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00:00
@jrg Doesn't seem like he doesn't like it.
jrg
jrg
Maybe I don't bug people about appindicator stuff enough, but it sounds to me like he's not exactly... thrilled.
00:19
No developer would be: "Oh, this changed, can you fix it?"
Hi. I'm back.
@GeorgeEdison have you tested StackApplet in 11.10?
I think I have the output you need to fix it.
(stackapplet.py:7361): libnotify-WARNING **: you must call notify_init() before showing
**
libnotify:ERROR:notification.c:568:notify_notification_show: code should not be reached
Aborted (core dumped)
00:36
What's the core dump say?
I didn't say what the core dump says (or am I missing something)
Well, it says it core dumped, so there should be a dump in the running directory
oh
there isn't any :(
01:03
so many questions where people have asked for more information in comments, and none was given
Can you answer this? Gnome panel hides window titlebar http://askubuntu.com/questions/28263/gnome-panel-hides-window-titlebar #gnome
@ajmitch I'm really not sure what to do with those - they're abandoned, should we be closing them?
Maybe I'll ask on meta - @ajmitch can you drum up a few examples?
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Q: Bind9 fails to start

Gordon McIntoshAfter 3 weeks of trying to diagnose a failure of bind9, to start I have to admit I need assistance. Initially it was running correctly and when I made a modification to a bind file and re-run it an error msg came back rndc: 127.0.0.1#953 bind9 start fail It also fails to start on any other bi...

that was one I just looked at, logs were asked for & none given
I'm willing to say "too localized". But here's the catch:
@RolandTaylor I haven't downloaded 11.10 yet.
01:09
~3 months since the question was asked, not really much information there if someone else has a similar problem
This looks like one of the "hasty" delete's on my party
wonderful
undelete, move to comment?
So the comment is the answer, the answer which was deleted, was a comment to the comment which should have been an answer
so it was answered, but shows up in unanswered :)
01:10
so we can upboat?
oh dang!
@JorgeCastro There's no "answer"
answered by our very own rockstar here :)
Need to convert the comment to an answer :)
@JorgeCastro I'm still jealous about that rock'n roll ribs being so close to you
There, put a little bit of magic on that question
It's still a crappy answer, and a crappy question. Basically the equivalent of "Oh, just reboot"
01:15
@MarcoCeppi upvoted it, thanks
some questions just make me wince, though
Yeah, I know the feeling
@GeorgeEdison oh I see, np.
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Q: What to do with abandoned questions?

Marco CeppiIt's inevitable that people will come to this site, ask a low quality question, and not return to follow up on comments requesting additional information. What should be done with these examples? Closed as too localized? What would be the criteria to determine when, if any, action should be taken?

01:30
I see a few questions which are like "I ran this random script that I found, now stuff doesn't work as I expect"
02:00
LOVE this answer meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1843/… Going to start doing this more often.
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MJB
MJB
02:25
Just out of curiosity. I just learned Firefox 7 is released. How long do involved parties take usually before we all can have it puched as an update?
@MarcoCeppi excellent, time to start weeding out the unanswered list
02:51
Doesn't the system do autoweeding eventually for old abandoned questions anyway?
Is there a way to find old questions with no answers?
03:13
Not specifically old questions
03:46
@JorgeCastro Takes too long
04:14
What are the conceptual and technical differences between "Apps" and packages? http://askubuntu.com/questions/63434/what-are-the-conceptual-and-technical-differences-between-apps-and-packages #packages
04:34
:( I so want ssh with free hosting
05:10
@MarcoCeppi: Wasn't there supposed to be some announcement tonight?
05:46
Uh-oh!
API has been failing the last week or so.
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@GeorgeEdison No adverts allowed :P
 
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06:51
0
Q: Is it possible to inverse partition numbers?

kriomThat is the current configuration /dev/sda1 : ntfs primary 200GiB /dev/sda3 : extended 400GiB /dev/sda5 : ext4 396GiB /dev/sda6 : linux-swap 4GiB and that is the wanted configuration : /dev/sda1 : ntfs primary 200GiB /dev/sda3 : extended 400GiB /dev/sda5 : linux-swap ...

huh?
I think he wants the '/dev/sdxx' names swapped.
...but doesn't the kernel create those files when it detects the drives / partitions?
yeah, i understand what he wants, just not why. :D
you use UUIDs to access partitions, else: physically putting your system parition further to the end of the drive is bad due to decreased I/O performance.
07:06
Disable changelog for apt-get upgrade? http://askubuntu.com/questions/63496/disable-changelog-for-apt-get-upgrade #upgrade
Well... all of the Stack.PHP tests pass now.
Now I need to create a set of caching interfaces.
I'm thinking of adding a function that lets you specify the amount of traffic you're expecting to get (high / low) and it will adjust caching accordingly.
High traffic == High TTL.
Low traffic == Low TTL.
Can anyone think of anything other than a filestore or SQL database that you would want to cache API data to?
(I can't.)
Well... anyway... night all!
Goodbye!
07:27
@GeorgeEdison cya!
07:39
@GeorgeEdison Good night
07:50
YESSSSS @htorque they have pushed the fix into the update
"the fix"? they constantly push fixes :D
read: no idea which fix you are talking about. :D
GnomeMeta3
08:10
0
Q: No sound on Ubuntu 11.04

user589216I have a problem on my notebook (MSI E-620) running Ubuntu Natty Narrow x86. When I installed it there was just output, when I plugged my headphones in. The speakers in my notebook do not play anything. I tried a lot - now I don't have a listed sounddevice in Audio-Settings. The following erro...

09:02
don't we have a question on how to enable universe/multiverse repos?
i'm doing one now, so if you find another one, let me know
Given that universe has been enabled by default for several releases, I don't think it's something that comes up often
the wiki tells me that it's been on by default since 9.04
oops
@ajmitch i confused that with restircted/multiverse
@ajmitch thanks!
time for a vm install before giving more wrong answers :-)
10:08
Hello all
Hey, nice to see you!
jrg
jrg
Hello peoples.
heya @jrg
jrg
jrg
Stupidest commit message I've ever done. :P "ignore git folder (git is used by @jrgifford since he's too lazy to deal with svn)"
Bounty offered: HSDPA modem only working on certain USB ports http://askubuntu.com/questions/63028/hsdpa-modem-only-working-on-certain-usb-ports #usb
10:26
wow, so main/universe/restricted/multiverse are all enabled by default :-o
i'm full of outdated knowledge :..(
@htorque You got UBWHAPND
what?
UBUNTUWHATPWNAGE
10:57
@MarcoCeppi ping me when you get around, I've got a question
11:15
maybe more than one :)
11:29
@StefanoPalazzo Ping
morning :-)
Morning
@GeorgeEdison Yes, I'm just waiting for my copy editor to review it :)
okay, I'm a bit confused. I told you that I've had this idea for a python RPC SaaS thing
picloud.com like this
Yes, I remember
I've now solved the problems I mentioned, and it's pretty much ready to go
11:31
:O
even implemented a basic log for charging customers, which of course could be a database connection
I'm confused because it's so little code. I wonder if I might not be a bit naive
what do you think picloud does?
apart from spinning up lots of servers and load-balancing these requests
Well, I'm sure the actual "cloud" bit isn't too crazy - more like a beefed up version of the API you made.
I think the real infrastructure investment is in the actual infrastructure management where you need to run predictive analysis to determine when to spin up machines and when to spin down machines
And the customer management part - but it sounds like you figured that out as well.
how difficult can that be? you have a database with customers, and then tally up the CPU time of the functions they run, no?
Sure, but then you also need to calculate bandwidth and diskspace usage (if you're going to charge for it)
right, I can do that
running the servers such that they can't write onto the disk should be easy too, I guess. it's only the infrastructure that's left then
can you give me a sense of how difficult this would be?
11:43
Not really. Depends on how you virtualize but you're looking at creating a few basic templates (most vm software allow for templates) then just using some sort of metric (no more than 10 people running on X size machine at a time) to determine when to spawn more of one time (uh oh, 80% capacity on machine type Alpha. Need to spawn one more).
For each template I would advise baking a few tools that take care of things like chroot setup, per user cleaning, per server cleaning (to avoid having to "spin down" then bring up a new instance everytime it's not in use - you could just run the "clean user" to remove that users chroot env or "clean all" to just reset the server without recreating it)
@MarcoCeppi I don't think that's required. if the actual server (the thing that runs user-defined functions) runs with no privileges, any user can run code on any server. I'd just need to watch the overall load and add servers
these servers are stateless of course. each request includes their customer key and the function code
right, in that event chrootin' would be overkill on a per customer basis. Creating a script to monitor load wouldn't be terribly hard either
12:02
@MarcoCeppi there we are: cloud.plzz.de
let me know if you want to play with it
I'd love to!
I'll send you a key via email
uhm, hang on
as soon as I log out of my ssh session, it returns 500s
:\
They also have this
right. these are all to easy to add
(email is on it's way)
@MarcoCeppi don't forget, you have full privileged now (root)
don't run os.system("rm -rf /") please ;-)
jrg
jrg
12:19
No sandboxing with arkose? :(
@StefanoPalazzo d8)
@jrg isn't that for desktop apps?
jrg
jrg
@StefanoPalazzo You mean GUI?
no clue, it says "Desktop Application Sandboxing" on their project page
jrg
jrg
shrug it's a copy-on-write sandbox - rm -rf /* won't do the host any harm. I sandbox Apache (when I actually need apache on my main machine)
12:33
huh
I'll take a look at it, thanks!
jrg
jrg
You're welcome! :)
(side note: VC works fine in a sandbox)
awesome
I'm off for 20 minutes
12:50
Whoo.. Wassup?
13:05
@StefanoPalazzo Works pretty well :D (Finally go around to testing it)
Bounty offered: How do system wide proxy settings work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/61627/how-do-system-wide-proxy-settings-work #configuration
fresh from the EU: ACTA is not going to be signed by the EU \o/
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Removed the pesky software center
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards on intellectual property rights enforcement. ACTA would establish a new international legal framework that countries can join on a voluntary basis The scope of ACTA includes counterfeit goods, generic medicines and copyright infringement on the Internet. The idea to create a plurilateral agreement on counterfeiting was developed by Japan and the United States in 2006. Canada, the European Union and Switzerland joined the preliminary talks throughout ...
Oli
Oli
@Rinzwind Is it not? Hooray
I saw something on /. yesterday essentially saying everybody (inc EU) was going ahead with it but I'm glad it's changed
13:16
yes; it looked like they would but surprisingly they will NOT
well they are not signing it this saturday ;=)
@FlackBot tell Rinzwind that its not done
@rinzwind: Its not done
@AmithKK Why. Why did you make flackbot do that. Please, please refrain from pointless noise.
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@Rinzwind: Its not done
@MarcoCeppi Oh sorry
:/ :-- :\
Something tells me I have exceeded marco's temper
I better leave
13:21
-.0, that is all
@AmithKK Hardly, just please use common sense when chatting.
[E] common_sense: Object not found
just kiddin ;)
13:43
@MarcoCeppi man, that guy's answer to you on meta
haha, things I wish we would have known from day 1.
@JorgeCastro you dont have a faq
jrg
jrg
So, we can start closing stuff left and right?
yeah, we can probably do it smartly though
like, say, a year+ old and no responses or edits from the OP and see how huge the list is
Link to this question in the spotlight on meta?
jrg
jrg
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Q: What to do with abandoned questions?

Marco CeppiIt's inevitable that people will come to this site, ask a low quality question, and not return to follow up on comments requesting additional information. What should be done with these examples? Closed as too localized? What would be the criteria to determine when, if any, action should be taken?

13:46
I <3 HedgeMage - always full of opinions that i seem to share
doesn't the system remove questions after a long time that get like no views and low votes?
I could have sworn I read that somewhere
jrg
jrg
Never seen anything like that.
@JorgeCastro it just awards the user a tumbleweed badge :)
14:09
@JorgeCastro I've started doing it more aggressively
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Q: Firefox awesome bar unreadable

ShishantThis seems to be a very old problem for Firefox users on ubuntu but with no solution, Editting userchrome.css but there is no chrome folder in my firefox Creating a new profile

I mean, within reason (say, 2-3 days), we could probably safely close these
It'll greatly assist in our unanswered numbers and will be a sign post for new users: Don't abandon your questions.
I bet we have way older ones than 2-3 days
Oh, no doubt.
Not sure how to weed them out though.
Could make a query
query, meta?
jrg
jrg
starts wading through the unanswered questions list
oh dude
I know
older than X, has a tumbleweed, and no edits from the OP.
I wonder how many that would be
14:12
There's no way to query "tumbleweed" from data.se
well, I mean with the no edits too
oh
yeah I already watch for tumbleweeds and edit them if they need it
Though could craft a query that finds comments with key words like "Can you", "more information" and checks for unanswered with low votes
@MarcoCeppi yeah that would work
I bet we have a ton of old junk from when before we were more targetted
I'll try to whip up something in a minute
14:37
@jrg you told him how to delete a bug?
jrg
jrg
..... oops. :P
It's gone now. @RolandTaylor
@jrg cool :D
jrg
jrg
did you get my email?
14:52
@JorgeCastro Do you think excluding questions with no accepted answer but has answers with two ore more upvotes be required as well?
I think we should do what the software does and consider them answered
whew, 17 unity commits today (mostly merge requests)
think they feel the final freeze breeze :P
people forgetting/ignoring accepted answers isn't so bad when the answers are voted
Cool, almost done.
it's the abandoned ones with like "could you add more detail?" and is impossible to move forward that are the sucky ones
14:59
@jrg not yet
@JorgeCastro @MarcoCeppi but it's also difficult to automatically find those. e.g., i just browsed through some pages at the end of askubuntu.com/… and it's not like there's an obvious pattern. :-(
@htorque That's why I'm building a query for it, should help weed out those that need attention
like this:
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Q: Random images appearing in my home dir... Where are they coming from?

OliHere's an odd problem I've had for a while. Every so often, I find that I have several jpeg images sitting in my home directory that I didn't put there. I'm fairly sure this isn't a security breach but rather, there's something writing these files in there that I've forgotten about. Here's what ...

who is this @Oli guy? and why is there so little feedback? :D
wow, that is just odd
Must really be pissing off the SE server team :)
Ohhh, now I know what's wrong. It's the dump lag
duh
Need to pay more attention
15:19
although... the Ubuntu one icon isn't antialiased :(
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WebClientError
'500'
'<!DOCTYPE html>\n<!--[if IE 7 ]><html class="ie7" lang="en"><![endif]-->\n<!--[if IE 8 ]><html class="ie8" lang="en"><![endif]-->\n<!--[if (gte IE 9)|!(IE)]><!--><html lang="en"><!--<![endif]-->\n<head>\n <meta charset="utf-8" />\n \n <script type="text/javascript">\n var _gaq = _gaq || [];\n _gaq.push([\'_setAccount\', \'UA-6230559-1\']);\n _gaq.push([\'_trackPageview\']);\n _gaq.push([\'_trackPageLoadTime\']);\n\n (function() {\n var ga = document.createElement(\'script\
okaaaay
I think I got the query
Hello everyone
Hey, nice to see you!
@FlackBot How are you?
I'm not that smart - I haven't learned that command quite yet.
15:31
OKay, it's not perfect, some "false" positives show up, but for the most part:
chill out with the bot please
tally ho, see ya 'round
is feeling friendly... leaves chat room
@Sathya <3
15:51
Firefox... 10....
jrg
jrg
They'll be past Chromium numbers by the end of the year at this rate.
they release at the same rate though
so they'll always be the same distance apart
jrg
jrg
I thought they were moving to a 5 week instead of 6 week...
16:01
Lol I guess it feels faster because of the recency of the change to rapid releases, and the fact that I'm using two PPAs for Firefox :)
I have 9 and 10 on my system :O
jrg
jrg
@RolandTaylor gasp they can do that?
For some reason the chromium PPA's have been abandoned... :(
(I wish I had 8 and 7 as well :()
they haven't been abandoned we're just behind
I have Firefox 9 and Nightly 10
jrg
jrg
16:02
Behind by... four+ weeks?
@jrg one browser guy went on vacation and one guy is doing Firefox right now and the community guy moved on
Chris is back from vacation so he can even out the firefox load and then micah can work on chromium
jrg
jrg
@JorgeCastro Ah. Ok, cool.
brb restarting firefox (to run 10)
MJB
MJB
I haven't been keeping up with FFox's state in Ubuntu. Does a software update (from one distro) also updates these major version versions from FF?
jrg
jrg
@MJB As far as I know, it's security updates only.
16:04
yes, but only on 11.04
on 10.10 and 10.04 it won't get updated until Mozilla EOLs 3.6.x
jrg
jrg
Do we have a question/answer for that yet?
yeah
I used to update it every time but now I made it general
sigh... when will Mozilla give the Linux Firefox a fresh interface design like they do on Windows and Mac?
it's getting boring...
jrg
jrg
@RolandTaylor One word: Fragmentation.
10 nightly is just like 9.. only marginally faster
16:06
70
Q: How do I install the latest stable version of Firefox?

danimajoI want to install the latest Firefox on my Ubuntu (64bit) box. What is the best way to do this? Is there a specific update site or should I download the binaries manually? If doing manually, in which directory should I put the files? In my home directory, or is there a better place?

jrg
jrg
You've got LXDE, GNOME, XFCE, KDE. Talk about fragmented UIs.
MJB
MJB
@JorgeCastro
@jrg yeah, but the apps that run on them aren't fragmented...
MJB
MJB
Thanx!
In other words, we run the same apps on several difference D.E.s, so it shouldn't be a problem for Mozilla to give us a "Linux" look.
jrg
jrg
16:07
@RolandTaylor shrug it's difficult when you're dealing with three different OSes.
@jrg Each interface solves a specific problem, fragmentation or distributed bliss?
there's no such thing as a "linux" look
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linux is a kernel
To be fair, many Windows users (and Mac users) mod their interfaces...
@jrg yeah?
jrg
jrg
@JorgeCastro Amen. :P
@JorgeCastro its a "gtk" look?
16:08
@JorgeCastro .... you know what I mean...
Can we have a casual conversation folks? I'm not wearing my science hat...
jrg
jrg
@MarcoCeppi The proper answer to that is "Yes".
throws technicality through the window :)
catches the aforementioned technicality and throw's it back to Roland
Maybe if Mozilla would at least make themes not suck under Linux systems (Linux in this case == the distros), then we could just do our own theming...
All the themes I've tried look great on the windows version of firefox...
and look like <insert form of waste matter here> on Linux
/rant off... don't like talking to mahself...
thats true, we all went to grab a CUP OF COFFEAHH
16:18
What to do with abandoned questions? http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1843/what-to-do-with-abandoned-questions #discussion
Guys can you close this - askubuntu.com/q/63586/18887
@nitstorm Reason?
16:33
@MarcoCeppi it's an exact duplicate, i have already flagged it too...
@MarcoCeppi Thanks :)
@nitstorm Ah, you didn't mention that anywhere. You can always leave a comment on the post as well. That way if a moderator isn't around the community can do it's job and close it themselves :)
@MarcoCeppi Ah, okay. Next time onwards, I'll leave a comment. Thanks Marco :)
np! Thanks for helping out
@MarcoCeppi: Were we supposed to hear an announcement yesterday?
...or did I miss it?
@GeorgeEdison it's not published yet, my copywriter is in class right now :)
16:37
Ah.
Also, please let me know if the unanswered question count dips below 4000 - it will break the unit tests for Stack.PHP and I'll have to update it with a new number.
(I'm using 4000 right now since that seems to be a reasonably stable minimum - barring mass community action.)
@GeorgeEdison what's the link?
1 min ago, by George Edison
Also, please let me know if the unanswered question count dips below 4000 - it will break the unit tests for Stack.PHP and I'll have to update it with a new number.
Oh... you want to see the unit tests?
...or download the latest code?
@GeorgeEdison apologies, should've been more clear. I mean to ask why set the limit to 4000? Why have a limit at all? What does the limit have to do with unit tests failing?
16:44
Well, every single route in the API has a unit test.
Stack.PHP comes up with some parameters and makes a request.
right.
...in order to make sure the results are what Stack.PHP originally requested, it performs some checks on the returned data.
One of the checks on the /questions/unanswered route is that there are a minimum of 4000 questions returned.
The reason being that unless some community action takes place, the number will likely always be higher than that.
So if the API returns a lower number - that triggers an error.
makes sense
And unless there really were fewer unanswered questions, it would find a bug in the API.
@GeorgeEdison ah, cool.
17:21
Good job Bazaar: I guess 6.2 would have to be Windows Vista, wouldn't it?
@GeorgeEdison Hey
@GeorgeEdison Good news, I'm upgrading my systems, so you can now get your own VM and do as you please
Really?
...I can install Ubuntu on it?
@GeorgeEdison most certainly.
17:25
Awesome!
I don't know how to thank you.
@GeorgeEdison Money is always good..... No, not really
@GeorgeEdison Any how, I'm getting this bad boy ebay.com/itm/…
So when will all of this happen?
So I'm going to setup a private cloud. my old servers will run Linux VMs and I'm going to scrap one of them
@GeorgeEdison Well, I get the box next week (tues or wends) but it might be a day or so to get everything ready
@GeorgeEdison Do you have a guess on how much resources you'll want?
17:30
Hmm...
I'm pretty light on RAM. FlackBot is the biggest hog.
The data server uses literally <20MB.
So 256 or 512MB would be enough I think.
Lemme see how much Ubuntu Server needs.
It's quoting 128MB here, so 256 should be enough.
Everything else can just scale, I think.
@GeorgeEdison hmm, well I'll have 2 boxes with 2 GHZx 2 Processors with 4GB of RAM that can only run Linux so you'll most likely get atleast 1 dedicated processor and 2GB of RAM
@GeorgeEdison I'm assuming you'll need a dedicated static IP also?
I don't think so...
...but I'm not sure.
I not too sure about these sorts of things. DNS / IP configuration always confused me.
Maybe it would be easier to explain how things are set up.
@GeorgeEdison Though in fact, I think I'll try it out on an idle box today, so you could get your VM today/tomorrow
17:36
We have FlackBot, which doesn't need anything - it's a client application.
@GeorgeEdison OK, how does the dataserver work?
We have the Ask Ubuntu data server which listens on two ports.
@GeorgeEdison what ports?
12345 and 12346.
(I know, creative, right?)
I can change those if need be.
@GeorgeEdison No, you don't need one then. I don't mind giving you one, but they are expensive and scarce so if you need one let me know( for a webserver ect)
17:39
I know... you've done so much already.
I'll do my best to avoid needing one.
That's about it then - the daily builds for JS Studio don't need anything - it's just a script.
@GeorgeEdison I mean I have plenty, but I try to use them wisely
17:54
@StefanoPalazzo ok so from talking to ken
he thinks he had an easier time rewriting his lens than porting it
right, that's what he told me
I have all the StackExchange stuff in a separate module, the actual lens is really slim
ugh :\ I need to talk to a person who understands openID. this is driving me up the wall
I am not that person.
OpenID == Complicated

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