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12:33 AM

surprised nobody suggested just renaming the files to something that is certain to not be an existing file, and then renaming them appropriately at the end

KGIII

o/ @Chan-HoSuh

Chan-Ho Suh

\o @KGIII

KGIII

Did ya have a good Halloween?

Chan-Ho Suh

I don't celebrate it, but it's a Saturday, so things are good :)

How about you?

KGIII

I don't normally celebrate it but it turns out there's a traditional event in the parking lot and then in the hotel that I'm at.

So, I spent a small fortune (like a buck or two per kid and had almost 200 of them). :/

Chan-Ho Suh

12:40 AM

still living in a hotel, eh?

KGIII

LOL Yeah, we're going to go to Florida this week.

Chan-Ho Suh

wow, you have a lot of kids

KGIII

Well, they're not mine! :D

I don't know any of them.

Chan-Ho Suh

ah, you mean for trick-or-treating

you just gave them money?

KGIII

We were told that we could just put the do-not-disturb sign on the door.

They do a trunk-or-treat thing. Then the kids all come raid us for candy.

Chan-Ho Suh

12:41 AM

hmm, you must like expensive candy... not to go on about it, but that's a lot of spending for candy

KGIII

We ran low on candy so She Who Must Be Obeyed went out and got more.

I got them full sized candy bars and a small package of candy and then they could take a fist full of loose candy from a bowl.

Chan-Ho Suh

huh, I can't take that name seriously when she's the one that went out to get more :D

KGIII

If I'm going to feed the little buggers I might as well feed them well.

Chan-Ho Suh

ok I see

KGIII

It means she got to decide what candy.

Which means she'll get the leftovers.

Chan-Ho Suh

12:43 AM

hmm you were very generous

I told the doorman not to let any kids through

KGIII

I try to be. I've only got one life to accumulate so much karma and I kinda owe a little bit, I'm sure.

They have a whole traditional thing here it seems. The hotel does a trunk-or-treat with a lot of locals in the parking lot.

Then they go begging. :D Lots of goblins and ghouls and vampire costumes for girls. Some angels, super heroes, and even the lion from The Wizard of Oz.

Chan-Ho Suh

I suppose New York City must be going insane right now with partyers

here I am at home, with my Scala code and documents on preprocessing data ...

KGIII

I dunno? I'm still up in Buffalo.

You've got priorities!

Chan-Ho Suh

having my own kind of fun :)

yes I do

Nathan Osman

I'm going to try a series of hacks to get root on this device...

I can't stand not having root any longer.

KGIII

12:47 AM

I understand. There's nothing like geeking out on a Saturday night.

I've yet to figure out how to root a device, ever. I suck.

Chan-Ho Suh

yep, get to make my own coffee on the weekends, which I usually don't have time for on weekday mornings

@NathanOsman you have control issues, dude :D

KGIII

That's always nice. I'm kind of missing my own kitchen and whatnot. I'm half tempted to go home instead of Florida.

Nathan Osman

@KGIII It's not usually difficult but Google has made things a bit trickier this time around.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman @Mateo Did you get your pull reqs in?

Seth

@NathanOsman I thought Google supported root?

KGIII

12:50 AM

I honestly haven't tried all that hard. I just can't get into the format. I can deal with my phone. I don't like it but I can cope. The larger screen makes me want a better input device and a keyboard takes the portability away.

Nathan Osman

@RPiAwesomeness Yup.

RPi Awesomeness

:)

Nathan Osman

@Seth Yes and no. They've never officially supported it.

But they've made it easy in the past.

Seth

huh.

But it's easy to unlock the bootloader right?

KGIII

The Nexus devices come unlocked, don't they?

Nathan Osman

12:51 AM

Now the stock kernel complains when the system partition has been tampered with.

@Seth Oh, of course.

Seth

So you could just load a custom ROM to get root, right?

Nathan Osman

Yup.

Seth

@NathanOsman yeah.

Nathan Osman

So far so good - TWRP is installed.

Chan-Ho Suh

1:06 AM

anyone here have any opinions about YUV vs RGB?

Nathan Osman

For what?

Chan-Ho Suh

for image classification

Nathan Osman

I'm afraid color isn't my thing :P

I know what YUV and RGB are but not much else.

Flashing ElementalX...

Rebooting...

Boot complete!

Woot! Root successful!

Not only that but this custom kernel has some other options that the stock kernel doesn't.

Chan-Ho Suh

very nice

Chan-Ho Suh

1:38 AM

alright then, maybe this is an easier matter to have an opinion on, what's the "best" way to convert RGB to grayscale?

Chan-Ho Suh

1:57 AM

this is apparently the default method in GIMP: 0.21*R + 0.71*G + 0.07*B

Nathan Osman

The NTSC standard is probably the most widely recognized.

$user image$

It's not as biased towards green as the Gimp.

Chan-Ho Suh

interesting... thanks, @NathanOsman

Nathan Osman

NP.

Seth

2:23 AM

finally got zsh set up the way I like it. I think.

Nathan Osman

Cool.

Seth

2:45 AM

lol on my old machine I had caps and escape swapped, so I kept pressing the wrong keys on my new machine. Finally got around to swapping them again but now I'm used to the normal way xD

KGIII

I'll see if I've "met" you enough by the 4th to be able to leave an accurate and honest review/testimonial for you @Seth. So far you seem pretty damned smart and helpful so, there's that.

Seth

You just can't win..

(I was referring to the caps/escape thing --^)

KGIII

I figured.

Seth

just making sure ;D

Nathan Osman

Yeah, Seth's a great guy :)

KGIII

2:46 AM

Well, "Nathan speaks highly of him" is probably not an effective testimonial. :D

Seth

@KGIII Thank you! I like to at least think I'm somewhat helpful haha

KGIII

I've read a lot of your answers so, yeah.

Nathan Osman

Somebody brought up "old memories" earlier and I remember when Seth was first elected moderator. George was the first to announce it :)

Feb 25 '14 at 20:00, by FlackBot

Winners are Seth and Mitch. (results as text)

(FlackBot is George's old account.)

KGIII

2014 is old, eh?

Nathan Osman

Hmm... good point.

KGIII

2:49 AM

LOL It's kind of old, in internet years.

Nathan Osman

In tech years, yes - it's old.

In actual years, not so much.

KGIII

I'm kind of old. I love to reflect on how much the tech has changed.

Nathan Osman

I mean, we were still using Kit Kat back then :P

KGIII

Oh, heavens!

Seth

I'm still using KitKat >.>

KGIII

2:51 AM

Hmm... I think my phone has 4.2 on it. I'm too lazy to look. I have no idea what that version is.

I don't even know what the current version is.

I'm a straight up Luddite.

Chan-Ho Suh

I didn't even know what "KitKat" referred to (had to google)

Nathan Osman

It's also a chocolate bar :)

Seth

a good one too.

Chan-Ho Suh

Can't trick me, man. The candy bar has a space between "Kit" and "Kat"

KGIII

They've got odd flavored Kit Kats in Japan. :/

Chan-Ho Suh

2:56 AM

here too

KGIII

I dunno where "here" is.

Chan-Ho Suh

I got some nice green tea flavored ones. For some reason, it had Japanese writing on it though

I like to keep "here" vague ... can't make it too easy for the stalkers

KGIII

The green tea does sound intersting.

Chan-Ho Suh

they are ridiculously good. I was told they were, but didn't believe it until I tried some :)

KGIII

I think I saw curry flavored ones being advertised. That doesn't sound good.

Chan-Ho Suh

2:58 AM

hmm, well Japanese curry is sweet

it could work

KGIII

I'd try it.

I'm not afeared of nuffin!

Chan-Ho Suh

maybe this is just an urban legend, but supposedly the fact that Kit Kat sounds like Japanese for "I believe I will succeed" had something to do with its success in japan

KGIII

I do not speak Japanese so I can not opine.

Chan-Ho Suh

there's wasabi-flavored Kit Kat of course

KGIII

That does not sound good to me.

Chan-Ho Suh

3:02 AM

I thought you weren't afraid? :)

KGIII

I'd still eat it. I'd have to try it.

It just doesn't sound like it would be good. I'll try most anything once - with some limits.

Seth

@Chan-HoSuh that does sound good. Now I want one!

KGIII

3:30 AM

Hmm... I'm going to rummage and see what Halloween candy is left. We gave the last few kids scads of the stuff.

Nathan Osman

Pizza is about the spiciest thing I can eat.

(I have an incredibly sensitive tongue.)

Chan-Ho Suh

don't brag

Nathan Osman

That's not bragging - there's a lot of food I can't eat.

I can't even drink soda. It causes a painful burning sensation.

Chan-Ho Suh

huh, sorry to hear that :(

you mean pizza with red sauce on it, or even just pizza with only cheese and no sauce?

Nathan Osman

No, no - the tomato sauce is okay.

I just can't eat anything more spicy than that.

@Chan-HoSuh Don't feel too bad - my dentist doesn't :)

Chan-Ho Suh

3:40 AM

hmm, I would never have put pizza as a level for a spiciness scale

how about juice?

Nathan Osman

Juice is fine.

Anything that isn't carbonated or spicy is probably okay.

KGIII

I've a sibling who is unable to do much, or any really, citric acid or she breaks out in sores. :/

Nathan Osman

I can eat lots of normal foods - fish, burgers, chicken, rice, etc.

Oh, and bacon.

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KGIII

I know, it's sacrilege but I don't really like bacon a whole lot. Even worse, I prefer the patty known as "Canadian Bacon." (Which is also a good, sort of, movie.)

I'm not sure if not liking bacon is a bannable offense or not. ;)

Nathan Osman

I'm Canadian so I feel a little bit better hearing that :)

KGIII

3:50 AM

I'm sort of Canadian.

I am part Micmac, more than 1/4. I'm First Nation's heritage so I'm a citizen by grace of ethnicity. I hold a passport and citizenship in Canada and the US.

Nathan Osman

Oh, cool.

KGIII

I come from the Turner's and Hawksworth's in Nova Scotia.

Nathan Osman

Ah, so we're from opposite coasts then.

KGIII

I've a small piece of unimproved property in Canada.

I don't normally talk politics but this isn't really politics - I don't vote in Canadian elections as I'm not impacted enough to where I think my opinion should aide or hinder a full-time citizen's vote. So, hmm... Sort of politics but not really.

Just an odd conclusion that I've reached. :D

And yeah, I'm guessing you're out in BC way or?

Nathan Osman

Yup, near Vancouver.

KGIII

3:56 AM

It's pretty out there.

Damp but pretty.

Nathan Osman

Yes and yes :)

The mountains provide a lot of natural beauty.

But it does rain quite a bit.

KGIII

That is true. They're very... Very majestic.

Nathan Osman

We get used to it (the rain).

This summer we had a nasty heatwave.

In fact, it got bad enough at one point that Health Canada was issuing air quality warnings.

KGIII

I don't recall seeing you guys get the slugs that they get a bit south of there - down in Washington area. I've only been out to BC twice though.

Heat and humidity means health concerns.

Nathan Osman

Yup.

KGIII

3:59 AM

We get pretty humid back home too. It kills a few in the summer and then a few more go in the winter. The cycle goes on, I guess.

I did find it interesting that you have a rain forest up your way, technically speaking.

I think it's further north than you. :/ I'm not really sure, exactly, where it covers.

Nathan Osman

Yes, it's further north. Though there are patches of rainforest-like areas in various places nearby.

There's a nice little forest with some giant sequoias and coast redwood trees on Vancouver Island.

KGIII

I'm not too surprised. You guys get a lot of rain. I was kind of surprised to read about it, it was a long while back, as I always conflated rain forest with the tropics. I was mistaken.

Is it a national park type of thing?

Nathan Osman

I think so. I visited a few years ago, I can't remember if it was a national or provincial park.

KGIII

I think I've been there. I'd not swear to it in a court of law.

But, I think I have.

Seth

Remember that it daylights savings ends today/tomorrow.

and with that I will be off to bed.

@KGIII Yes, lots of slugs down here. Not sure if that's a good thing or not but we have them..

KGIII

4:13 AM

Yeah, they're huge @Seth.

I think I too shall meander out of chat, browse a few more questions, and then sleep.

G'night all. Save sleeps when you get there.

Seth

g'night!

Nathan Osman

Goodnight.

I'm a programmer, so I tend to view Daylight Savings Time as The Worst Thing Ever™.

Whaaaaaat

thanks seth! i can pay back the favor now. 8 invites.

If anyone needs a Keybase invite, feel free to hit me up

Ravan

@Whaaaaaat morning

:)

Whaaaaaat

@Ravan o/

Ravan

4:23 AM

@Seth hello, what is correct decision here.... OP is not available from 5 years--

even though the post is of low quality, I think it needs to be present (my opinion) :)

Whaaaaaat

@Ravan It's a link-only question. It should be edited.

Put the content from the link into the post and link back as a reference.

Ravan

Q?

Whaaaaaat

Answer, sorry.

I'm busy rewriting and moderating bug reports because people are dumb.

Chan-Ho Suh

@NathanOsman every problem like time changes, creates a job for someone else :)

particularly developers

Ravan

@Whaaaaaat cool. here power loss :(

Whaaaaaat

4:34 AM

"oh this bug's been reported 3 times already! I should report it again!!"

Chan-Ho Suh

@NathanOsman I have a funny recent anecdote about daylight savings and timezones, if you're interested

Whaaaaaat

so i need some management help

my manager (with no coding or managerial or whatever experience) is demanding access to the code base because "i own everything"

what should i do

Chan-Ho Suh

what does "access" mean here?

Whaaaaaat

access to developer-only chats and access to source code

565656

@Tim you are always right

Chan-Ho Suh

4:47 AM

well, what I'm getting at is, how is the code being stored, and how is access controlled? If you have a code repository that can separate read from write access, then you could give your manager read access only

Whaaaaaat

The thing is, I don't want him to have any access.

Because he wants it just to see it.

If he would actually do something with it, I'd be okay. But he wants it just for the sake of having it

Chan-Ho Suh

and you are opposed to this, for what reason?

Whaaaaaat

Well, he has a very interesting way of slowing things down

He'd get in our way more than he would help us.

Out of his last 15 bug reports, 12 were invalid or dupes.

Chan-Ho Suh

so you think he will look at the code and file more bug reports?

Whaaaaaat

Either invalid bug reports (as usual), or just complain about what we're doing.

Chan-Ho Suh

4:52 AM

or perhaps object to brace-style convention being used? :)

hmm, I can see why you'd be reluctant

I presume your manager can order you to do such things though

Whaaaaaat

That's another thing. We're compartmentalized.

The only title he has is "guy who pays for servers"

Chan-Ho Suh

does he actually manage you?

Whaaaaaat

Nope.

He just pays for the servers.

Chan-Ho Suh

why do you call him your manager?

Whaaaaaat

Because that's what he thinks he is

And that's how he acts

Chan-Ho Suh

4:56 AM

I have a feeling a lot is being unsaid here, but from what you said, there's a guy that pays for your server equipment. He has the ability to complain to you and file bug reports, and he has asked for code access. He calls himself your manager, and you yourself call him your manager, yet you say he is just a guy that pays for servers

taken on face value, I can't even assume this guy is able to access your work facilities, let alone your code. Will security even let him in? Very puzzling situation you describe

is he an employee of your firm?

Whaaaaaat

Here's the rundown:

- Small startup, 7 people
- Highly compartmentalized (Everyone runs their own "department" and we're not supposed to interfere with others)
- Completely online
- I'm head of server management and security
- All he does is pay for the server and act as the "company head" although he has basically zero power

Anubian Noob

o.o what kind of company is this??

Whaaaaaat

Game server.

Chan-Ho Suh

interesting, well you must have a boss of some kind

have you asked him/her?

Whaaaaaat

We lead ourselves. The heads of each department run their respective sides and we all collaborate together.

Chan-Ho Suh

4:59 AM

so you hired yourself?

Whaaaaaat

Yes.

Chan-Ho Suh

well, then, I don't see the problem

Whaaaaaat

Yeah, that's what I think.

But he can be really evil and pull our funding. Basically, he's just the primary investor.

Chan-Ho Suh

it's a simple trade-off then

Ravan

@Whaaaaaat sorry to interrupt, who will pay for you?

Whaaaaaat

5:01 AM

He says he wants code access to oversee development (lead dev's job) and check progress (my job).

@Ravan We each get a share of the profits.

Because he has investor status, he thinks he has the right to bypass the process everyone else has to go through for development updates.

(literally send a PM to one of the devs asking "how's coding going?")

Chan-Ho Suh

can he pull his money immediately?

Whaaaaaat

Yes.

Chan-Ho Suh

then I'd say he has whatever right he thinks he has, up to legal constraints

Whaaaaaat

I'm just debating buying him out right now.

That's the thing: he has legal rights to nothing

We haven't launched yet, so nobody's been paid yet. The code legally still belongs to their respective developers.

Ravan

I think there should be an agreement for such investment, I mean certain fixed time,before which he/she cannot pull his/her money back

Is there any such agreement?

Chan-Ho Suh

5:05 AM

just curious, but what process do you have in place to update your investors anyway?

Whaaaaaat

@Ravan Nope because of volatility, @Chan-HoSuh Send a PM to the devs or me.

If he pulls funding, it's not the worst thing in the world. We have saved copies of all of our work.

The server is imaged daily exactly for that reason.

Chan-Ho Suh

well, since you seem to want some outside perspective on this, I'd say from what you said, that this is a guy who is very frustrated with lack of feedback

he just wants more feedback than you are giving him

Whaaaaaat

he gets an email for every single commit

Chan-Ho Suh

so other than the obvious choices of dumping him and finding another investor or stonewalling him and making him more upset, you could arrange to update him more frequently and even give some presentations or whatever it is that floats his boat

Whaaaaaat

stonewalling him sounds like a good idea.

Chan-Ho Suh

5:14 AM

unless he's a developer, commit emails probably aren't gonna do it for him. Commit messages frequently don't do it for me or other developers, including the person who wrote the message!

Whaaaaaat

He doesn't even understand Java.

Chan-Ho Suh

anyway, my advice would be, try to understand things from his viewpoint and see if there's a solution in that direction. It doesn't sound like you've tried that yet

Whaaaaaat

There is zero difference between the developer chat (which he wants) and the commit messages.

Chan-Ho Suh

well, now you're thinking very much like a technical person, not a people person :)

some people like the chatting aspect, the human interaction

Whaaaaaat

the developers chat is literally a dump for commit messages though.

85% of the chat are commit messages. The other 15% is general dev comments on using this method as opposed to that method (which he doesn't understand)

Chan-Ho Suh

5:21 AM

oh I see, I thought "developer chat" was something more interactive

Whaaaaaat

Nope.

Most development chatter takes place in the leaders' chat, which he has access to. (Because the developers like feedback)

Chan-Ho Suh

has anyone actually chatted with this guy asking what he wants?

Whaaaaaat

he wants:

- access to code base
- access to developers' chat
- [previously] root access to all servers

Chan-Ho Suh

hehe, root access eh