Game Development

The Masked Rebel

16:00

@Tyyppi_77 I will trust it... for now

PintOfMilk

VM356:6 Uncaught ReferenceError: result is not defined
at <anonymous>:6:1

FreezePhoenix

@PintOfMilk yes i know

Jimmy

i saw that ninja edit :)

FreezePhoenix

We all did

There. That works.

All ~~568~~ 668 pokemon and their stats stored in a single array

crap that didn't work

nwp

> But I only wanted 400. Can you help me reduce the size of the array?

PintOfMilk

16:02

yeah but can you do it so all of attacks are all in one list

FreezePhoenix

@PintOfMilk why would you do that?

They are already like that in the page...

user92578

Hey... please keep a civil tone

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 when you ignore a user, does that user know

user92578

no

PintOfMilk

yeah but for example Bulbasaur attack is 45 and then I want ivysaurs pokemon attack stat directly underneath it.

user92578

16:04

well, it might become obvious after a while, but there is no message or anything

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 What if he tries to ping me

PintOfMilk

so 45 nextline 60 nextline 80

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel you wont get pinged

Jimmy

pintofmilk, that's goiing to be quite difficult to work with -- you will very likely want rows of data rather than columns of data

FreezePhoenix

@PintOfMilk tell you what...

PintOfMilk

16:06

@FreezePhoenix yes

FreezePhoenix

w3schools.com/js/default.asp

user92578

@FreezePhoenix quite a lot of garbage in the array because you used nextSibling instead of nextSiblingElement

FreezePhoenix

@Tyyppi_77 woops

Almo

@FreezePhoenix click "fixed font" when posting code. that will maintain formatting

FreezePhoenix

@Almo I had done it...

Almo

16:08

oh ok :)

just makin sure you knew

no need to ping me if it's obvcious you're responding to me

FreezePhoenix

@Tyyppi_77 btw it removed all the numbers

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel that's pretty rude

nwp

@Tyyppi_77 I watched the video on that and the "boink" sound on character deaths sounds out of place.

user92578

it's not a death sound

Almo

hey anyone use excel on win 10? I have this weird thing wehre dragging the window is slow

nwp

16:11

By character I mean enemy and by video I mean the trailer.

user92578

its the sound that plays when you gain shield points

Almo

SHIELD POINTS

Jimmy

I use excel on win 10, dragging seems fine to me

Almo

ok

user92578

slow for me too

Almo

16:12

thanks probably something weird with my video card then

nwp

Oh. That makes sense. I supposed shield gain is linked to enemy deaths. That's confusing.

Almo

this is work PC, so i'll just ignore it

user92578

that actually feels awful but sort of like a feature?

Jimmy

hmmm actually it is "slower"

like by about 30ms latency?

FreezePhoenix

We'll pay you $1.47 to post on social media about our products, $2.05 to mention it in any group chats you're in, and 11 cents per passenger each time you drive your office carpool past one of our billboards.

user92578

16:13

@nwp Yeah the shield bit is extremely useful as a gameplay element but it's not tied to the stuff very well or very obvious at all

user92578

what was flagged?

FreezePhoenix

hm... was it my image?

PintOfMilk

@jimmy you have seem to do $(".l").text() and that worked how do you get to the next collumn

user92578

@Almo My guess is that the Office team is doing something weird with their custom windows

Jimmy

as I mentioned earlier, your approach here seems wrong. you want to get each row of data at once, like the code Freeze showed you

PintOfMilk

16:15

But I don't

FreezePhoenix

If you want verticle rows just rotate the array

PintOfMilk

I want a new list for attack a new list of defence etc

FreezePhoenix

Look up how to rotate arrays

The Masked Rebel

My code is WORKING

at last

Jimmy

@Pint yes, that's not how you should store your data

but if you really want to, and I preface this with "THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE YOU TROUBLE LATER ON", do $('.l').next().text()

The Masked Rebel

16:17

What is linked phase.

Jimmy

to get all the HPs

FreezePhoenix

@Jimmy no...

The Masked Rebel

I saw some code about it and it looked like broadphase to me

FreezePhoenix

You must loops over every stat

PintOfMilk

but if I have an each list for each isn't easy rather than what you are suggesting?

user92578

16:17

@Almo I just tried and it stopped lagging if I lowered my mouse's polling rate

FreezePhoenix

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PintOfMilk

@FreezePhoenix can I have a reason?

FreezePhoenix

Because you would be typing about the same amount of code, and you end up with several objects.

var elements = document.getElementsByClassName("l");
var results = []
for (var i = 0; i < elements.length; i += 1) {
  var j = 0
  results[i] = []
  results[i][j] = elements[i].textContent
  var element = elements[i]
  while(element.nextSibling !== null) {
    j++
    results[i][j] = element.nextSibling.textContent
    element = element.nextSibling
  }
}
results = results.map( (item) => {
  var r = item.filter( item => item.replace("↵", "") != "")
  r = r.map( item=>item.replace("↵",""))
  return r

Works just fine.

PintOfMilk

well if I'm doing it on python isn't quicker to just look up att[0] for the first pokemon when I am using it in my calculations for example

user92578

not quicker and the code is more messy

FreezePhoenix

16:20

@PintOfMilk You said you wanted lists of atributes.

user92578

pokemonStats[0].attack

The Masked Rebel

Thanks for helping me and putting up with my very basic questions especially @Tyyppi_77 :)

FreezePhoenix

Now you want lists of pokemon

PintOfMilk

is this class?

FreezePhoenix

~confused

user92578

16:21

I think he is looking for a data-based approach

PintOfMilk

yeah

because that it is all I understand

user92578

So instead of PokemonStat stats[]; he wants int pokemonHP[]; int pokemonAttack[]; etc.

PintOfMilk

yeah

FreezePhoenix

why...

Jimmy

that's basically the opposite of how programming languages work

FreezePhoenix

16:22

@Jimmy thats why arrays exist...

Jimmy

I mean, column-major data access

user92578

@Jimmy not really, this is just no an object oriented approach

user92578

not*

Jimmy

well, yes. Part of why ECS gives people headaches is because their languages don't express this concept well

PintOfMilk

what's ECS?

user92578

16:24

Data oriented design is the buzzword I believe

user92578

@PintOfMilk entity-component-system

Almo

one company traded on it Data Design Inc or something

if you bought two of their games

you could swap engine.exe and they would still work

guy was a prick though

stiffed one of my friends his salary when things got bad

and they were even friends prior

i interviewed there, glad I didn't get it

FreezePhoenix

That would be a silly game if they were so alike that they worked...

Jimmy

his salary wasn't part of their design

FreezePhoenix

wait do you mean engine.exe wash modular

Jimmy

16:26

I'm guessing their game data tables were the same layout

Almo

hahaha

FreezePhoenix

and the game was actually located elsewhere

Almo

engine.exe was JUST the engine

Jimmy

so all their NPC and map definitions had the same format etc

Almo

they made zero modifications to their engine for each game

FreezePhoenix

16:26

@Jimmy Well, thats actually good

Almo

everything was just data for the engine

FreezePhoenix

WOW

claps

Almo

pretty smart, actually

user92578

I bet there was a lot of scripting involved

Almo

though their games did tend to be derivative, I don't think that's the fault of the data driven approach

FreezePhoenix

16:27

@Tyyppi_77 Lots of ternaries

Almo

Data Design Interactive

Data Design Interactive Ltd (DDI) was a British video game developer and publisher. The company was founded in 1983 as Data Design Systems in Halesowen, England, was acquired by Stewart Green's Green Solutions in May 1990, and incorporated as limited company on 2 August 1999. In August 2007, they acquired Metro3D, Inc.'s European office, Metro3D Europe Ltd., and reformed it into Popcorn Arcade, their Wii development subsidiary. A United States office, Data Design Interactive LLC, was opened in Sarasota, Florida and announced on 23 May 2008, which later moved to Osprey, Florida. Due to insolvency...

user92578

nonono, just a bunch of code that's not compiled into the engine

PintOfMilk

@Jimmy so I have attacks using $('.l').next().text() but how do I get the defense and then the next stat etc

FreezePhoenix

LOL ok

.next().next().next() etc

Almo

supposedly their game Conquest Earth was pretty good

PintOfMilk

16:30

@FreezePhoenix thanks

Jimmy

I'm pretty impressed the same engine runs RTS, Party game, racing game, etc.

If the two games that ran on the same engine were "Kawasaki Snowmobiles" and "Kawasaki Jetski", then I'm much less impressed

FreezePhoenix

lol

@Jimmy card names now glow when activated, as you asked

Jimmy

nice, that makes it a lot friendlier

FreezePhoenix

The update should propogate to the github site in a minute or two

Wow... it's still making the update.

The Masked Rebel

@FreezePhoenix your computer must be slow

FreezePhoenix

16:44

Hell no. It's github

Update finished :P enjoy

The Masked Rebel

@FreezePhoenix Well that must be down - or very slow

FreezePhoenix

freezephoenix.github.io/Angels-And-Demons/game.html

"D" is to "Discard"

Jimmy

usually web updates are slow because you have to wait for some caching layer in between to refresh

FreezePhoenix

"S" is to "Summon"

"A" is to "Attack"

Jimmy

is there some way we can disable the alert box?

FreezePhoenix

16:46

@Jimmy as soon as javascript can save files locally without prompting you.

So I can make settings that persist

user92578

That's no where near enough highlight

user92578

Step in the right direction though

Jimmy

@FreezePhoenix save it to localStorage

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 I agree with you :D

FreezePhoenix

The higlights occur when you attack...

That highlight on the thorn knight is not enough?

@TheMaskedRebel @Tyyppi_77

The Masked Rebel

16:51

in Mathematics, 2 mins ago, by The Masked Rebel

is it true that if you apply the dot product on the vector on itself it will get the magnitude of the vector

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel it will be the square of the magnitude

user92578

@FreezePhoenix Oh I see, it hadn't refreshed for me

user92578

That's a bit better but still not enough

nwp

@Tyyppi_77 Would you be interested in joining a private loungy discord server? I believe you would fit in well and probably enjoy it.

FreezePhoenix

Well, I can only double the brilliance of the highlight

Or triple it

user92578

16:53

@nwp Sure, sounds good, I'm Tyyppi_77#2378

user92578

This is what I've been thinking

Jimmy

@TheMaskedRebel v . v == v.length ** 2

FreezePhoenix

@Tyyppi_77 wtf how did you do that

Jimmy

have you tried working out on paper how to calculate a dot product and length of a vector?

user92578

16:54

@FreezePhoenix GIMP

FreezePhoenix

Ok... well that does not fit the UI at all.

But, I'll look into it

Maybe a tad lighter...

user92578

Yeah that was just to give the general idea

nwp

@Tyyppi_77 discord.gg/sU7sduj Got to wait a bit until an owner moves you out of the lobby.

The Masked Rebel

@Jimmy Yeah, algebra isn't my best topic.

or vector math

user92578

@nwp "This is a closed server for Lounge regulars. If we don't know you, from Snack Overflow or otherwise, you're probably in the wrong place."?

Jimmy

16:56

the solution is probably to get better at it instead of asking people a flood of very basic questions

nwp

@Tyyppi_77 That's the right place. Say hello or something.

user92578

It says I need to "Post a message on Snack Overflow saying you want to get in, with your Discord username."

user92578

then "Ping @Owners on #public-invites linking to the message on Snack Overflow."

nwp

The invite should get you into #public-invites.

user92578

yup

FreezePhoenix

16:57

@Tyyppi_77 you know it renders every card speretly

user92578

but like I'm not a lounge regular? and where do I need to message? I'm confused

nwp

In the room where the invite dropped you into.

user92578

well it dropped me into the landing page which has those instructions

The Masked Rebel

I have a weird bug on my game that means that the game gets a black scratch? on the object(s)

user92578

So link them chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45136422#45136422?

nwp

17:00

If my assessment is correct you are a lounge regular, you just happened to end up in a different chat room.

@Tyyppi_77 Unless someone screwed up you should still be able to type "hello" there.

user92578

I'm very confused by that statement? I don't think I've ever been in the Lounge

nwp

It's a cultural thing... never mind. Someone should fish you out of that room eventually.

user92578

Ah okay, I said hello

user92578

so now I just wait until someone moves me onto the real stuff?

nwp

Yes. Owners seem to be absent at the moment.

user92578

17:05

all right

Alexandre Vaillancourt

17:29

@Almo No issue here.

nwp

@Tyyppi_77 Owner woke up. Join again.

@Tyyppi_77 That one should work better.

user92578

17:53

@nwp aight i rejoined

Almo

18:23

thanks alex

FreezePhoenix

@Jimmy I think I have it...

@Almo I don't think we've introduced

Almo

HAI

what up dude

:)

FreezePhoenix

Not much

Almo

not a lot here either

waiting for client to get their team ready for a project we just signed with them

FreezePhoenix

@Almo Yeh... that was one bunch though earlier

I'm also go by Pheo

Almo

18:34

Pheo or Phoe?

FreezePhoenix

Pheo

Almo

ok just checking

as you're freezephoe not freezepheo. :)

FreezePhoenix

~~why?~~ Oh

FreezePhoenix

18:53

@doppelgreener hey

@RedRiderX hey

@Tyyppi_77 hey

Jimmy

that seems a bit unnecessary

user92578

^

FreezePhoenix

what... they came in at different times

Not like I could ping them all in one message

user92578

we dont have an habbit of pinging people who join

user92578

it goes more the other way around, the people who join can say hello if they feel like it

FreezePhoenix

19:07

Ok.

Almo

imagine if everyone did that. you show up, and get inundated with ping noises

FreezePhoenix

I mute my computer :| but I get your point

Almo

19:49

588

Q: Why does array[idx++]+="a" increase idx once in Java 8 but twice in Java 9 and 10?

For a challenge, a fellow code golfer wrote the following code: import java.util.*; public class Main { public static void main(String[] args) { int size = 3; String[] array = new String[size]; Arrays.fill(array, ""); for(int i = 0; i <= 100; ) { array[i++%size] += i + " ...

Java... lol.

FreezePhoenix

well...

Because the java devs dun messed up.

Jimmy

any language can have bugs

56

Q: someString.IndexOf(someString) returns 1 instead of 0 under .NET 4

We have recently upgraded all our projects from .NET 3.5 to .NET 4. I have come across a rather strange issue with respect to string.IndexOf(). My code obviously does something slightly different, but in the process of investigating the issue, I found that calling IndexOf() on a string with itse...

c# string .net-4.0 .net-3.5

FreezePhoenix

few have bugs in themselves

(DISCLAIMER: That I know of)

Jimmy

all software has bugs

if you don't think your compiler has bugs, if it's opensource you can just look at what the developers are working on

for example, gcc fixed 7 bugs today, according to their bugtracker: gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/…

Almo

not all software has bugs. But I think a good case could be made for most software has bugs, particularly above a certain complexity.

Broad generalizations are always wrong.

;)

FreezePhoenix

20:03

^^

:)

Jimmy

You'll have to pry my hyperbole out of my dead cold hands

3

FreezePhoenix

^^

Jimmy

If there's any project that doesn't have bugs, it's probably not doing something particularly interesting

nwp

@Jimmy I don't like that people use that as an excuse for writing buggy software.

Almo

@Jimmy I could believe that.

Jimmy

20:05

@nwp I'm a security guy, that's just our basic operating assumption

FreezePhoenix

@Jimmy You just insulted 0% of the population! How dare you!

Almo

yeah, it's certainly wise to assume bugs rather than not.

FreezePhoenix

I like to think contrary to you all.

I know there will be bugs in my software.

Jimmy

@nwp it's not an excuse, it just means we need better tools, analysis, and operational mitigations

Almo

No need to ping me if it's clear you're responding to me

nwp

20:06

@Jimmy I'm a developer and for me all systems are secure by default, unless you screwed up. You better not screw up.

FreezePhoenix

But I don't care at all until this bug presents its face.

Jimmy

that's the problem, everyone screws up

FreezePhoenix

@Jimmy everyone screws up except for the people who screw up perfectly... o wait.

nwp

That's an excuse for screwing up again. Makes it sound like you may as well not even try, it's gonna be screwed up buggy garbage no matter what you do.

Jimmy

That's not an excuse, my job was to help people from screwing up.

"don't screw up next time" isn't really advice that helps anyone

nwp

20:10

It's slightly better than "everyone screws up".

People should feel bad for doing things wrong, not think that that is the way it's supposed to be.

Jimmy

well, I agree fully that doing things wrong is bad

in the compilers' case, it's probably an issue of not having enough test coverage. But that's like, the first and simplest fix you add for any given bug. You ask "why did this bug ship" and sometimes the answer is "no one tested for it"

Almo

:D

FreezePhoenix

No one tested for it

lol

FreezePhoenix

21:08

still laughing

Jimmy

wasn't intended to be funny really. Write tests, people!

FreezePhoenix

Wut if I don't wanna

Jimmy

on the first offense you get a stern verbal warning

second offence of writing untested code -- decapitation

FreezePhoenix

Ok I'll do it - just don't kill me

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix o/

FreezePhoenix

21:15

Ok... Time to make it so you can actually win my game...

FreezePhoenix

22:21

Almost done with that...

@Jimmy ok... now it also has an outline around it

... and you can now win.

doppelgreener

22:52

@FreezePhoenix i don't know how to do anything in the game right now

i can't click on anything to do anything except the end turn button

FreezePhoenix

8

Q: Card based computer game

This is a 2 player (Will soon have AI in it - I am not asking for help with AI) game with mechanics similar to the card game named Magic the Gathering. Bear with me, this is a lot of code. If you feel like you need to review one file at a time, do so. The code is hosted here if you wish to see ...

javascript game ecmascript-6 vue.js

very top now

"S" is to summon, "A" is to attack, replaced clicking on the name

"D" is to discard

You should wait a minute however I'm pushing to github

doppelgreener

oh, so i click those letters

FreezePhoenix

Ok, you can reload now

so when is the next scheduled mutiny?

FreezePhoenix

23:16

@doppelgreener any feedback? Complaints? Bugs?

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix i fiddled with it very briefly, but my feedback right now would be that the current summoning model isn't pleasant

FreezePhoenix

the alert?

doppelgreener

yes

but also, tiny buttons are a UX antipattern

FreezePhoenix

tiny buttons!

doppelgreener

the time it takes before you click a button is proportionate to how far the mouse was from that button plus how small the button is. The first part means I have to swing my mouse over there, the second part means I have to spend time aligning my cursor just the right way over the button.

FreezePhoenix

23:19

Oh... you're on mobile arn't you.

doppelgreener

No, I'm on a desktop.

(which increases the mouse travel space -- the first part)

So my main button being a tiny little S that I maneuver to for every card each turn is a problem, then hitting the alert

(Or I alternate between mouse to click and space bar to confirm the alert)

FreezePhoenix

So... I guess I could take this part to UX.SE

doppelgreener

It is no coincidence that card games use a different model:
- The whole card is the thing you click; it is one enormous button.
- Summoning is confirmed by a drag motion. I drag the card out from my hand. This is similar to slide/pull-to-unlock used on Android or iOS phones, it is a low-effort highly affirmative action.

FreezePhoenix

How tiny is it (screenshot)

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix Well it is as tiny as an S

FreezePhoenix

23:22

@doppelgreener that would be interesting and difficult to do but I don't care how dificult it is!

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix jQuery UI will help you do that, if you're happy to use that, but otherwise the interaction model for drag-and-move is pretty simple

i can explain it better another day

FreezePhoenix

so... then how would you discard

@doppelgreener why delete screenshot

doppelgreener

wrong screenshot

FreezePhoenix

Ok... Is it because you were in the mod room?

doppelgreener

here, this one has the S highlighted

so, the S there is the hitbox i can see

FreezePhoenix

23:25

mhm

doppelgreener

that's basically the zone i can click on.

FreezePhoenix

hm...

doppelgreener

before, my clicking zone was the whole card name, which was awesome.

FreezePhoenix

Yeh, but there was no way to discard

OH.................................................

Make the S button be the entire width and fill the space

doppelgreener

Or I click on the card name to summon, optionally

That worked fine before & can work fine still

FreezePhoenix

23:29

ok...

Should update in a bit

If it doesn't, go here to refresh the cache:

freezephoenix.github.io/Angels-And-Demons/src/components.js

Once there, reload.

And then go back to the game

(And reload that of course)

Should look like that

doppelgreener

So I reached some bugs:
- as angels, I can't attack with my stuff on my turn sometimes and I don't know why.
- as demons, when the window was getting pretty tall, I couldn't summon things at some point and I'm not sure why. I have a Ravines and a Hell Hound stuck in my hand.

FreezePhoenix

`@doppelgreener if you summon something, you can't use it the same turn

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix this was in later turns, I had a priest out I couldn't click to attack with

FreezePhoenix

The second one... is a bug

@doppelgreener Screenshot? Probably out of mana

Blue bars at top left and right

You have a deck limit of 10 cards.

There is a related bug. The bug is the following:

- When you attempt to summon it, its state changes, but isn't added to the deck.

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix does attacking cost mana?

FreezePhoenix

23:40

Some, yes.

doppelgreener

oh, that might be why then

FreezePhoenix

The second one contains a bug, but in of itself is not a bug.

doppelgreener

my angels deck had very little mana generation going on and i was hitting lots of 10-mana Lamps (no idea what those do) instead of getting lands

FreezePhoenix

@doppelgreener Ahh... Lamps are Cripplers

they decrease the enemies health and attack, and increase their manacost

Dark Agents are also Cripplers

Cripplers have 0 attack

2 days ago, by FreezePhoenix

Tear it apart

4 stars on it...

doppelgreener

I am not sure how I win still, and given how much health all the characters have, combat takes a long time (multiple turns wearing away at specific enemies) for no reason I can see

FreezePhoenix

23:48

You kill the enemy cards to win

doppelgreener

compare MTG where combat usually kills either two creatures at similar power or 1 creature that is the weaker (and lower mana cost) one

FreezePhoenix

Also, its supposed to take a while

doppelgreener

or hearthstone where as an attacker I choose combat and can pile on my minions (which are 90% of my draws) to kill opponent cards

Ok

FreezePhoenix

But you can make it shorter by playing one stupid and play the other one smart

i.e. just skip turns on one and go hard on the other

doppelgreener

right, but it feels like a slog

FreezePhoenix

23:51

Hm... lower manacost and raise attack...

doppelgreener

so it is supposed to take a while, ok good that's deliberate, but it does not feel fun right now, but then again it's still in experimental stages, but then again that is when i should say it doesn't feel fun

FreezePhoenix

Or lower health...

@doppelgreener LOL yes but it does take a little too long.

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