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@TheWanderer you cold do me a favor and look over my answer here and check the wording askubuntu.com/questions/970704/…
 
I warm do you a favor too :p
I'll look
 
I tested this on a VM and wrote it down as it came and i have the strong feeling it sounds crazy
 
I can follow it
 
came across this question while reviewing and thought well i can answer this, and since it is flagged as unclear, well i did not think it was unclear as you can see
so the setences are ok, i thought them to be a bit awkward phrased
 
 
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3:28 AM
@Videonauth you never know what to play?
 
@Seth exactly :p
instead i wrote an answer here
to a question which already had one close vote for being unclear
was pretty easy to reproduce and easy to fix tbh
and actually im reading gentoo documentation :p
 
 
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Q: Column into rows

Athar MutahariPlease I need commands for my data in linux. input column1 Column2 Column3 A 10 x A 15 Y A 5 m B 12 T B 3 R B 20 M out put: Column1 column4 A ...

 
7:17 AM
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Q: SUID bit on binary file still yielding "Permission denied" error

JTJMalice and bob both belong to the staff group. I've got the following folder: drwxrwxr-x 2 alice staff 4096 Oct 30 14:45 share with the following files inside the folder: -rwsr-xr-x 1 alice alice 8768 Oct 30 14:45 display-foo -rw------- 1 alice alice 24 Oct 30 14:45 foo.txt display-foo is a ...

 
 
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8:35 AM
What's going on with webupd8.org ?
 
 
1 hour later…
9:41 AM
@blade19899 you mean that they not have produced much ppa wise ?
 
10:10 AM
@Videonauth last week the site was down. Saw a placeholder page. And now its back up again/
 
@blade19899 well maybe they did mainentance, what i saw is that their ppas are somehow stale, especially when it comes to tor browser
last successful build 34 weeks ago
last available version is for 16.04
 
10:43 AM
@Videonauth Hmm weird. Hope stay online forever
 
10:58 AM
hope so too
 
Hello everybody :)
 
11:14 AM
 
11:34 AM
o.O
 
11:53 AM
hue
 
12:06 PM
how do people generally handle usb?
 
@ArukaJ By plugging in a USB device and the system recognizes it? Have you been having a problem with USB?
 
12:43 PM
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Q: bin file download when i browse my IP address

School Of FreelancingI have setup nagios but when I brows my IP address it download a BIN file. I need help on why bin file download when i browse my IP address http://46.101.145.158/nagios

 
1:01 PM
@EliahKagan Yes
 
What's the problem?
 
@EliahKagan bought a USB drive, but, 1. It still has some random files on it, safe to remove? 2. Formatted as FAT32, do I have to reformat? 3. Valid to put multiple ISOs on it so if I plug in I can boot from many operating systems (or install them on the fly)? 4. If so does this also mean I can add other files to the drive too I want to keep on me? 5. Is encrypting the USB on top of all this a thing?
I am not really sure how most people use their USB drives for this
 
For (1), probably, but it depends what the files are. If the drive has special capabilities beyond what USB drives can usually do, perhaps they are drivers (probably Windows-only drivers though I can't be sure). Or perhaps they are files for a program that provides encryption; if so, that is probably also Windows-only, which is not to say that you cannot encrypt the disk in a way that will work with Ubuntu, only that most likely whatever it comes with for that will not support Ubuntu. Probably.
What are the files?
 
Three hidden holders: .fseventsd (has a single file called fseventd-uuid), .Spotlight-V100 (has two subfolders Store-V1 and Store-v2 and some volume config list thing), .Trashes (empty)
 
sounds like crap: fseeventsd should be a directory where file system events are stored. Whatever that means. .Trashes is used by Windows and macOS (I think) to store deleted items locally. Spotlight is some macOS thing.
 
1:12 PM
.fseventsd is part of the File System Events notification mechanism - when a file changes, the operating system sends a message to any programs which care, such as the Spotlight indexing system.

.Spotlight-V100 is where Spotlight keeps its index data: when you search in Spotlight, it looks in this index rather than searching all the files directly.

.Trashes store deleted data (one directory per user inside that, IIRC).

Normally all these files/directories are hidden; if deleted, OS X will re-create them automatically. (In Spotlight's case, this can take a while: it will have to read all
 
Yeah, it appears you've used the drive on macOS. It typically writes those files.
 
Al of them sound like they should be created automatically if needed and they don't exist.
 
If you don't need to keep your spotlight search info and trashes (which are empty) then you can remove them.
 
As for the rest: 2) vfat is fine; 3) I don't see why not, there's no special requirements, just a normal usb drive; 4) you can, yes, but it might make it a little more complicated; 5) yes, you can encrypt, but don't encrypt the drive! not if you want to use it to boot operating systems from (there's no point, anyway). Instead, encrypt a directory on the drive.
Of course, it would make much more sense to just get a simple usb stick for your local equivalent of 5$ or so and just use that for booting and another disk for your files.
 
I had considered using only one USB because I didn't want to keep two of them on me (my keyring would become bulky)
but if it can't be helped I may have to just do that instead
 
1:17 PM
No, it should be possible. Just set it up to boot the various things you want it to boot and then make a new directory where you can store your files.
But don't encrypt the entire thing. Just encrypt the directory if that's what you need.
 
I am just a little unclear on how to do that
 
I do have some experience in the past with Luks though, but that was but local hard disks and such
 
See above
 
pardon my ignorance, this UEFI concept, is it something my USB would have to have? Or compatible with? I thought UEFI was mostly a computer/BIOS thing instead?
if my computer is not UEFI-compatible would this pendrivelinux not work?
 
1:22 PM
@ArukaJ If it isn't, why use the UEFI version?
 
@ArukaJ the opposite is what you have to expect ... on legacy BIOS based machines there will be less chance to experience issues with that tool than on EFI based machines :)
 
But you should be able to install in "legacy" (BIOS) mode. Dunno though, I've never tried it. If in doubt, just don't use the UEFI version of the tool.
 
Hi terdon ! :)
 
terdon, guess what :D
 
Hi cl
@Videonauth ?
 
1:25 PM
I#m finally going full Gentoo on my laptop
 
Ah, nice :) Good luck!
 
Good luck from me too ! :)
 
thought the old beauty could use a system which is not that bloated as some distros are with its 2 cores and 4 Gig of ram
 
I have installed centos on such a device ... running quite smoothly there :)
 
Does anybody here actually use Ubuntu these days?
 
1:33 PM
<-- 17.10 Vanilla Gnome
on my main machine
 
@terdon you are asking things ... hahaha :D
 
@Videonauth Ah, phew :) At least one!
@cl-netbox Well, it does seem like Ubuntu users are a minority in this room these days :)
 
and Arch, Kali, fedora 25, knoppix, and 16.04 from USB boot on main machine
 
@terdon you seem to be not that wrong ... :D
@terdon HA ! and that one wants to switch to gentoo now ... :D
 
@cl-netbox on my laptop, yes
and when im firm enough i go completely crazy and do Linux from Scratch
 
1:38 PM
@Videonauth :D :D :D
 
@Videonauth On a laptop!?
That does seem like masochism.
 
@terdon already treid it once but was not experienced enough to get it running in the end
isnt that bad, only need about a week to compile the initrd
 
Sure, it's the subsequent tweaks to get it to play nice with laptop hardware that I'm thinking of.
I would expect LFS to be much simpler on a desktop.
 
im mostly scared of the BC driver for the wifi module lol
well its all about what you compile into the kernel at the end
 
@terdon He likes to compile drivers ... especially the wireless one will be fun :D
 
1:43 PM
thats the most tricky step of it all
 
For a special definition of 'fun'. . . :)
 
:D :D :D
 
@terdon well i like latext and leather .... coughs
:p
well its all for science
 
@Videonauth LaTeX I like too. Not sure about latext :P
Or leather, for that matter.
 
i want to know how that stuff works under the hud
and i think even my usage of ubuntu would benefit from that knowledge
 
1:47 PM
@Videonauth I could tell you how to make a kmod RPM for BCM wireless drivers ... but if that would be valid for and work on gentoo ? IDK :D
 
:) we will see, arch was a breeze to install on the laptop
even got my wireless working
 
@Videonauth Heh, it's hood, actually. That's also what you call the cover of a car's engine. But I like under the HUD (heads up display) more!
 
gah again i mixed this up lol
 
right as you did with latex and latext ... :D
 
[Mon Oct 30 06:51:17.469952 2017] [:error] [pid 12447] [client 188.247.239.79:60396] script '/home/server/videonauth.dyndns.org/xmlrpc.php' not found or unable to stat, referer: http://www.google.com.hk
[Mon Oct 30 06:51:21.284674 2017] [:error] [pid 12438] [client 188.247.239.79:60773] script '/home/server/videonauth.dyndns.org/xmlrpc.php' not found or unable to stat, referer: http://www.google.com.hk
[Mon Oct 30 06:51:27.442246 2017] [:error] [pid 12388] [client 188.247.239.79:32860] script '/home/server/videonauth.dyndns.org/xmlrpc.php' not found or unable to stat, referer: http://www.go
mhmm what did this guy try ? lol
15 MB of error.log
 
2:02 PM
just realized this thing is an .exe
 
@ArukaJ which system are you using at the moment ?
 
OSX
I have another Windows laptop running at the moment too but something went wrong on it at some point and it can't find the OS anymore, so may as well wipe that one and repurpose it as a Linux machine :)
I figure I can wipe the drives from the USB side
just applying shred to it
 
What are you doing there ? You never should work on disks from within a running system ! :)
 
just trying to turn this machine into a linux box
and also set up my USB at the same time
but the online searches are just so hopelessly confusing
even this page here multibootusb.org/page_download
I have no friggin idea what this means
 
no chance to achieve it this way ...
 
2:10 PM
what do you mean?
 
Create a bootable linux distro installation USB medium ... boot from it ... install the linux system ... and so on
 
medium
(sorry, that's one of my pet peeves: many installation media, one installation medium)
 
@terdon corrected ! :D
 
I don't follow, what's the problem with this?
 
with what ? :D
 
2:18 PM
with the USB boot / install
 
there is no problem ... now it seems that I can't follow you ... :D
 
you said "no chance to achieve it this way"
What were you referring to?
 
@ArukaJ to what you said right before :)
 
right but what do you mean no chance to achieve it this way? which part?
 
@ArukaJ "just trying to turn this machine into a linux box and also set up my USB at the same time"
You have to create a bootable linux installation USB medium ... boot from it ... install the linux system
 
2:25 PM
that's what i am trying to do, yes
for some reason my laptop isn't picking up the iso from the USB though
it sees the USB stick in the BIOS (it finds the name of the stick), I move it up to top boot priority, but nothing
continues to go on to the usual "partition not found / OS not found" errors
 
@ArukaJ did you set a boot flag ?
 
is that different than boot order?
 
@ArukaJ to make a usb bootable you need to set a boot flag ... mostly this happens during media creation ... do you have an UEFI based BIOS ?
 
I don't know how to tell
"Phoenix SecureCore Setup Utility"
 
Select the USB entry with UEFI in front ! :)
 
2:29 PM
there is no such option
 
which option exactly do you see ?
 
boot order etc
 
and ? how is the USB entry named ?
which system ISO did you place on the USB drive ?
 
"1: USB HDD: Kingston DataTraveler 2.0"
i just put the Ubuntu iso on the drive
ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
 
@ArukaJ no ubuntu entry behind mentioned ?
 
2:33 PM
no
 
@ArukaJ and when you try to boot from that USB nothing happens ?
 
nothing
 
okay ... then the USB was not configured correctly ... make a new one
 
all I did was drag the ISO into the USB drive
do I have to do something else?
 
@ArukaJ that OF COURSE does NOT work
@ArukaJ you have to write the content of the ISO file to the USB drive
 
2:36 PM
I had thought that it would pick up the iso and then read from it as if it were a CD basically
 
no
wait @ArukaJ I search for one of my answers how to do it from Windows
 
I don't have access to Windows
 
You're using macOS, right?
 
yes
the Windows machine I have is effectively toast (for some reason, something got corrupted in the file system somewhere) but I want to wipe it anyway and use the USB to install Ubuntu on that machine
 
2:39 PM
I am typing right now from my Mac
 
Hi Eliah ! :)
 
Hi!
 
@ArukaJ Please follow the tutorial instructions provided by Eliah then. :)
 
I am a little lost on this step with Etcher
why do I need some special writing util if I can just drag the .iso to the drive
 
Why would dragging the .iso to the drive help?
That would copy it to the drive.
 
2:42 PM
@ArukaJ What ? it's that easy to use ...
@ArukaJ because it's simply not the way it works
 
what's the difference between copying it to the USB and "etching" it to the USB?
aren't those both writing data to the USB?
 
@ArukaJ no ... an ISO file is an "image"
 
They're both writing data to the USB drive. Similarly, if you made a .zip file of the ISO and put that on the drive, you would be writing data to the USB drive.
 
@ArukaJ It's the difference between a photograph of a book and the text actually inside the book. If you drag, you're just copying the photograph, and need to 'mount' it to get the data.
Wow. I've been writing too much Spanish lately. Fotograph indeed!
 
well explained terdon
 
2:44 PM
so this is writing the contents of the iso to the USB
 
very interesting documentation (dont let the title fool you) --> youtube.com/watch?v=Fz2HEwEy8rg
 
not the .iso itself
 
yes that is what the etcher tool does : writing the contents of the iso to the USB
 
When you copy the disk image to the drive, the drive contains that disk image file. What you need the drive to contain is the files in the disk image file. You also need it to contain special information at the beginning that tells the computer how to boot from it. By far the easiest way to achieve this is to write it to the drive with something like Etcher or dd.
It is much harder to do it by copying files in the Finder (assuming that is even possible), and copying the ISO to the drive would not even be a step that would be taken if one were to attempt that.
 
@ArukaJ Another possibility is to mount the ISO file and copy the content to the USB drive manually ... then set the boot flag ... etcher does all that for you. :)
 
2:48 PM
how do you set the boot flag?
would be nice to know how to do it manually
currently running etcher so I guess I can compare results
 
@ArukaJ with a tool such like gparted for example
 
could I flash two ISOs to the drive?
 
@ArukaJ no
 
@cl-netbox Are you sure?
 
how do people multiboot from their USB? or are they doing the manual flashing process but differently
 
2:51 PM
@EliahKagan not with etcher ...
 
It can be done though. There's lots of information online on how to do it, including on Ask Ubuntu.
 
there is, I spent like 5 hours reading
and just confusing myself
 
yes ... but with other tools ... not with etcher
 
Yeah. I don't actually know how do it on macOS.
People often use pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator but I don't think you can use that.
 
I don't see Mac options anywhere
so idk
 
2:53 PM
Maybe post a question about it? Depending on what you're trying to do, I'm not sure if Ask Ubuntu or Ask Different would be the better place.
 
a lot of this stuff assumes you are using windows or linux in the first place
 
also @EliahKagan I think that it is better that @ArukaJ first installs ubuntu now ... then he can do other things ... he seems to have very basic knowledge ... we might confuse him with too much information
 
I considered it but decided against it, would almost certainly get closed for being too broad
now it says the disk is not readable by this computer (the MacOSX)
So now I can't view the USB lol
I guess I'll just pop it in the other machine and see what happens
ooo it's doing stuff
 
what shall happen ? there still is only the copied ISO file on your USB
 
it seems to be loading ubuntu now on the old windows machine
 
2:56 PM
@cl-netbox Well the goal of avoiding confusion is one reason I suggested to post a question about that other problem rather than trying to figure it out here. However, if the actual goal is to have a USB flash drive that can be used as a live environment for multiple OSes, I don't think there's necessarily a reason to cover installing Ubuntu first. OTOH with a working Ubuntu system it should be easier to do that... so you may be right.
 
easier having the system working than not working, so probably
 
@ArukaJ Well, if you have a specific problem you are trying to solve, it shouldn't be too broad. Like, if you are trying to write two specific ISO images to a USB flash drive and you say what OSes those are, what the ISO images are called and where you got them, what kind of computers you want to boot them from, and whether or not you need to be able to store data on the USB flash drive separately from them, then that should be sufficiently narrow I think.
 
@EliahKagan yeah, just mentioned it because it is his main goal to install ubuntu :)
 
Makes sense.
@ArukaJ So that's what you wanted, as far as installing Ubuntu is concerned?
Are you trying to install Ubuntu on a Mac or just a PC?
 
well it's one step of possibly many
On my Mac I just VirtualBox all my distros
so that's all fine
 
2:59 PM
Oh. I should've suggested unetbootin.github.io as an alternative to Etcher. I don't know if it is currently capable of creating installation media that is bootable on a Mac (all remotely recent Macs use EFI, but it is not UEFI), but you can definitely use it on macOS to write a USB flash drive that you can then boot on a PC. It sounds like you got the drive successfully written, though.
 
@EliahKagan this tool is known to have issues creating an ubuntu install medium properly
 
@cl-netbox Even for installing on a PC?
Can you provide (or link to) more information about that?
 
@EliahKagan yes ... unfortunately ... I answered many related questions
 
Is it generally accepted practice to encrypt drives?
 
@EliahKagan I have tested it many times ... does not work
 
3:02 PM
I am at the installation screen where I can wipe the pre-existing drive, encrypt, use LVM, etc
 
@cl-netbox I have used Unetbootin many times to write Ubuntu ISO images to USB flash drives that then boot... but it has been some time ago, and I am not sure I have booted them on systems that use UEFI. Is that the problem. Can you link to something that explains the problem, or at least says what it is?
 
if my system is not UEFI (I didn't see any options for it in the BIOS) does this mean I cannot use GPT style partitions and such, instead stuck with MBR / older style?
 
@EliahKagan sorry, don't have a link handy ... all I can say is that the USB doesn't boot on modern EFI based machines ... way back a long time ago unetbootin worked on BIOS machines
 
(do you guys encrypt your home folders)
 
What I really can recommend is to use GNOME disks to create properly booting USB drives @EliahKagan ... of course you have to run a linux system ... :)
@ArukaJ me not :)
 
3:30 PM
installation complete, removed usb, rebooting
ubuntu!
 
@ArukaJ congrats ! :)
 
4:04 PM
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Q: I am signed as root but no root home directory exist, that probably prevents me creating a new user

Eli BorodachI have a problem. When I enter a Ubuntu machine, I see this messages: Could not chdir to home directory /home/root: No such file or directory /usr/bin/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/root/.Xauthority When I make whoami, I receive the answer: root but no directory /home/root exi...

 
4:20 PM
so now that that was successful, is it still possible to flash multiple ISOs to the drive / have other files/contents present too?
now that this ubuntu machine is up I can prob. use the Linux tools now
 
4:46 PM
@ArukaJ nope
I see no point. Only files i have that need to be private is my wireless password and my network is open on the 5Gz range for public usage so nobody needs to use my own network :-P And all other files are backup by someone hosting torrent servers :D
(it is a deal here in the Netherlands: I get a big discount opening my router and I get to use all other routers in the Netherlands. Basically when I am in a town I have free internet)
 
Rinzy ! :) Good evening ! :)
 
Boxy!
 
5:49 PM
@Rinzwind Are you saying no I can't have multiple bootable images or no I can't have images + other random files?
 
 
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6:53 PM
ok lets test if this works.
is any moderator, moderator, moderator around?
fu, with beetlejuice it always worked ...
 
hello\
not a mod but i am a high rep user
 
@Seth youre there? --> askubuntu.com/a/970985/522934dont know what to flag this for, rude and abusive or spam ?
 
@Videonauth my vote is for rude/abusive. it doesn't try to sell anything or get a user to go there
 
so be it :)
 
i would technically say NAA even, but i can see why r/a is valid too
 
6:58 PM
i was so tempted to comment 'Man your rhymes su**!'
 
7:12 PM
@ArukaJ ?? I am saying I do not encrypt
 
hey @NathanOsman, flack overstow appears to be broken
 
I love how YouTube notifies me that the video I'm watching has been uploaded
 
@Videonauth it's not really rude. borderline abusive. but I don't care too much. I deleted it and approved whatever flags were cast.
 
gasp
 
@Seth ok :) at least i could hold myself back from commenting this long
 
7:18 PM
If it's just garbage by a drive by poster I don't really care what flags you use. I'm just going to delete it.
 
phew
 
@KazWolfe Oh boy.
I think I know what happened too.
The app shares an IP address with StackMobile which also uses the SE API.
So when StackMobile reaches its quota, every other SE app on the server is out of luck.
I really just need to sunset StackMobile, methinks.
 
buy more ip addresses! \o/
 
Few are using it and it's draining resources.
@KazWolfe Needs moar moneh.
 
@NathanOsman you can just print it
 
7:24 PM
Only government can do that.
 
hm. i got another call from the "IRS" today
no, banks print money all the time
 
Which country is this?
I want to move there and start a bank.
 
usa
 
@KazWolfe I got an email from TCL
 
well, banks dont print money as much as they update a column in their database that just means you have more money
all of 2007 happened because banks made too much money and assets didn't match, so the system attempted to balance itself.
 
7:26 PM
Ah.
Creating money, not printing money.
Gotcha. Yes, they do that.
 
then just use your "super awesome bank of nathan root" credit card
 
AssBank
 
I was gonna say, they don't print it.
 
@TheWanderer ISWYDT
#BringBackTheGoldStandard
 
no the gold standard is a bad idea
 
7:41 PM
GILDED AGE
 
@KazWolfe What do you propose we back currency with?
 
@NathanOsman ethereum
 
Hmm...
 
the gold standard is bad because you can only split gold so many times, and there is a limited amount of gold
 
Fair point.
 
7:45 PM
scarcity == value though
 
#BringBackTheSilverStandard
:P
 
though cryptocurrencies sort of have the same issue
 
unlimited resources aren't valuable
 
wrong
value is defined by what we agree value is on.
 
which is usually how rare it is
 
7:45 PM
we pretty much universally agree a dollar is a dollar
so then why are video games still sold for $60?
there are an infinite amount of any given video game
 
because the resources needed to make copies of video games aren't infinite
which means neither are video games
 
yeah they are
i can make infinite copies of TF2
 
no, because you need storage
 
no i dont
i have a torrent network
people get their own copies
 
which is others' storage
in any case, that's not retail
 
7:48 PM
correct, but there's still no limit to the amount of times people can grab the file
 
you're thinking about this wrong
 
there's still no cost to create a video game past the initial unit.
 
it costs time, which could be used to make other games
 
but only the first copy costs time
 
not true
people still need to monitor and manage copies, create DRM keys, market the product and manage shipping, security and payments
 
7:50 PM
it costs me no time for someone to download a game from my server
 
it costs you bandwidth there
 
no
the s3 bucket my game is stored in has requester pays on
 
I'm not exactly sure why we're arguing using TF2 as an example
it's a free game
 
either way, while yes, there is a cap, games (or any intangible commodity) are for all intents and purposes infinite
 
your example contradicts your original argument
 
7:54 PM
in a tangible good, my buying a unit means someone else can't buy a unit. if i buy a game on steam, that does not mean that someone else will ever be disallowed from buying that game
@NathanOsman same issue
 
maybe let's just stop
and on an unrelated note, anyone wanna be beta testers for OHM?
 
OHM?
The unit of measurement for electrical resistance?
 
wtf...
my insurance covers acupuncture
why
 
Lol.
 
it also covers chiropractors... :/
 
7:59 PM
lol
@NathanOsman One-Handed Mode
 
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