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guntbert

17:00

Reasking my question from several hours ago: How can a question that asks for a simple yes/no be "too broad"?

-2

Q: Is there a discussion group of Think Pad T440 that have Ubuntu 14.04?

Is there a discussion group of Think Pad that have Ubuntu 14.04?

terdon

Yeah:

> You can "bump" your thread by editing the question

Seth

@guntbert That one was hard for me. I ended up leaving it open I think..

terdon

@guntbert Because it is not about Ubuntu or any technical problem. It is asking whether there is a discussion group. Should be off topic rather than too broad but closed in any case.

Seth

It is a really, really bad question though.

@terdon you're probably right.

We don't do website suggestions..

I'll fix that.

guntbert

@terdon, @Seth I agree the question is bad - but it is definitely not too broad!

Seth

17:02

True

terdon

Just off topic.

Seth

Not about Ubuntu or something else?

guntbert

it is about Ubuntu

Seth

Right, so that close reason doesn't work too well.

terdon

@guntbert Well not really. 1st of all, most SE sites don't accept such questions, 2nd there is no technical problem here, it's not about the OS but about whether or not some random group of people on the internet exists.

It is not about Ubuntu within the scope defined in the Help Center

And having just reread that, I can't find anything that explicitly forbits "Is there an online community for X" questions. Perhaps one should be added.

ace

17:08

@Seth I just found the solution... so i don't think i'll post the question

guntbert

@terdon, true, the part you italicized evaded my attention - might point towards some bias on my side - owning a T60 and thinking of purchasing a T440 :-)

Andrew

@terdon make the edits

paste.ubuntu.com/7448312

Seth

@ace What's the solution?

ace

@Seth I simply closed Geany and restarted it...

Seth

Wat..

In that case, yeah, probably shouldn't ;P

ace

17:09

perhaps because i changed some settings before testing the shortcuts

terdon

@guntbert thinkwiki.org

ace

sorry for creating such a mess

Rinzwind

@ace newbie! :=D even pro's make a mess no need to apologize ;-)

Seth

@ace You're fine :)

Rinzwind

if seth says so it is true!

ace

17:11

alright. thanks a lot for your help

Rinzwind

just do not trust Luis Avarado >:-D

guntbert

@terdon I do know that one of course :-))

Andrew

@terdon are you going to make the edits to it?

Rinzwind

@ace no problem! anytime I can help someone else help you I am up for it

guntbert

@Rinzwind while you are here: can we clean up askubuntu.com/questions/463380/…

the language discussion wasn't what I intended at all

terdon

17:14

@Andrew I just did, gimme a second!

![enter image description here][1]


  [1]: i.sstatic.net/xBHEF.png

The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is a lightweight, extremely fast and energy efficient desktop environment based on GTK. It uses Openbox as it window manager.

##Use of the tag

Use this tag when asking about the LXDE desktop environment, how to run applications in LXDE, general configuration and behavior changes etc.

As a general rule, if your question is a about a specific LXDE tool, you should also tag with the tool's name,

Please don't recommend to people that they use a specific tag instead of the general one. Ideally, they should use both.

You must learn to resist the pull of Braiamism :)

Aaaa! Sorry, that should be:

> It uses Openbox as its window manager.

Forgot the s

ace

@Seth Okay. I found out what the problem is. The shortcuts will not work only after accidentally pressing them in the embedded terminal in Geany. This can be fixed by disabling the "Override Geany keybindings" option in the Geany terminal preference. Should I post this as an answer to the original question?

or should I try no "to breath life into a dead question"?

try not*

(I mean, they will not work even after switching focus back to the editor)

Seth

No, go ahead and answer the original.

By "breathing life" I meant trying to resurrect the question itself, but you have the answer ;)

Andrew

@terdon the reason why I did it, was because someone added how to use the tag under the Gnome one that I did.

terdon

@Andrew Did what?

Ah, yes, that was Braiam. He has a chip on his shoulder against broad tags and things they are bad by definition and should always be replaced by specific ones. He's wrong.

It depends on the situation. A question about nautilus does not need to be tagged as Gnome. A question about say, the interaction between Gnoem and nautilus should be tagged as both.

Andrew

@terdon Yea... That was why I did it, I figure it was wrong but....

terdon

17:29

Not wrong as such, just overly strict.

If you hang out on meta a bit, you might notice that not everyone agrees with tag braiamism.

Seth

Link?

terdon

@Seth For?

Seth

This question/answer?

terdon

We're talking about the tag wiki.

Seth

Ahh.

terdon

17:30

lxde

Seth

Oh, nice wiki. We need to fix the excerpt though.

terdon

@Seth Could you fix the typo? I don't have the rep to do it directly:

> It uses Openbox as it window manager.

to

> It uses Openbox as its window manager.

Seth

sure

Andrew

and chace the , to a .

@Seth

Seth

Where?

Andrew

17:35

As a general rule, if your question is a about a specific LXDE tool, you should also tag with the tool's name,

Under the pic

above the first hader

Seth

got it

done

Andrew

Thanks @Seth

Seth

np

Andrew

@Seth you are a mod? could you lose it?

Seth

I am a moderator on Ask Ubuntu, yes. Can I lose it? If I start doing really bad things, yes, I could.

terdon

17:44

Impeachment!

Seth

Uh huh ;)

Ugh, Eclipse is big. And I thought Netbeans was bad.

Andrew

@Seth what bad things?

terdon

@Andrew You know, getting too friendly with the female interns and such.

Seth

@Andrew Deleting you, for example.

Breaking the moderator agreement mainly.

Andrew

@terdon Yea a vote on that

@Seth and what is that?

moderator agreement mainly?

Seth

17:50

askubuntu.com/legal/moderator-agreement

terdon

@Seth kill this please:

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Q: Set alias which doesn't send specified text?

Moved: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128940/ My target is to get this in my terminal line after the alias-task was executed: screen -rx My alias-task is the following: alias join="clear; screen -ls; screen -rx OS: OpenMediaVault - OMV Thank you ;)

server screen alias

Already posted on Unix & Linux

Andrew

Yea

Bye Bye

@Seth How how would it be to close my account?

Seth

@Andrew I don't understand your question there..

@terdon Closed it

Andrew

@Seth sorry... Typing to fast and not thinking how to spell the words right...

@Seth How hard would it be to suspend my account?

Is it just one button away from your fingure tips?

Seth

@Andrew How hard? Depends what you mean by hard I guess..

Sam

17:54

Hi, I just upgraded to ubuntu from 12.04 to 14.04. I can't open local swf file with chromium in ubuntu 14.04 . any fix for that????

Seth

@Andrew More or less. There are checks in place though.

terdon

@Andrew Thick finger tips that have been known to slip on the small tablet...

Andrew

@Seth so all of the mod on this site most vote on it?

Seth

No

Can I ask why you are asking these questions?

Andrew

Because I got cuious since you said "Deleting you, for example."

Sam

17:57

I can't open local swf file with chromium in ubuntu 14.04 . any fix for that?

Seth

@Andrew Ah

terdon

@Sam How are you trying? What errors do you get? Are you sure it's an swf file?

Andrew

SO I just want to know how does the site work more?

Sam

@terdon I open with chromium. I know its swf I used to open it in 12.04 with no problem. there isn't any error report. I open it but it tries to download it again in my download directory

terdon

@Sam How do you open it? File=>open? file://path/to/file.swf?

Try running google-chrome /path/to/file from a terminal.

Seth

18:01

Anyone heard of the OnePlus? It looks amazing.

Sam

@terdon yeah I have the path bookmarked. I also right click on the file and try to open it

Seth

@Andrew Sure. I can't tell you everything, but take a look at this meta post.

terdon

@Sam try the other approaches. 1) Open a terminal and run it manually 2) use file://path/to

Sam

@terdon I just tried google-chrome path. it made no difference i.imgur.com/CDbdHvr.png

@terdon I know how to open a swf file . there is sth wrong with my extensions. its not recognizing local swf files

Andrew

18:16

How hard is it to get 5 upvote per day?

terdon

@Sam Strange. Sorry then, out of suggestions. I assume you've tried in another browser and it works?

hbdgaf

@Sam be clear about your problem. flash on sites works, but a local swf doesn't right?

Sam

ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218732 somone else also has exact same problem with 14.04 . non of browsers work with local swf files not firefox not chrome and not chromium

I'm beginning to regret upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 . precise version was ok :(

hbdgaf

where did the NARQ close reason go?

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Q: synchronise time between my windows and two Linux Ubuntu servers

I'm having a hard time to synchronise time between my windows and two Linux Ubuntu servers. i found this tool: http://www.timesynctool.com/ I've installed it on my windows server 2008 R2 standard service back 1 I've change the configuration on both Ubuntu servers: $ lsb_release -a No LSB modu...

server ntp

Lucio

18:32

@IonicăBizău can answer this

@hbdgaf where the off topic reason go?

hbdgaf

@Lucio I used off topic custom with something like "Not a real question. Expecting NTP to be accurate to the millisecond when hops can take several is ridiculous."

Lucio

I did the same yesterday

terdon

WTF? I have the highest average votes per answer on the site? o_O?

data.stackexchange.com/meta.askubuntu/query/952/…

2nd highest that is.

Ah, it only has 20 answers for me, that's why.

Rinzwind

@terdon come back when you are #1 >:D

Seth

Looks like it has something to do with the fact that you only have 20 answers..

Rinzwind

18:35

lol

Lucio

haha

terdon

Phew, I thought that was weird :)

Seth

and you're running it on meta ;P

Lucio

He mentioned it, average

Rinzwind

meta don't count :=)

Lucio

18:36

^ agree

terdon

Ah! Damn the interface :) It had the AU logo instead of the meta but that's to change to rather than to use.

OK, I'm not even in the top 500. That makes more sense :)

Seth

@terdon I know, that catches me all the time..

Rinzwind

and Terdon just fell of his pedastel >:D

terdon

@Rinzwind Hey, I was shocked to find I had a pedestal :)

Looks like you do though!

Rinzwind

:D :D

terdon

18:37

You're 2nd

Andrew

Good?

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A: How do I install PDF Mod?

Click this link to install PDF Mod , find it in the Ubuntu Software Center, or type sudo apt-get install pdfmod in a terminal. There are more instructions here

Seth

I don't even see him on the list.

Rinzwind

Naaa I like being in bed.

Andrew

See HIm... Who is him. And on what list?

terdon

@Seth Sort by number of answers. That seems more reasonable anyway since it's an average.

Ha! I'm there on U&L at least :)

Rinzwind

18:39

@Andrew not as good as mitch's He got a picture >:)

Andrew

@Rinzwind But I have a link, to open it in the software center, and my works... He have it has a dead ppa

See launchpad.net/~pdfmod-team/+archive/ppa

Rinzwind

@terdon U&L is for people that can not decide on an operating system

Seth

@terdon Ah, cool. That puts me on the list too.

hbdgaf

must not engage...

you know guys, maybe you could start helping :) ...like what's the best way to synchronise time between servers we can start from this... — snabel 2 mins ago

Rinzwind

good call have an upvote @andrew :D

Andrew

18:40

Thanks

Rinzwind

@hbdgaf lol

terdon

@Rinzwind Pffft, it's for people who actually know how to use one :)

Lucio

@hbdgaf haha

Rinzwind

250 milliseconds :D

that is so not going to go away

Lucio

let me help you there

Seth

18:42

Argh. The only Eclipse mirror is in Canada, no wonder my download is so slow.

Rinzwind

@Seth eh? is it? there must be one in Holland too :P

Seth

That's further away :P

hbdgaf

I so want to say:

> The best way is to use NTP. Your question about why Microsoft probably chose to track delay to an NTP server and subtract that from the time reported is outside of the scope of the site. If you want to ask someone why Linux complies to the RFC and why Microsoft thought they knew better and violated the RFC, then ask that somewhere else.

Seth

lol, IKR

Rinzwind

@Seth ah but we rule at internet access! :=D

terdon

18:44

Come one, he's probably not using the same NTP server for the 3 machines anyway.

Rinzwind

Holland was the 2nd country to have internet >:D

@terdon no the 1 extra hop between the ubuntu server and the windows machine is the problem

terdon

@Rinzwind Really? I would have expected switzerland what with CERN and all.

Andrew

Who down voted it?

hbdgaf

Community based on the close vote

terdon

@Rinzwind What extra hop?

Rinzwind

18:45

@terdon nope. Holland (that is why amsterdam has that big hub to the US)

Andrew

Is it better now?

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A: How do I install PDF Mod?

Click this link to install PDF Mod , find it in the Ubuntu Software Center, or type sudo apt-get install pdfmod in a terminal. There are more instructions here After clicking on the link to install PDF Mod, it should open up the Ubuntu Software center, and all that you need to do is just press ...

Seth

@hbdgaf Community doesn't do that anymore.

Lucio

shhhh!

Seth

Besides, it only used to when it was actually closed.

Rinzwind

@terdon he probably is using 1 ubuntu server for NTP. and the windows machine probes the server every so often

hbdgaf

18:45

really? that was my best guess...

terdon

@Andrew Much, have an upvote.

hbdgaf

@terdon It's just a question that needs bludgeoning. close-goats welcome...

Seth

Yay, found a sponsor mirror. Much faster.

Rinzwind

YES NICE ONE @andrew :D
now you really deserve my upvote

Lucio

yeah, needs to be closed

Rinzwind

18:46

@Seth in Holand? >:D

terdon

@Rinzwind Ah, I figure he's just pointing to the Ubuntu NTP on Ubuntu and some other one on Windows. Still, millisecond accuracy, what the hell for?

Rinzwind

@terdon hmmm could be that too :P

if that is the case he might have more hops = extra delay between ntp servers

in the end: unavoidable :=D and 250 ms is acceptable

maybe not to him but for ntp it is >:)

terdon

Anyway, @hbdgaf hit the nail on the head, expecting millisecond accuracy from anything that needs to establish a network connection is just silly.

hbdgaf

@terdon didn't you read the comments? it's log correlation that needs sub-quarter-second accuracy... sheesh. it's like people want to live on the moon or something ;)

Lucio

All servers synchronize via internet with this ntp server: server 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org — snabel 1 min ago

hbdgaf

18:50

sarcasm

Lucio

why then?

terdon

@hbdgaf Missed that one. Sheesh, for logs?

Rinzwind

yay coulld not help it and made another comment @hbdgaf

hbdgaf

we are talking about 250 milliseconds. we need the time to be synchronised for reporting and log analysis — snabel 19 mins ago

terdon

@hbdgaf Yeah I noticed after you mentioned it.

Lucio

18:52

I will take your job @hbdgaf for this time

terdon

@Rinzwind "Is it Windows or Ubuntu that's wrong?" Umm.. Is that a trick question?

hbdgaf

^^ See my previous comment

Rinzwind

@terdon yes!

if he says windows it is off topic :D

terdon

Sneaky

Lucio

►

Rinzwind

18:52

@terdon my middle name :=)

Lucio

I should add the video on a comment there :P

hbdgaf

@Lucio Heh. I wouldn't.

Lucio

Yeah, she would get mad

terdon

@Sam paragraphs and punctuation are your friends. Don't be afraid of them.

Kalamalka Kid

can anyone help me figure out my scsi disk?

http://askubuntu.com/questions/463644/scsi-disk-not-showing-up?noredirect=1

Lucio

18:55

lol

hbdgaf

@Lucio while we're on she would get mad tickld.com/x/this-guy-isnt-having-sex-tonight

Lucio

You are back!

@hbdgaf too much text for me to be funny :(

Kalamalka Kid

hello LUCIO!

hbdgaf

just read it... you'll die laughing

kk after ubuntu time is wrong, i can't help it any more...

Lucio

jajajaja me muero!

That man is god

hbdgaf

18:59

ikr

Lucio

> Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled, 'WHAT?'

there is where I couldn't hold my jaw of laughing

hbdgaf

Yeah, and it's a steady crescendo from there

Lucio

totally

hbdgaf

told you you'ld enjoy it

Lucio

where do you get this stuff?

hbdgaf

19:03

@Lucio i parse lots of feeds. lots of noise, but i find loads of gems

Lucio

amazing technique

terdon

lol:

hbdgaf

it helps me deal with not being horribly happy about where i am. so it's a coping thing, not a choice thing.

terdon

Lucio

I recover a guitarra! @hbdgaf

hbdgaf

19:08

If there were money in it I'ld play it, but locally there isn't. So I just keep pushing on. Also, my boss told me they couldn't afford to max their 401k with matching. "I do. What's your problem?"

If it gives you a ten percent raise and you don't do it, you're turning down free money sort of thing...

Lucio

yep

hbdgaf

whelp, my clothes are dry and it's time to order pizza to eat by myself. the wheel keeps on turning. eventually i hope all these right decisions pay off.

Lucio

well, I wish you good luck

hbdgaf

we'll see. i think i'm just surrounded by stupid.

Lucio

that is what you need to get away from

hbdgaf

19:16

i shouldn't have to run from stupidity. we should all get closer to being less retarded.

Lucio

heh, I knew you were going to mention that

anyway..

hbdgaf

moving along... yep. yep i am

Lucio

now it's my moment to turn off this machine and touch some strings, real strings.

hbdgaf

hopefully from a guitar you recovered as a loot object from a zombie.

Lucio

we'll see.

good night

rajan

19:19

@lucio how to get a long code to fit in a single line. > and ` ` always brake line..

anyone...

Andrew

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A: How do I install PDF Mod?

Click this link to install PDF Mod , find it in the Ubuntu Software Center, or type sudo apt-get install pdfmod in a terminal. There are more instructions here After clicking on the link to install PDF Mod, it should open up the Ubuntu Software center, and all that you need to do is just press ...

Takkat

@rajan askubuntu.com/editing-help#code --> 4 indents for code

rajan

indents??? didnt get it..

@Takkat

Takkat

@rajan 4 blanks format a line as code here.

rajan

and what > and ` ` do?

Takkat

19:28

> for quotes `` for fixed fonts

hbdgaf

in chat or on site?

rajan

in site

Takkat

code length in chat is limited to one line.

hbdgaf

quote breaks code-quotes. it doesn't recurse. format your message accordingly.

Takkat

The format help can always be opened when writing a post.

hbdgaf

19:30

@Takkat i think it's a bug report veiled as a support request. i would refer them to meta instead or tell them to deal with it...

^^ in fact... i did

rajan

i used to use > and ` ` for codes

hbdgaf

i used to make 60k/yr. now i make 20. i'm not entitled to the 60. i have to deal with it

Takkat

@hbdgaf so it takes you three years instead of one?

life is not that long.

hbdgaf

@Takkat lower expectations are the secret to either happiness or becoming a bitter old man.

Takkat

@hbdgaf we should prefer bitterness to secret achievements.

hbdgaf

19:33

I'm moving in one direction in particular, but it's always subject to change. And keeping those expectations as pay increases is something people that make more seem not to get ;)

@Takkat thanks. i smiled a little

Takkat

my problem is remotely related... about 20 years ago I got paid 20% of what I get now but could put much more aside...

nutty about natty

hi there

on a virgin trusty tahr machine,

intend to install lubuntu virtually

need help selecting the VM

my need: simple ubuntu->-lubuntu vm setup

xen? vmware? virtualbox? throw-a-dice??

Takkat

<- often has issues with Lubuntu VMs but no idea why

nutty about natty

(haven't yet come aross a up-to-date review to help me decide)

Takkat

there's KVM too.

nutty about natty

19:47

why lubuntu? cuz that laptop has only 2GB RAM, is intel dual-core-2, but nothing fancy...

Aditya

Can someone confirm if this user has some deleted content?

nutty about natty

so maybe could just as well do trusty->-trusty ?

Takkat

@nuttyaboutnatty can not advice because I always was so happy with virtualbos that I did not try out the others.

nutty about natty

@Takkat virtualbos or virtualbox? typo?

Takkat

My host is dual-core but I gave it more RAM... Virtualbox is o.k. but as said sometimes Lubuntu misbehaves.

@nuttyaboutnatty did you ever try virtualization before?

Virtualbox is Open Source, cross-platform and very well supported.

hbdgaf

19:51

@Takkat that's about the choices buddy. it's all choices.

Takkat

<-- chose to marry and have 2 kids ;)

hbdgaf

@nuttyaboutnatty my luck with xubuntu and lubuntu machines has been that virtualbox on edge is better than vmware on edge. vmware on old is better than virtualbox on old. and xen/openstack are for things that if you need to ask, you need not be doing.

@Takkat chose not to marry again. reduces the impact when they leave ;) married once. came home to an empty house. won't do that again

Takkat

...that's nothing unusual - let them go makes them stay...

hbdgaf

i chose an alternative. i'll pay my bills and you pay yours. then i can do nice things. || I'll pay your bills, and I can't do nice things. A or B? makes thinks simple.

Takkat

still waiting for option C: you pay my bills so I can make nice things.

hbdgaf

19:59

@Takkat not planning on a sugar-momma or providing for someone to build stuff.

again with the planning

nutty about natty

@hbdgaf so the upshot with my non-edge 2-RAM dual-core laptop:

vmware ?

Takkat

you should upgrade RAM to 4 GB for serious virtualization.. but if only for an occasional glimpse or supporting Lubuntu people 2 GB should be o.k.

I have a VM on a 2-core 2GB machine which runs a bit sluggish but it runs.

nutty about natty

my main old laptop is maxed out

Takkat

if you run a VM on a 2 GB host you should not run too many other applications in addition.

nutty about natty

the one intended for some VM testing is my girlfriend's

which has a massive HDD

anyway, getting carried away...

why is Virtualbox not in ubuntu-software-center ?

oh,

it is - only not with trusty tahr support :-(

Takkat

20:10

packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/virtualbox - it's moved to multiverse

nutty about natty

what is multiverse? heard that term many a time...

Takkat

non-free software repository.

hbdgaf

@nuttyaboutnatty if you're running 14.04 go with virtualbox. older than that go vmware

Takkat

the OSE was removed from the package... still, you have it OSS as long as you don't install the "Extension Pack".

nutty about natty

@Takkat is that equivalent (identical ?) to the launchpad ppa ?

Takkat

20:14

@nuttyaboutnatty huh? There is a ppa for virtualbox? Weird.

nutty about natty

@Takkat OSE ? OSS ?

Takkat

Virtualbox is Open Source GPLv2.

The Extension Pack is not.

---> virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

nutty about natty

launchpad.net/virtualbox

launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox

Takkat

That's the Launchpad project page... it's not a ppa.

nutty about natty

yep

Takkat

20:17

Oracle has an own repository for VirtualBox which I recommend to use: virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads

It gives you regular updates & bugfixes.

hbdgaf

the iso for guest additions and the extension pack are both black blobs of code. vbox proper is OSS, so it's a trade off.

Takkat

Guest Additions are OSS too.

hbdgaf

really? when did that change?

nutty about natty

@Takkat just install that *.deb and I'm good to go?

Takkat

@hbdgaf it came with the Extension Packs.

@nuttyaboutnatty I always add the repository to my sources.

but other than a PPA you will have to import the signing key.

nutty about natty

20:21

@Takkat are there instructions on the oracle page (or reliable, easy ones elsewhere) ?

Takkat

yeah I gave the link above... scoll down to Debian-based Linux distributions

nutty about natty

ok

Takkat

you can add a software source from the USC too, no need to edit the sources list.

nutty about natty

last question for now:

if I may...

if I isntall via *.deb, can I uninstall again later via ubuntu software center GUI cleanly?

Takkat

you can but then I'd probably prefer the version from the Ubuntu repositories (after enabling multiverse).

at least you then will get security updates.

but as said I always have it from the Oracle repos - never had an issue.

nutty about natty

20:26

thanks Takkat !

@Takkat (but how do you / would you uninstall it? via command-line? via synaptic?)

Takkat

via any including USC...

nutty about natty

(and no need to manually remove the repository from sources)

Takkat

you can add and remove the Oracle repo via Software & Updates > Other Software > Add

after Add.. just copy & paste this:

deb download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib

Then import the key (from a terminal)

wget -q download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -

then you may even be able to install from USC (but I haven't tried that out)

otherwise: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install virtualbox-4.3

nutty about natty

20:56

@Takkat empirically confirmed.

Takkat

always find the USC takes too long to launch... so I don't use it ;)

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