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hbdgaf

00:49

I need to get better with django. I'm playing with templating at the moment. I think I'm realizing that there isn't a menu-system app because it's simpler to just specify it as an html template (it would be a root level partial in RoR)

Braiam

anyone can comment on the review queue?

no comments allowed in FP, late answers, close votes... ?

hbdgaf

Lost as in lost all respect.

anyway... it was just a funny to lighten someone's day

as to the star-wall...who argues with foss... i mean really. you're signing up for a massive beating.

okay...last chat message for a while unless i get poked. what's with this Zorin thing? I've started seeing references to it in a couple of places. There are too many forks and not enough people fixing problems instead of forking.

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Mateo

meh, they made it look like windows - nothing special: i.sstatic.net/PdzPf.png

Braiam

exactly... is the very same thing... just with the "windows" look.... but still off-topic...

maybe under the hood is the same, but still off-topic..

Mateo

well, its the name paths and what we don't know what they changed that makes is a problem

hbdgaf

01:05

if they'ld just release it as a package for xfce based desktops or whatever... but forking mint? i mean, that's what it sounds like they did. it makes my brain hurt.

Mateo

Anyway, just installed Ubuntu on a HP G62 laptop, and had no problems, everything worked out of box (had to click to install graphics - but it worked)

Braiam

I think that the lines are going to be thinner and thinner in the dev force that dedicates time to some Open source proyect... I mean, everyone is like "look mama, I made my own OS!"

hbdgaf

people don't understand that forking instead of fixing is perpetuating a problem. just fix it right. once. the closer you fix it to root distribution (in the case of ubuntu/mint/zwhatever debian) the better. just fix it and let it propagate. stop forking. it's stupid.

jrg

01:25

@Seth was it GSM?

Seth

02:35

@jrg Yeah I think so.

They had modified their only phone (the moto Atrix) to use Wifi whenever possible.

jrg

@Seth republic wireless i think

Seth

@jrg YES! That was it! Thanks :)

Yay, they're getting the Moto X.

Oh, it was the Motorola Defy.. Not the Atrix. No wonder my searches didn't work.

jrg

> MMS (texting pictures and videos) is not available yet on Republic

almost a deal breaker for me...

there we go

but I find it hard to not look at that savings and say "wow"

Seth

Yeah, it's pretty awesome, though hard to get sometimes (demand is high)

jrg

ok, i gave them my email for the motox

Seth

02:40

@jrg Is it? Luckily I don't think I've ever used MMS.

@jrg Same here XD

jrg

@Seth i could definitely do this though.

like, i'd have to move entirely to snapchat (not for sexting folks), and i'd have to do some other things as well

my behavior would change as to how I use my phone.

jamesrgifford.wistia.com/medias/x8nszukigm | ok so, thoughts on this hosting provider for video?

it's recorded in 720p

Seth

@jrg Wistia?

jrg

@Seth it's a provider I'm looking at giving large dollar signs to for a project.

I just need to explore their API some more.

Seth

@jrg What about stuff like Kik or Xms?

jrg

@Seth hm, possibly.

Seth

02:44

@jrg Hmm. Just for hosting video?

kik.com xms.me

jrg

@Seth Just for hosting video. So imagined that exact player embedded somewhere.

Seth

Wait.. Bandicam on Linux?

@jrg Player looks nice, though there out to be cheaper methods..

out doesn't look right there.

jrg

No, I have Windows 8 and that is a VM.

Seth

Ahh.

jrg

jrg@spaceshipone-vbox-ubuntu

;P

Seth

02:46

oh duh >.<

jrg

I am going to hold onto windows 8 because I need some of this software. I cannot do a Linux-only screencast, I tried for over a year.

now that I have an OS that lets me get some professional tools, i'm going to use it. once the time comes where linux has a good editor, I will come back. ;P

Seth

@jrg Odd.

jrg

but as long as I'm self-producing, i'm going to do this. ;p

Seth

@jrg Sure.. I guess. Software has always been the weak point in Linux.

Esp. video editing software.

jrg

yeah, novacut is getting there

but since jderose went to work for system76, he's slowed down development.

BUT, i can't blame him. he needs to eat.

the analytics dashboard aint bad.

i grayed out your location, and IP address.

(local * 2, IP * 1)

Seth

02:51

Oh wow.

jrg

AND

YOU ONLY WATCHED 87% OF THE VIDEO

HOW DARE YOU! ;P

Seth

So.. why not HTML 5 <video>? Not enough bandwidth for on your server?

jrg

if only for the insight that gives me, I might spend money for it. ;P

@Seth more like I really am not interested in dealing with that headache.

however, I am also considering doing it that way

Seth

@jrg lol.

@jrg It's actually not really that bad.

You just need .mp4 and .ogg or webm

jrg

@Seth conversion to webm, avi, mp4, ogg, and whatever the heck flash wants.

Braiam

02:54

or mp4, ogg, and webm :P

jrg

from a AVI

and then I need download links

and this to be in a RSS format

Seth

You just need 2: Mp4/Ogg or Mp4/Webm

jrg

No, I need all of them, trust me.

Seth

@jrg Why?

jrg

Mobile.

I need webm for chrome on all platforms

mp4 for macs and iDevices, and maybe android tablets, I need to do more research

ogg for linux

avi for the VLC lovers

and flash for flash

Seth

02:56

Hm.

AVI and Flash should just be dumped. I don't have time for people that must have those >.<

That's a lot of storage and bandwidth wasted.

Braiam

what mayor webbrowser/mobilebrowser doesn't have <video> support that has flash support?

Journeyman Geek

flash is a bit of a hack tho

jrg

basically, I need to support:
- all desktops with Firefox, chrome or IE8+.
- Tablets.
- Most phones.

Seth

@Braiam Really, mobile safari and mobile android should support mp4 and webm respectively.

jrg

and that means all the formats. :\

Seth

02:58

@jrg Well IE8 is another story.

I don't even try to support IE8 people.

jrg

for this project, it's not enough of a hassle to make it happen.

Braiam

HUH? IE without webm/h264 support? what the heck are they doing with all the money?

really is ticking me off that I can't comment in the review queue....

Seth

@Braiam IE 8 doesn't support any HTML 5 for the most part.

@Braiam +1

Journeyman Geek

Ie8 is also 2 versions behind the latest and greatest

Seth

IE 11 is being tested in 8.1 too.

XP is the only operating system that is stuck with IE 8.

Braiam

03:04

XP is dead! Long live to XP!

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@jrg around? please close this fast... askubuntu.com/q/352106/169736

the image is hosted at assets.augmentedskitsyt.site40.net which it's description is about skit, jokes etc...

Ask Ubuntu Meta

03:37

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Q: I can't comment in the Review Queue, you?

For a while I've been unable to be able to rant comment in the review queue... any review queue... well except the "suggested edit" queue... anyone is experiencing this issue? Ah, btw, reproducible in Chromium and Firefox.

Nathan Osman

I'm not having a fun time with my phone. Flashing a new firmware image is a real pain.

K.K Patel

06:19

Hello Friends I want ask that if I increase my swappiness from 60% to 90% to improve perfomance of system having 1 GB ram, will it affect to harddisk performance ?

Octavian Damiean

08:21

'ello

Takkat

Oh hi @OctavianDamiean - long time no see :)

Octavian Damiean

It might be the fact that it's morning or that I'm retarded but for the life of me, I can't figure out where the update-manager (aka, Software Updater) is tracking bugs. Does anyone know?

@Takkat Oh hello! :)

Still fighting absorbers?

Takkat

they are buggy absorbers - so its easy to fight them \o/

Octavian Damiean

Ah, alright.

I just noticed that the update-manager is doing something funny that it shouldn't do.

Well, not so funny.

If you hit install on updates but cancel the process before it even installs packages, it keeps the dpkg lock file locked.

Best part is that the USC silently fails when that happens.

I'm aware that this is an edge case but still.

Takkat

its not as it is supposed to be.

Here's where the bugs are: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager

Octavian Damiean

08:29

Cheers!

My LP-fu is not strong enough.

Takkat

All bugs from all old unsupported releases should go to a special archive like archaeology.launchpad.net

Octavian Damiean

cretaceous-period.launchpad.net

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Takkat

lol

Octavian Damiean

With an extra note. "Don't go there! There'll be dragon-sized bugs!!"

Takkat

Our most famous bugs: carefully maintained through all releases until today.

Octavian Damiean

08:48

Welp, back to fighting bugs.

Takkat

<-- back to fighting absorbers

mojo706

09:47

steamcommunity.com/id/mojo706

Alvar

10:37

ehm what is this? askubuntu.com/q/352234/10698

I thought it was spam at first....

Oli

11:23

@jrg Sorry I was scrolled all the way up but why is no MMS a deal breaker? Can't you just send that stuff by email/facebook-messenger/etc?

jrg

11:48

@Oli I have TextSecure.

It encrypts that stuff and then sends it out.

So I'm paranoid. Face it. :p

I haven't found a equally secure method elsewhere.

Oli

I understand wanting endpoint encryption, I don't understand maintaining to want to push it over a long-known hackable network. At least with traditional encryption-over-TCP/IP there's a chance your traffic doesn't get sniffed.

jrg

Short of the bittorrent chat, don't think it'll happen

Oli

What on earth do you mean? Encrypted messaging over the internet has existed for decades.

jrg

I have a number of requirements.

1. Encrypted.

2. Push notifications for the other party that receives it.

3. Uses the lowest common denominator for the cellular people. Which means the cell network, not data.

Not everyone has unlimited data, so this limits who I text.

So... wait! Because the gov shutdown, does that mean the XP > 7 upgrade is not going to happen?!!!

CRAP. That was about the only thing that I cared about.

Amith KK

13:16

@jrg Wut?

rajagenupula

ok Boss's try this

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Q: how to get quick expire of sudo auto password save?

we all know that in Ubuntu sudo password will be auto saved for 15 minutes and expires after that. But I want to make it for quick expire. I mean I dont want to change any settings and when I ever I want , My system should have to release the password with out storing for 15 min. I mean it should...

password sudo

@Oli ^^^ finally I am giving a complex task for you.

Little Child

Evening

can someone please help me with this: rfc2822.github.io/GfxTablet/#part-1-uinput-driver

@rajagenupula :)

rajagenupula

@LittleChild If you have any issues please post your question at AskUbuntu.com if its related to Ubuntu.

Little Child

Its is related to Ubuntu

Howwver, not fir for a question

Please have a look

Takkat

@rajagenupula if you do not want to change the timeout with visudo you can kill the login by sudo -k.

rajagenupula

13:25

ummm! actually I want to have temp expire time.

Little Child

@rajagenupula It is about installing a few software :)

rajagenupula

something like " sudo apt-get install <someappl> & Remember password only for 2 min and then expire " like that

Takkat

@rajagenupula that's defined in the sudo settings see e.g.: askubuntu.com/questions/106332/change-sudo-timeout-under-fish but you said yo dont want to change settings.

rajagenupula

@Takkat yes I want that temporarily . If i edit the file then again I need to edit the file and I dont want to do that everytime.

@Oli Think boss ...

@Oli @Takkat please look at my answer

Boss what do you say ?

Takkat

13:41

@rajagenupula you should edit your question to clarify what you really want. Don't say you want it expire quickly but e.g. say you want a custom expire time after each sudo command.

But then it is rather unclear to me why you would want that.

rajagenupula

@Takkat I did mentioned that , Temporary save time.

if its a public system then I am not going to with the PC all time . If someone took it before the auto password save he can do what ever he wants .

auto password expire ***

Takkat

That's why you should sudo -k after you are done. Safest method.

Braiam

sudo .... ; sudo -k is the best option....

rajagenupula

@Braiam thanks for joining brother

Takkat

Beaten only by not doing sudo at all ;)

rajagenupula

13:48

ok @Takkat agree with you but want it in a temp time duration

Takkat

That's fair enough :)

jrg

14:09

@AmithKK You have missed a lot of american stupidity the last few days.

Amith KK

I heard about websites shutting down

jokerdino

It's the fed government shutdown!

Rinzwind

14:48

Wisdom comes with time! Proof is in the pudding: ""Microsoft's onetime Chief Privacy Advisor, Caspar Bowden, has come out with a vote of no-confidence in the company's long-term privacy measures and ability or interest to secure user data in the wake of the NSA's PRISM program. " hothardware.com/News/…

He is using open source :D

Braiam

LOL

Little Child

15:49

Hey there @Mahesh

Mahesh

16:09

umm, Hi

Was checking out your profile. We didn't meet earlier, did we?

Little Child

16:28

@Mahesh No, I am new here.

K.K Patel

Hello Friends I want ask that if I increase my swappiness from 60% to 90% to improve perfomance of system having 1 GB ram, will it affect to harddisk performance ?

Amith KK

16:40

BBT

Good Night

Mahesh

@K.KPatel depends on the disk. The effect on performance may not be perceptible, but it adds to the I/O overhead, so disk life may be affected.

Seth

17:06

1

Q: Is it possible to install the Ubuntu SDK in Gentoo?

Is it possible to install the Ubuntu SDK and all the tools needed to develop apps for Ubuntu in another Linux distribution, lets say: Sabayon (a Gentoo derivative), or any other Linux distro that is not Ubuntu?

ubuntu-touch sdk

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Q: Ubuntu SDK on Debian

Is it possible to get the ubuntu sdk on debian? These PPA things look like links.. and definitely don't work on a debian system. Any thoughts on that? Or is this a crappy idea? I just want to play arround a little with ub.touch and maybe program some small apps for desktop or touch. (Probably ju...

debian phone ubuntu-sdk sdk touch

Thoughts?

Braiam

canonical question... and it's on topic!

like U1 is ontopic even installed on windows

Seth

@Braiam That's because U1 supports Windows.

It doesn't support Mint or Debian or Gentoo.

However, if there is an answer then by all means answer it ;)

Thomas W.

what the hell is an "Ubuntu SDK"?

last I checked there is no Ubuntu SDK, except for the phone, afaict they're just talking about PPAs, which are repositories which in theory can be added into Debian

jokerdino

17:21

that's what they want you to think

Braiam

> Join the phone and tablet revolution. Get started today with the Ubuntu SDK Preview and the App Design Guides.

^ here developer.ubuntu.com/get-started

Thomas W.

both of you need to read that edit there I just made on my statement ;)

Braiam

@ThomasW. you are too slow... :(

Seth

I don't think all the Qt 5 stuff will be that easy to just "install". Especially in Gentoo.

Braiam

or we are deadly fast

Seth

17:22

I nearly broke a test system trying to install them in 13.04.

@ThomasW. When Unity 8 comes out it'll be pretty much the same thing. They're working towards unification like Win 8 (in a sense).

The last message was posted 5 hours ago?

jokerdino

Time machine.

Mateo

@Braiam only because it is "supported" there... so offtopic for sdk on other dist, software center in mint, unity on fedora ect. unless the state they support it.

VRU

19:59

hi

VRU

20:13

hi friends ..... today I observed ..... when I right click on an .iso file --> open with-->

I don't see Disk Image Mounter there

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can any one help me out..

Gecko

21:21

Why does my ubuntu install freeze. I have a nvidia

is this a dangerous command?

 sudo fdisk -lu

Mateo

why the u?

that is to specify units right?

Gecko

I do not know what it does but is it safe to run it?

Mateo

@Gecko sure, it just lists out the disk partition information, I would just use sudo fdisk -l unless you need to specify a unit

like sudo fdisk -lu=cylinders

will show different unit under "units"

VRU

@Mateo Hi!

Mateo

@VRU Hi!

Gecko

21:30

alright thanks

VRU

@Mateo can you help me with Disk Image Mounter?

Mateo

hm, the mac tool?

@VRU what instructions are you following?

VRU

@Mateo nope, it should be a default tool in ubuntu.... for mounting ISO image.... which I can't find

Gecko

when i boot from lifecd where does the swap go?

VRU

@Mateo I am actually at this link: tutonics.com/2012/12/easily-install-microsoft-office-in.html trying to install MS Office and where I have to do mount.

Mateo

21:37

oh, I just uninstalled that... Disk Utility

hm, your right, it dosn't show in the list anymore...

@VRU try installing Furious iso mount:

@Gecko existing swap - or nothing if you don't have existing

7

Q: Prevent LiveCD using existing swap partition

I have an existing installation with a swap partition, and I want to boot a Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop LiveCD without using the swap partition. I want to avoid using the swap partition so that I can resize it and other partitions.

10.04 boot live-cd

VRU

@Mateo yeah I have actually installed but was just curious ... weather I can find the default one...

Mateo

@VRU didn't find it myself in 12.04 so they must be using a different version

VRU

@Mateo yeah... may be... any way thanks!

Mateo

@Gecko so basically if you want to mess with the partitions you need to turn the swap off on the existing partition on the harddisk, can be done in gparted, Rightclick menu I think.

Gecko

21:56

But if i have no linux on my other drives there would be no swap on ym computer right?

so you when you boot up you can type in commands. I need to type both 'swapoff' and 'nomodeset'. how do i do two of them?

hbdgaf

@Gecko Just boot in to rescue mode, and run swapoff...or do the same live if you don't have a root password.

also you might find this useful ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Disabling-swap-at-boot-td1436872.html

Mateo

22:25

@Gecko other drives? what are you doing that needs/dosn't need swap?

Gecko

i have 1 hdd 2 ssd

how do i turn of swap from the terminal

hbdgaf

sudo swapoff

that's how you're supposed to do it. if it doesn't work, file a bug

Gecko

does not seem very promising

hbdgaf

then don't do it and stop asking

Mateo

we should find a way to link a clapper to on/off terminal commands

double clap and it turns on your wifi

Seth

22:39

the wifi on your computer?

Mateo

laptop - could be configurable to other options, mute, swap, lock screen

Seth

Interesting idea.

hbdgaf

usb programmable keyboard dongle is imminently doable with arduino. the only people that want it are just too lazy to build/program it.

what do you think people would pay for it really? i mean, price of sale versus cost of time and hardware-wise

Mateo

I guess a hardware setup could work, but maybe this one could use the mic input

hbdgaf

so now instead of a button you want voice recognition. next you'll want it offline.

it's satirical sarcasm, not criticism

Seth

22:44

btw, have you seen the newer MS Surface commercial? youtube.com/watch?v=fasy89sTf_U

hbdgaf

i don't watch surface commercials unless they ridicule macs ;)

and yes, i've seen that one.

Mateo

didn't say it was a good idea, I just had the clapper song going through my head after saying "swapoff" in there

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hbdgaf

it is a good idea. it's just not financially viable. people wouldn't pay enough for it.

Seth

23:05

@hbdgaf no kidding ;)

Mateo

omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/control-totem-by-clapping-no-seriously

hbdgaf

the problem with that model is that you have to turn the mic on and off on time. like...graphics card/cpu utilization for unity. my laptop is on fire is not okay.

Mateo

yeah, constant use of mic is a no-go for a laptop

hbdgaf

the next logical question is "press a key to activate voice recognition" makes any sense? the answer is no

so, you're back to a hardware device.

Braiam

I think that everybody should be happy with a implanted chip on the brain that makes all one wants to

hbdgaf

23:17

wait, you can make me johnny?

Braiam

no, I will make you Lucy ;)

brb

hbdgaf

23:31

I'm glad you love lucy ;)

hbdgaf

23:42

current = ++mood

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