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Nathan Osman

00:00

nathan@sf:~$ uptime
 19:59:24 up 533 days,  1:02,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.05

edwinksl

533 days wow

Serg

Linux uptime, ladies and gentlemen - that's what made it famous

TheXed

uptime
19:03:00 up 1 day, 23:14, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.54, 0.63

It is really hard though for me, when the power seems to go out all the time here...

Serg

18:04:15 up 4 days, 7:09, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.26, 0.33

I sleep with my laptop on

TheXed

I should check my pi

19:05:01 up 7 days, 27 min, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.12, 0.14

for my pi...

must have been the last time the power went off...

because I never turn it off...

edwinksl

00:07

@TheXed you need a backup power generator! can't let that uptime reset!

Serg

Is there something like a battery bank for raspberry ?

TheXed

UPS would probably be sufficient for a pi...

Serg

Yup, there are backuo batteries for that, 40$

Zacharee1

@RobotHumans thx

@NathanOsman toward a solution that doesn't involve PHP?

@onebree But I have virtual hosts

@onebree and I really don't know how to use that ;P

Anonymous

just something to look into

Zacharee1

00:16

I'll see if I can do anything

TheXed

I just bought 3 of these for the school...

Zacharee1

@TheBrownOne is Scales down?

TheXed

Maybe I can borrow one...

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842301291

Zacharee1

forevar

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Serg

00:25

@ThomasW. Do Linux sysadmins ever go into the system-level of programming ( C/C++) , or is it mostly shell and config files all day long ?

Mateo

@TheBrownOne missed it, weekdays are usually busy...

Anonymous

okay all... Going to leave early for the night (8p). I got more homework than expected done, and am glad.

Zacharee1

kk

@ThomasW. you here?

Seth

@Zacharee1 and jQuery changing serverside things, and that without authentication.

Zacharee1

lol

Well I think I have something, but the embedded PHP script is just displaying as text

Seth

00:37

That's no lol matter.

Zacharee1

I have no idea how to enable it

Seth

jQuery touching anything serverside is bad enough.

Zacharee1

I'm not anymore

I have that environment variable thing onebree suggested

so then I have a PHP script embedded in my page that should import the variables.

Then I have JS import the variables from PHP

but the PHP isn't running

edwinksl

00:56

given that we are all proficient users of cat, this is relevant kittenlang.org

TheXed

what does it mean to remove linux headers?

Thomas W.

@Serg Usually sysadmins don't have to do hard coding/development

never hurts to know generally the programming languages

but the people who do hard coding are more or less considered developers

RobotHumans

it may just be me, but wanting to be a sysadmin is wanting to be an under appreciated guy that nobody knows exists until the world is on fire

Thomas W.

and sysadmins rely more on scripts, shell files, config files, and maybe some scripting languages

@RobotHumans Or, being the person who is silently acknowledged as the IT overlords and experts

because they 'magically make things work'

@Zacharee1 I am now lol

RobotHumans

@ThomasW. heh. that too. one of the fellows i was talking to at some conference was somewhat of the opinion "they can't really do much to people here. i mean, if they nuked some city this week, who would keep all their crap working" ;)

Zacharee1

01:06

@ThomasW. I can't seem to get nginx to process embedded PHP

RobotHumans

btw, i voted for three in the mod elections, and you got one of the votes TW

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 it's not supposed to.

@Zacharee1 nginx isn't designed ot process PHP

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. then how can I do that?

Thomas W.

you need php5-fpm or a php backend

and need to pass those files to PHP

Zacharee1

yeah

Thomas W.

01:06

though they are typically .php files

Zacharee1

I have this there now:

location ~ \.php$ {
                try_files $uri =404;
                fastcgi_split_path_info ^(.+\.php)(/.+)$;
                # NOTE: You should have "cgi.fix_pathinfo = 0;" in php.ini

                # With php5-cgi alone:
                #fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000;
                # With php5-fpm:
                fastcgi_pass unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock;
                fastcgi_index index.php;
                include fastcgi_params;
     }

Thomas W.

which contain a mix of static HTML and PHP

Zacharee1

It still loads the HTML files, but the PHP inside isn't processed

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 the file that has embedded JS and PHP, what's its file extension

Zacharee1

html

Thomas W.

01:07

you just solved your own problem

Zacharee1

if I make it PHP, I just get a blank page

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 then your script doesn't work

Ideally, you're not going to be mixing PHP and JS together just to make something work

Zacharee1

well this isn't ideal

Thomas W.

and quite often it's very VERY difficult to get working properly

@Zacharee1 it sounds like you're trying to do something that is not going to be very 'easy' and will need a developer to make work

Zacharee1

I have environment variable stuff and then JS importing those as its own variables

This is the PHP:

<?php
                                        $dotenv = new Dotenv\Dotenv(__DIR__);
                                        $dotenv->load();
                                        $sk1-1 = getenv(sk1-1);
                                        $sk1-2 = getenv(sk1-2);
                                    ?>

Thomas W.

01:09

i'll bet a dollar that your JS isn't getting the variables

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. well first off, I don't even see a page

Thomas W.

or isn't printing data out

Zacharee1

so let's get that out of the way first if we can

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 youare only giving me snippets

entire pages are necessary

AND

you need a developer, not me.

Zacharee1

sigh

Thomas W.

01:10

I'm not a web developer, I don't know PHP well enough or JS well enough to help you.

I can help on the sysadmin/config side

Zacharee1

no idea why the page won't load though?

Thomas W.

either it's not returning anything printable

or there's an error

and I can't debug either

because i'm on a phone lol

Zacharee1

lemme check the console I guess

it's just blank

Thomas W.

means nothing to me

fastcgi_intercept_errors on;

put that into your PHP block in nginx. reload/restart nginx. check nginx's error.log file for any intercepted errors.

Zacharee1

Where is nginx's error log?

Thomas W.

01:15

/var/log/nginx/error.log is the default one

Zacharee1

thanks

no errors

Thomas W.

@RobotHumans Thank you for the vote of confidence! This is only the primary though - trim the list down to 10 candidates, is the goal of it. Still glad that I have a vote of confidence :)

@Zacharee1 Then what I feared is the case

PHP usually expects to have PHP print data to the page

Zacharee1

so

ded?

Thomas W.

JS wouldn't.

Zacharee1

Well the site is mainly HTML

Thomas W.

01:18

so, your code doesn't work as you intend it to

and

doesn't matter

Zacharee1

argh

would I need to rebuild this page in PHP?

Thomas W.

if you want to use PHP and get it processed, PHP has to be processed through PHP, as .php files straignt through to PHP so it can parse the PHP alongside HTML. Take a look at any existing PHP frameworks - mediawiki themes/templates, phpBB forums, etc.

yes you would

but why you're wanting to do that

without instead taking the security method of doing it the easiest you can and then lock down access via firewall to prevent API key data from leaking

Zacharee1

because I need some way to get these variables securely

Thomas W.

eludes me.

that's not my point

Zacharee1

But I want this site to be accessible eventually

Thomas W.

01:20

then avoid using secured API keys

and only make API calls like that from a trusted client

Zacharee1

But then I lose the whole point of what I'm doing

Thomas W.

11 secs ago, by Zacharee1

But then I lose the whole point of what I'm doing

^ which was never explained

to me, or to anyone here.

so nobody can help you without you trying to explain what you are trying to achieve in the long run

Zacharee1

What I want to have are some public stats about each server

Thomas W.

and the only people who can really help you achieve your goals are developers

Zacharee1

I can't pay for developers ;p

Thomas W.

01:21

well...

i'm beyond my level of expertise

i am not a developer; I'm a sysadmin

and a network/system security person

Zacharee1

meh

Thomas W.

not an applications security developer, nor an app developer.

@Zacharee1 all I can say is: I'd have achieved this a different way, design it so it is not publicly web facing, but behind additional levels of protection

Zacharee1

but how

Thomas W.

and instead, have scripts on my end that I can execute, query a web-facing API, and get JSON back and report that to me in useful output formats on the console

rather than try and have 'secure api keys' stored in site code

as well as have locked down firewall access so only trusted IP sources I use are permitted in

plus HTTPS on the web facing side to prevent MITM snooping on the basic level of API keys or trusted secrets

Zacharee1

I found something

Thomas W.

01:26

but there's a lot of builtins in servers I run or utilities I run that can do that for me

Zacharee1

o-O

Chrome comments out the PHP opening part

Thomas W.

Chrome won't show y0ou the PHP

Zacharee1

with the $dotenv stuff

Thomas W.

the php is parsed by PHP

Zacharee1

exactly

Thomas W.

01:27

no

Zacharee1

that's the issue

Thomas W.

you miss my point

no, that's not the issue. YOu are trying to achieve JS environment variables in a secure manner via PHP, which doesn't work the way you think it does.

Zacharee1

<!--?php
                                        $dotenv = new Dotenv\Dotenv(__DIR__);
                                        $dotenv--->
load();
                                        $sk1-1 = getenv(sk1-1);
                                        $sk1-2 = getenv(sk1-2);
                                    ?&gt;

Thomas W.

JS is processed client side

Zacharee1

Something got screwed up

Thomas W.

01:28

PHP is processed server side

you need to write everything through PHP, in my opinion

so that the server processes things

Zacharee1

I know even less PHP than I know JS

Thomas W.

and then outputs the informaiton you want, thereby 'absorbing' the API key such that the end-user clients reaching the page aren't going to see the key or code unless they do some nontrivial things

@Zacharee1 well, I know this:

there's three options:

Zacharee1

could I convert my JS to PHP or something and have that run instead? would it be able to replace sutff in divs?

Thomas W.

(1) the hyper secure way I approach it.
(2) PHP native
(3) JS native

the first one controls everything in a way that is sane.

Zacharee1

I have #3

Thomas W.

01:30

the second is also relatively secure. the third is insecure.

Zacharee1

#2 could work if I could figure out how to migrate the JS to PHP

#1 is way beyond me

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 beyond the three options I"ve presented, I can't help any further, because I'm not a developer. I also can't explain how to convert code from language to language.

Zacharee1

OK

Thomas W.

that's the limits of my knowledge on the subject

Zacharee1

OK, one more thing

it looks like stuff isn't being passed to PHP

Thomas W.

01:33

unless it's in a .php file

it won't be

you don't pass non-PHP to PHP

that's the logic behind the PHP block in your nginx configuration

so if your page contains HTML, JS, and PHP, you use a .php file

whether it's completely PHP or not

Zacharee1

then I get a blank page

ugh

Thomas W.

because the PHP sections <?php ?> will be processed by PHP

Zacharee1

PHP is annoying

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 because as I explained three times now, you're trying to achieve something that isn't going to work

you either need insecure pure JS

or pure PHP + HTML around it.

Zacharee1

Well now I'm actually trying to fully use PHP

Thomas W.

01:35

now it's a case of trying to debug it. There's Stack Overflow though

Zacharee1

yeah

Thomas W.

they may be able to help if you have written something and it's not working.

or Code Review maybe, but IDK what their requirements/needs are for posts.

Zacharee1

Code Review only takes working code

Thomas W.

ok

@Zacharee1 the more secure code I mentioned?

the one I wrote and developed to report on my servers.

72 hours of debugging, after 360 hours of development

... mostly in Python

... over the course of a year and a half.

Zacharee1

o_O

yay php

So I took all the PHP out and it still shows a blank page

hmm

@ThomasW. I got it to load!

wow Chrome

Thomas W.

01:53

yeah nuking your cache usually helps

or

just use Curl to test things without a cache ;)

or

run Chrome developer mode (F12) and disable cache while in dev mode ;)

Zacharee1

well I had to add a new line to the nginx config

then the php files loaded

I added some PHP to the servers.php file

Thomas W.

been a while since I coded PHP :P

glad to see pages load :)

Zacharee1

and then it went blank, but this time I saw E500 flash in the console log

I have no idea what's going on

Nathan Osman

Any network people around?

We got a new modem / combo router that I plugged into our other router and now I can't access anything on the original router.

Connection goes something like this:

[PC] => [R8000] => [Modem/Router] => Internet

I can only reach [Modem/Router] - nothing on [R8000] is accessible.

The PC has been assigned an unusual IP address as well - outside the subnet for [R8000]...

Serg

Wohoo, i survived my first car drive since returning to the US. We're now stacked with beer and smokes, so i am not going out anywhere untill we run out again @_@

Nathan Osman

02:01

It's like [R8000] did some weird dynamic reconfiguration once I plugged it into the other router.

edwinksl

@Serg they will probably run out in a day or two

Serg

Yeah, beer will run out fast T.T But thr smokes can last a week or two

edwinksl

@Serg can we convince you to quit smoking? ._.

Serg

Nope, probably not

only my gf can do that

Actually she's ok with me smoking. Her dad smokes too ^_^

edwinksl

i am not sure how to ping your gf into AU chat ;)

Nathan Osman

02:04

This is always annoying:

Yes, I'm not stupid. Yes, I know what I'm doing.

edwinksl

@NathanOsman it is probably meant for idiots like me

Serg

Protection from idiots

edwinksl

i would gladly hit the the go back button

Nathan Osman

Do you think the people you are trying to protect the page from are going to be able to find the router's configuration page anyway? Lol, nope.

Serg

It protects the router not the people lol

From their stupidity

Nathan Osman

02:06

I thought it was condescending, but meh.

edwinksl

yeah it is condescending

Seth

dd-wrt @NathanOsman :P

j0h

Im not sure I f i should add my update as a solution to a question. The original issue is solved, but there are still problems.
http://askubuntu.com/questions/787555/compiling-cheese-from-source-fails-to-compile

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman I think you should stay away then :p

Serg

02:24

Time difference between countries is a bummer

I wanna text her and yet not sure if she's busy or not

Zacharee1

@Serg if you're in a relationship, shouldn't you try to keep your comm ports open? :p

Serg

They're open 24_7

edwinksl

no harm trying, at most you get a 503 error

Serg

Ah, the geeky way of explaining relationship stuff. I love it.

edwinksl

that's how we roll here, bruh

Serg

02:32

virtual fist bump, place fist on the screen here

Zacharee1

@Serg there are black patches spreading across my screen now :p

Serg

@Zach did you literally fist bump the screen lol ? I once punched my laptop because of a jumpscare

Zacharee1

@Serg xD

edwinksl

02:47

lol

Zacharee1

03:02

damn you semi-colons!

edwinksl

@Zac what are semicolons? i use python

Zacharee1

...

edwinksl

xD

Zacharee1

im gonna punch your screen

we'll see who's laughing then >:D

edwinksl

._.

Zacharee1

03:03

yesss

.–.

Nathan Osman

Yaaaaaay! Got upgraded to 5 Mbps! \o/

Serg

Public static all the things !!! Im sorry

edwinksl

java heathen

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman o_O

Wild Man

03:27

I am supposed to get home internet installed in my rv trailer friday if nothing goes wrong. I have not had internet except on my cell phone for a year and half when I had my heart attack and lost my house

I am excited to get good internet again

Nathan Osman

@WildMan that will be nice.

Wild Man

it will feel like Christmas

Serg

03:45

Except no stockists . . . . And no weird old guy who crawls through chimneys and steals cookies

Wild Man

@Serg very true

edwinksl

@WildMan does this mean we can look forward to even more participation in AU from you? ;)

Wild Man

I do plan on being around more, if that is okay

I usually stay busy where I do not talk much in chat even when I am in the room

Wild Man

04:16

Good night all I have to get up early again tomorrow

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Strange behaviour on Lenovo Yoga x240 laptop. I must repeatedly press anykey on keyboard immidiately (actually .7s) after select item in boot menu. Otherwise neither keyboard nor trackpoint will not work. Touch screen works. ubuntu 14.10

ubuntu keyboard

edwinksl

@WildMan cya around

Zacharee1

woohoo!

I've got the PHP/JS thing working with callback functions

Nathan Osman

Hooray.

Zacharee1

I just need to figure out how to make the JS work when it's in its own file, and then I can copy it to the rest

should I bother trying to get document.write to work from an external JS?

Nathan Osman

04:31

Well, the ping is still nice and low.

And we now have full IPv6 access \o/

Zacharee1

You really only just got 5mb/s? Why?

edwinksl

i am surprised vancouver has shit internet

Nathan Osman

I'm not in Vancouver.

I used to work in Vancouver and they have excellent Internet.

However, I live in a distant suburb with horrible prices.

Zacharee1

I should really sleep

Zacharee1

04:51

@NathanOsman not so busy now, is it? :p

Nathan Osman

Busy?

Zacharee1

You were remarking on how busy the chat was a while back

Nathan Osman

No, it's not now.

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Zacharee1

yay, I'm up late enough to see the spam!

Nathan Osman

04:57

We must be waaaaaaaaaaaaay past your bedtime.

Zacharee1

it's 1AM here

Nathan Osman

Okay. Fine. It's 1am there.

That's fairly normal for me.

I consider it an early night if I'm in bed before then.

:D

Zacharee1

05:21

o_O

^ literally how my eyes are because of fatigue :p

I really want to get this to work, but I need to sleep

I think I'll sleep

@ThomasW. Ha! I did it!

gloats in a corner

Nathan Osman

06:04

@fossfreedom when is your membership IRC meeting?

I'll be there if I am able.

edwinksl

06:29

has it already happened? wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#Membership_Candidates

Edity

scribble

Nathan Osman

He added himself to the list June 2 which would have been the day of the meeting.

I think he's going for the next one.

Also, if he was accepted, I think they would have removed his name from the page.

Edity

06:47

Scrummy

in Root Access, 3 mins ago, by Edity

For my next computer build I will RAID 24 SSD's

Rinzwind

07:03

@Zacharee1 how's the Jquery going?

Edity

heh

Rinzwind

smokey!

Edity

@SmokeDetector You restarted?

Rinzwind

what the fraq

Edity

@SmokeDetector Lets do some work. :D

Rinzwind

07:04

reviews are up at 300.

Edity

@Rinzwind he restarted.

Nathan Osman

Every time I reflash CM, it takes Android nearly half-an-hour to "optimize apps". And people wonder why I dislike Java...

Rinzwind

no that was towards the wannabemods :=)
reviews went from 600-ish to 280 during the election period >:)

Edity

@NathanOsman wow it took me 2 minuits

Nathan Osman

You have 137 apps installed?

Edity

07:09

No

Nathan Osman

Then it's not a good comparison :D

Edity

oh

I just you know reset the mobile device...

Rinzwind

I see an easy solution >:) dont flash CM

Edity

Y?

@Rinzwind

Nathan Osman

@Rinzwind I'm on the nightlies so... doing it often is kinda the point.

Anyway, it's nearly 12:15am here. Time to head to bed early.

Edity

07:12

pm*

or is it am?

@NathanOsman Good night (or morning)

Rinzwind

@NathanOsman no you will stay and keep us company

Edity

@Rinzwind everyone needs a good nights sleep

Rinzwind

@Edity no. he is a mod. mods need to work.

Edity

@Rinzwind what if mods don't get sleep? They become a under-slept zombie. Do you want that?

Rinzwind

hmm, that'll be fun yes :D

Edity

07:20

@Rinzwind If you don't sleep for 2 weeks you will die.

Rinzwind

I am almost there. Haven't slept a good night since last friday

Edity

O_O

@Rinzwind What I will recommend to you: sleep now. and until tomorrow.

grooveplex

OMG you guys

what did my eyes just read

"Everything except Earth should now be fixed. Earth is being handled separately, and will hopefully be refreshed soon."

Edity

what?

grooveplex

That means: Issue 596074 in chromium: The repository is insufficiently signed by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 (weak digest)

is fixed!

Edity

07:31

@grooveplex put more digestive juices into it

(get my joke)

edwinksl

@grooveplex google finally got its shit together

grooveplex

ha ha

Edity

ha ha ha

grooveplex

ha ha ha ha

I'm so excited to try it out

Edity

@edwinksl what was google thinking, making a deal with CM $1bil

"BOOM! Rejected!"

Nathan Osman

07:40

Ubuntu Touch is coming to the OnePlus 3!

Edity

YAY

Nathan Osman

@Mateo looks like I'll have a convergence phone too :)

Edity

(Sorry! Stupid comment removed!)

I have a question: How can I delete my stackexchange profile?

Ferrybig

@Edity Use the contact me link under the page, or if you haven't voted on that website, there is a link in your profile settings

Edity

thx. I'm thinking of saying adios and goodbye

Ferrybig

07:46

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Edity

welp, after 2 months I kiss stackexchange goodbye

Farewell

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