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Seth

00:25

Is this a little too hot? meta.askubuntu.com/posts/7464/revisions

Mateo

00:38

sounds about right.

Braiam

00:49

second

Mateo

01:03

too much kindness?:

I have kindly presented you with a down-vote, have a nice day. — Mateo 1 min ago

Braiam

absolutely!!!!

@Mateo sir... you are a GENIOUS!

can someone star this?

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A: EOL Question Handling Discussion... again

"Running fine" is hard to swallow given everybody who asks a question has a problem. We should close EOL questions because as a community of both Ubuntu users and internet denizens, we should want people to stop using unsupported software. Many years ago I... Well let's just say I had more than...

Mateo

that reminded me of this productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/nAaFWiOz2iw

last reply was in 2012

Braiam

01:31

anyone is seeing this?

Mateo

yeah, same here

just meta.

looks like it is integrated into the site? do you think they are rolling out a change?

user320

meta is the test site.

I think if there are enough people to counter it they will abort

Braiam

01:49

no, that's not the first time

Mateo

oh man, did you see the steam machine specs?

user320

let me guess, they are bad

Mateo

"The 300 prototype units will ship with the following components:
GPU: some units with NVidia Titan, some GTX780, some GTX760, and some GTX660
CPU: some boxes with Intel i7-4770, some i5-4570, and some i3
RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600 (CPU), 3GB GDDR5 (GPU)
Storage: 1TB/8GB Hybrid SSHD
Power Supply: Internal 450w 80Plus Gold
Dimensions: approx. 12 x 12.4 x 2.9 in high "

user320

not bad actually

Journeyman Geek

actually, pretty impressive

user320

01:58

is there a price tag on it yet?

Journeyman Geek

I find it interesting they standardised on 16 gb of ram

Mateo

probably add a couple hundred too the parts list, controller case proffit

Journeyman Geek

@Mateo: but they are likely to get better prices on hardware

bulk + this is a bit of a marquee project

Mateo

but: check this - "Apart from the custom enclosure, anyone can go and build exactly the same machine by shopping for components and assembling it themselves. And we expect that at least a few people will do just that. (We'll also share the source CAD files for our enclosure, in case people want to replicate it as well.) "

Journeyman Geek

ooh

so, open sourced the way the backblaze box is!

user320

02:00

pretty cool

Journeyman Geek

I'd guess for that size it has custom cooling

and probably a riser for the graphics card

Mateo

so here is the link steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse#announcements/detail/…

@JourneymanGeek hm, yeah - don't you want ddr3 in triples?

Journeyman Geek

@Mateo: er.. no

the mainstream processors are all dual channel

but the "baseline" for gaming just hit 8gb, cause thats what the next gen consoles have

and 16gb is... quite a lot unless you're a poweruser

Mateo

hm mabe quad channel for the highest end one

or use extra memory as a ram dirve, load the whole games in ram!

user320

02:18

Steam OS is linux based

I wonder which one..

@Nathan are you going to host again tomorrow?

Nathan Osman

Probably not.

Mateo

can it host and play at the same time?

canonical and steam need to get together and put the u4a type stuff on a "Steam Phone"

Nathan Osman

I was playing on the same machine I was hosting on.

Mateo

@NathanOsman is it simple to setup?

user320

yes

Nathan Osman

02:30

Almost automatic.

user320

Do you need to open a port?

Nathan Osman

Just enter your name and make sure incomming connections aren't blocked on your router.

@user320 Yes.

Unless your computer has a public IP address.

Mateo

hm, I might try it tomorrow if i'm not busy

user320

Its a holiday, at least in the US it is

Nathan Osman

It is?

I thought it was Canadian Thanksgiving.

The US celebrates it next month.

user320

02:35

its columbus day

Mateo

celebrating discovery of islands near us that we thought was India day!

Nathan Osman

Ah, okay.

:)

user320

pretty much

Seth

03:14

@Braiam That's been happening since... well.. forever?

BTW, I can't for the life of me get my pro forma comment script working again.

Braiam

@Seth aren't ya just a unlucky guy :P

Seth

@Braiam lol.

I just can't get it to work. At all.

Braiam

your session definitevely has a problem...

Seth

Something is certainly wrong.

Seth

03:31

AHHH. crash is back again >.<

Someone wanna make a meta post about blacklisting it?

It's popped up 3 times in the last week or two.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

04:02

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Q: How do I execute a command on login for a system user with no home folder and no personal .bashrc file?

I set these users' home folders through the /etc/passwd file, but when they log in I would like them to activate a python virtualenv. If they had a personal .bashrc file, I'd just include the activate command there, and the directory change as a post-activate hook with virtualenv. However these...

Nathan Osman

04:31

So here is the summary of our game:

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A: Anyone interested in a regularly scheduled, multiplayer game of 0 A.D.?

Summary of Oct. 13, 2013 Game I thought I ought to write a brief summary of what happened with our scheduled game. Five users (including myself) showed up: Me and my brother Mateo user320 John One team consisted of two players and two AI bots and the other team consisted of three players and...

I'm tag cleaning in case someone looks at the home page.

user170867

04:56

How do I install specific video codecs on Ubuntu? I'm not talking about the "every codec you ever need" pack, because my codec is not in there. I have it, it's scls.dll, and is for the screen capture lossless codec, but I don't know where to put it so either VLC or my Videos program finds it. I've tried installing it through WINE, as it is a codec that works in Windows, but I've had no such luck.

Nathan Osman

05:35

^-- Just to give you an idea of what we did all day :P

Braiam

@NathanOsman horses are normally weak against spearbearers and archers are weak against javelines

so you just know

Nathan Osman

I just randomly grabbed some guys and shot a video of them fighting.

Journeyman Geek

@user170867: wine is an environment on its own, so I'm guessing unless its a windows program, it won't see it

A.r. Naresh

hello anyone there

i want help on python

Igor Zinov'yev

07:47

Hello, people! Does someone know why in Saucy the ubuntu-desktop package no longer has any dependencies? I kinda wanted to do a full reinstallation, but found out that purging it doesn't do a thing

Takkat

its only a meta package - its expected that purging will not remove anything.

Igor Zinov'yev

Yes, I am aware of that, but earlier (around a year back or so, can't remember exactly) when I tried removing it it resulted in a lot of automatically installed packages becoming not required and ready to be removed with autoremove

Oh, wait, I'm wrong.
`apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop` shows its dependencies

Takkat

the only time I played with a desktop meta package was when I wanted to try out KDE on one of my boxes. It installed a lot which I was almost unable to purge again. Now I am getting all the KDE security updates still.

Igor Zinov'yev

08:06

Yeah, I have the same troubles with an XFCE desktop on my laptop :)

Takkat

08:29

I came to the conclusion that it is much better to decide on which DE to use before installation, and then leave it like it is.

Mahesh

08:50

@Takkat yup that.

multiple DEs make a mess for reasons I dont know yet.

Journeyman Geek

cause they're meta packages

and you install more stuff than you need - I'd take a look at psycocat's guides on what packages to remove

Takkat

<-- so much likes Unity that he does not miss any other DE

Mahesh

09:23

me too.

and that means I'm tied to ubuntu.

Arch is an option I'm seriously considering. I like rolling releases.

Journeyman Geek

I'm not fond of the chroot install method

else I'd consider arch or gentoo quite seriously

Takkat

Arch is great for people who like to build a world with Lego bricks. I preferer traveling to 5 star Unity Resort and Spa

All inclusive

Mahesh

ubuntu is either unstable or out of date for me.

lots of ppas to add..

Takkat

09:40

yeah - I realize that on my LTS box. More and more ppas indicate an imminent distribution upgrade -> April 2014 :)

(maybe earlier...)

Amith KK

09:55

Any improvements/suggestions are welcome :)

Takkat

@AmithKK move your left eye out of the circles? It seems to bulge a bit...

Amith KK

Ah

Takkat

and also darkening/fading your black hair more to melt with the background may be better.

Amith KK

Yeah, I cut it out on PS :P

fossfreedom

@AmithKK disembodied piccy ... scary

Amith KK

10:05

XD

Takkat

Y U USE PS?

Amith KK

@Takkat Cuz I needed to boot back to ubuntu to use GIMP :P

@fossfreedom How do I make it not so?

fossfreedom

@AmithKK dunno ... but was thinking of using the picture to scare the trick'n'treaters for halloween :P

Amith KK

Is it so bad ;)

Takkat

Its not - but you asked for suggestions.

Amith KK

10:08

Actually.. I could give you a video with my head moving around

Have some 80" TV

Then there won't be a treat in trick or treat

Takkat

oh - another Yearling badge :)

is it my AU birthday today? Unbelieveable.

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fossfreedom

10:25

@Takkat congrats :)

Takkat

still in my toddler years.

fossfreedom

sure ... next year you'll graduate out of nappies :P

Mahesh

Too. Much. Blue.

Takkat

Now I can do this:
- Ability to be independent to primary care giver.
- Anticipates routines.
- Knows boys from girls.

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Ask Ubuntu Meta

11:15

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Q: Easier way to see your suggested edits?

Is there an easier way to see your suggested edits, specifically those which are rejected? You get a '+2' reputation notification for approved edits but you're not notified when an edit is declined (which is probably more important). I ask this because I noticed that the decline option has seve...

feature-request editing review suggested-edits

Ask Ubuntu Meta

11:39

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Q: Correct term for 'LiveCD'?

Which way of referring to Ubuntu bootable media (i.e. written from the .iso to a device) is best? Live CD The traditional (generally used), but users have asked whether a 'CD' is required. Live USB Newer (more modern and realistic), but also has a similar issue to above (asking if they can...

discussion

0

Q: is there a inline editor option available?

When am editing a large Q or A, I find it to be extremely annoying to edit something, and then have to browse/find that edit. Q: Is there a inline editor option available for the 'stack exchange editor'?

discussion feature-request

0

Q: 'livedvd' should be a synonym for 'live-cd'

livedvd: a CD or DVD containing a bootable computer operating system. live-cd: Questions related to live CDs, which allow you to test drive Ubuntu without installing it. I'd suggest to have those two become synonyms.

feature-request tags tag-synonyms

Crake

13:33

I hate ubuntu, omfg

seriously, I hate this!

I had this error

askubuntu.com/questions/15433/…

and so I tried the most upvoted question

and now (i was/am trying to install texlive) it says: "Unable to locate package texlive"

Any ideas?

jokerdino

14:27

@Crake try sudo apt-get update

John

@NathanOsman How do we go about fixing 0 A.D for next time?

Mahesh

@Crake is the issue resolved?

Anwar Shah

14:51

Good evening

@NathanOsman what's your opinion on the answer?

should i give him that 50?

Braiam

@AnwarShah as unbelievably that it seems like, that question I delete the links and I get nothing...

Anwar Shah

hmm... i still have some 22 hours.

Mateo

that is better than a lot of the other answers, but is missing all the "Ubuntu touch" stuff, so a good start

Anwar Shah

and i haven't decided yet

Braiam

maybe keeping the answer around so people might took off from there

Mahesh

14:58

Good attempt, but is far from an answer to that question.

Anwar Shah

@Mahesh i was thinking so.

Braiam

when you see large answers, just remove the links and see if still answers the question

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Mateo

yeah, it just says "install cyanogenmod"

then you need to show how to extract drivers, mash those into Ubuntu Touch, all the manual stuff, installing stuff on a computer, hooking up with usb, and a big statment - this probably will not work on all devices

Ask Ubuntu Meta

2

Q: I have registered but can't sign in

I have registered and logged in previously (a couple of days ago). My password no longer works, and the reset code that gets sent to me (I've tried three or four times) does not work. Any ideas?

discussion login

Anwar Shah

I think, it was a bad decision from me. ;)

Mateo

15:08

maybe with the release of v1 we will get some extra interest

Anwar Shah

Can anyone suggest a bountiable question?

Braiam

I like this guy askubuntu.com/q/358664/169736

Mateo

Touch is getting awesome! I think they switched over to mir, they are getting the update system in place (almost ~), Music now works on my Nexus 7! Was using it a lot yesterday, that I tried to swipe left and right on a program on android.

Braiam

@Mateo how you update the Ubuntu Touch image?

if you update it....

Anwar Shah

Can i get it in an Xperia phone? @Mateo

Mateo

15:16

right now - reflashing, they just put in the update thing - dosn't work on mine (so sudo apt-get update and " " upgrade (but that messes with the internal partition if on multi-boot, so I just reflash)

Braiam

@Mateo can you answer this askubuntu.com/q/358741/169736 ?

Mateo

@AnwarShah maybe? there are some in the list

@Braiam yes, it is a bug, and in development.

oh, and the comment answers that they are using the updates to push complete images instead of incremental updates.

Braiam

my point exactly

everyone that tries to upgrade will mess their system :(

Mateo

yeah just did it twice yesterday, had to do recovery mode. I don't think the normal instructions have you install a recovery mode... they have you do a backup that needs adb...

Anwar Shah

15:33

good night.

Braiam

al' hail rain, that robs thy internets :(

Thomas W.

15:49

So, is this going to be heavily downvoted because they say that they should use Mint, when Ubuntu correctly installed usually works fine? askubuntu.com/a/358712/10616

Mateo

Looks like that one is deleted

Thomas W.

Eheh, probably since my comment and the second downvote...

well, at least I get the one rep i lost back :P

Mateo

ah, no google - not unless you pay me

Thomas W.

@Mateo I'll give you a single zimbabwe dollar.

Mateo

hmmm, gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/…

Seth

16:03

Happy birthday @Takkat :D

Mateo

mine was already unchecked, so more of an opt-in

Seth

dupe: askubuntu.com/questions/358996/…

i knew it! but in 13.10 there's nothing into the nautilus*.desktop files — Lucas 1 min ago

O_o

Mateo

did they make a script to update the "bookmarked" folders?

Seth

16:20

I'll have to check later.

Nathan Osman

16:38

@AnwarShah: It's a little brief but probably correct.

Anwar Shah

@NathanOsman should i then ... ?

Nathan Osman

It's up to you.

I'm okay either way.

Anwar Shah

thanks

Seth

Why does $PNAME= $(ps -p $PPID -o comm=) return =: command not found in bash? The command works just fine if I type it directly..

Nathan Osman

You need to remove the $ from the beginning.

When assigning to variables in Bash, you don't use a $ in front of the variable.

Mateo

16:48

$ is for using them right?

Braiam

grr... you beat it to me...

Nathan Osman

Correct.

Seth

Ahh. silly me. Let me see if that works.

Yes that fixes it.

Oh i'm stupid.

Nathan Osman

A problem I will never have :P

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Braiam

you already recieve spam :P

Nathan Osman

17:04

Exactly. I never obfuscate my email address anywhere anyway.

jokerdino

If you sign Ubuntu packages with your email, you get free weight loss programmes.

Nathan Osman

I sign every commit of every project I've worked on with my email :P

Braiam

O_o

I think I got spam when I first suscribed to a poor maintained forum... didn't noticed that the darn preferences set that your email is world visible :(

@jokerdino you have experience while submitting patches to LP, right?

jokerdino

@Braiam I think so

Braiam

I want to patch langpack-locales, should I clone the bazaar repo, then apply my patch, then submit my patch, or I'm doing something wrong?

jokerdino

17:10

you can prepare a .patch file and attach it to the lp bug.

or you can clone bzr repo, make changes, push it to your ~username bzr repo and request for a merge

Braiam

mm... no need to get the whole sources?

ok, I think I will submit it upstream to debian... seems more easy :(

jokerdino

yes. better submit to upstream.

debian is not upstream enough

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Braiam

yeah, glib....

Mateo

It's not too bad, but some groups have specific ways of including patches

Nathan Osman

@jokerdino That's the best route, I find.

jokerdino

17:15

I got more used to git. So, no more bzr for me.

Anyone tried Ghost yet?

Nathan Osman

Heh - I've just moved NitroShare to GitHub :P

Mateo

the whole thing?

nice.

@jokerdino the backup program?

jokerdino

@Mateo the blogging platform

ghost.org

Braiam

grr... cloning glibc....

Mateo

aw, what's this about google doing "did you mean retroshare" when I serach "nitroshare"

Braiam

17:25

> Receiving objects: 34% (124363/364146), 52.92 MiB

so glibc is 150MiB

Nathan Osman

@Mateo Not the whole thing yet - I've got the four shared libraries and the app itself registered there. I just haven't moved all of the code yet.

InkBlend

17:48

@Braiam My goodness, 150 MiB.

I sure hope that the binaries are significantly smaller than that...

Nathan Osman

What binaries?

searchfgold6789

Virus? askubuntu.com/questions/359036/what-is-hogging-my-connection

InkBlend

Sorry, glibc is a library. What would you call the resulting compiled files, then?

Nathan Osman

The .so files would be referred to as "shared libraries".

...and the .a files would be referred to as "static archives" IIRC.

InkBlend

So, is glibc compiled into a static or dynamic library?

Or both?

Nathan Osman

17:52

Usually it's better to compile as a shared library.

InkBlend

@NathanOsman Oh, so you have an option. Sweet!

Nathan Osman

Using static archives is generally discouraged on Linux.

InkBlend

Why? Just curious (as always).

Nathan Osman

Because then the binary must be recompiled to use a newer version of the library.

InkBlend

Ah.

So, if I ever write a library, should I always compile it to be a shared object file?

Mateo

17:54

@searchfgold6789 "dropbox"?

Nathan Osman

@InkBlend Always make sure that's an option (if not the default option).

InkBlend

Got it. ".so" by default.

Mateo

@searchfgold6789 the one ip is owned by google, another by cloudflare, and another by AERO2 a polish internet provider

InkBlend

Oh, by chance, would you happen to know the "right way" to make a signature of the hash of a message?

Does one typically use MD5 or SHA1/2?

Do you pipe the result of "md5sum" or whatever into a file which you then sign, or do you cut out the hash itself and use that?

Nathan Osman

Either MD5 or SHA-1 would work. Those are the two most common hashing algorithms.

Although for important files, I sign them with GPG.

searchfgold6789

18:02

@Mateo Downloading European sausages as far as I can tell... :s

Nathan Osman

Er... oops. Just realized that I forgot to deploy a spam filter on my new email server.

InkBlend

@NathanOsman I thought that you were never supposed to sign the message itself, only the hash?

Nathan Osman

I've never heard of that before. Though to be honest, I don't have much experience in that field.

InkBlend

@NathanOsman I could be wrong. I should probably try to find out where I "learned" that...

Anyway, thanks!

guntbert

18:59

Opinions please

0

A: How to stop using built-in home directory encryption?

I have the same problem. I encripted, but that encryption method duplicate the use of space in disk (now 2Gb without a extensive use of disk space), so this is not useful for me. I have other users created without ecryptfs, but this is a challenge for me without delete whole user. So, now we kn...

is that really an answer?

Mateo

19:21

so I'm trying to host a 0ad game, I have the window open, I think it should work - anyone want to try?

this is the server address 99.92.76.171

Mateo

19:37

well I'll leave it open for about 30 min from now

Nathan Osman

@Mateo I can't connect.

Mateo

hm

what about now

or do i need the port open on ubuntu as well as the router

I think I have the router set

Nathan Osman

You don't have a firewall installed, do you?

I still can't connect.

Braiam

@guntbert nope

yuppi! 227 rep today :D

guntbert

19:53

@Braiam :-)

I was doubting my interpretation because Radu had edited it ...

Braiam

yeah, that seems like he's making some progress but not a definitive answer.

Mateo

@NathanOsman ok, try again, I think i had ufw for trying out nitroshare firewall problems...

Braiam

oh lord, I didn't had build essentials installed...

can a mod merge this askubuntu.com/q/359080/169736?

Nathan Osman

@Mateo: Success!

Mateo

woo!

Braiam

20:03

I bet that with hamachi that... don't happen :P

Mateo

so, i upped the speed for a faster game, anyone else is welcome to join

I'll start in a few min.

Nathan Osman

Well, actually, I don't think I can play the game.

I really have a lot of work to do today.

Mateo

ok, that's cool, I know I can set it up now

Braiam

20:20

lol, I got 7 vote close then got into the FP review queue and they disappeared :(

Seth

20:42

LOL

Braiam

I'm sure there is a dupe about this askubuntu.com/q/356772/169736

Seth

I dunno.. That's pretty old..

Braiam

@Seth what? only 3 days ago....

Seth

>.<

I read the date wrong.

BTW, by date time indicator disappeared today.

Braiam

that's a bug... another guy had the same problem

Seth

20:49

That's what I was talking about lol.

2 days ago, by Braiam

@Seth bug http://askubuntu.com/q/357266/169736 ?

Braiam

ahh.... I'm too old, memory starts to failz :S

Seth

How would I tell exactly what version of 13.10 I'm using?

i.e. 13.10.0+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1

Nathan Osman

What's the output of 'lsb_release -a'?

Seth

seth@johnson:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
Description:	Ubuntu 13.10
Release:	13.10
Codename:	saucy

Braiam

I think you need the kernel uname -a

Nathan Osman

21:01

That just gives the kernel version.

Seth

yeah

Braiam

kernel isn't the last to freeze?

Nathan Osman

Hmm... we might need to open a question for that.

Seth

OK...

Braiam

yeah, kernel freeze last wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule

Seth

21:04

btw, does this mention anything about it ever being implemented? bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/476739 I don't see anything.. (background: askubuntu.com/questions/359108/…)

@Braiam It still doesn't have that information.

Braiam

@Seth still wishlist, nothing seems to point to it

Seth

@Braiam Exactly.

-1

Q: Is Ubuntu legal to use in Mississippi

I have already tried looking at other questions, but my question is not answered. I was wondering if Ubuntu and all the Ubuntu upgrades was legal in Mississippi.

legal

O_O

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman - how did the 0AD game go?

Braiam

@Seth Mississippi the US, right?

Seth

@Braiam That's the only Mississippi I've ever heard of..

hbdgaf

21:09

@Braiam If he means what I think he means, it's free for non-commercial use with just about everything enabled. Pretty much everywhere in the US, you can't use restricted-extras (commercially) and be 100% on the right side of the law.

Braiam

ok, I think I got an cannonical answer

Seth

> The word Mississippi itself comes from Messipi, the French rendering of the Anishinaabe (Ojibwe or Algonquin) name for the river, Misi-ziibi (Great River).

Looks like the name is pretty original, i.e. not named after some other place (like New York)

Braiam

I think I fixed the question, it may be a XY problem but with this edit it could be savaged, no? askubuntu.com/q/359113/169736

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Linux Ubuntu Nautilus Renaming Bug when pressing 'n' key

I have what i can consider a Big Bug on Nautilus under Linux Ubuntu... When I am on proccess to rename a file or a folder... if i press 'n' on keyboard... Nautilus opens a new tab... The effect is: I can not include 'n' on any name of any file or folder... I must use one of this tricks to do i...

linux ubuntu rename nautilus

Nathan Osman

@hbdgaf Yesterday?

hbdgaf

21:15

@Braiam the only way i see it becoming clear is it turning in to a list question of common restricted packages, or a really general answer of you should be able to use everything all the time if you disable restricted ... although this doesn't cover countries where crypto is illegal

@NathanOsman yes

Nathan Osman

I posted an answer to the original question giving a summary.

Braiam

@hbdgaf that's what I was thinking, about telling that Ubuntu per sé isn't illegal but some components might be due some restrictions in specific countries

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman i see it now. well it was something i guess.

Nathan Osman

I guess.

hbdgaf

@Braiam bear in mind it could be trolling/rabblerousing about the south africa no linux thing.

Braiam

21:18

LOL

maybe I should ask myself a question being clear about the objetive

hbdgaf

21:29

@NathanOsman reading the logs I see you moved nitroshare to github. I'm liking the source tracking autobuild recipe stuff. It seems like a lot of "should have" features aren't in the project tracking stuff yet. Still, it's better than nothing.

Braiam

spam alert askubuntu.com/a/356577/169736 check both answers, both points to the same link

I say let's kill the question

or just the answers?

hbdgaf

is there not a playonlinux recipe for it?

Braiam

there should be

hbdgaf

and there is. no need for blog article spam.

Braiam

@Rinzwind o/

Nathan Osman

22:03

@hbdgaf I use Travis CI for integration testing.

hbdgaf

Not something I'm familiar with. I'll google it at some point. I'm plowing through django documentation and app documentation at the moment

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