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Seth

00:08

this has got to be a duplicate somewhere..

0

when I want to install ubuntu alongside win 8 in my lenovo g500s in the installation page this shows that there is free space of 1tb and not the windows partitions.

Serg

00:31

@Seth that firewall question is a dupe, VTC. Already voted there myself

@Seth that win8 question is possible duplicate of askubuntu.com/q/221835/295286

Zacharee1

@Seth I THINK IT IS

(aren't caps fun)

Serg

@Zacharee1 caps are fun . . . and they make people look like they're shouting

Zacharee1

00:48

Yes

That's why I hate it when that's the title of a question

It makes it seem like the person thinks they're more important than the rest of the people asking questions, so they try to get more attention, like "HEY, LOOK AT ME!"

I generally edit then ignore questions like that here :p

Seth

01:06

@Serg eh, maybe.

I think the issues are related, but different.

@Serg which?

Serg

@Seth The one that asks about Settings / Administration / Firewall . . . looks like they hav3e deleted their answer already after i pointed out it's a dupe , because i cannot find it on the unanswered page

Seth

ohh, that one.

Nathan Osman

Weird - the middle-mouse button has suddenly stopped working in Blender.

Zacharee1

Lol

Nathan Osman

Hrm... on second thought...

I'm not sure it's working anywhere.

Zacharee1

01:14

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Nathan Osman

Yup, no change.

:(

Maybe I do need a new mouse after all.

Zacharee1

I can share a link for a really nice $25 one

Nathan Osman

Sure - why not :P

This is the one that stopped working the other day when I knocked it across the desk.

A few whacks and it was working again for a few days.

Zacharee1

lol

Here, I can only find it used for some reason: amazon.com/…

Seth

/me can only stand wireless mice :(

Nathan Osman

01:18

Yeah, I'd go with wireless.

Zacharee1

sigh

Nathan Osman

How does it work on Ubuntu by the way?

Is it easy enough to program the buttons?

Seth

This isn't the 1990s :P

@NathanOsman xbindkeys ftw.

(i.e. super easy)

Nathan Osman

No idea why messages are double-posting, BTW.

Mateo

that happens to me on low connection sometimes

Nathan Osman

01:22

Argh. whoopsie is uploading something.

Killed.

Thomas W.

sounds like a crash somewhere :P

Nathan Osman

It probably was.

But I only get 256 Kbps up so that's not going to happen.

@ParanoidPanda C++, using Qt.

Zacharee1

01:37

32KB up? yeesh

Serg

02:07

rename command is starting to pi$$ me off

rename 's/example\/YOLO/g' example1.java example2.java example3.java
/bin/mksh: rename: syntax error

Ravan

o/

Serg

Oh, mksh has a rename builtin . . .

@RAvan o/

kos

@Serg That's because you're escaping the separator! :D

@Ravan o/

Serg

@kos no, because i am using mksh

escaping separator was my moment of desperation

Ravan

@kos o/

Serg

02:10

mksh has rename builtin

i have to specify full path to /usr/bin/rename to use that

Ravan

@Seth yay---corrected

kos

@Serg Ah. O.o

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: mount namespace not work in ubuntu whether 15.04 or 14.04

For this post: Why is my bind mount visible outside its mount namespace? It gave unshare example, it not work in ubuntu. I tried on ubuntu 15.04, with util-linux 2.25, I tried mount --make-private -o remount / and another shell still can see the output $ ls b foo Also unshare seems not have...

ubuntu namespace

Seth

@Ravan =)

Zacharee1

03:28

EEHEHEHEHEEEEHHEHEHEHHEHEHEHe

Had to put something

Ravan

@HeatherBrown What should I do now?

@Zacharee1 o/

kos

@Zacharee1 Ah, the ol' awkward silence in the chat room. :D

Serg

03:53

Silence in the chatroom ? OK, lets spice it up with some all-caps

OLD MACDONALD HAD A COW, E-YA-E-YA-YO

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Skin Care Methods For Swimmers by xinglee on askubuntu.com

Serg

Google Ending Support For 32-Bit Chrome For Linux, Debian 7 And Ubuntu 12.04

"To provide the best experience for the most-used Linux versions, we will end support for Google Chrome on 32-bit Linux, Ubuntu Precise (12.04), and Debian 7 (wheezy) in early March, 2016," says Pranke.

Chrome will still work on the aforementioned platforms, but it won't get new updates and security fixes.

xiaodongjie

@Serg Hi, o/

Serg

@xiaodongjie hello, my friend. How are you today ?

xiaodongjie

@Serg fine, and you? Oh, I wrote an answer for bounty +100. :D

I think that my answer is very useful for him and AU users.

Serg

04:06

@xiaodongjie I'm alright. Today staying home, drinking tea. Avoid getting sick. Tomorrow have exam.

@xiaodongjie which question ? Let me see

xiaodongjie

4

Q: Upstart process listed as stop/waiting

I have this upstart script When I run: sudo start poxa it starts the process but when I run: initctl list it shows me that is is stop/waiting but when I check ps aux | grep poxa it show the process. And, as expected, when I try to stop it: sudo stop poxa it returns: stop: unknown instance: # U...

scripts upstart services

@Serg please have a nice weekends. :D

Serg

:) I will try

xiaodongjie

with drinking good tea.

Serg

@xiaodongjie 我一个好朋友带了普洱茶饮给我，她这个秋天回了国，订婚了。一月准备结婚了。。。哎，好可惜。。。

xiaodongjie

@Serg Do you have a girl friend? You told about your GF? :O

Ravan

04:17

@Serg Hmmm...

@xiaodongjie o/

Serg

@xiaodongjie nope, i don't. I used to like one girl but she doesn't like me, only be friends

Ravan

@Serg any idea at dependency problems?

[elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/3388/…

xiaodongjie

@Serg yes, she is a girl, So she is your friend who a girl. I meant right that.

:)

@Ravan are you an EOS's fan?

Ravan

define "fan"

xiaodongjie

yes, i meant that you very like to use EOS?

Ravan

04:22

@xiaodongjie simply NO

Serg

@xiaodongjie yeah, she's my friend. But i like her more than just friend.

Ravan

I use Ubuntu as main, rest as testing (whatever suits)

xiaodongjie

@Serg and i wish her more and more like you.

Ravan

@Serg yeah, I know that feeling :P

Serg

@xiaodongjie 就是她准备结婚。我没机会了

xiaodongjie

04:25

@Serg yes, ;(

@Ravan did you pass the feeling, too?

Ravan

yes

xiaodongjie

@Ravan oh, :( me, too.

Ravan

@Serg hey man, typing in Chinese

hehe

xiaodongjie

@Ravan 你好？

Ravan

@xiaodongjie hello there

Once I proposed a girl, my junior--she said " I don't have that FEELING"

Serg

04:27

@Ravan i prefer talking in Chinese to Chinese people. Good practice for me

Ravan

Stii don't know meaning of FEELING

=)

Damm

@Serg :D

Serg

Ravan, we can try something , but i am not qualified to deal with depends issue

AB is way better at that

xiaodongjie

@Ravan @Serg and me are all poor for LOVE. :P

Ravan

Well, Serg.

Its a very odd to deal with dependency issues,

Its a never ending chain, sometimes

Serg

@xiaodongjie :p that needs time

xiaodongjie

04:29

:D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Anti Aging Skin Care Treatment Products? by takawaert on askubuntu.com

Serg

日久见人心

Ravan

@xiaodongjie hehe

yeah, may be

Serg, learned python?

completed/on the way?

xiaodongjie

@Ravan are you learning python?

Serg

Python ? Nope . I'm only on the hello world program

Ravan

04:32

just started--but gave a break @xiaodongjie

xiaodongjie

I was a python developer for RedHat's anaconda. :P

Ravan

@xiaodongjie good to know

xiaodongjie

But now i'm a Ubuntu Member. I dont like RedHat now.

Ravan

Will you write a script for my post

xiaodongjie

about it?

Ravan

04:34

nope

[elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/3354/…

Can you delete the Q--

post in "inline"

Serg

@xiaodongjie O_O you've been a python developer for Red Hat ? wow, you are awesome !

Ravan

@Serg are you following "Hard way"?

xiaodongjie

@Serg heh, not in Red Hat member. Just customizer :)

@Ravan Eos's dock is plank, right?

Serg

@Ravan I've tried couple of scripts from that book, but I stopped and didn't continue, because of lack of time

Ravan

@xiaodongjie yes

Serg

04:37

After tomorrow , I will have a lot of time, so I plan to start learning a lot of stuff

Ravan

@Serg I have done 5 exe--

all printing .....

I decided to follow documentation

Serg

I'm gonna do perl and python, but more importantly I need to study advanced java ( with stacks and queues and binary trees and searches ), and review C programming for microcontrollers. In my college we program PIC18 microcontrollers, and I will be doing that next semester for Interface Techniques

Ravan

I too have much free time up to this month ending--

What are you studying now?

Serg

I am electrical engineering major in college, minor in computer science

So it's like I am studying one and half profession

Ravan

I don't know about unv system there.

Serg

04:40

T_T first couple of years i was very unhappy, failed a lot of classes

Ravan

I mean like Phd ?

Serg

Now I enjoy it more and more

PhD is high level, I am doing just Bachelor degree.

So I am going to be Bachelor of Science , with minor in computer science

xiaodongjie

@Ravan @Serg Which team are you a member of?

for example, Debian or Ubuntu or Redhat and so on.

Serg

@xiaodongjie none, I am just a guy who was very unhappy at school and one day decided to install Ubuntu :)

Ravan

Me too, none

Serg

04:42

I am not worthy of Ubuntu membership yet

xiaodongjie

@Serg @Ravan I think that you can join any team with your good skills and hard work. So,

Serg

I would love to become an Ubuntu member one day. But right now, I can only write simple scripts. I am not a high-level developer.

xiaodongjie

@Serg but you have high reputation at here.

Serg

@xiaodongjie Yes. But I have not done any serious project. You have couple of programs in Ubuntu Software Center and you were python developer. I only write some scripts here.

xiaodongjie

@Serg you can create any Ubuntu Softwares, I can work with you to do it. :D

Serg

04:48

@xiaodongjie That will be great :) I hope we can work together one day. but right now I need to improve my level.

xiaodongjie

@Serg yes. :)

Ravan

\o

Serg

@Ravan o/

Ravan

@xiaodongjie I decided to offer 100 bounty to my post

but If no one answer, it will be wasted,

xiaodongjie

@Ravan yes, let me try to do it. And may i modify the plank or

make third party?

Ravan

04:52

I prefer to avoid 3rd party

xiaodongjie

yes, so plank?

i see.

Ravan

Well, I will give example

xiaodongjie

yes, please

Ravan

open gedit

xiaodongjie

yes

and then

Ravan

04:54

Output of wmctrl -l

It shows something like:

0x03800049 0 ravan Untitled Document 1 - gedit

a part of total

xiaodongjie

yes, right.

Serg

<.< wmctrl ? what are we doing here ?

Ravan

wmctrl -r "Untitled Document 1 - gedit" -b add,skip_taskbar

If you run ^

the icon disappear

only window present

Serg

@Ravan what is it you're trying to do ?

Ravan

@Serg no fixed path, trying elementaryos.stackexchange.com/questions/3354/…

@xiaodongjie hope you understand?

what I need

wmctrl is what I and @Sneetsher discussed earlier

xiaodongjie

04:59

yes, i understand.

Serg

Ok, I'll install plank, and see what i can do

Ravan

:D

Serg

leaving \o

Did anyone see @Whaaaaat ?

xiaodongjie

o/ lunch time for me, BRB. @Ravan @Serg .

Serg

慢慢吃@xiaodongjie

xiaodongjie

@Serg 谢谢。

Serg

05:11

@ravan if you go to settings (right click on the anchor ) and change "Show Unpinned" ON to OFF , then you only see pinned windows. Right now I have sakura and chromium, and they don't show up in plank, only whatever is pinned to plank shows up on plank

Try that, if that works, I'll post an answer. works for me though. But the plank i have installed is from a ppa, because i am using Ubuntu , not elementary os

Seth

Does startup disk creator work?

Serg

@Seth what do you mean ?

Seth

I've heard that it doesn't work well.

Serg

Works alright for me, I've created a couple of Ubuntu bootable usbs with it

Seth

cool.

Serg

05:17

OK, trick question: if I have a laptop with integrated graphics card ( meaning I've got a graphics card soldered to the motherboard ) what are my options for improving the graphics quality ?

Aside from using minimalistic desktop like Blackbox, of course

Seth

afaik there aren't really any.

Serg

I suspected that, but thought maybe someone has a hackery idea

Serg

05:45

So . . .I'm not much into classic music . . . but this modern-style violinist is pretty cool , I have to share her channel here

youtube.com/channel/UCyC_4jvPzLiSkJkLIkA7B8g

@ParanoidPanda @ByteCommander ^

Not heavy metal , but still cool :3

intex

@Serg drinking and drinking because of photos of people I know on Facebook

SmokeDetector

06:03

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How product benefit your physique? by vbcbvbvcvjuriyam on askubuntu.com

Serg

@intex why because of photos ? what's happening ? what are those people doing ?

just came back from shower , sorry for the delayed response

Serg

06:15

@intex also you better sober up. Alcohol doesn't solve problems. It temporarily kicks you out of reality, but the problems are still there. It's like the same with Ubuntu - screen brightness might not be working, and using a script makes it bearable, but the problem is still not fixed

Ravan

@Serg let me check it

Serg

Ravan

@Serg here Item management is missing

in default dock

Serg

@Ravan Hmmm, i cannot do anything about the default dock . . . since I don't have elementary OS . . .

That's the one i've installed omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/…

Ravan

@Serg I will check it

and let you know

apt-cache policy plank
plank:
Installed: 0.10.1-0elementary1~ubuntu14.04.2
Candidate: 0.10.9+bzr1451-0ubuntu1~14.04~ricotz1
Version table:
0.10.9+bzr1451-0ubuntu1~14.04~ricotz1 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ricotz/docky/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
*** 0.10.1-0elementary1~ubuntu14.04.2 0
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/elementary-os/stable/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

@Serg ^

I will check later in VM :D

xiaodongjie

06:24

@Ravan checked the plank source.

Serg

OK, so . . . the one in ricotz ppa is newer, 0.10.9

I think you should be able to upgrade to it . . .

xiaodongjie

@Ravan plank does not process the skip taskbar option.

@Ravan you there? I added just two lines to plank. So let it process skip taskbar option.

Ravan

hey sorry, now I am

xiaodongjie

:)

I analyzed the source of plank.

So i found a problem for skip taskbar option.

Current plank source could not process the skip taskbar option of windows.

right?

Ravan

@xiaodongjie It will

xiaodongjie

06:30

So i just modified two files, lib/Items/ApplicationDockItem.vala and

lib/Services/WindowControl.vala.

So now it can process the skip task bar option.

May i write an answer for your question?

Ravan

@xiaodongjie yeah, have you tested?

Well, post

xiaodongjie

yes, tested it. oh, you can test by your self, i'll let you know about it.

Ravan

I will check later

xiaodongjie

yes, I see. when you bounty?

Ravan

:D

wait

xiaodongjie

06:33

yes.

Ravan

@xiaodongjie Well, started

xiaodongjie

good.

wow, just +100? :P

Ravan

o_O

xiaodongjie

@Ravan :) heh, no problem. i'll write an answer soon.

xiaodongjie

06:54

@Ravan writing the answer.

@Ravan posted. :)

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A: How to open an application without placing it in dock

The dock of elementary os is plank. So i analyzed the plank source and found the reason why it could not process skip taskbar option of windows. So i modified two parts of the plank to do it. First, it gets the number of windows of the application includes skip taskbar optioned windows. We can ...

Ravan

@xiaodongjie Well, seeing. Don't ping me here, for few hours.

My avatar is visible, but I am not here :)

xiaodongjie

yes, Ravan.

A.B.

07:09

Morning folks

Serg

o/ meowning

A.B.

@Serg o/ :)

Ravan

@xiaodongjie drop here chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/32601/…

@A.B. hey =)

morning :)

Madara Uchiha

07:57

@NathanOsman doesn't look that complex to me

Is it anything more than open a connection, send a handshake and start issuing messages?

SmokeDetector

08:23

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: these premature getting historical by sterljuriya on askubuntu.com

Nathan Osman

@MadaraUchiha hmmm... I guess you're right. For some reason, I was thinking of the server.

If I implemented some form of authentication, it would involve users using an account from a Stack Exchange site to sign in via the API.

Madara Uchiha

08:43

@NathanOsman I wouldn't want it any other way

I expect to give my explicit permission to send information

It's worth noting that it's not obvious at first that the script is actually tracking you in some way.

It's first implied that Stack Exchange somehow publishes these events and there just isn't a UI for it.

blade19899

I get this, but, still...

cl-netbox

09:11

Hello - good morning ! :)

Serg

@cl-netbox good morning

cl-netbox

@Serg Hello my friend - how are you ?

xiaodongjie

@Serg @cl-netbox morning. o/

cl-netbox

@xiaodongjie good morning :)

xiaodongjie

5

Q: How to open an application without placing it in dock

I try my best to be more clear. When we open an application, it will be shown in dock. Is it possible to open an application without make it appear in dock. For example: I should be able to open chrome (for example), but it should not be in dock.

plank

my answer for Ravan 's question.

:)

Serg

09:19

@xiaodongjie :) technically it's night time, 2:16, but it will be morning soon

how was your lunch ?

xiaodongjie

@Serg was very nice. :) and yours?

how was your dinner?

Serg

@xiaodongjie it was OK. 3 sandwiches and many many cups of tea. My throat still doesn't feel good

cl-netbox

@Serg are you ill ?

Serg

@cl-netbox no, but looks like i am getting ill. My throat feels really irritated. No high temperature, only throat irritated.

Really bad time to get sick. I have exam tomorrow

So I was drinking tons and tons of chamomile + green tea + slice of lime . . .

xiaodongjie

@Serg i wish your health good.

Serg

09:34

@xiaodongjie thank you

xiaodongjie

@Serg you're very welcome.

Serg

You also stay healthy . Right now is cold and a lot of people get sick.

xiaodongjie

yes, right.

Serg

well, it's time to sleep. Was pleasure chatting with everybody, as always

o/

cl-netbox

@Serg sleep well ... good luck for your exam ... hope your health situation will be better tomorrow ... wish you all the best my friend ! :)

Ravan

09:45

@cl-netbox o/

cl-netbox

@Ravan Hello :)

@Ravan @xiaodongjie Hope you will not make this room become elementary ... HaHaHa ... :D

Ravan

@cl-netbox you are right!

so drop here chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/32601/…

hehe ;P

xiaodongjie

@cl-netbox yes, :)

cl-netbox

@Ravan already upvoted yours :)

xiaodongjie

@cl-netbox wow, thank you, good friend.

cl-netbox

09:51

@xiaodongjie You're welcome ! :)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

11:09

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Q: Setting up a VSFTPD Server and Client

I have created two VM running Ubuntu 12.04, I am trying to set one up as a server and another as a client. I have installed vsftpd using sudo apt-get install vsftpd and then I changed my config file to look like below.I then created a directory called 'ftp' where I plan on saving the files that w...

ubuntu ftp vsftpd

user136984

11:21

@Seth Oh, anything that I'm downloading outside of the VM... It's because it takes up so much bandwidth in the VM (don't know why)...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Ubuntu - Xrandr doesn't change my resolution

I'm trying to change my resolution using xrandr command line but when I type in a terminal xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1600x900_60.00 (which I added using --addmode), it doesn't change my resolution but doesn't return an error neither. My screen just blink for a second then nothing. I'm able to...

ubuntu nvidia xrandr display

user136984

@Serg: Looks nice! :)

user136984

11:40

Aww... Why did someone downvote this? :(

user136984

Also, does anybody have any idea about my question?

user136984

:)

blade19899

12:04

Guys, how do I get this with Google Chrome:

I have tested notifications, but I keep getting the old? Notification menu

user136984

12:19

Only 99 rep to go before I hit 10k! :D

blade19899

@ParanoidPanda Awesome! You did that quickly!

> "The evolution of the Ubuntu phones in the market has been a slow one, but that’s by choice. Finally, after months of waiting, the first Ubuntu phones can now be bought from actual stores (not digital ones), and they’re really cheap with a contract." - Softpedia, Ubuntu Phones Spotted in a Store in Germany for Just €1, with Contract

user136984

13:17

@blade19899: You wouldn't know anything about the Numix theme would you? :)

user136984

Or at least how most themes define their font?

user136984

@Nathan: How come there haven't been any recent new releases of NitroShare? :)

blade19899

@ParanoidPanda Somewhat, not an expert.

@ParanoidPanda they have a font file, in there theme folder? Not sure about Numix though :/

Ask On the Ask Ubuntu :)

Ow wait

user136984

I have.

user136984

1

Q: How to change tooltip font and colour?

I am running Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 with GNOME 3.18, and after having a look at this and this I've been wondering if there is also a way of changing the font used in tooltips? And if I can also change the colour of the font? I have the Numix theme.

gnome fonts colors tooltip numix

user136984

13:21

:D

blade19899

I remember there being a Q/A about making your own theme, you could check there

@ParanoidPanda Ah xD

55

Q: How do I make a Theme from scratch for Unity?

I'd like to make a theme from scratch for Unity. What knowledge and information/skills are needed? Are there any tools or templates out there for something like this already? I don't have any Python experience so tools biased towards beginners are preferable.

unity development themes

user136984

That's for Unity, is it the same on GNOME (what I'm running)?

user136984

Also, I hear that Ubuntu MATE is very popular, do you know if it's any good? :)

user136984

13:42

How long have I been here for?

blade19899

@ParanoidPanda Roughly the same, to be sure, Google it.

@ParanoidPanda It is pretty good, Based on Gnome2. Making my own Distro, based on Ubuntu Mate.

user136984

@blade19899 Ok, but I'd rather DuckDuckGo it! ;P

blade19899

@ParanoidPanda No idea. I chat here, when I have time. Found a very demanding job, and I love it.

@ParanoidPanda Me too! xD

user136984

:D

user136984

@blade19899 Cool! Well I'm giving it a go now! :)

user136984

13:47

@Seth: Why am I not able to tell it just not to download anything (or try to)?

user136984

Ah! Apparently I've been on the site for 11 months...

user136984

@Seth: Also, why hasn't AskUbuntu opted-in for the special hats? :D

user136984

14:02

Oh dear... They can't even spell any more! :D

user136984

Ask Ubuntu Meta

14:34

-1

Q: Why was this deleted and not merged/marked duplicate?

I know my answers on these two (1 and 2) were exact duplicates and are not encouraged and should be deleted. So no wrong on that part. But since both the questions are also possible duplicates and have been flagged as such, why delete those instead of merge them? Also, how can I improve this on...

discussion duplicates deleted-answers

Ask Ubuntu Meta

14:53

-1

Q: Option to add questions to reading list/subscribe to them?

I have some questions I feel like saying "Me Too!!!" to and some that are interesting enough so that I would like to keep myself posted on developments like this and this. Would be awesome if I didn't have to try writing a Python script to notify me of changes on the page OR having to bookmark t...

discussion feature-request

Byte Commander

15:04

Close dupe, please: askubuntu.com/q/706981/367990

cl-netbox

@ByteCommander DONE ! :) ... Hello my friend ! :)

Byte Commander

@cl-netbox Hello! o/

blade19899

15:31

> "The Document Foundation's LibreOffice and Thunderbird project could join forces in an effort to push for a singular solution." - Softpedia, LibreOffice and Thunderbird Projects Could Join Forces to Fight Microsoft Office and Outlook

Finally, they started talking about this!

terdon

15:45

@blade19899 Why is that a good thing?

Seth

16:02

18 hours ago, by Seth

@kos it's been opt-out for a year or so now.

@ParanoidPanda for the same reason you can't tell it not to install one specific package. Your use case is obscure.

blade19899

16:37

@terdon They can now go product to product with MsOffice. Thunderbird is equal, or even better then Outlook, IMHO.

terdon

@blade19899 I'm sure it is, outlook is awful. I just don't see much point in this kind of bloated uber app that does 12 different things. Still, if that's what people want, it's cool that they're doing it.

blade19899

@terdon All the other Outlook alternatives are - IMHO - to simplistic. Rather Have Thunderbird.

Bye Ya'all!

terdon

I've just never thought of thunderbird as an "outlook alternative". For me, it was a mail client and I'd rather not see it bloated with all the other crap that outlook "provides".

A.B.

16:54

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