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@Takkat probably having a bad day - all behind the scene stuff is coming from from his native poland - thus it points to UA being a bit p**** from an earlier comment from another of his answers.

Takkat

@fossfreedom yeah altered mental states are another possibility ;)

They may have Popielec today in Poland.

Over here it's the day of hang-over, rather.

mojo706

9:42 AM

Hello everyone!

quick question what is the difference between the packages vim and vim-gtk
anyone please assist :)

jokerdino

one is command line interface and the other is GUI

can I install both?

sure

@jokerdino thanks

hi all

9:49 AM

hi

mojo706

hey

I reviewed all questions on my queue :( Now what to do with myself

fossfreedom

@mojo706 ... answer the 20000 unanswered questions .... :P

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mojo706

20K? :(

jokerdino

yeah just 20k

21,966 to be exact.

mojo706

BBL let me answer some more questions as suggested by @jokerdino :)

Takkat

9:55 AM

@mojo706 Go for Necromancer :)

mojo706

I don't have that yet. How do I answer older questions because everyone looks at the new questions?

jokerdino

if you answer, that question comes to the top

Takkat

In the active list view

mojo706

thanks

Takkat

11:00 AM

Y U SO NOT USE LOWERCASE?

mojo706

I have answered only 2 questions and its been an hour wtf

Takkat

There mostly is a reason for them to be unanswered ;)

mojo706

some are way beyond my level and others I dont know what to say and have flagged a couple

Quick question: Can Deja Dup do backups of directories?

Takkat

dunno - never used it.

mojo706

have you ever used any back up tools?

Takkat

11:08 AM

<-- backups are bad for people who like adventures

I use rsync on an irregular basis

I rarely backup my OS or settings, only important data from HOME.

mojo706

Ok thanks

Takkat

Once I accidentally restored a really old backup instead of backing up my new stuff. This will never happen again, I hope ;)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: "Unable to resolve hostname" - how to cleanly change hostname without rebooting

At work, I work on a small website using Ubuntu servers hosted on Amazon EC2 instances. We have two webservers, and at any given time one of them is 'live' and one is 'testing', but when we've got our new features or bugfixes working on the 'testing' server, we run a script that uses the AWS API ...

mojo706

hahaha backup if what?

Takkat

Then I thought: if only I had never started to back up I still would have my data.

But then my drive had a crash and taught me better.

FEichinger

11:26 AM

ugh ... theverge.com/2013/2/13/3983594/…

mojo706

@FEichinger is this good news?

FEichinger

Partially.

I don't like it, because this means instead of getting everyone to use the same standards, we just go the lazy route and use the same engine everywhere ...

But it's a step forward in regards to complying with those standards.

mojo706

this is good because I for one I'm tired of all those browser prefixes. If all browsers used webkit then it will be standardized then we will stop with all the pre-fixes but also there will be reduced competition.

FEichinger

The prefixes exist for a reason.

Basically, what I expected to see was all three major engines complying with the standards the W3C spurts out.

mojo706

@FEichinger that takes time unfortunately

FEichinger

11:37 AM

I'll bet good money that WebKit will be forked by all three and turned into individual engines again, though.

(Yes, this means I also expect Mozilla to scrap Gecko.)

mojo706

:( who built webkit?

FEichinger

Basically: Apple.

But it's Open Source, so ... Google, Adobe - and now Opera - all contribute as well.

mojo706

How can Firefox scrap gecko when they have b2g coming up?

FEichinger

Gecko is a slow, bloated pile of ... Yeh. If Mozilla want to be anywhere remotely close to the top now that everything uses WebKit, they either blatantly copy WebKit's rendering, or they just use WebKit.

mojo706

true. Html5test.com clearly shows the difference

mojo706

12:22 PM

If a user answers his/her own question is there a way to mark it as closed

fossfreedom

@mojo706 just ask the OP to accept his own answer. If the OP has long gone - then either upvote him - or if a poor answer, flag as too localised and we can judge if to close.

vasa1

Otherwise, there's no need to close questions that have been "self" answered, IMO.

@mojo706, with reference to askubuntu.com/questions/254611/… ?

mojo706

Oh ok

fossfreedom

A question is assumed to be answered if it has an answer with 2 votes or more.

jokerdino

no no. just one vote is enough

mojo706

12:31 PM

even if the answer doesn't help the OP?

jokerdino

why would you vote on an answer that doesn't help?!?!

mojo706

that doesnt help an OP. it may help solve my problem but doesn't help solve your problem?

smartboyhw

My Classroom session about ISO tests starts in 25 minutes!

Hmm 15 votes till my first Silver badge

mojo706

@smartboyhw on which channel?

can I be a passive participant?

Luis Alvarado

I have voted on answers that did not help me

That is why @jokerdino has so many upvotes (Drum roll!!! ^^)

mojo706

12:37 PM

@LuisAlvarado true

Luis Alvarado

Not funny if jokerdino says nothing -.-

Joke going down the drain in 3..2..1..

mojo706

....gone :(

Luis Alvarado

Let us pray for the soul of joke, may joke heaven take thee. I remember when joke made me laugh.. yeap we had some funny times.. Joke I will miss you

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mojo706

star

smartboyhw

@mojo706 #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat in freenode

mojo706

12:43 PM

@smartboyhw TY

jokerdino

@LuisAlvarado >_>

mojo706

>.<

Luis Alvarado

I had prepared a joke for Roland, if I am not online feel free to point Roland to it ^^

Based on his picture from yesterday hehe

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smartboyhw

@LuisAlvarado Just ping @RolandiXor on that:P

Good joke BTW

Luis Alvarado

@RolandiXor - Weird a couple of seconds ago doing @ on roland did not work, now it does.

@RolandiXor - Sup buddy!

mojo706

12:55 PM

@LuisAlvarado hahaha what is CCS3 new technology perhaps?

smartboyhw

1:07 PM

Stupid classbot

mojo706

been waiting :(

smartboyhw

@mojo706 Not my fault

mojo706

@smartboyhw will there be a vid because I'm about to leave :(

jrg

@mojo706 just IRC scrollback

mojo706

Thanks BBL

jrg

1:39 PM

well, there goes the town. Opera is switching to webkit. :(

smartboyhw

@mojo706 what @jrg said

@jrg what!?

jrg

opera.com/press/releases/2013/02/13

FEichinger

2:16 PM

3 hours ago, by FEichinger

ugh ... http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/13/3983594/opera-will-shift-to-webkit-rendering

You're late to the party, I'm afraid :P

Journeyman Geek

2:43 PM

@FEichinger: that makes me oddly sad

vasa1

@jrg Wonder why they mention Chromium: "It makes more sense to have our experts working with the open source communities to further improve WebKit and Chromium, rather than developing our own rendering engine further." I know that Chromium is WebKit-based but why do they want to improve Chromium and not just WebKit?

Journeyman Geek

@vasa1: thats a good question

maybe they are forking off the chromium webkit build?

jokerdino

what was that rendering engine started by the kde people?

Journeyman Geek

KHTML

webkit was a fork of that

KHTML

KHTML is the HTML layout engine developed by the KDE project. It is the engine used by the Konqueror web browser. A forked version of KHTML called WebKit is used by several web browsers, among them Safari and Google Chrome. Distributed under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License, KHTML is free software. Built on the KPart framework and written in C++, KHTML has relatively good support for Web standards. To render as many pages as possible, some extra abilities and quirks from Internet Explorer are also supported, even though those are non-standard. History Origins KHTML w...

jokerdino

right then. kde way up there

Journeyman Geek

2:58 PM

konqueror.org/embedded this seems cool

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

3:13 PM

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Q: What highly user-friendly distros are there?

I gave up Windows for Linux for more than a year now. I initially used Xubuntu 11.10, and then Lubuntu, up to 12.10. Trying to test other Linux distributions than those of Ubuntu, I found that Debian and Fedora as such are not for a newbie like me (one that will stay a newbie), but that having st...

linux ubuntu linux-mint distribution-choice distros

Amith KK

3:45 PM

appears

I seem to have stabilised at 43 votes

smartboyhw

@AmithKK Good

Amith KK

According to the current trend

1 Jokerdino

2. Luis Alvardo

3. RolandiXor

smartboyhw

@AmithKK that's why I said in the election chatroom that the result will be Luis Rolandino

Amith KK

Meh

I'm still waking up at 4:30 :P

smartboyhw

@AmithKK meh

@AmithKK I'll go asleep soon

RolandiXor

3:59 PM

@LuisAlvarado hahaha

Vote Amithkk for congress!

Amith KK

@RolandiXor Hahaha

I wonder what will happen if 4 people withdraw now

FEichinger

You mean 5, no?

If 4 withdraw now, one will still be eliminated.

RolandiXor

O_o

Amith KK

@FEichinger yeah

@RolandiXor you'll be there at 4:30AM IST tommorrow right?

RolandiXor

@AmithKK you mean 7 tonight?

(that's the time I was told in my email)

Amith KK

4:13 PM

Yeah :P

draws sword

Anyone want free 50GB's of cloud storage?

FEichinger

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Q: What are the most effective ways to guide new users?

New users' first contributions to a site, by their nature, often require improvement. There are different methods of dealing with this, and I am looking for evidence that would help understand which are most effective, where "effective" means "this person becomes a positive contributor for the s...

discussion new-users

This could be potentially interesting.

vasa1

@FEichinger Well, argument for sure. The question seems to presume that new users share common features.

FEichinger

4:29 PM

I assume it'll get closed as not constructive.

But I'm definitely gonna watch it. Might show some interesting ideas.

Amith KK

BBT

Good Night

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