
@Nkciy84 I got 750Gb max :=D Journeyman is the 1Tb man ;)
08:59
@Nkciy84 Where do you live in dutch?
in het zuiden :-)
@Rinzwind: actually....
I have something like 3.5tb of storage total on my desktop
@Rinzwind how far south? <--- zuid holland, DH
My 1tb drive is sorta damaged
I live in the hague
09:00
@Nkciy84 Roermond, Limburg
@AmithKK: homeplug AV gear is oddly common here
@Rinzwind oh ok, I misread, I am dealing with some distractions at the moment called girlfriend and stuff
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@Nkciy84 I ditched mine for that very reason :=)
She was not a gamer? ;)
@Rinzwind I chuckled
09:02
@AmithKK games before women!! :-D
@Rinzwind got to go though, 98 problems and the girl +1
If anyone is so kind to upvote my post askubuntu.com/questions/405759/… because I could REALLY do with the attention :)
maybe there is someone who says: hey, yeah, wow, if THAT is your problem... just click this and that and your worries are gone...
untill then I will be looking for an external 1TB hdd...
ah that is yours. already upvoted that :D and 1st thing I thought: w t f :D
@Rinzwind you thought the post made sense?
09:04
Ill put a bounty on it :=D My 1st ever
@Rinzwind that is mighty kind of you, my fellow Dutchman....
ehm there is no bounty link :Z
@Rinzwind no it's due in half a day or so... I thought of adding a bounty myself
ah
if I forget feel free to remind me :=D
chasing Luis is less important ;)
09:06
@Rinzwind TYVM GGG
@Nkciy84 I did a very similar thing in the near past
Although it wasnt gparted
@Rinzwind I am blown away, did you get the number of that donkey cart?
what do you mean Amith?
I was moving a partition with Partition Magic and this happened
It was a 250GB external hard disk
@Nkciy84 Do you have a partition table backup?
@AmithKK Don't be silly....... :(
No I don't
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09:11
i.sstatic.net/Dyy2E.png everything is there thoug...
I really got to go
@Nkciy84 does pressing p show a file listing on any of the partitions?
got my reaction gif :P
@amithkk yes
@AmithKK Yes, on some sections it shows all the files
@AmithKK yessssssss!
09:30
@Nkciy84 partitions may show up multiple times... to change from 'D' to anything else you need to choose the newer one. In case you had a GPT partitioning (had you?) you could try to make them all "primary". Did you select Intel or EFI- GPT on testdisk partition selection?
Intel, I chose intell 100% certain
first however - backup your data files.. !
I can't at the moment, I don't have the storage :(
@Nkciy84 you said it's an EFI system - it may then be EFI-GPT.
get storage, you will need it for proper backups anyway ;)
Yes, GPT check
EFI check
I know, as soon as i have the possibility I will do that
So you say I can mark ALL as Primary?
at least all that have files i mean
09:33
I said you could try.... but it may not be correct.. at least you need to guess if you don't remember what they were.
Dont undelete the old partitions.
An make your boot partition *bootable"
that must be the FAT16 <32M one, right?
it says [EFI-SYSTEM]
@Takkat this is how it looks like now
@Takkat upon scrolling down I see the recovery partition automaticly set to Primary
@AmithKK @Takkat This is what it says so far guys...
Now when I want to apply the Logical charcteristic to other partitions, TestDisk says bad structure
sorry was afk'ed from work
I was am helping a friend.
Im just glad I still see that you guys are here :) thanks a lot
09:49
@Nkciy84 as far as I can see there are NTFS partitions which are not deleted, so we don't have to do anything with these.
meaning I don't have to give it characteristics?
Everything is set on the D by default
except the recovery partition
They are marked as 'P' - that's great. And you boot from the EFI partition, that's great too.
What was the Linux OEM partition?
@Takkat I have no idea... :(
Consider me semi a-technical
All human beings are semi-technical the most.
It doesn't matter, my EGO stays unnaffected :)
09:55
Well, this partition is empty except a trash folder. It may hold Grub in the partition boot record but this is unlikely.
Grub is of no concern at the moment, I can easily restore it (I think) with boot-repair-disk
So we need to see what the other 4 Linux partitions are, and which to recover.
@Takkat Ok I will, but I have noticed that when I change the partition characteristics I constantly end up with testdisk saying STRUCTUR:BAD
It looks like a big and a small partition listed twice.
I count 14 Linux partitions at total, one of them is swap, the other is OEM, and another is ROOT-A and then another is STATE
I think this is because of the interruptet growth process
09:58
STRUCTURE:BAD says it can't be recovered AFAIK. Can you see the files?
so let's say i focus on repairing just the NTFS and FAT partitions, will I be able to restore some of the LINUX partitions at a later stage?
let me see
No you can't
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