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2:51 AM

I mess with Ubuntu for a couple months have it do what I need it to server wise then simply return back to Windows/Mac for regular development stuff.

Is there a feasible way to essentially just download a .img file of an already working Ubuntu distribution?

Pretty much any default would work fine for me but i spend most of my time every couple months burning it to a thumb drive and then waiting for the installation to work/finish.

Videonauth

@William There are full working IMG available on the net, but if I where you I would refrain from using those, they are third party in almost all cases and you never know if and what kind of back-doors you install with them. There are ways to create your own custom installers and you should definitively look into this.

William

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Q: Hard Drive .img of Ubuntu

Is there a feasible way to essentially just download a .img file of an already working Ubuntu distribution that I can write directly to my hard drive? Pretty much any default would work fine for me but i spend most of my time every couple months burning it to a thumb drive and then waiting for t...

Thank you Videonauth

I had hoped there was an "official" .img already packaged

I am trying to avoid creating my own custom for exactly this reason

Videonauth

@William well when you create your own custom you actually can be very sure you only have what you want and no backdoors. Ubuntu as it is as default install is pretty secure.

William

ah yes I have near 100% faith in default ubuntu install

I just I am trying to save time on my end

maybe I can boot the iso in virtualbox and write it directly to a usb plugged in hard drive or something

Videonauth

well bymaking your own custom you spend the time only once, there are definetively ways to create an iso file which is a full installation,

William

3:06 AM

?

I'm not really sure if my question was clear

Videonauth

install it on a normal machine and you can even use build in tools to create an iso file which you could play onto other drives as image

all you need is a second drive where you can save it on

William

the default installation is fine

in fact the menu options are fine

its the time it takes to burn to thumb drive and then to a hard drive that is the issue

Videonauth

well you have that with windows as well

William

yes but I am running the same windows from literally 2010

packages and updates install fine

my ubuntu box is over here complaining

that hasn't been touched since almost then that the package updates are no longer available

Videonauth

you can use dd to create a full fledged image from an exisiting installation:

William

3:09 AM

yes hence why I am requesting a .img file

Videonauth

lets say you have your ubuntu instalaltion on drive sda and you have space on a drive sdb to have a full image of said drive sda

William

@Videonauth I'm pinging you because up until this point you have failed to provide any information that solves the issues I am having

Videonauth

`dd if=/dev/sda of=/targetdirectory/image.iso bs=1M

William

please stop

in fact everything you have told me I was aware of

you answer about custom installs I was aware of also

Videonauth

well then i shut up, no clue what youre really requesting

when you want it secure you need to do it yourself, I for myself would never use third party images

period.

William

3:12 AM

I agree with that unless the ubuntu foundation is releasing them

oh debian maybe

Videonauth

fact is neither canonical nor the debian tem can provide images of fully installed systems, it is simply not feasible, hence the installer cd/USB files

an install what would be good for you is maybe not good for someone else

William

go on why not?

password user be the same?

for all these systems?

Videonauth

example server, maybe i need nginx as server, and the image provides apache

same passwords as well (which is a secondary concern as you can change them easily)

William

the image would just create a bootable hard drive

Videonauth

maybe the install provides php mysql and i not need php at all and want mariaDB etc etc

William

3:17 AM

just force them to change user name and password at login

Videonauth

linux is so good because there always many many ways to achieve your goals which would make the amount of images to profide for evey use case almost infinite

William

just make it identical to the ubuntu.iso install

Videonauth

on top of that alone the kernel options to chose from

William

currently

it boots into a live cd

Videonauth

yes and what keeps you from making an iso on your own?

William

3:19 AM

time

Videonauth

thats the question i ask myself actually :)

William

right now despite having direct access to the hard drive using sata

I have to burn it to USB then install

there are 2 writes there we only 1 is really necessary

I have an idea of using virtualbox but I am not sure if it would work honestly

what ubuntu version has a proper windows xp like window manager?

Videonauth

I think i can't follow you on that question

William

I want a taskbar with window names at the bottom instead of a dock

Videonauth

try dash2dock it gives you plenty of customization options

William

3:23 AM

xubuntu looks decent

Videonauth

the default dock provided with ubuntu 18.04 onward is somewhat limited down

William

sudo apt install dash2dock ?

Videonauth

your on gnome desktop right now?

William

lol Windows 10 & Ubuntu 16

yes 16

Videonauth

gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock - dash-to-dock extension for GNOME shell

thats the package name

William

3:25 AM

how did you find this honestly?

Videonauth

┌─[05:23:57]─[michael@NEXUS-ONE]
└──> downloads $ apt-cache search dashtodock
gnome-shell-extension-dashtodock - dash-to-dock extension for GNOME shell

William

I don't want a dock though

I'll have to test out the package but I am guessing that its a dock configuration tool

linux mint is close

enough and xubuntu

can any distro have access to the ubuntu software center

Videonauth

they can but they are somehhow as well a bit different

here is how my three screen desktop looks like (as soon i full screen open something the dock is gone.

William

cool but i'll be honest

of everything apple has given us the dock is the worst of them

in my opinion

I'll send a picture of mine in a second maybe

Videonauth

i use the dock like i used the windows windows bar to be honest, just that i not have names anymore, only symbols of my most used programms, i had them pinned in windows too

William

3:33 AM

here is mine

I was going to post the xp photo but changed my mind

actually words and names at the bottom of the screen.

Videonauth

well im now using linux only since 2 yrs and 8 months but never ever would change back to windows :)

William

yeah and I'll never change back to linux until they have a sensible default window manager

I used Ubuntu for probably 3 years

solely

but this was back in the 10.04 days I think it was

I didn't care for the 2 taskbars but absolutely love its interface over what we have now

Videonauth

gnome-look.org/p/1013482

William

lol got a good laugh

except the only feature I want is the actual text at the bottom for each window

I could care less what it looks like in reality

Videonauth

well there are ways to achieve that

have a look around the page

William

3:45 AM

yeah xubuntu is the easiest way

okay different question no

Videonauth

i myself despite having names down there because it would overflow my list down there

William

now

okay

how do I store all updates in a way so that they are installable later?

so for example let say I want to recreate the system I have now but 10 years from now

Videonauth

create an image from your install

William

no

I want the packages

I might pick and choose what I want later

packages are better because if you software works with old packages but not new

you can simply install it from the old one

Videonauth

dpkg -l | grep ii

lists all packages with their current version

all installed packages

dpkg -l alone lists everything even dormant stuff

William

3:52 AM

yes but packages aren't always stored fror ever

Videonauth

which is not preseeded by ii at then

you could download them with apt download <name>

William

does that work for updates also?

like system updates

Videonauth

as long you got the package names yes

William

lol okay then how do I get the package names for system updates that have yet to be installed?

Videonauth

for name in $(dpkg -l | grep 'ii' | awk '{print $2;}'); do apt download $name; done

would download all actuall installed packages

William

3:56 AM

well thank you it is night here

I have written down most of what we talked about

Videonauth

5:56 am here :) just finished my first coffee

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Fabby

5:26 AM

@DavidFoerster 2 more close votes needed

@Videonauth Still awake or already awake?

Videonauth

5:47 AM

@Fabby :) still awake

and already awake

Fabby

You haven't slept at all?

Bad for your health! Sleep is more important than AU!

0:-) ;-)

Videonauth

@Fabby well you know i suffer from insomnia

:) havn't slept since three days now this evening i will take medication for having a nights sleep

Fabby

6:08 AM

:O :O :O

I knew you suffered from insomnia but didn't know it was that bad...

Videonauth

you not get pensioned of minor sleep deprivation ;)

it's, yeah it's bad

imagine youre tired and lay down but always you body does not go into sleep mode

Fabby

You should run for president, because with 1 night of sleep every day, you're ahead of the rest of the world!

;-) :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Videonauth better than the folks who enjoy it

Fabby

@Videonauth Always look on the bright side of life ----^

Journeyman Geek

@Videonauth least for me lifestyle changes helped.

Videonauth

6:11 AM

yes I do

Journeyman Geek

(I got a dog. Who believed strongly that if he went to bed at 10.30 EVERYONE WENT TO BED AT 10.30)

Videonauth

@JourneymanGeek hahaha :)

i got a cat who starts meowing badly if im still up at 1am and beyond

Journeyman Geek

(I also cut back on caffeine. Exercise helps some people...)

Videonauth

so i lay down at least to let my body rest even if i can'T sleep

its part of my other sufferings tho

Journeyman Geek

:(

Videonauth

6:14 AM

so even a calm lifestyle with sports and so on won't change it

Journeyman Geek

ah

Videonauth

ptsd, depressions, agoraphobia, anxiousness, panik attacks and insomnia

Journeyman Geek

I've had a chunk of those

I wish I could aay there was some single thing that worked, but all I can say is "sorry dude, I've been there and it sucks"

Videonauth

yes i agree :) i rather would love to work something

Journeyman Geek

I did cut waaaay back on caffeine

Videonauth

6:18 AM

best in complete homeoffice, but sadly those jobÄS are very rare and you need to show up at those companys at least fpr applying

Journeyman Geek

but that was kind of a symtom as much as...

ah, ya

Videonauth

me too, max 2 cups per day

Journeyman Geek

One cup with milk unless I'm working nights

Used to down a lot of cola

Videonauth

:)

i drink only unsugared multivitamine

completely unsugared tho

Journeyman Geek

now its mostly water, and I need to drink more of that

Videonauth

6:22 AM

not even replacements

my dieabetes forbids cola in most occasions

Journeyman Geek

ah ya

I have a family history of that

Videonauth

still i have every month a few bottles in my cooler for cases of hypoglucamia

Journeyman Geek

ya, my dad has emergency candy for that situation

Videonauth

best and fastes working is nutella, believe it or not

one teaspoon full is enough to get my bloodsugar from 60 to about 200

Journeyman Geek

6:36 AM

makes sense ;)

Zanna

7:55 AM

just saying this question isn't a dupe of that

pomsky and I voted to close it as no-repro, because OP rebooted a couple of times and voila

but as a dupe, that question which has no relation to the other one

and no useful info of its own will probably last forever D:

Journeyman Geek

hmm

I can't remember, wouldn't that get roombaed

Zanna

no

dupes never ever get roomba'd if they have answers

dupes only get roomba'd if they meet the criteria for open questions to get roomba'd

as no-repro it would get roomba'd

Journeyman Geek

ah

Zanna

I guess it's not very well known in what circumstances posts get deleted

Journeyman Geek

eh its documented

I just can't remember it all all the time ;)

Zanna

8:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek yes :) but it's quite complicated

@JourneymanGeek sure, but I mean in general, people are not aware. They don't think about it when voting to close

Journeyman Geek

ya

Zanna

going to go elsewhere and try to calm down haha

Journeyman Geek

that helps lol

dessert

@Zanna well then, let’s VTR and VTC as non-repro

Journeyman Geek

I'm watching forged in fire ;)

Zanna

8:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek what's that?

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna series where people make knives and swords

Zanna

@dessert would be nice but I doubt I'll find 10 reviewers for that project :/

Journeyman Geek

though this episode's tests are a wee bit gruesome ._.

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek oooh documentary? gotta be interesting

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna imagine something like masterchef

but people make edged weapons.

Zanna

8:05 AM

@JourneymanGeek if only there were no weapon more deadly than those :)

Journeyman Geek

(some of the tests are on, well dead animals so... I fast forward through those ;) )

@Zanna or no need for weapons at all ;)

Zanna

yeah sounds disgusting

@JourneymanGeek yeaahhhh

Journeyman Geek

worth the warning, I remember you're vegan so...

Zanna

but I guess I need weapons against potatoes and their friends

and especially squashes

Journeyman Geek

hah

few of ours are metal these days

<3 ceramic blades

Zanna

8:07 AM

oooh nice!

Journeyman Geek

and cheapie knives cause my dad's... a bit hard on them

Zanna

I don't think I have any cookware that's actually any good, apart from a few nice silicon stirrers and mats and brushes

long time since I had my own place :.(

Journeyman Geek

I'm actually in the "few but better" camp

but things... accumilate, and I live with my parents ;)

Zanna

yeah

that philosophy is good for everything

I live with my parents too

Journeyman Geek

Well, I think I can move out after april, though there's a few things to line up first.

Zanna

8:09 AM

space is very limited

some of my cookware is in a box in the garage

Journeyman Geek

oh its almost all in the kitchen ;)

Zanna

and I refuse to buy new things that I already have in the garage XD

Journeyman Geek

But if I need to cook, I need ... 4 things...

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek I remember you mentioning haha

Journeyman Geek

a cutting board (we actually have a place with professional grade gear, so... its like an inch or two thick, none of those weak thin ones), a knife, a saucepan and a fry pan ;)

Zanna

8:11 AM

what will you stir with?

Journeyman Geek

(mom prefers an indian style wok...)

hm... true.

5 things? ;p

non stick spatula or "dosai thiruppi"

Zanna

oooh there's a special device for that eh?

Journeyman Geek

If I want to be fancy, I actually have a iron tempering spoon, useful both for tempering, and self defence"

Zanna

lol XD

Journeyman Geek

amazon.in/Zishta-Dosa-Kallu-standard-Certified/dp/B01M9B0HX1

the thing on top

there's a western equivilent to that

though that griddle should be flat. ._.

Zanna

8:15 AM

haha I definitely can't make தோசை with any of the pans I have here. It sticks terribadly

Journeyman Geek

ah

the traditional one's cast iron

you absolutely need to season it

I've managed to make it with non stick once but...

you can't get a paper roast.

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek yeah... lot of effort

Journeyman Geek

lol

not if its already seasoned

Zanna

:)

Journeyman Geek

and tbh, y'all baby your cast iron, and have it to a science ;)

Zanna

8:17 AM

my family doesn't have any fancy stuff like that

although my mum bought me a tiny cast iron pan

which I haven't used at all

right now I'l trying to smoke tofu

Journeyman Geek

we season it by using it ;)

"Its sticking. MORE OIL!"

Zanna

sounds like a good plan...

Journeyman Geek

(as opposed to " be need to use linseed oil and bake it for exactly 24 minutes at exactly 159 degrees under a full moon while standing on one leg....")

Zanna

this one my mum bought me says something about wrapping it in foil on the label

I'm like, what necromancy is this?

I'm daunted by all this wizardry

nobody's ever taught me to cook hahaha

arcane knowledge XD

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna we consider it an essential life skill ;)

Zanna

8:25 AM

that's obviously the right attitude

Journeyman Geek

I do cook by instinct and smell more than 'classical' cooking tho

Zanna

:)

I don't know what I'm doing but I keep working at it XD

Journeyman Geek

that works

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek கல்லு is stone?

Journeyman Geek

(sadly, while my "culture" is fairly famous for our cooking skill, a lot of folks of both genders don't bother any more)

@Zanna in a literal sense, yeah

actually its just கல்

there's some funny unwritten gramattical rule for saying kallu over kall ;p

Zanna

8:32 AM

lots of words seem to do that

@JourneymanGeek like "pizza stone"

Journeyman Geek

oddly enough

Zanna

which is not a stone afaik but some sort of flat device for baking pizza on

Journeyman Geek

I'm trying to get a square dosa kall to use in the oven as a pizza stone...

Well, actually

there's granite pizza stones and pizza steels

But ya, the best english translation I think is griddle ;)

Zanna

I don't think I need to translate that. It can be what it is and have its purpose

according to the recipes I have, I am supposed to bake naan on a pizza stone

Journeyman Geek

0_0

makes sense? or use a griddle ;p

but we don't really have proper ovens in the south

Zanna

8:35 AM

but it works pretty ok on baking sheets shrug

Journeyman Geek

ah, guess you just have enough heat

Zanna

I guess I am happy if the result is not perfect as long as I enjoy eating it haha

Journeyman Geek

lol

quite

Zanna

@JourneymanGeek hence no naan I guess

that stuff is very popular here. You can buy some preservative-loaded vacuum packed versions in supermarkets.

but I never buy bread of any kind haha I guess I like making work for myself

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Fabby

11:20 AM

@Zanna Voted to reopen. One more vote needed.

@Zanna Erm, the UK is a prime example? (Knifings everywhere?)

@Zanna Starred!

Ferrybig

12:13 PM

I have a small ubuntu question (that is probably already asked again, but hard to find) How do I change my keyboard layout that pressing 1 time " makes it a dead key (so nothing is printed till another key is pressed like space), but pressing it 2 times gives me "" ( I tried "English (US, intl with dead keys)" but this gives me ¨ and "English (US, intl with ALTGR dead keys)" doesn't have the normal dead key behaviour, but I can press "" 2 times

Basically, I want the keyboard how windows normally does it

PerlDuck

What do you mean by pressing twice gives ""? What character/symbol are we talking about?

Ferrybig

if I press ", release ", press ", release " I get ¨

I expect ""

(on the US international with dead keys keyboard layout

PerlDuck

12:29 PM

You mean the usual "double" quotes? Pressing it once should do nothing but pressing it twice should yield two double quotes? That's weird.

Ferrybig

What keyboard layout do you use? Maybe I selected the wrong one

PerlDuck

German. Probably not what you want.

Fabby

12:46 PM

@Ferrybig On US International you need to do "[space]"[space] to get ""

"" gives ¨

Ferrybig

Is there a way to prevent that? SO I don need the extra spaces?

Fabby

No, unless you go dig into the bowels of keyboard management and make your own keymap

look for "personalsed keyboard mapping"

take a language that does not exist like XX YY or ZZ.

Ferrybig

Thanx for the advice, I found a a tutorial on the internet explaining it, will try it

Fabby

@Ferrybig Can you ask a question on the site now so I can get a bit of rep out of helping you?

Ferrybig

ok

PerlDuck

12:52 PM

@Fabby LOL, as if you needed it…

Fabby

@PerlDuck Well no...

But otherwise people drop into chat asking for help instead of posting a question.

If they don't post a question after being helped, they get nailed to the star wall as "Help Vampire".

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

PerlDuck

@Fabby Yes, that's a valid argument.

Ferrybig

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Q: How to make the double quote behave as a dead key expect when it is used in combination with itself

When I use a keyboard, I expect the following behaviour (and I relay on these behaviours): Press ", release ": Should remember the key as a dead key Press ", release ", press <space>, release <space>: Should print " Press ", release ", press ", release ": Should print "" I understand that thi...

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Fabby

thanks! Just saw it show up...

@Ferrybig Apparently it's a duplicate question, so no rep for me!

;-)

@Ferrybig but still +5 for you!!!

Ferrybig

1:07 PM

@Fabby I just found this question, by random exploring the site by following the relevant tab, it asks, just like me, to also remove a certain alias from the keymap. Too bad it doesn't have an answer

Fabby

Thannks! Voted as dupe of the other one as well.

Ferrybig

@Fabby I'm testing the other answer at the moment, to see if it works, if it works I will press the button so it instantly gets closed

Fabby

@Ferrybig Cool!

Ferrybig

Thanks again for your help

Fabby

YW

PerlDuck

1:17 PM

@Fabby I'm happy to see @Ferrybig is a 12k user so he probably knows how the wind blows. A 1rep user might be disappointed when asked to pose a question just to see it gets dupe-closed. ;-)

Fabby

@PerlDuck Well, the dupe is better than what I told him to do so...

(less work and if it doesn't work, he'll get a customised answer out of it)

Ferrybig

@PerlDuck :)

PerlDuck

@Fabby Yes, no offense. tbh, I didn't fully understand the question because my keyboard works as I expect and didn't spent too much time in investigating further. But that's neither your nor Ferrybig's fault.

Fabby

I knew exactly what he was talking about...

Luckily this is Linux and not Windows, or he'd be stuck with default...

PerlDuck

I never had the idea that the double quote key can or should mean anything else than a … double quote.

Fabby

1:23 PM

That's the whole point: he wants a double quote, not an Umlaut.

PerlDuck

I just press shift+2 to get it. :-P

Fabby

QWERTZ: yes, US International: no.

AZERTY = French, QWERTZ = German, QWERTY US International: most EU languages.

PerlDuck

LOL, that's just because the French cannot pronounce QWERTZ properly, so they chose something that sounds more common to them.

(I'm kidding, don't take me serious)

Fabby

@PerlDuck try typing the old Dutch ÿ on a German keyboard.

@PerlDuck whereas the French keyboard allows you to type äëïöü without problems...

and áéíóú and àèìòù and...

PerlDuck

Which reminds me of

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That famous ~~question~~ answer about parsing HTML with regexes. The guy must have had an enormous keyboard.

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Ferrybig

@Fabby I think this is going to be harder than it looks like, I need a key definition for an my apostrophe key, that works as a dead_acute when used with any other key, but produces 2 apostrophe when combined with itself

Fabby

@Ferrybig Thinking...

@Ferrybig Wouldn't it be just easier to do [rightalt]2 as the apostrophe?

so keep the apostrophe as a dead key and then define apostrophe as [AltGr]2?

because under Linux it's a mapping, whereas under Windows it's a DLL.

In a DLL you can do anything as it's programmatically...

@Ferrybig Or the other way around?

remap [AtlGR]2 as the dead key and apostrophe as apostrophy?

(depending on which you need most???)

Ferrybig

The problem is that I'm used to the behaviour of they under windows, and I use it 50% as a dead one, and 50% follwed by space when I don't want it to becode a dead one

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