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5:06 PM

Hey, anyone following my twitter stream don't panic - I didn't commit suicide, I just restarted.

Somehow... Unity is using way less memory, everything is faster, expo has clean lines, Clementine is not freezing when I play music, LightDM looks better.... O.o even Gwibber is faster!

Bruno Pereira

dont lie! no one follows you twitter stream :P

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro is this a conspiracy to make Ubuntu 12.04 more awesome than ever before?!

If so, then you and all other related persons must be thanked, immensely!

(Don't try to escape it either)

Okay seriously...

Something is very right with my system, and I need to find out what it is..

The memory leak in Compiz is gone...

rlemon

is it possible to not have to run the check from A()?? paste.ubuntu.com/835446

damn, my uri and my link titles don't 100% match.. I got fancy with my UI

Account Information is ubiquitous with Information... this is not good.

jrg

5:37 PM

@RolandTaylor 12.04 is awesome.

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Because I don't know about any compiz mem leaks.

Octavian Damiean

nods

jrg

@RolandTaylor not noticing any gwibber updates and such.

and the open source ATI drivers on 12.04 are being a champ, because it's running on this huge external display with unity 3D no problem. :D

Roland Taylor

@jrg it's not an update to Gwibber, or Unity, or anything of the sort that made the difference O.o

I didn't even update my kernel :D

I think it's a conspiracy :P (or the cgroups update that I had today).

jrg

You just did a reboot and zapped your RAM. :P

Roland Taylor

lol

Octavian Damiean

5:43 PM

had a totally awesome idea for the update-manager

Roland Taylor

Jorge knows the truth, hence why he didn't reply :D...

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Octavian Damiean

If it is possible then it could reduce the update time up to 50%. :)

jrg

@OctavianDamiean explain?

Roland Taylor

@OctavianDamiean spill the beans...

Octavian Damiean

5:49 PM

We already know what the package dependencies are when there is something to update.

jrg

Yeah...

Octavian Damiean

So, why not group the packages that depend upon each other and download that group first, when that group was downloaded start installing it in the background why the other group gets downloaded.

jrg

So you're talking about a redesign of apt-get.

Octavian Damiean

Right now we download everything and then install whatever we've installed.

jrg

Because apt-get has a .lock file which prevents that

Octavian Damiean

5:51 PM

Well why not.

It just doesn't make sense.

Roland Taylor

It makes sense to me. (Octavian's idea).

@lovesh welcome.

lovesh

thanks @RolandTaylor

i have a small prob regarding start and stop of mysql on m ubuntu 10.10

Roland Taylor

askubuntu.com/questions/ask

:P

@lovesh What is the problem, in detail?

lovesh

it used to work well till yesterday but today whenever i start mysql using mysqld_safe as root user it shows `Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
` and then shows `pid ended`

Roland Taylor

Did you run any updates or make any changes?

lovesh

6:00 PM

no

Roland Taylor

Mysql can be a little fickle.

lovesh

thats why i am puzzled

Roland Taylor

Oh okay.

Sounds like a bug then.

lovesh

well it has been running good for 3 months

Roland Taylor

Sure it's not something else that is causing Mysql to quit like that?

lovesh

6:03 PM

well i dont think that but what can cause mysql to quit like that?

Roland Taylor

A couple of things: a bad database (unlikely, but a possibility), a library (like if you updated dependency of MySQL that broke it), or even a hardware issue (like the hard drive having corruption - also unlikely as the cause, but not something to rule out 100%).

I think you need to trace where there was a change made to the system.

lovesh

ok

well there was no change but i used mysql administrator to connect to a remote database but mysql administrator was installed 1 month ago

@RolandTaylor i have opened the mysql error.log but cant make much out of it. can u help?

it says [ERROR] Can't find messagefile '/usr/share/errmsg.sys'

now its running as super user so it cant be that it does not have right permissions

Eren Tantekin

6:20 PM

I really don't get this unity hate.

I'm sure Unity will improve and get better and faster. Overall, I think Ubuntu is heading the right direction in terms of usability.

Roland Taylor

Sorry about that.

@lovesh I'm not sure what that error signifies (beyond a missing file). I would suggest you open a question here.

@ErenTantekin True.

lovesh

@RolandTaylor yes i am doing it on dba.stackexchange becuse its more of a database issue right?

Roland Taylor

@lovesh it actually is very relevant to this site.

lovesh

i ll post a link in this chat. thanks for spending your time

Roland Taylor

@lovesh You should ask here if it is an Ubuntu server/Desktop, and provide a link to the question on dba.se.

lovesh

6:27 PM

ok

@RolandTaylor here is the link askubuntu.com/questions/102875/…

Roland Taylor

@lovesh voted and shared.

lovesh

@RolandTaylor thanks

Roland Taylor

@lovesh you're welcome.

rlemon

6:47 PM

guys I have a UX question...

considering I have 'breadcrumbs' displayed under the main navbar... Do the individual pages also require titles? I'm speaking about the 'Account Information' header under the breadcrumbs.

Octavian Damiean

I'd say yes.

You may find this site interesting.

rlemon

ok.. these 'template' pages without real world data always look a little off.

yea i'm on it.

lol

6:50 PM

pretty much if there is a SE site for X and I want to know about X I know about the site :P

SE junkie.

Octavian Damiean

nods

You're not alone. :P

rlemon

stackexchange.com/users/440327/rlemon?tab=accounts

Octavian Damiean

stackexchange.com/users/183046/octavian-damiean?tab=accounts

rlemon

wow, that list proves how nerdy I am....

yours is also quite nerdified.

Octavian Damiean

:D

Roland Taylor

6:52 PM

O.o

My internet speed has dropped to almost 0...

rlemon

is it important that the link and the page title line up?

Stefano Palazzo

@rlemon yes they do - but anyway, this looks NICE!

Octavian Damiean

@rlemon Huh?

Stefano Palazzo

you should push the little grey circles a bit to the left too, they peek out a bit

rlemon

Stefano Palazzo

6:56 PM

sweet!

rlemon

is it offputting that "Change Username Form" is different than "Change Username"

Stefano Palazzo

don't hesitate to add a whole lot of margin to everything, especially vertically

@rlemon it shouldn't say "form" at all - you know it's a form

rlemon

lol, the 'side menu' does not look so pushed out once you see the entire page.

@StefanoPalazzo ok, these little things mess with my head sometimes.

Stefano Palazzo

I try to make these titles conversational

here's one I prepared earlier:

> Help us fix the problem more quickly by categorizing it:

(replaces "Tags:")

rlemon

@StefanoPalazzo what is this for?

Octavian Damiean

6:59 PM

Tagging I assume?

rlemon

lol smartass

Stefano Palazzo

yes, it's tagging for a bug/issue-tracker

rlemon

how about...

> Yo, where do you want me to file this crap?

Stefano Palazzo

:D

Octavian Damiean

@rlemon <3

rlemon

7:00 PM

that is for the 'underprivileged' developers.

Octavian Damiean

1 hour ago, by Octavian Damiean

had a totally awesome idea for the update-manager

Stefano Palazzo

"Congratulations, I am Prince John the Third and I require your urgent assistance with a tagging transaction" ....

Octavian Damiean

I'd like to know what you think.

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean I think that exists, but that Ubuntu can't deploy it for some weird reason

let me invalidate my memory-cache and refresh it from the internet-repository

Octavian Damiean

Well I know that it is not a new concept but I just don't understand why it would not work.

Stefano Palazzo

7:05 PM

guess I misremembered

@OctavianDamiean it would work, but it would be immensely complex

the best you can do (easily) is concurrently downloading the packages at the start, say 5 at a time

well, "immensely" might be an exaggeration. but it'd be some work

rlemon

jsdo.it/loktar00/l3Xt/fullscreen

Octavian Damiean

Yea that is true, it would require quite a bit of apt-get to be rewritten.

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean most of it probably - assuming it's entirely sequential at the moment. you'd have to do the dependency resolution, then schedule some threads, locks to keep them from overtaking each other, and make sure the dependencies can't lie to you

I mean, it might well be that a bunch of packages in debian rely on the sequential-ness of apt-get in order to install properly

rlemon

2

Stefano Palazzo

MY EYES

rlemon

7:09 PM

after you're done throwing up from watching the first link... you can sit back and lol over the second.

George Edison

@MarcoCeppi: Have you ever written anything for WordPress (like a plugin, etc.)?

Stefano Palazzo

hehe

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison yeah

George Edison

Oh good.

@MarcoCeppi Are they picky about coding style?

Marco Ceppi

Nope

George Edison

7:13 PM

Whew!

Thank you.

Roland Taylor

@rlemon pffffft! Ruby man, Ruby!

rlemon

lol

Octavian Damiean

Ok, why does World of Goo not work now?

Roland Taylor

I can envision a convo between Marco, George, and Jrg.

Marco: Haha... PHP. A snippet and a function, end of story.
Jrg: Yeah? Well I'm wearing shoes, bro.
George: That's cute... but I've got the Qt.

Octavian Damiean

You forgot about Stefano.

Roland Taylor

7:21 PM

He didn't say anything; Pythons hiss :P

Octavian Damiean

Stefano: Meh ... easy Pythonfu.

Roland Taylor

lolol

Stefano Palazzo

I just wrote this a few minutes ago

Octavian Damiean

Hello @Jake.

Stefano Palazzo

    def comment(self, issue, comment):
        ''' add comment bro '''
        doc = self.database.get(issue)
        doc["comments"].append(comment)
        self.database.put(issue, doc)

umad

Octavian Damiean

7:23 PM

:P

You should totally add that as a comment there.

Roland Taylor

:D

Octavian Damiean

umad bro?

heh

Roland Taylor

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Q: No menu option to "switch user" in Cinnamon desktop

The menu has options to lock the screen, log out and shutdown, but there isn't an option that allows me to switch to a different user. Is there another way to do that or, even better, is there a way to add that option to the global menu? I am using Ubuntu 11.10.

Read the comments...

I'm stumped.

I think I'm gonna go have a drink.

Octavian Damiean

Uh ...

Roland Taylor

(Apparently, I can also fly, lift trains, and eat more hotdogs than the world champion).

Stefano Palazzo

7:25 PM

@RolandTaylor assume sarcasm - link to "how do I report a bug" :)

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo good idea :D

rlemon

2

Roland Taylor

Anyone need help with anything btw? Since I'm obligated to fix the world's problems, I'll help everyone after I make North Korea a democracy - brb.

:>

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor thanks!

rlemon

@RolandTaylor I heard China has some censorship issues? I only complain because they're starting to spill over into north america.. so, you know... whenever you get around to it. thanks.

Roland Taylor

7:29 PM

@rlemon fixing

Stefano Palazzo

don't they have a new episode of that today?

Roland Taylor

XD

BTW, I'll also clean up the space junk, while I'm at it...

/extension of joke off

Anyone else having problems with their internet speed on 12.04 after upgrading packages last night?

(Or this morning)

rlemon

@RolandTaylor Can you do something about Pluto.. now that he is no longer a planet I think we should be compensated for all of the time we spent identifying him as one..

Stefano Palazzo

I saw a message saying OMG DON'T UPGRADE TODAY on g+

rlemon

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Q: Internet slow on Ubuntu but not windows

I have just installed a dual boot windows7 /ubuntu 11.10 and the internet is much slower than windows. I have read the post here and tried the solutions presented and none have worked. Here is what I am dealing with; In Windows my internet is as normal, nice and fast. However in ubuntu on my n...

11.10 internet connection download-speed

Roland Taylor

7:32 PM

@rlemon lol I'll see what I can do :D

rlemon

11.10 issue but it might help in your efforts to help others.

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo that one affects Nvidia graphics drivers (only the closed source drivers) and only with a specific version of eglibc.

Stefano Palazzo

oh okay

Roland Taylor

@rlemon thanks

I'm guessing it might not be a problem with 12.04 but rather my connection, but I am not 100% sure right now (because both my systems are on 12.04 and got updated last night).

rlemon

what are you seeing? and what kind of nic?

try downgrading your driver.. that was my solution.

Roland Taylor

7:36 PM

getting a max of around 14Kbps - but the challenge is - two completely different nics and one system also has wireless as an option

rlemon

or what kind of phone you got... speedtest has an android app.

Roland Taylor

and it was fine this morning until I restarted

@rlemon s40 :(

rlemon

qwerty?

Roland Taylor

(Nokia and their "s40 touch and type" nonsense :P... should be symbian - cause it has a 680Mhz ARM processor!!!)

rlemon

there are a few s40's listed on my search result.

Roland Taylor

7:37 PM

X3-02

rlemon

flash work?

Roland Taylor

yep

rlemon

try to speedtest from your phone wifi

Roland Taylor

I'll give it a shot

rlemon

it will be slower than desktop obviously.. but should only drop 10-20% depending on your phone.

Stefano Palazzo

7:38 PM

@RolandTaylor I've got a problem with one of those maybe you can help?

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo sure

@rlemon 1 sec

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor I want to wipe it clean, but I don't know if that'll wipe the map-data as well. I can't find the ovi maps anywhere as a download

nokia seems to have shut down everything to do with Ovi

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo do you have Nokia Suite?

Stefano Palazzo

I guess I could install it, I've got a windows VM

Roland Taylor

If you do, you might be able to wipe map-data from there.

Only problem is, Ovi Suite has some quirks with USB on a VM.

Stefano Palazzo

7:41 PM

ah, I want to wipe everything except the maps :)

Roland Taylor

Ohhhh

Stefano Palazzo

I tried doing the factory reset from the menu (not the proper hardcore one), but that left me with a pile of email and texts

Roland Taylor

I think you might be able to do it from Gnokii on Ubuntu, but I'm not 100% since I have not tried that

Stefano Palazzo

gwhatnow? fires up the google

Roland Taylor

lol

it's in software center :P

Stefano Palazzo

7:43 PM

oh that looks cool

Roland Taylor

@rlemon flash doesn't want to work :(... Stupid "flash lite" junk

Stefano Palazzo

maybe I can just wipe the text and email there, that'd be all I need. thanks! I'll try that

rlemon

that sucks..

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo this is a Symbian phone btw?

Stefano Palazzo

yes, it's a C5

Roland Taylor

7:44 PM

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

My bro has a C5, and I was going to get one myself :P

Stefano Palazzo

it's a lovely phone (has some issues)

Roland Taylor

You may be able to access the filesystem from Ubuntu using psion (I think that's the name)

Yeah, I wish I had one :P

But the day I went, it was out of stock :(

and my old phone was in urgent need of the trash

:)

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor there's a bit of a hitch with the C5. Since nokia abandoned Ovi, some of the "cloud" stuff doesn't work

like email, calendar, contact syncing, updates for maps, I could go on

damn you nokia

Octavian Damiean

What are you planning to do with that thing?

Stefano Palazzo

so the features will still work, just not integrate with Nokia's web services

Octavian Damiean

7:46 PM

Want to sell it?

Stefano Palazzo

I'll give it to my dad

Octavian Damiean

I see, what will you get?

Stefano Palazzo

once the embarrassing texts are all deleted :D

@OctavianDamiean a "thank you", I hope? ;-)

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo it's even worse for me, because the X3-02 is somewhere between smart phone and feature phone :S

@rlemon 12.04 is cleared - the problem is either my ISP or the modem

Stefano Palazzo

eh? is that not pretty much the same thing?

Roland Taylor

7:49 PM

Not really

Symbian is officially a Smart Phone OS (can multitask for example, has Qt, etc)

s40 touch and type is like a detuned copy of Symbian :S

Stefano Palazzo

I <3 nokia phones, they're just prettier

Roland Taylor

I want the N9 >:]

Stefano Palazzo

you know,

you could probably pick up a used N900 for just a wee bit more than the C5 on ebay

that's running gtk and everything

rlemon

OK Guys! when you have an add/edit/delete/view option for an item (blog, article, note, links, ect) and each will require a 'view', for separation should I create a separate page for each or just one add/edit/view page with a lot of php checks..

Roland Taylor

oh yeah!

Stefano Palazzo

7:52 PM

@rlemon create a separate page, unless you integrate the functionality somehow. I often just put the content view and edit form beneath each other, hide the form with javascript, and show it when you click the edit button

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo Heh, I meant what phone will you buy?

Stefano Palazzo

two lines of jquery, 100% customer satisfaction :P

rlemon

@StefanoPalazzo yea that wont due.. I don't want edit and view on the same page.

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean oic :D My sister gave me her old iphone a while ago

rlemon

<div>Item Name: <?php echo isset( $item['name'] ) ? '<input blah blah />' : '<span> blah </span>'; ?> </div> <- this is what i'm trying to avoid..

Stefano Palazzo

7:54 PM

@rlemon right. definitely separate pages then. just make sure to use one base css plus separate stylesheets for all your views, then it'll be very easy to maintain

so it'd be "views/page.html" "views/css/page.css" and "assets/base.css"

rlemon

welp.. looks like it's gonna be

views/blah/add_item.php
views/blah/view_item.php
views/blah/edit_item.php

Im actually quite pleased with my recent CSS code... 99% of it is reusable.. i only need one css file for the most part.

I try for very generic class rules that can be stacked together to create nice effects.

Stefano Palazzo

when can we take a look at the site? :)

Octavian Damiean

Ok, what the hell? Flash broke after the last update. :/

rlemon

@StefanoPalazzo it's for work... but it is/will be open sourced.. so you'll be able to fork it once i'm done.

Shipping / Sales / Inventory management system.

Stefano Palazzo

I'll just steal a few things from your design work <3

rlemon

8:06 PM

lol, have at'er

@StefanoPalazzo gist.github.com/1688928 apple-esk menu bar

I think the only change I added from that version was the shadow.

Stefano Palazzo

cool

@rlemon by the way, there is <nav> element that you can use instead of <div class="menu"> (<nav> for navigation, <menu> for controls like "edit", "delete", ...)

rlemon

never-mind.. apparently I made a lot of changes.

I know.. but I am always hesitant to use new elements until I can be 100% they're going to be picked up by all browsers.

a lot of the HTML5 elements I will not use until IE9 becomes the earliest IE I have to support. (i'm paranoid)

Stefano Palazzo

are you supporting IE6? I'm 80% sure they'll work in ie7 if you add "display: block"

rlemon

@StefanoPalazzo and i'm 100% sure that <div class="menu"> is supported in all versions :P

jrg

Sweet light-themes update - hope that fixes all the problems I've been having lately. :P

Stefano Palazzo

8:11 PM

fair enough (:

rlemon

it's a matter of personal choice.. so I don't have to test/worry I choose the older method.

I would love to use <header> and <footer> tags..

Jorge Castro

castrojo.tumblr.com/post/17329550762/…

new blog!

who rocks at nginx and wordpress!

jrg

oooohhhh jekyll.

Octavian Damiean

You know what @JorgeCastro? You're really mean!

I thought that I can catch up on the edits and then I realized that I misread your edit count for this quarter. 1090 edits ... that is sick bro!

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I was all like, Oh awesome, 109 edits. Five seconds later. FML WTH!?

Roland Taylor

8:31 PM

Back

Jorge Castro

@jrg jekyll looks badass

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro edits with a quad core hand-cessor.

Octavian Damiean

I don't know, I guess he has a twin or something.

Bruno Pereira

I was actually ahead of him this quarter... until he logged in!

2

Roland Taylor

He is the collective.

@BrunoPereira LOL!

Octavian Damiean

8:33 PM

hehe

Bruno Pereira

I was so proud man, 1 full day of editing / sc2 gaming.

1st hour he caught my edits score, 2nd hour he humiliated me by tripling , 3rd one he laughed and showed me the light: "its just a number" he said, "and I, @JorgeCastro am awesome, just like the Kung-Fu Panda!"

^ true story

I stopped caring about the number after this! (actually I do look at it, but try to imagine Jorge is not there)

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Octavian Damiean

If you already thought that this was sick then take a seat now. He has 10,719 revisions in total!

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Q: Unable to make glib-2.28.0

Making all in gmodule make[2]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu_abhi/Desktop/C Dependencies/glib-2.28.0/gmodule' make all-am **make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu_abhi/Desktop/C Dependencies/glib-2.28.0/gmodule' CC gmodule.lo CCLD libgmodule-2.0.la /bin/sed: can't read Dependenc...

glib

Huh?

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