Ask Ubuntu General Room

Jorge Castro

20:03

hi @StefanoPalazzo!

@StefanoPalazzo got any nice queries for me to go through?

I am taking a break from packing

Stefano Palazzo

hi @Jorge :)

nope, nothing new at the moment.

there doesn't seem to be too much excitement around it somehow

Jorge Castro

well

we did get a bunch of work done

Stefano Palazzo

when I get a break for a day, I'll implement this idea of digesting Data Explorer queries and then we can let the community solve the problem of coming up with good queries

Jorge Castro

woo, famous question today

hah, only here 2 days and emmet already nearly has 400 rep

Stefano Palazzo

he's crushed my question. awesome guy

Jorge Castro

20:12

I am surprised he was there

sladen was putting a bunch of effort into it

but I think emmet works more with customers and stuff

Stefano Palazzo

I hope he converts his account soon, otherwise the 400 rep will be gone when he clears his browser's cookies :)

Jorge Castro

what's wrong with his account?

Octavian Damiean

oh hello Jorge :)

Jorge Castro

hi octavian

Stefano Palazzo

It's an unregistered user, so his account is literally just a cookie

Jorge Castro

20:14

oh

well, he has an OID account

launchpad.net/~persia

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo I've got some new Python books! :)

Jorge Castro

I dunno if you can merge it with that

Octavian Damiean

amazon.com/Programming-Python-Mark-Lutz/dp/0596158106/…

AAAAANNNNDD

amazon.com/Python-Cookbook-Alex-Martelli/dp/0596007973/…

\o/ Python!

Stefano Palazzo

@Jorge I can't. This feature is also used to post anonymously, so the mods can't do anything special with these accounts

that's great @Octavian :D

I'm convinced your time will not be wasted

Octavian Damiean

When books and reading is involved time is never wasted. :)

Stefano Palazzo

20:18

both Paul Sladen and Emmet Hikory should have probably asserted their authority more clearly

allthough they might not be particular experts in what companies give money to the ubuntu project, so it's just as well I suppose

@OctavianDamiean yeah, I'm saying I think you might still be reading about python in 5 years :)

python does that to people, it sucks you in and then you forget how to write java. It's tricky like that :P

what we really need is some good heuristics to find bug reports disguised as questions. I see a ton of them in the last few weeks

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Q: Unity tray panel shows icon as split into two

I am running default Ubuntu Unity, never changed any theme. And this has happened by itself, first for a single icon, then for all. I tried rebooting thinking the ATI drivers might have gone nuts and reloading everything should work fine but it didn't. One thing to add is that when I open up ...

unity

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo I asked sladen to put his work stuff in his profile

@StefanoPalazzo if emmet creates an account you can merge it after right?

Stefano Palazzo

No I can't (90% sure)

Well, now that I think about it, I don't know how long the system takes to clean it up. So maybe I can

Jorge Castro

ok so basically

if someone ever just doesn't create an account they're screwed?

that can't be right

Stefano Palazzo

Well, if they create another account after that, I suppose I could merge them

The system may clean up the old one if it detects that they're the same guy though

if it doesn't, I could merge them - provided I'm sure that they're the same person

you can tell that doesn't happen often :)

Jorge Castro

20:33

should I send him a mail and CC you?

Stefano Palazzo

I'd love to have him on the site, so yeah :-)

I wish I could help to get everyone working at canonical excited about AU, they should all use the site. ;-)

5

Octavian Damiean

That'd be pretty cool yes.

htorque

no, they should all work on making oneiric better :P

Stefano Palazzo

heh

Octavian Damiean

lol

Jorge Castro

20:37

@StefanoPalazzo we've got a fair number now actually

htorque

really, don't hook full-time devs on AU :P

Jorge Castro

yeah for sure, heh

a bunch of them just vote often

I told them in the absence of time, voting is what they should be doing

Octavian Damiean

Whos the design team leader now?

Stefano Palazzo

In my case at least, when the rest of the community was out of ideas, two of them stepped in

Jorge Castro

@OctavianDamiean ivanka, but she's on extended holiday

Octavian Damiean

20:41

Oh so she will definitely return?

Jorge Castro

yeah

she just took like 4 months off to ride a motorcyle from alaska to the bottom of south america

she's gone a bit mad!

Octavian Damiean

An extended holiday is something good. :)

From the blog post I was afraid that she is not going to return.

Jorge Castro

I will be self documenting a bunch of stuff on AU soonish

Octavian Damiean

If you need my help with something, well you know how to reach me. :)

Stefano Palazzo

by the way @JorgeCastro, did you get a chance to look at the Ask Ubuntu Classroom thing yet? It'd be pretty awesome if you could hold a session or two

I'm thinking, filing bugs, contributing code and so on

Jorge Castro

20:47

I have no time this cycle

I got assigned to Ensemble and I'm basically doomed

Octavian Damiean

Oh

Jorge Castro

wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom

you should talk to these people to get more help though

and try not to clash with ubuntu developer week, etc.

Stefano Palazzo

I'll try to do that!

Ultimately, in the back of my mind the AU classroom is to replace the Ubuntu classroom some day, tbh :)

Jorge Castro

heh

I doubt we'd ever not use IRC. :(

htorque

think big - why not? :)

Octavian Damiean

20:51

Would make sense though.

Jorge Castro

no reason it can't be the same content, different medium thoughy

Oli

lernid is better for classroom settings than SE Chat, IMO

Stefano Palazzo

that's true. if we can get two people to moderate, we can just relay sessions here using a bot

Jorge Castro

yeah but lernid only got good the past few weeks

if you want to do a class you have to use a PPA, etc.

imo web-based is the way to go

Octavian Damiean

@Oli Better yet victory chat!

Stefano Palazzo

20:52

hah

Oli

@JorgeCastro lernid has always been pretty good - better than a raw IRC client

Jorge Castro

hmm, do we have a question for turning random .py scripts into upstart jobs?

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean not any time soon ;-)

Jorge Castro

I need 2 scripts to run at boot

Stefano Palazzo

we have one,

19

Q: How to run scripts on start up of ubuntu?

I was wondering how to run scripts when my computer starts up. So I dont have to run scripts manually that I always run. Please and thank you.

scripts startup automation

Oli

20:54

look at the cookbook. You'd want the exec line to be: su -c '/usr/bin/python /path/to/script jorge'

Stefano Palazzo

but it's not very canonical and not very specific.

Jorge Castro

the upstart cookbook you mean?

ah, I had forgotten

Oli

aye

Upstart needs per-user settings if it's going to survive.

Stefano Palazzo

turned a closed question into a bug report → win

(and, a user into a contributor \o/)

Oli

@htorque I don't know... I think it would be good once if the devs took seriously the most common (read: repeated) issues. I realise most of them are solid (and filed) bugs but there are too many graphics/compiz/unity and wireless driver issues still hitting users that can (and should) be handled more automatically.

Jorge Castro

20:59

man, my xbmc setup is totally horrible

I had power go out

and now I am realizing I have a bunch of manual steps to reset it up

I never bothered to make it survive a reboot

/me hands in his sysadmin card.

Roland Taylor

21:14

@JorgeCastro wb

The Evil Phoenix

21:39

@StefanoPalazzo greetings? :P

Charlie

Use a PPA with a Password while still using Apt-cacher-ng? http://bit.ly/lwmDHN #ppa

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on July 4, 2011 at 9:26 PM

The Evil Phoenix

SHUT UP YA STUPID FEED!

htorque

good night all

FlackBot

@htorque Goodbye!

The Evil Phoenix

see ya

@Lekensteyn is your script cross-OS compatible?

Lekensteyn

21:55

@TheEvilPhoenix: yes it is. It uses Javascript

The Evil Phoenix

@Lekensteyn and what about compatible sound formats? .WAV, .MP3, etc.?

@Lekensteyn and also, what about installation?

ah, there it is, .MP3 only

opens up a media type converter to convert some .WAV sounds into .mp3

Alvar

22:22

hi all :D

FlackBot

@Alvar Hey, nice to see you!

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar your move

Alvar

@TheEvilPhoenix I know... thinking....

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar and this is how i generate the PGN notation and also the diagram images: apronus.com/chess/wbeditor.php

Alvar

@TheEvilPhoenix very good

The Evil Phoenix

22:25

yep

you can just plug in the entire notation that i keep attaching to the emails and it'll generate the board based on the notation :P

and you can even make a move and generate the new PGN :P

Alvar

is this correct? apronus.com/chess/…

Gigili

@StefanoPalazzo Noch da?

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar yep that matches the board i have

Alvar

let's see...

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar plug this into the area where the "Absorb notation" button is :P
#) WHITE BLACK
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. Nc3 Bg4
4. Bb5 c6
5. Bc4

Alvar

22:28

@TheEvilPhoenix 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bg4 4. Bb5 c6 5. Bc4 Bxf3

Jez

Hello. Does anyone in here also use Debian?

Alvar

@Jez no sorry....

The Evil Phoenix

@Jez not really, but we'll try and help out where possible

Jez

well maybe you'd like to follow my Debian proposal :-)

Debian isn't identical to ubuntu, after all

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. Nc3 Bg4
4. Bb5 c6
5. Bc4 Bxf3
6. Qxf3

Alvar

22:30

@TheEvilPhoenix 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bg4 4. Bb5 c6 5. Bc4 Bxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. Nc3 Bg4
4. Bb5+ c6
5. Bc4 Bxf3
6. Qxf3 Qf6
7. Bxf7+

btw i'm emailin you this one

Alvar

@TheEvilPhoenix good..

The Evil Phoenix

and this way we can actually standardize the notation and visualize it too :P

Alvar

@TheEvilPhoenix yeah...

Roland Taylor

@Jez what's the proposal?

Jez

22:35

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Debian

Proposed Q&A site for debian users and developers.

Currently in definition.

@RolandTaylor up there

Roland Taylor

oh I see

follows

Jez

cheers

The Evil Phoenix

doesnt Unix & Linux already own the Debian area?

Jez

@TheEvilPhoenix seems a bit overreaching. there's a bunch of stuff specific to debian.

Roland Taylor

It would actually be wonderful if the major distros have SE sites

Jez

22:37

and there's an Ubuntu site, isn't there?

Roland Taylor

like a fedora one, a pclinuxos one

Jez

@RolandTaylor and do you have any ideas as to how to get the Debian proposal off the ground? how for example did this Ubuntu proposal take off?

The Evil Phoenix

@Jez following

Jez

@TheEvilPhoenix cool

The Evil Phoenix

@Jez populate it with a ton of good quality questions and answers

Jez

22:38

well i've submitted my 5.

i encourage you to do the same :-)

The Evil Phoenix

i've been through a proposal that failed (but it got to closed beta)

Jez

take some inspiration from ask.debian.net :-P

Roland Taylor

@Jez I wasn't around when AU got started, but I could help you promote the debian proposal :D

Jez

@TheEvilPhoenix which one was that?

@RolandTaylor cool, how?

The Evil Phoenix

@Jez HowThingsWork

Roland Taylor

22:39

@Jez facebook, twitter, forums, blogs...

Jez

@RolandTaylor cool, go for it

@TheEvilPhoenix Ah I think i remember that one.

@TheEvilPhoenix not enough questions?

Alvar

eamiled....

The Evil Phoenix

nope, not enough quality answers... closed because of a ton of external links for answers

@Alvar one sec

Alvar

@TheEvilPhoenix 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Bg4 4. Bb5+ c6 5. Bc4 Bxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. Bxf7+ Kxf7

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar sent to ya

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. Nc3 Bg4
4. Bb5+ c6
5. Bc4 Bxf3
6. Qxf3 Qf6
7. Bxf7+ Kxf7
8. Qd3

Roland Taylor

22:43

I am actually thinking of trying out Debian/Fedora/etc

I want to make some partitions on my hard drive and go for it.

Jez

I used to use Ubuntu.

TheX

I use to use...

Mandriva

Roland Taylor

:O

crickets

TheX

Or maybe it was Mandrake back then... I don't remember

Jez

i got sick of software not working, and the answer usually being "get them to fix it in Debian and it will make its way to Ubuntu". I decided to go straight to the source and switched to Debian maybe a year ago now, before they switched Ubuntu to Unity.

Roland Taylor

22:44

(I actually wanted to try Mandriva a few years ago, but didn't have my own laptop)

Jez

I haven't looked back and am pretty glad I have my Debian box here. :-)

The Evil Phoenix

shoots @TheX with rapid-fire Windows ME discs

Jez

Debian also has a fantastic community, and this Q&A site would be the icing on the cake

Roland Taylor

damn... that's cruel

heartless even!

TheX

falls over dead

Alvar

22:45

@TheEvilPhoenix answered...

The Evil Phoenix

@Roland which, my attacking @TheX with rapid-fire Windows ME? xD

Roland Taylor

@Jez really?

@TheEvilPhoenix lol yes!

That's pure evil D:

Jez

I think the general order for computer users of increasing aptitude is Windows -> Ubuntu -> Debian :-)

Roland Taylor

last time I used Windows ME I was...

Jez

@RolandTaylor yup that's the truth

Roland Taylor

22:45

wait...

Jez

you've heard the saying?

Roland Taylor

did I ever use windows ME?

Jez

Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning, "I can't configure Debian."

The Evil Phoenix

@RolandTaylor did you ever notice my name? :P

Roland Taylor

@Jez What I've heard (though I don't take it as true) is that "Ubuntu is a word that means "I'm too stupid to net-install Debian""

The Evil Phoenix

22:46

lol @Jez

Jez

haha actually even my installation of Debian was great fun.

Roland Taylor

(In reality, I'm too busy...)

Jez

First, I hard to find out on IRC that my Intel CPU needed the amd64 distro.

nice naming.

then i got a version I could boot from my USB stick

TheX

I want google+ :(

Roland Taylor

...

um...

Jez

22:47

for some reason the text-based installer was really dodgy with my screen but I persisted and it downloaded Lenny.

Roland Taylor

Jez...

O_+

-_+

Jez

then the graphics didn't work. After a while on IRC i realized that I needed squeeze to have the right graphics drivers (at the time, squeeze was testing)

so instead of redownloading everything I used aptitude to upgrade to squeeze

then it worked!

a really cool introduction to how flexible the apt system is

you can use a semi-working text interface to upgrade the system to a fully-working OS

Roland Taylor

eh...

Jez

well it had networking and text

Roland Taylor

I'd rather just install a fully working OS...

Jez

22:49

and not a lot else

The Evil Phoenix

@Alvar move headed your way

Roland Taylor

then just rip out what I don't want

Jez

@RolandTaylor well there was something cool about getting a bare-bones debian system and upgrading it to a fully working one

Roland Taylor

when I have time for games like that, then I can go with "text based installer with nothing but super cow powers"

Jez

like nurturing a sick pet back to life. i guess you had to be there.

Roland Taylor

22:50

@Jez I did that with Ubuntu minimal a few years ago - was fun, but a lot of work

Jez

i guess it's some work, but it's also very useful to learn about apt

Roland Taylor

for a person who has to provide tech support for others, that won't be a wise choice (having a dead system for a few days)

Jez

and i have to say, now I know the Debian release model (i'm on squeeze stable for the forseeable future), i have to wonder why on earth you'd bother with Ubuntu's irritating releases

oh, and I have my window minimize/restore/close in the top-right. :-P

do you get used to Unity quickly?

looking at screenies, i can't imagine myself liking it ever

Roland Taylor

-_-

you know...

you sound like me talking about gnome-shell

tolerates the hatorade cocktail party

Jez

I don't get it

did you hate gnome-shell?

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