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i wonder why a minecraft server would be also referred to as spigot - those don't seem to have anything in common

@Serg probably because its competitor is named bukkit.

now how a minecraft server relates to a bucket is a question for the ages..

@Seth I wouldn't really call it competition anymore

\ (-___-) / I'll stick with not knowing that . . it's too complicated

Since Spigot supports both Craftbukkit and Bukkit plugins, it's kind of the top choice

@Serg knowing what?

12:26 AM

all those fancy words for minecraft servers, buckets, and faucets . . .

lol

Bukkit was (I think) the first Minecraft server variant that supported the use of plugins, which added to the gameplay without the client needing to install anything besides Minecraft

think vanilla modding

Then Craftbukkit came along, which is a fork of Bukkit, and I guess it just has some implementations and features that people wanted, but Bukkit never implemented.

I think Spigot was next

Spigot's nice because it supports both Bukkit and and Craftbukkit plugins, along with the ones made for it

PaperSpigot is a fork of Spigot that has some fixes and workarounds for implementations of non-normal features

It's buggy, though, so not many people use it. It's also hard to find

MCPC was a neat thing that let people have a hybrid Forge and Bukkit server

it went up to 1.4.7

Cauldron came along and picked up from where MCPC left off

KCauldron is a variant of Cauldron (not sure of the difference)

Cauldron received some sort of DMCA complaint or something and stopped development after 1.7.10 :(

When that happened, a new project called Sponge popped up, which supported 1.8. It's still in beta, but I use it and it's not bad

Sponge has two variants: Vanilla and Forge

Vanilla is just competition against Spigot and such

Forge is closer to Cauldron

The problem with Sponge is that it needs its own special plugins (I guess to avoid the DMCA issues)

However, there is some sort of API/framework that lets you install Bukkit plugins to both Vanilla and Forge Sponge, but it's really hard to setup, as far as I've tried.

It is only Bukkit, but that's still something, if you can get it set up

This is what I know. It may not all be correct.

@Serg

But . . . none of these servers are "official" right ? They're not by mojang , right ?

No

But they are legal

OK . . .

Except for Cauldron

12:41 AM

well, so far i've only played with the official server

@Serg You should get Spigot

plugins are fun!

Join my server (and ignore my shameless advertising) and see for yourself

@Zacharee1 sure, what's the IP

xpw1.no-ip.org

@Zacharee1 probably not joining any time soon . . .my client just gets stuck on mojang's logo . . .

how long do you wait?

12:50 AM

usually not this long . . .i've killed it and restarted, but it still gets stuck for more than minute

Try 1.8.8 instead of 1.8.9

There we go, it started . . . finally

Aaaand logging in takes forever

got stuck, killed it again

You might want to delete .minecraft and start over

eh, next time . . .

ok

1:12 AM

Anyone know of a good place to get a cheap, but fair-sized mSATA drive?

Finally ! The converter for PS/2 to USB arrived and I finally can use the super comfy keyboard i got in good will with my laptop

You want to use a PS/2 keyboard?

Yes . . . I found this emachines keyboard in goodwill for like 5$ . . . Super comfy, light, keys spaced quite well, and not flat but with slopes on the sides. The problem was that it's PS/2 . . . I could use it with my desktop . . . but 90% of the time I use my laptop . . .

@Serg active or passive?

You're not going to be playing any Minecraft or other games on it, but it sounds nice for work :)

1:17 AM

@Zacharee1 some old keyboards are actually quite good

and I doubt its mechanical

@JourneymanGeek i don't quite understand what do you mean by passive or active

@JourneymanGeek the problem with PS/2 to USB (and maybe PS/2 in general) is that you can't do multiple key presses at once. For example, ctrl + w to sprint doesn't work in Minecraft with a PS/2 to USB adapter

@Zacharee1 I just might start using it for a lot of things. I just played with it in vim . . .not bad, quite not bad. Of course it's old, so it's not that quiet, but I love it so far

@Serg is it a green piece of plastic or a little box?

@Zacharee1 being able to do NKRO is why ~~hipsters~~ many people prefer PS/2

Ps2 is higher on the irq

1:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek I guess not many have it then, or all my PS/2 keyboards are terrible :p

I need a cheap monitor to keep here at school, so I can have more workspace

@JourneymanGeek I've got a green small ps/2 to usb connector first time around, but it didn't work. This time i got a USB wire that goes into a small plastic box with two PS/2 connectors on the other side

So yeah, this one is active

Also putting Opera into full screen made my Unity glitch, so had to restart it

lol

wai u yuse unity

Um . . . because I am in the Unity phase right now. I have desktop phases. In November I had blackbox phase. I was just using blackbox, learned some of it's
controls , been using it for days

GNOME GNOME GNOME GNOME

gnome

I've gnome phases too . . . but not right now

1:31 AM

ew gnome

gnome has one small advantage over unity - instead of taking up two sides of the screen ( the launcher and top panel ) it takes up only one, and notification tray is hidden . Otherwise, they're equally equal to me

sudo mv serg+laptop.txt bed/

I just got the chat alert for extended discussions in comments under a 1rep user's question

has something changed?

wut ?

You know when you're in a troubleshooting discussion in the comments under a question, and the message pops up asking if you want to move it to chat?

No, it will allways display that even when they cant chat

1:40 AM

@Mateo it's never displayed for me before unless the person has 20+ rep

Huh, maybe

@Zacharee1 that does tend to happen, i don't think it checks whether your discussion is with a low-ranking user or not . . .

Would be nice to have like a permanent option though

it's gone now....

Like once you reach 15 or 10k should be able to move discussions to chats

Pray to the server gods it all runs smoothly

But then how will the 1 rep user chat?

1:47 AM

They won't . . . Like I said, I don't think the system checks who posts in the comments

That's why you typically need to ask mod for a room with low-rep user

1:59 AM

k

Xieerqi

Yup, that's me

How do you pronounce that?

Oh man. That was the worst commute home ever.

@NathanOsman sounds fun

@NathanOsman the joys of traffic ?

Q: Is my Hardware Compatible with Major distro's

2:05 AM

^

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Hardware : Motherboard - ASUS rampage 5 extreme Cpu - Intel i7 skylake quad core Storage - Samsung ssd Memory - crossair vengeance 16gb Graphic card - Msi gforce gtx 980 Focused on running Ubuntu , Mint or Arch if I have time to install it

@UbuntuQuestionsonU&L just go find out. seriously -.-

@Serg The bus was really late (so I'm standing out in the cold) and then when it gets to the stop, it's full.

So then I had to wait for the next bus.

Not fun.

Joking of course

@NathanOsman :D if you're into extreme sports , you could try riding on the roof - that part is always free

...and this was one of those bus drivers that doesn't believe in slow acceleration or braking.

So I had to hang on fairly tight.

@Serg I think my hands were numb at that point so there wouldn't have been anything to hold on with :P

2:08 AM

@Seth we should have a counter how many times this type of question has been asked . . . or a drinking game . . . or a bingo . . . .

2

If it runs off electricity, it can run Linux.

5

@NathanOsman well, at least you got home, safe and sound :) that outweighs the inconvenience

I bet even a gas-powered computer could run Linux.

4

@Serg Yes, that's always nice.

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman You mean like an embedded system in a car? Yes they can.

Correction: If it has a board + CPU , it can run Linux

2:10 AM

I'm tired, so I'm star-spamming

@Serg Like a 2x4?

@hbdgaf I meant something that uses electrons from atoms in gas molecules to perform binary arithmetic, but yeah - same idea :P

lol

(I'm tired too :P)

pfft

@NathanOsman I can imagine

2:11 AM

Anyway, time for supper.

kk

@Zacharee1 2x4 wood board ? Lol, I am very much sure one could solder up a motherboard on a wooden board . . . in fact do you guys know why breadboard is called breadboard ? Because back in the day, electrical engineers literally had to solder parts on bread boards, the ones used for cutting bread . . .

Yep

I would just draw with graphite for the wires :p

What if someone were to erase the graphite ? you have to retrace the connections till you find the line erased . . .too troublesome

You're making a computer on a breadboard. How smart can you actually be?

2:14 AM

and why do i want to write "erase" with two r ?

tired? Ukrainian? who knows?

:p

Mystery of the universe :p

I am chatting with a rep 3 user now. hm...

aha

118 rep on SO

hbdgaf

all the closeboats askubuntu.com/questions/718377/i-need-the-best-video-editor

@hbdgaf already done

that was soo five minutes ago

2:27 AM

@NathanOsman Vancouver doesn't have one of those fancy rail thingys that are so popular these days?

It's probably just me, but this guy is making no sense: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/33999/…

it seems off-topic because he seems to be doing java

user139252

@NathanOsman I'll go pick you up, just wait about 20 hours

hbdgaf

@Zacharee1 too many buzzwords. if you're basically using all those different things, you should be able to solve your problem. sounds like trolling to me.

@HeatherBrown that's so me with my chinese friends . " Hey come to diner, we've got dumplings " - " Sure just let me book the flight to Beijing "

@HeatherBrown how moist is the climate in Cali ?

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Q: No menu for VNC view

Problem: I have a VPS on linode that installed ubuntu 14.04. In the Real VNC viewer on my local machine, I see a screen like this. The problem is, although I can navigate the file system in this window, my mouse pointer is a big X and I can't use it to drag the "places" window. I think there sho...

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@Seth LRT?

We've got something even more high-tech - the SkyTrain.

@Serg They're in a drought. What do you think? :p

@Zacharee1 OK, not moving there, will consider some other place then . . .

It's a double-edged sword. On the one hand, the system is fully automated - no drivers in the vehicles. On the other hand, we've had a remarkably unusual series of breakdowns during the last year.

@Serg 4+ year drought, so...

2:41 AM

One of them was caused by a faulty modem.

@NathanOsman dun dun dun

like the start of a horror movie

So does anyone have any idea what that person was talking about?

@NathanOsman yeah, something like that.

user139252

@Serg I live in the desert section, so it's pretty dry. We've had rain the last couple of days, but it all dried up today

@Seth Well, it depends which direction you're heading. I live near the southern tail of the rail line and my employment is directly west of where I live so I'm stuck with the bus.

:/

2:44 AM

But the train works well for going downtown.

As long as it doesn't break down :(

lol

i wanna make some tea but too relaxed to get out of bed . . .

@Serg then you don't need tea :p

@Zacharee1 but i keep coughing, i need tea

@Serg "logic"

2:45 AM

@Zacharee1 "Logic ?" That's a word I haven't heard in a looong time . . .

lol

These are not the logics you're looking for

May the logic be with you

There I've exhausted my star wars + logic puns . . .

user139252

@Serg if you go up to Northern Cali, where I will be moving in two years, it's pretty most

double sigh

user139252

San Fran is pretty moist, but I hate trying to navigate around there

2:47 AM

@HeatherBrown OK . . . I guess I'll put SF on my list of cities to visit

user139252

You should check out San Diego, too. Humid, not too crowded the way SF is, and comic-con

@Serg where are you now?

@Zacharee1 Colorado, Denver. I honestly love this state. The hasn't been a day I haven't been amazed at how beautiful it is, the mountains, the sky, the people are quite nice ( at least the percentage of nice drivers was higher before all the marijuana legalization jazz ). But i am starting to think the climate doesn't quite fit me, because I am pretty much having issues with my nose ever since i have moved here in 2007

The Mile High City, eh?

I haven't really been to Colorado much

2:57 AM

@NathanOsman yessir, the Mile High City, home of the Broncos

user139252

It's probably the altitude messing you up

user139252

Means my city would probably also be bad for you, I live on a summit

Could be that . . . I grew up in a city that has lower elevation, more flat landscape, no mountains in sight and moister climate ( due to the Black sea in the south probably )

Getting all philosophical and dreamiy about moving around and what I'm going to be doing in future lol

Silly me . . .need to graduate first . . .

user139252

I want to become a bohemian vagabond D=

user139252

My writing would probably improve, might even actually get published

3:13 AM

My writing won't get published, probably, because mostly it consists of college essays , also homework and essays I've done for my friend ( which won't get published ever ), and diaries . . . Diaries might get published as historical material 200 years from now . . . and only for local history . . .

3:23 AM

@Serg You need a bedroom replicator like Picard. "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot".

hey, one of my bug reports made the Meta Stack Exchange newsletter.

@Seth sure, i'd love one of those . . . But we have to wait a few decades first . . . considering that we have 3D printing already, wait till we get 3D cooking . . . or rather 3D microwaves . . . In any case, by the time they come around , we'll come up with a decent name :)

@NathanOsman that would still technically run off of electricity.. unless you literally mean "run off gas", although that kind of goes against computing in general..

How about cleaner , renewable sources of energy ? Here's a pitch of an idea - solar powered devices running Linux . . .

hamster powered server ._.

@Serg pretty sure that's already been done. Dunno about wind or hydro though.

3:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek uptime would be kind of short though

random trivia: I live in one of the states with the most sources of renewable energy in the union.

huh. actually, according to energy.gov it is the leader in renewable energy.

unless we could swap the hamsters to keep the server running . . .

@Serg redundant array of inquisitive rodents?

or use em to charge a battery

@JourneymanGeek Charging battery sounds like a better idea, something like what car alternator + battery do

I have a lot of LEDs left over ._.

@Serg yes!

you could use a standard li-ion or li po cell/charger

or go for a catwheel

or

instructables.com/id/Hamster-Wheel-Standing-Desk

3:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek OMG , somebody needs to show this to Linus Torvalds ! He has a zombie walker - threadmill with a desk and computer

this is awesome

but me being the lazy bastard would probably prefer kotatsu

lol

I'm a big fan of a pair or trio of A frames and a slab of wood like material

oh and yoga balls

but mine's borked

so i just have a ikea chair covered in old worn out army uniforms.

I'm supposed to return them but the damned things are too damned comfy

I've an allergy for Ikea things - I've been installing Ikea when my buddy was moving, and multiple pieces of furniture for my other friend . . . Not only they make the design not obvious, but also the amount of screws and pins is just . . . too much . . .

@Serg meh, its cheap and comfy

yes, but pain in the butt to assemble . . .and I'm not the one who's enjoying the cheap and comfy part, but all the assembling jazz is mine

secretlab.sg/products I kinda want one of these but only if I had the $$

lol

I love assembling stuff

also ikea A frames are ace for the sort of desks I prefer

3:59 AM

Those look like gaming chairs

Life goals : have a house with minimum of furniture and mimimum crap . . .

Friends, Please Tell T-Mobile’s CEO About EFF.

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lol

My room is my den. Its vaguely organised chaos

Mine is completely disorganized chaos.

Q: How do I remove the long name given to my internet connection?

btw, interesting Q:

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The other day my computer randomly started displaying the full name of my ethernet controller as you can see here: I'm fine with it saying Ethernet Controller like it used to but having the whole name including my motherboard is a bit overkill and makes the dialog huge. My question is how do...

networking internet network-manager

Right now I am iterating through bias lighting designs

4:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek Nice.

4:31 AM

@NathanOsman and super cheap ;p

@SmokeDetector Only two flags from AU users? I am disappoint.

@JourneymanGeek nice!

I really really need to get a second monitor.

4:54 AM

This looks good.

The e-book is $45 though.

I would have expected it to be cheaper.

$43.19 on Amazon.

Q: How to use mail to send an email to my friend?

@NathanOsman It's O'Reilly.

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Firstly, I use command apt-get install mailutils on my Ubuntu14.04 system, and the terminal shows a dialog "Postfix Configuration", I choose the first option "no configuration", and then I try to use mail command, like 'mail -s "andy" zhaoxiong888@126.com < /home/andy/test/hello.txt to send a ema...

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5:42 AM

Does anyone know if there's an animated GIF of that somewhere?

The image above was grabbed via screen capture and looks ugly.

Aha!

Not animated, but the original is in:

/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/artwork/spinner@30.png

I can easily animate that across 5 or 6 frames.

6:19 AM

The flashes around the edge are weird...

7:08 AM

@Mateo You might be interested in this.

It's an idea I hatched earlier today.

We'll see where it goes.

9:30 AM

@Serg noob = "rep 1", so no, not you!

@NathanOsman There are no flashes around the edges: that's an optical illusion!

(cover the spinning wheel with your fingers)

so depending on the background you'll "see" them or not.

On a white background or if the gig uses a transparent one, you won't "see" anything! ;-)

On the light grey here in the chat, you can "see" it...

10:24 AM

I only know learned about steam refund policy

@JourneymanGeek What is the application on the right screen?

@blade19899 ttrss on firefox

LibreOffice has no support for Google Drive

@JourneymanGeek Tiny Tiny RSS Watcher?

Ubuntu 14.04 LibreOffice 4.2.7 also LibreOffice 4.2.7 and later from ppa https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa Steps to Reproduce: 1) Select check box: Tool -> Options -> General -> Open/Save Dialog - Use LibreOffice dialog 2) Open: File -> Open... 3) Click "Server" in the top right corner of the dialog. 4) Select "CMIS" in the drop-down list "Type" The drop-down list "Type Server" has not the item "Google Drive". I was expecting LibreOffice to be built with --with-gdrive-client-id --with-gdrive-client-secret and Google Drive is available. Methods work around: 1) setup with the site LibreOffice. 2) Buid with flags --with-gdrive-client-id --with-gdrive-client-secret independently. but it is very annoying :(

libreoffice (Ubuntu)

Wishlist / Triaged

^ works for me on Windows but not on Ubuntu. Shame

@blade19899 I run a full ttrss instance on my dedi

@JourneymanGeek I use Liferea for RSS.

10:39 AM

@blade19899 I need/want to be able to access this from many different devices

and this should, in theory, sync with liferea

@JourneymanGeek Ah yeah. Don't know allot of cross platform feed reader

you could throw this on something like a rpi or a NUC

but I rent a (cheap) dedi, so i just throw this on

The theme's the 'night' theme, modded not to have monochrome images

10:55 AM

> "The Ubuntu Software Center might be going away, but that’s not stopping the Ubuntu developers from updating it. A fresh update has been released, but only for the Ubuntu 16.04 LTS daily build, at least for now." - Ubuntu Software Center Just Got a Massive Update on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

Now they update it. When Its already been decided that Gnome Software Will Replace it.

fossfreedom

@blade19899 given the changelog stating they have reworked this to support python3 ... looks like gnome-software will be not worked on for Unity. Makes sense since gnome-software was always just written from a .rpm perspective and alot of work would need to be done to write a plugin and make it work from a .deb perspective.

@fossfreedom honestly put: I don't care. I 99.99 percent of the time, use the terminal. When the Gnome Software is gonna be released, that Is not gonna change. Gonna try it for a min or two, fired up the good old Gnome Terminal.

fossfreedom

11:11 AM

yep - me too. Though I do see my kids use it ... so it makes sense from a newbie - non expert level to have an app that is vaguely similar to a software app like they see on their phone.

@fossfreedom Yeah that's true. Noob friendly apps on Ubuntu is a must.

user136984

@Fabby: Oh! I almost didn't recognize you with your new profile picture! :D

@ParanoidPanda My new avatar made me think of you! :D :D :D

user136984

:D

(not really... When I saw it, I just had to change it)

11:14 AM

Hhhmm after upgrading 16.04, Ubuntu Software Center displays version number 15.12 :/

user136984

@blade19899: Shouldn't it be 16.01?

@ParanoidPanda It should. Rebooting as we speak...

Hmmm, still 15.12 :/

cl-netbox

Good morning :)

@blade19899 It was compiled in December?

(and gets its information from the compiler, bot from the dates of the files?)

@cl-netbox o/

user136984

@cl-netbox: Morning! :)

cl-netbox

11:19 AM

@Fabby ... Fabby the wise man ... icon fits reality ! :D

@ParanoidPanda Good morning ! :)

@Fabby According to the history from the Ubuntu Software Center, 16.01 was installed. So, yeah fabby, you're probably right.

How can I display the installed history from commandline?

@blade19899 define "installed history"

@Fabby Open The Ubuntu Software Center, click on the History button, then select the installations tab, and that's where it is displays.

Basically, some thing like this:

> apt-get history installations

> apt-get history updates

> apt-get history removals

it's in /var/log

let me look it up...

user136984

@blade19899: It should all be in the log. :)

Q: Show apt-get installed packages history via commandline?

11:27 AM

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Is there a way to show the history of installed packages that were installed by apt-get via commandline?

apt history

Found ti

@blade19899 3 seconds faster then me!

@Fabby Damn right. You getting old man

@blade19899 Hey; I knew it was in /var/log...

I would have found it without an Internet connection 3 seconds later then you...

@Fabby Yeah, that's true.

so maybe old, but not decrepit (yet)!

:D

11:30 AM

I thought there was a dedicated app for history

@Fabby No, not yet. xD

user136984

@blade19899 @Fabby: And if I hadn't been so lazy, I could have found it 3 seconds earlier than the both of you! :P

@ParanoidPanda you could, but, you didn't.

Ugh, if the gedit dashboard("A Dashboard for new tabs") doesn't work, don't make it available.

Tried it out on 16.04, still no work.

@ParanoidPanda And the result is: you didn't

I miss this feature:

user136984

@Fabby: Yeah, neither did you! :P

A: Show apt-get installed packages history via commandline?

11:37 AM

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I find this one better: add custom fun in ~/.bashrc ### pars for fun: install | remove | rollback function apt-history(){ case "$1" in install) grep 'install ' /var/log/dpkg.log ;; upgrade|remove) ...

AWESOME ANSWER!

@ParanoidPanda I did!

user136984

@Fabby: Well, you didn't actually say which log it was... :P

user136984

Anyway, I have a joke for you all that probably most of you won't understand! :P

user136984

@ParanoidPanda Nope, we don't understand

user136984

11:41 AM

@blade19899: It's funny though! :D

user136984

@Fabby: Could you translate it for them? I need to go and do some work now... :)

user136984

Ah, well, it's not that long so I suppose I could...

user136984

Translation of main text: "Millions of Russian citizens are being held hostage by a terrorist organization called 'Extended Holidays'".

user136984

Translation of what the man is saying: "Let me go to work"

user136984

@blade19899: So? Or has it lost its humour during the translation process? :D

user136984

11:47 AM

I always get a little bit worried when I say something... And then the room falls silent! :D

I was doing something else

Only saw it now.

Most Russian jokes do not translate well...

In that case you need to know:

1/ All of Russia is closed between 31st Dec and Jan 10th

2/ some people in Russia find that annoying and would rather work as they're not paid during this time

3/ Some people are bored

4/ It's ironical.

And only then is it funny (and a joke is never funny if you have to explain it) @ParanoidPanda

user136984

@Fabby: Yeah, I think with my translation, and your detailed analysis, we killed the joke! :D

user136984

@Serg: Do you like the joke at least? :D

Byte Commander

1:25 PM

Hey @Fabby! Any specific reason why you exchanged the Vorlon with a facepalm? Or just a general feeling? :D