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TheWanderer

12:50 AM

hue

@NathanOsman so what does your Go lib do differently than the Java?

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

1:01 AM

0

Q: MLPPP in Ubuntu 16.04: looking for guidance.

I'm new to MLPPP so... be gentle on me. I'm working on a home project where I would like to bond three ISP's together in Ubuntu 16.04 server with multiple NICs. I'm having trouble understanding which is which. What's the difference between MLPPP and PPPoE, or are they the same thing? If I want...

Android Dev

@Seth Are you referring to the fact that MS did a major redesign on Win on v8?

Seth

;)

Android Dev

@TheWanderer So how did the whole "hue" thing start anyways?

TheWanderer

no idea

@NathanOsman y u ignore

seriously, the V20 has a nice camera

edwinksl

2:07 AM

whoa nice photo

RobotHumans

3:05 AM

anyone added a new "local" git remote and taken the committed files from something with an old origin and shoehorned it in to a new local remote folder?

TheWanderer

3:25 AM

@edwinksl isn't it?

SmokeDetector

5:24 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body: One extremely important point by cKinlaura on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

5:50 AM

0

Q: Ubuntu Software updates error on 12.04 LTS version

When I update these packages I am getting the following error, please find the attached screenshot. Can anyone help us on this?

ubuntu software-updates

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

6:57 AM

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Q: Unable to ssh but able to ping it

I am using Ubuntu Xenial 16.04.The problem is I am able to ssh another machines from my system but I am unable to ssh my system from another machine but I am able to ping my system from another machine. For example, my system's ip address is 192.168.103.32 and another machine which runs CentOs ha...

ubuntu centos ssh ping

Pandya

8:16 AM

in Root Access, 35 secs ago, by Pandya

I mean choosing partition while installing Ubuntu.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

8:51 AM

0

Q: Shorewall 1:1 Nat with Exceptions

We have an Ubuntu Server 16.04 connecting to the internet through pppoe, with a static public IP. On that same system shorewal is configured and DNATs different ports on different systems residing behind it. Here are some information in regards to the current setup: /etc/shorewall/zones #ZONE ...

ubuntu nat shorewall

RonnieDroid

9:01 AM

If @cl-netbox is present:
Print ("Guten Morgen")
else:
Print ("good morning")

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

0

Q: Installing gcc 3.3 to ubuntu 16

I am not familiar with Ubuntu and I want to install old version (3.3) of gcc to compile some code. When I tried with sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3 Its not installing. ~$ sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3 sudo: /etc/sudoers.d is world writable Reading package lists... Done Building dependency ...

ubuntu gcc c

SmokeDetector

9:39 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Encrypt folders with Plasma Vault? by mhogomchungu on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Pandya

9:53 AM

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Q: No additional drivers available; though they were available when I tried Ubuntu!

I used to use (before 2.5 years) Ubuntu 14.04 in my Desktop PC and then shifted to Trisquel GNU/Linux-Libre as mentioned in my profile. Recently I've purchased Dell Laptop (which has 2GB of Nvidia Graphics card) and there is Windows 10 installed. As I like GNOME more than Unity, I've recently dow...

16.04 ubuntu-gnome additional-drivers

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

0

Q: Export Display is not working on Ubuntu Gnome (gmd3)

When I try to export the remote display I do: In my Ubuntu 17.04: xhost + access control disabled, clients can connect from any host Then I make the connection to the server: ssh user@server Once in the server get this error: user@server:~$ export DISPLAY=my_ip:0.0 user@server:~$ xeyes...

ubuntu x11 display gdm3 xdmcp

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +4 more: supplement4help.com/true-testo/ by stitunelag on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

SmokeDetector

10:50 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: ERORECTIN---------------------------------------====== by user705723 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

TheWanderer

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

11:42 AM

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Q: Ubuntu Ease of use

I have always used windows and never even looked at Linux until now. I have been speaking with my friend who has advised that Ubuntu is a better option than windows for security etc but that it is harder to use. He advised that Linux is command line driven similar to DOS. Unless I get one with ...

ubuntu gui migration

TheWanderer

12:09 PM

hey @KazWolfe, hue has made it to the Portuguese SO Room

and I didn't introduce it

wat

Imagine Dragons - Thunder

►

Riccardo Pirani

Hi

David Foerster

12:36 PM

@NathanOsman Needs more Zalgo.

cl-netbox

Hello :)

David Foerster

@cl-netbox: Hej there!

Bug #1701068: motd.ubuntu.com currently shows media item (HBO's Silicon Valley using Ubuntu)

cl-netbox

@DavidFoerster Hey David - good afternoon ! :) Nice to see you ! :)

If @RonnieDroid is present :
Print ("مساء الخير يا صديقي")

TheWanderer

@DavidFoerster ack Dutch

David Foerster

@TheWanderer: More like Swedish or Danish.

TheWanderer

12:50 PM

orite

meh, they're all Germanic anyway

David Foerster

Maybe the Dutch say it (informally) too. I don't know.

TheWanderer

aren't you the Dutch?

David Foerster

No. I'm German.

TheWanderer

oops lol

David Foerster

Close enough though. ;-)

TheWanderer

12:51 PM

the "oe" throws me off

I'm off my game today

edwinksl

you mean every day

looks like people want you to stop hue-ing

TheWanderer

<_<

David Foerster

Is "foerster" even a Dutch word? My name is an outdated spelling of "Förster" (engl. "forest ranger", dutch "boswachter").

TheWanderer

idk if it's Dutch

the oe just looks Dutch

David Foerster

I guess so^^

TheWanderer

12:55 PM

although I guess it'd more likely be oo or something

David Foerster

@edwinksl Not until we all dyed of laughter. xD

dyed >_>

<_>

≥>_<≤

@edwinksl Are your eyes at the side of your head or are you [opposite of cross-eyed]?

Byte Commander

12:58 PM

@DavidFoerster "boswachter"? Sounds like boss-watcher :D

TheWanderer

edwin is a fish

David Foerster

@ByteCommander "boswachter" is a fun word because "bos" has Latin roots and "wachter" has Germanic roots.

@TheWanderer Or a horse.

TheWanderer

neiiiigh

edwinksl

nein

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox Hallo, Arabic is not my native language, but مساء الخير، كيف حالك؟

Byte Commander

1:11 PM

Yeah, in Spanish, forest means "bosque" IIRC

David Foerster

"boscus" in Latin. "bois" in French.

I need to switch to the new Skype client after all. Does anybody have any experience with it? What to watch out for?

TheWanderer

the new Skype Linux one?

David Foerster

Yes.

TheWanderer

it's basically the web version

David Foerster

I only know that it's actually Chromium with an offline web application.

Stupid bloatware…

TheWanderer

1:23 PM

just hope it doesn't end up like the Android version

David Foerster

What's with that?

TheWanderer

have you seen it?

David Foerster

No. I don't have a smartphone.

TheWanderer

it's horrible

and wat

no smartphone

how

David Foerster

The subjective expected benefits don't outweigh the cost of acquisition and maintenance.

TheWanderer

1:26 PM

>_>

you dont scare me with yer big fancy werds there mister

David Foerster

The cheap and/or locked-down phone models would be incredibly frustrating to me every time I can't do something that's possible and not too complicated because Google or Apple say so.

The expensive models are just… expensive. I don't need mobile internet access that badly.

TheWanderer

get a Xiaomi

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Sound stopped working after upgrading Ubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04

My notebook is a Dell Inspiron 15 Gaming. My Ubuntu's version is xenial. After upgrading from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04; the computer could not detect the sound card anymore... Also, alsamixer was not working neither... I tried to do somethings: reinstall alsa utils; installed some drivers manually...

ubuntu drivers audio

David Foerster

I might get something with the next generation of Sailfish OS, most likely something from Jolla itself.

I'm on board as soon as there's a smartphone that can enable promiscuous WiFi mode. ;-D

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid Cool ... Google Translate seems to have translated my message (nearly: I said "afternoon" instead of "evening") perfectly ... hahaha ... good afternoon to you - I'm fine - thank you for asking ... just finished upgrading my systems (new kernels available for most of them) ... what about yourself ? everything fine ? what is your native language ? :)

Pilot6

1:50 PM

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A: How do I install Ubuntu on a Chromebook?

I'm seeing a lot of people, in questions like these, answer saying that you can't remove ChromeOS from a Chromebook due to Chrome custom BIOS not letting you. I want to clear that up and say you can. This tutorial-like answer is for installing full Ubuntu to your Chromebook. It isn't a version o...

The user is posting the answer to all questions regarding Chromebooks.

Amolith, NC, United States

56 10

chromebook boot system-installation unity acer cairo-dock icons

cl-netbox

@Pilot6 Hi ! :) What can we do ? Flag them ?

Pilot6

I did flag it. It may be a good answer, but it is against the rules. And there are links to some ROM site...

terdon

2:31 PM

@Pilot6 Thanks, but there's no point in flagging people who post identical answers. The system will automatically flag them.

Pilot6

@terdon I did not know that. What if the answers are very slightly different?

terdon

@Pilot6 I think the system will only flag 100% identical ones. If they're different, there's no problem anyway. Adapting an answer to fit multiple questions is fine. What we generally don't want is identical answers.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: "Read-only file system error" on Samba share, alternative share with identical options working (Linux client)

I'm experiencing a very strange problem which I've been trying to solve in the past few days and I already tried various methods of resolution to which I will get to in a moment. My home network consists of a micro server (Ubuntu Linux Server 17.04, kernel 4.10.0-26-generic on x86_64, CLI only) ...

ubuntu networking samba

RonnieDroid

2:50 PM

@cl-netbox Happy to hear that, I'm fine :-) , am I the only person in the world that gets scared when a new Kernel is available? Lol, and my native language is Syriac :-)

Seth

.@Ubuntu Placing ads in the MOTD now? 😧 Really? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068 https://t.co/1KVgWZfo6l

Tweeted by astarrb on June 28, 2017 at 9:07 PM

What the actual..

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, JavaC?

@Seth I'm pretty sure it's a scraper error: motd.ubuntu.com

Byte Commander

This would be a suitable candidate for Gems From StackExchange:

0

Q: How canI move down one directory

I know the command for moving up one directory is cd .. Is there any command to move down one directory?

bash mac

TheWanderer

@ByteCommander wtf

Apparently API 18 doesn't support the new SE mobile chat

Nathan Osman

3:14 PM

@Seth ---^

Finally got an onyx medal.

TheWanderer

is that PoGo?

:p

Nathan Osman

No.

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Eh? you mean the browser doesn't?

TheWanderer

yeah

because it's falling back to the old style

Android Dev

@NathanOsman We're redoing the UI a bit, cleaning it up.

Seth

3:15 PM

@NathanOsman w00t!

TheWanderer

and some fancy animations

I'm learning how to use JitHub

Seth

Recharger is a good one

TheWanderer

hmm

Android Dev

Well, as @Rinzwind says.... BOXY!!! :D

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev should I try adding a simple rotation anim to the drawer icon?

just a full 180 or 360

cl-netbox

3:17 PM

@AndroidDev ANDRY !!! :D

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Hrmm. Well, you can try it. It should be easy enough to revert

TheWanderer

yeah

I'll push first

Android Dev

k

TheWanderer

pushéd

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid scared ? you should be happy : they often fix security issues ... or do you want systems to be vulnerable ? feel free to use Windows anytime ... :D

TheWanderer

3:20 PM

Windows isn't vulnerable

it crashes too much for a virus to propogate

cl-netbox

hahaha

@RonnieDroid hmmm ... Syriac seems not to be included in GT ... so we'll have to stick with English ! :D

RonnieDroid

3:45 PM

@TheWanderer lol hahahhahah. Sorry @cl-netbox had to lol for this first :-P

@cl-netbox I get that, that gets me happy, but I've had many bad experiences updating the Kernel :-\

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid nothing to be sorry ... was a nice joke ! :)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox yeah, English is fine, who speaks Syriac anyway? Lol

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid what ? I never had an issue with kernels - but I always use stable and tested kernels from the repositories ... :)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox so maybe it's only me :-\

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid no it's not only you ... many users are experiencing issues, but in most cases it's their own fault ... too many tweaks and not enough (basic) knowledge. :)

RonnieDroid

3:56 PM

@cl-netbox maybe yeah

cl-netbox

4:24 PM

@RonnieDroid By the way, which system(s) are you using ?

RonnieDroid

4:40 PM

@cl-netbox will must of the problems I had where from when I was using elementary OS and only when updating the system.

Now I use Ubuntu gnome for years.

But I never upgrade the OS, I always start fresh when a new version is available

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid my first ubuntu was gutsy ... :)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox never heard of it, my first was Ubuntu 12.04, I have never had anything but Ubuntu and distros based on Ubuntu, I have right Solus and it's really nice, and would love to use Arch but it just won't boot in my MacBook Air

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid great ! best thing you can do ! I'm doing it the same way - always perform clean installations ... that is the best way to avoid problems. :)

@RonnieDroid gutsy gibbon = ubuntu 7.10 ! :D

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox exactly :-)

@cl-netbox wow, that's from 2009 or something? Back when I thought Windows is the only OS lol

@cl-netbox the 17.10 release will be nostalgic for you :-P

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid my recommendation as an alternative : check out fedora ... version 26 will be released in a few weeks (mid of July) - you'll get a perfectly stable system with newest stable software packages available ! :)

@RonnieDroid gutsy was released in October 2007 (7.10)

@RonnieDroid 17.10 nostalgic ? sorry, don't understand

Pandya

4:50 PM

^^ Do I have to install proprietary driver in order to get working wifi? Or is there any alternative free software available?

cl-netbox

@Pandya Hi ! :) yes, you have to install the Broadcom drivers ... otherwise no WIFI ... afterwards reboot the system ! :)

Pandya

@cl-netbox Are you sure no alternative free software available?

cl-netbox

@Pandya yes I am sure ... one of my machines is an old DELL notebook with a BCM wifi card ... no other chance ! :)

Pandya

@cl-netbox oh! ok :(

However, I'm thinking to ask a question regarding it on site like "Is there any free software available to work with <this> driver. not sure such question fit on AU. I think U&L or Software-recommendation.SE may be more suitable.

cl-netbox

@Pandya there are hundreds of questions about BCM drivers on AU ... you know, I also looked for open source drivers - not available ... you NEED the BCM drivers (not only for debian / ubuntu ... also for red hat based and all other systems).

Pandya

5:01 PM

5 mins ago, by Pandya

@cl-netbox oh! ok :(

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox aha, I'll try that when it comes out :-)

@cl-netbox Because your first one was 7.10, 17.10? Got it now? :-P

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid nice, I guess you'll like it ! :)

@RonnieDroid aaahhh ... yes, now I know what you meant. :)

RonnieDroid

:-D

@cl-netbox is it like Ubuntu, newer software can't run on older version? Or a rolling release like Arch?

I'd really stick to Solus but, they are gonna move to QT, I don't like QT.

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid to be honest, I don't have such a feeling ... for me it is important to have a solid and properly working system ... :)

@RonnieDroid no, not a rolling release like arch ... more like ubuntu (every about six months a new release)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox you have got the right approach to computers then :-P

@cl-netbox that's cool, I'll try it out, especially that it always has that newest Gnome :-D

cl-netbox

5:11 PM

@RonnieDroid yes, no wonder : fedora and GNOME are both owned and sponsored by red hat ... everything fits perfectly fine (mostly) ! :)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox really? Didn't know Gnome was owned by Redhat

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid fedora and GNOME are the base of RHEL ... the developers (payed by red hat) test the stuff, which later gets included in RHEL :)

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox aha, good to know

cl-netbox

Rinzy ! :)

Rinzwind

Boxy!

RonnieDroid

5:26 PM

@ParanoidPanda goo.gl/photos/qRWZurmCCDgbPGs27 :-P

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid if panda eats that, he'll explode into pieces ! :D

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox hahaha.

I just ate a piece for now because I have a football match at 11, when I come back, I'll invade the tray :-P

cl-netbox

@RonnieDroid hahaha :D :D :D

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

6:05 PM

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Q: Gnome automatically scales x2 on a HiDPI Display (XPS 13)

hope you guys can help me. I have the issue that ubuntu gnome (17) always has the automatic scale factor 2 when using the native resolution (3200x1800). When I change the resolution (to 1920x1080 for example) it scales normally (factor 1). When I look at gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interfac...

linux ubuntu gnome display-settings gsettings

user136984

@RonnieDroid Yum! :D

user136984

Be sure to email me a slice! ;P

user136984

@RonnieDroid: What does this look like to you? Chocolate or Salamander??? :D

user136984

And then suddenly I saw that this was trending on YouTube! :D

user136984

WORLDS BEST DIY CHOCOLATE CAKE

►

user136984

6:17 PM

I haven't watched it, but isn't it funny that such things would pop up specifically when I am searching? :D

TheWanderer

>_>

user136984

You may have noticed a lot of :D, but that is only so that when the alien chocolate cake craft flies at me and tries to attack it can just go right in and my belly can deal with the threat! ;D :D :D

Byte Commander

no.

user136984

But really, I can't eat it. :(

user136984

I gave into my cake craving yesterday, and today I am fat!

user136984

6:19 PM

:D

user136984

Any why did this randomly pop up?

user136984

Acoustic Kitty and Bat Bombs: Citation Needed 6x05

►

user136984

:D

user136984

That's very very strange!

user136984

6:41 PM

@KazWolfe: Looks like you've got a twin! ;P

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda ?

user136984

:D

Kaz Wolfe

oh yes. Wilf is a thing.

Android Dev

Kaz Wolfe

6:43 PM

cc @Wilf, if he's around.

RonnieDroid

@ParanoidPanda I will :-)

Android Dev

Oh wait, you were posting that because of the double avatar?

ooooh

I thought

you were posting because of the 0

Lol

user136984

@AndroidDev: No... Why given my comment before that would I be doing that? :D

RonnieDroid

@ParanoidPanda that's one yummy salamander :-P

user136984

I love the description on Wilf's profile! :D

user136984

6:45 PM

> It is important to remember the difference between mythical trolls and internet trolls. One sort is ugly, stupid and bad-tempered - the other sort is imaginary.

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda Didn't see your previous comment :\

user136984

It's well thought through.

user136984

@AndroidDev: Without prior context, you attach your own context so we now know what you're thinking about! ;D

Android Dev

Hahaha :D

I was thinking that I don't particularly like reviewing

user136984

7:47 PM

I'm sad that xsnow is in so many distros' repositories but it doesn't even work on X any more.

user136984

:(

Ask Ubuntu Meta

0

Q: Should we delete blocklist tag?

The blocklist apparently is misused, out of 11 questions where it's used , it's used for block devices, on other - for blocking specific websites. There's also no usage-guide for that tag.

discussion tags

TheWanderer

should we delete Serg?

5

<_>?

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda xcowsay does though

user136984

What's that?

Byte Commander

7:49 PM

cowsay for the GUI

user136984

Ah

Byte Commander

There's also xcowthink and xcowfortune

user136984

We don't have that in Arch repositories so I couldn't look it up quickly.

Byte Commander

TheWanderer

crepee

user136984

7:53 PM

^ :D

Byte Commander

Crêpe?

I didn't even have my weeping angels wallpaper on...

user136984

@ByteCommander Yum! Yes please! ;P

RonnieDroid

So system76 have there own Ubuntu distro now and they can it Pop!_OS

It runes Ubuntu 17.04 and Gnome

But, why why why why? Why? Huh? Why?

Linux and Christianity are so alike, everyone has his own church.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

8:16 PM

0

Q: OpenVPN Killswitch on first interface, local network access only on the second

I have a virtual machine set up with pci passthrough access to two network interfaces. I currently use private internet access (PIA) and have it set up to use OpenVPN (and/or it's own application). The application comes with a nice and easy kill switch option, which works great. The problem (ob...

ubuntu network-interface openvpn vpn

user136984

> Kim Jong-un’s ears are being photoshopped “to make him look a bit more handsome than he is in real life”, forensic software has revealed. -- North Korea keeps 'photoshopping' Kim Jong-un’s ears, experts say, The Independent

user136984

:D

user136984

@cl-netbox: What do you think? :D :D :D

user136984

He must have some funny ears if they need to do this stuff!

TheWanderer

8:19 PM

those ears are caucasian

NK wtf >_>

Android Dev

2

@ParanoidPanda when there was a security breach --^

user136984

:D

Kaz Wolfe

question.

Can anyone ID this language:

Array(
[key] => value
)

Nathan Osman

PHP print_r() output?

Just a guess.

TheWanderer

of course it's PHP....

Kaz Wolfe

8:41 PM

k thx

i was thinking something weird/esoteric

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe PHP falls under at least the former

Kaz Wolfe

sadly php is not the weirdest thing i have to deal with

Nathan Osman

You don't mean... the horror!... ...VBA?

Kaz Wolfe

No, I mean VB6.

but i wouldn't be surprised if one of my company's clients hacked our API into an Excel spreadsheet or an Access DB.

Nathan Osman

VBA and VB6 are equally horrifying.

Kaz Wolfe

8:50 PM

also a shocking amount of .NET code

Nathan Osman

"managed" code

TheWanderer

whoo rooting is stressful these days

Nathan Osman

Given the mess that systemd is, I kinda understand why Android is reluctant to hand over root access to users.

TheWanderer

Android uses systemd?

Nathan Osman

No.

That's my point.

TheWanderer

8:52 PM

>_>

Nathan Osman

Sorry, but I felt better having taken a swing at systemd.

Kaz Wolfe

@ParanoidPanda @DavidFoerster @karel - please take another look at this question and reconsider your close votes. The question is about cloning a single installed package, not all of Ubuntu.

Nathan Osman

I am reluctant to criticize things so severely, but systemd is truly a trainwreck-on-wheels. A constant stream of CVEs, new features nobody wants (except a handful of misguided sysadmins), continual breakage with existing tools, etc.

Kaz Wolfe

Then make your own init solution if you can do it better.

Nathan Osman

Things used to be simple - you had your init and you had your system logs.

Kaz Wolfe

8:55 PM

Because we all know upstart is complete bloody garbage.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Them's fightin' words.

I'm tempted to do just that.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Yes. Yes they are.

Another reminder: If you use init scripts, I will personally find you and hand you a massive project the likes of which would require the most painful init script imaginable.

Nathan Osman

I do like the way systemd does unit files.

If only they had stopped there.

So I'm thinking something like YAML files.

(YAML is like JSON only better formatted and more human readable.)

Kaz Wolfe

"better formatted"

Nathan Osman

Comments.

Something JSON lacks entirely.

Kaz Wolfe

8:58 PM

"YOU USED A TAB!!1!! EVERYTHING WILL BREAK NOW!"

Nathan Osman

Allow me to introduce you to Python :P

Kaz Wolfe

Newline termination.

Nathan Osman

Backslash FTW.

Even Python does that.

user136984

Interesting:

user136984

33

Q: Net Neutrality and Stack Overflow / Stack Exchange

I'm currently working with Kaitlin on a blog post that'll serve to announce this company's support for Fight for the Future's Internet-Wide Day of Action to Save Net Neutrality. I've done a fair bit of reading on this over the years, and believe this is a good cause - and one worthy of a loud and...

discussion featured politics

user136984

8:59 PM

And it's from Shog9 too!

Kaz Wolfe

Just use XML, @NathanOsman.

Nathan Osman

NO.

Kaz Wolfe

It has comments like YAML.

Nathan Osman

XML was cool in the early 2000s.

Kaz Wolfe

so it must be good.

Nathan Osman

9:01 PM

This is not the early 2000s.

XML may be a lot of things, but human-readable isn't one of them.

It's also unnecessarily verbose.

Kaz Wolfe

YAML is good for taking notes. YAML is not good for configuration files.

Nathan Osman

I disagree.

I have a 346-line YAML file open right now and it's a joy to work with.

Everything neatly spaced, data grouped in a nice hierarchy, comments describing things, etc.

Kaz Wolfe

iirc it's also much easier to programmatically parse JSON.

Nathan Osman

Nobody should be writing their own JSON parser unless they have a really good reason.

That's the systemd mentality, "let's roll our own xyz".

Kaz Wolfe

plus, really... guessing between string and number...

Seth

9:04 PM

technically doesn't JSON fit into the YAML spec?

Nathan Osman

JSON is a subset of YAML.

Seth

right

Nathan Osman

As to strings vs. ints, I tend to just use strings everywhere and parse the integers in code.

It avoids some other issues (such as 64-bit numbers, floating-point, etc.).

Kaz Wolfe

thing:
    configX: 15
    configY: 0

Nathan Osman

Looks simple enough to me.

Kaz Wolfe

9:05 PM

"Wait, can configX take a string? I don't know.... gotta go to the manual..."

RonnieDroid

@cl-netbox our football match was on fire, literally on fire 🤣 no kidding

Kaz Wolfe

or "is configx really a number, or is it a string?"

meanwhile in some python script: print("ConfigX value: " + conf.configX)

meanwhile in json:

{
    "thing": {
        "configX": "15",
        "configY": 0
    }
}

"Oh! configX is a string! Okay, no documentation check needed."

Nathan Osman

Just use strings for everything :P

Then parse to integers as needed.

Kaz Wolfe

meanwhile in Python: print("Some function: " + str(configY - 4))

Nathan Osman

That's how command-line arguments work.

Kaz Wolfe

9:10 PM

unnecessary complication is unnecessary.

Nathan Osman

How is that complicated?

1. always assume value is string
2. ...
3. Profit!

Kaz Wolfe

then what even is the point of types?

Nathan Osman

Not much really, other than the obvious fact that dicts and arrays are types too.

Kaz Wolfe

mandatory whitespace is never good.

plus YAML is a good way to annoy all of the TAB zealots.

user136984

Goodnight folks! :)

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