Game Development

nwp

00:02

There seems to be a lot missing.

genaray

I could need a sql expert right now ...

each of my chunks got a unique x and y... just as a position... im trying to select all the resources and their x and y pos of the chunk they belong to...

SELECT resources.*, x, y FROM resources, chunks where chunk_ID in (SELECT ID FROM chunks where x between 1 and 20000 and y between 1 and 20000) group by resources.ID

but i get the same x and y for all of the resources... even if the chunk doesnt have those positions

The Mattbat999

02:52

@nwp like what?

Well, I will try to upload it properly. Hold on...

pastebin.com/fyyrJ3QU

Ok, that one is good!

Kevin van der Velden

10:39

@genaray you're also getting way too many results, you're getting resources * chunks results, you need to add an inner join

genaray

@KevinvanderVelden thanks for your help ! Any idea how ? Just tried it quick and it tells me that "Not unique table/alias"... weierd..

SELECT resources.*, chunks.x, chunks.y
FROM resources
Inner JOIN resources ON resources.chunk_ID = chunks.ID

Kevin van der Velden

FROM resources Inner JOIN resources

genaray

ahhh i see... thanks ! :D

The Masked Rebel

Does anyone know anything about collision detection

user92578

yes

The Masked Rebel

10:51

I just was thinking should I use ellipsis or \SAT with convex decomposition

@Tyyppi_77 Do we have any bots here

user92578

yes

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 What are they called

user92578

GDSE Meta and Free Internet Points

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 What commands do they take

user92578

they don't have any commands

Kevin van der Velden

10:52

They're just feedbots

@TheMaskedRebel that depends on your requirements

The Masked Rebel

11:12

@KevinvanderVelden What do they do

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There is no way to automatically infer the winding order of a 3D mesh that will work for every possible input. For instance, if I give you the triangle (0, 0, 0), (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0) alone with no other context, you don't know whether it's meant to be wound counter-clockwise (so its front faces...

Kevin van der Velden

@TheMaskedRebel they post from rss feeds

user92578

@TheMaskedRebel They post new meta posts and questions with bounties

The Masked Rebel

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does gamedev have a sandbox

user92578

i dont think so, there's a global sandbox though

The Masked Rebel

@Tyyppi_77 where

user92578

11:25

look it up

user92578

12:18

user92578

Minimap and experimenting with a glitched-look visuals

The Mattbat999

12:48

Looking good, @Tyyppi_77

user92578

13:23

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user92578

Dashing that uses the glitch look

Hakase

14:24

@genaray sql in a game? what are you doing with it

if it's something realtime and many times per second, maybe rethink that design choice

if it's actually a fitting choice I'd like to learn why

genaray

15:12

@Hakase I just store important data in the certain SQL tables for recovering them after a restart :) For example if the player builded a house... it will be pushed into the SQL table. And once the server restarted it basically loads the certain data sets ;)

nwp

Usually people use a savefile for that.

genaray

Its an mmo... the save files would be huge

nwp

Smaller than an SQL database.

genaray

But harder to manage... also in some cases slower.

nwp

Wait, why would they be huge? You save a bunch of stats and inventory items. Should be a couple 100 bytes per character. That's basically nothing.

genaray

15:17

Thats right... but i dont only store some stats and inventory... its a bit more complicated. I store buildings, chunks, resources, mobs, dropped items and much more.

nwp

Why?

I mean other games do that too to an extend, but using SQL seems like one of the worst ways of doing it.

genaray

Because they are persistent and i heard many games actuall do that... atleast the buildings and dropped items. The resources and mobs will refresh every 6 hours when the player revisits the area... I also check the tables every few minutes... if the player didnt visited a certain chunk in a certain time the resources/mobs in it will get deleted..

ndugger

I created a lightweight wrapper around WebGL; I'm trying to get some feedback on it github.com/cyclonic-games/picasso/blob/master/readme.md

nwp

@genaray "the player"? Singular?

genaray

Oh sorry... players of course.. many ones :P

nwp

15:25

For an mmo I would expect that most areas are constantly visited. Dropped items typically disappear within minutes or when you change a level to avoid needing a huge data base.

I feel like you should try to avoid needing that data base instead of defending it.

ndugger

I think the only thing that belongs in a database for an MMO would be a user's login credentials; their actual data should be serialized and saved on a filesystem, along with your other assets.

But I'm fairly new to game development, so I have no right answers, only guesses

Gustavo Maciel

I'm not a fan of saving all the stuff on SQL tables, but I guess you can save more than only credentials. Take a look at eAthena (Ragnarok Online Server) github.com/eathena/eathena/tree/master/sql-files

genaray

Honestly i try to defend it a bit... because i cant imagine its that bad xD otherwise my chunks are not constantly visited by players. Its hard to describe... but the world is nearly as big as the actuall earth.

Gustavo Maciel

It indeed save a lot more than just credentials. But IIRC, most of data is not important at realtime, but only for logging (money trades, auction trades, etc), keeping start values (which position/map was the player before he left, so we can place him there again when he logs in) and perpetual info (which hat is he wearing, etc)

nwp

@genaray That's a bug, not a feature.

(that last part)

Gustavo Maciel

15:35

@genaray The case here is, if you have data as big as the earth, depending on scale, you probably need a smarter storage than SQL can provide you.

Plain MySQL will give you single-thread locking access, and that won't scale to more than a few hundred (maybe thousand) players

genaray

And im too lazy to rewrite most parts of my server... Everytime i read stuff about mmo's ( before i actually started the development ) i read about mysql... sql... INNODB... NO-SQL and all that stuff... so i just started using mysql. But i kinda like it because its that easy to put all that data into tables.

ndugger

Who even uses mysql willingly anymore?

Gustavo Maciel

suppose N players are editing a chunk X, and other K players are needing that resource. It WILL lock.

ndugger

PostgreSQL or bust

genaray

@GustavoMaciel And what else could i use ?

ndugger

15:38

Cassandra would be my choice if I was going to have a shit ton of throughput, but cassandra is nothing but headache to work with

Gustavo Maciel

I dunno, but as I said, eAthena does use MySQL for such things, but it doesnt do more than log-in/log-out and log stuff

@ndugger we share some thoughts bud

@genaray If I were you, I'd keep all my games resources and chunks right in memory. Just offloading to SQL for backup or something like that

ndugger

In general, though, serializing your objects to binary and saving them to a filesystem is more efficient

And in games, every (nano|milli)second counts

genaray

Well... i never thought MYSQL would be such a bad choice... i also heard that eve online uses MYSQL and many more mmo's... Yep i already heard about just keeping it in memory... but i have no idea how i should do the typical querys than... for example looking what resource belongs to what chunk... Mysql does process this in literelly no time...

Gustavo Maciel

@ndugger I agree, but that may be harder if your server is living on the cloud and is scalable. You would have to share storage between machines and that most often than not is not worth it

@genaray I bet they do use, but not so often and on the core of their games

@genaray quadtrees, B-Trees, etc

nwp

@ndugger Do you actually believe that?

ndugger

15:43

Not to the point of premature micro-optimizations, but if you can get easy wins here and there, yeah

nwp

I mean especially in games you don't care about every nano or millisecond. You get your 30 or 60 fps and that's good enough. Everything else is wasted effort.

ndugger

Very valid point

Jimmy

if your game loop is waiting on mysql, something has gone terribly wrong. But if your "save entities" feature is asynchronous, it taking a bit long isn't the end of the world

genaray

Well thats exactly what happens in my game... First i generate those resources, send them to the player... and than i push it into the db ( asynchron )

Gustavo Maciel

@genaray Then that's already saving it in memory

Jimmy

15:48

that doesn't seem terrible. If it gets too slow, you can always figure out how to do it faster and it doesn't affect the rest of the game

ndugger

I think the takeaway is that yes, you can continue to develop your game to save to MySQL, but there are suggestions to do it other ways that might help improve performance. Either way, it's your game, you get to do what you want.

genaray

@GustavoMaciel What do you mean ?

nwp

@genaray See if you can somehow skip writing to the db and reading from it again. That should be an easy win in performance.

genaray

@ndugger You are totally right... but its often a bit tricky. Some people say MYSQL isnt the best way to go... other ones say its a good way to go... For the first i stick with it... until i reach a point where i need to change xD

ndugger

MySQL shouldn't even be a choice in 2018; you have access to a plethora of far superior SQL databases

Almo

15:52

prove there are superior databases

ndugger

prove there aren't

Almo

different ones have different strengths and weaknesses

you are the one making the claim

burden of proof is on you

ndugger

you're the one making the claim that I'm making a claim

Almo

and that's intellectually dishonest

genaray

Calm down :D

Almo

15:53

I'm very calm

I'm used to these sorts of arguments

People who say the world is flat for the moon landings were faked always shift burden of proof

genaray

Wait the moon landing wasnt fake ? :p

Almo

:D

ndugger

It's not an argument; it was a suggestion based on years of experience. There are many articles out there detailing the performance differences between MySQL and PostgreSQL for example.

Jimmy

eh, it's kind of a wash

we found that for some workloads MySQL perf was actually better

Postgres has better SQL standard support

MySQL had, for a long time, better pooling and HA features, but I haven't used a recent version of Postgres that you didn't have to put behind a bunch of pgpool or pgproxies with so I probably don't have a complete comparison

Gustavo Maciel

@genaray If you are already working with your DB asynchronously, then you are already keeping your data in RAM. Where is all these data before it goes through the wires, anyway? :P

nwp

15:56

@GustavoMaciel What does asynchronously accessing the database have to do with keeping it in memory?

genaray

@GustavoMaciel Its my first mmo :D I bet i did many mistakes >.<

Gustavo Maciel

Let's suppose he's just enqueuing data, then sending stuff in another thread through mysql

Jimmy

(different conversation thread from Jimmy begins here)

Gustavo Maciel

how's not that queue in memory?

Jimmy

2 days ago, by FreezePhoenix

Hey, I use Three.js WebGl and I was wondering, whats the best way to put a button on the screen? Should I draw it on the canvas or should I put an html element or both or what?

@FreezePhoenix I just ran across medium.com/@WolframHempel_82303/… - you may be interested in that article

(/end different conversation thread by Jimmy)

Gustavo Maciel

15:58

I mean, that's order of magnitude better than waiting for MySQL on the game loop

nwp

@GustavoMaciel The queue is, but the database might not. And the queue is just overhead, not the database.

Jimmy

I told him this yesterday

21 hours ago, by Jimmy

your application server should probably also have some kind of in-memory cache of the chunk data so you don't have to roundtrip to the database just to send it to the client?

Gustavo Maciel

@Jimmy this is what I'm talking about

ndugger

Redis used to be fast for stuff like that; not sure what the best caching solution is now, unless you just want to hold it in memory yourself

Gustavo Maciel

@ndugger If you already have the data on your program, just going through the hassle of serializing and deserializing it may not be worth the cost, unless you need to access that data from more than one point

Or you need to offload RAM to another machine

ndugger

16:03

Right; I'm assuming multiple, load-balanced servers

Jimmy

I'd summarize my recommendations, in order of priority as 1) send data from the app server's memory representation instead of from mysql 2) improve the encoding to a non-relational binary blob storage 3) batch database commands so you're not waiting on 20 inserts before updating the database

genaray

I never noticed the table lock... is there some way to disable that in mysql =

?

Jimmy

where actually #2 is probably the biggest impact

nwp

@genaray What happens when 2 players access the same data chunk?

Jimmy

You're getting into "Here By Dragons" territory

you can set the DB to read a versioned row instead of locking to get the most current row

genaray

16:06

@nwp Well... at the same time ? ... last time two players jumped right into the same chunk nothing happened... but maybe the querys were fast enough... so they didnt locked

nwp

I think what bothers me is that the database thing is not really relevant to the game. Making a fun game is difficult. Which database you store data in you can decide later.

ndugger

I suppose that's true

But we're developers, dammit. We'll argue until our faces are blue

nwp

@genaray That sounds like you have a very different understanding of "locked" than I do.

Jimmy

it's not the selects that are locking

it's your inserts

and they might be locking for any number of reasons, including your indexes are forcing table scans to insert

genaray

@nwp Ahhh... than i missunderstood that.

Jimmy

16:10

You can set your transaction level in your selects to "read uncommitted" to ignore the locks

but then you might just get garbage data read back

since the point of the lock is that the insert transaction isn't finished doing its thing

it's up to you whether "players see arbitrary partial chunks of objects" is better than "the select has to wait for the inserts to complete"

and your inserts are going to keep on having high contention until you stop inserting one gigantic row per block

genaray

Hmmm.... well ... thanks :) I need to check that promptly... at some points i actually insert a huge amount of data...

The Mattbat999

pastebin.com/fyyrJ3QU

Last chance for a free RPG dungeon crawler C source code (so, ya know, you can try it)

Jimmy

nice

put it on github

nwp

@Jimmy But microsoft!!11one :shocked:

Jimmy

put it on €ithub

user92578

16:19

I get it's C but C can be clean too, right?

nwp

Clean no. Cleaner than that yes.

Jimmy

I think C can be pretty clean

nwp

@TheMattbat999 If you care about code improvements you could try codereview.stackexchange.com

doppelgreener

uh oh. microsoft's acquiring github? :(

Jimmy

guys this is like his first C++ program ever don't panic

apparently so

The Mattbat999

16:22

@nwp oh, no I was intending people to actually play the game (I mean, they will have to compile the code...)

doppelgreener

hooopefully they leave it alone to do its good things.

last thing i remember them acquiring was skype and they turned that from one of the best programs around to one that's garbage but grudgingly used because nothing else does video calls as well as it does.

nwp

Messengers work fine for video calls.

doppelgreener

which?

The Mattbat999

@Jimmy uhhh I just got GitHub, but how fo I actually post something?

doppelgreener

@TheMattbat999 create a repository, then add your code to it

Jimmy

16:24

@TheMattbat999 there's a bit of a learning curve unfortunately. You'll have to "init a repo", "commit your code" and then "push it to github"

I don't use the Gibhub UI so I can't really tell you how to do that

nwp

@doppelgreener At least kakaotalk which admittedly isn't very common outside korea, but whatsapp probably supports it too.

doppelgreener

oh yeah, whatsapp does.

nwp

I would expect that half the results for "whatsapp alternatives" do too.

doppelgreener

ok, so, no longer true today :)

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener where is the button for that?

doppelgreener

16:27

on my profile page i see this

or on the homepage left hand side

The Mattbat999

Ok.

nwp

Take some time to learn github even though it is super annoying and not at all what you care about. Having your editor commit and push to github at the press of a button is worth some pain.

Gustavo Maciel

Anyone know a good logging library for modern C++?

(please do not say Boost::*)

nwp

std::cout

Use std::clog to be cool.

Gustavo Maciel

I'm actually using cout and cerr for now, but the verbosity is killing me

nwp

16:30

Can you make an example of what you have now and what you would like to have instead?

Gustavo Maciel

Also I'd like to filter and add a file sink. Could be doing that on my own (would probably take less time than searching the internet for a good lib)

Jimmy

write to syslog :)

Hakase

@genaray have you tried and compared not using a database vs using a database, I mean

Gustavo Maciel

std::cout << "File loaded " << ((const char*)resourceidentifier) << "; vertex count: " << model->vertices->length << std::endl;

debug("File loaded {s}; Vertex count: {}\n", resourceidentifier, model->vertices->length);

nwp

That C cast is a bug and not std::cout's fault.

Hakase

16:32

if you just know from somewhere that a database approach for storing map chunks is superior to a custom compact binary format then I'd like to know the details of the game and comparison

Gustavo Maciel

@nwp It's not a bug, my resource loader has a identifier template that calcs hashes at compile time, and to get back the string used, there's this thing: constexpr operator const char *() const noexcept { return str; }

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener ok, so where do I put code?

Jimmy

why not operator << (std::ostream&) then?

nwp

^

doppelgreener

@TheMattbat999 Are you familiar with Git version control?

Gustavo Maciel

16:35

@Jimmy I could actually do that, hmm

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener no, not at all.

doppelgreener

If not I'll give you a dead-simple method

Ok

nwp

(obligatory)

ndugger

I can't even remember life before git

It changed my life

doppelgreener

At the top of your repository's Code tab you'll see these buttons. Pick one of those.

If you create a new file, make sure to give the file name the .c extension as well

ndugger

16:36

@doppelgreener I think those buttons only show up if there is already a file in the repo. I don't recall, though

Jimmy

life before git was a lot of SVN and before that CVS and before that "i hope my hard drive doesn't fail"

doppelgreener

Oh, let me check then

Jimmy

wait don't use those buttons they're terrible

Gustavo Maciel

@ndugger if the repo is empty there will indeed be a "getting started" screen

doppelgreener

@ndugger You are right

Jimmy

16:37

that makes you create files in github's UI

doppelgreener

@Jimmy Right now it's just a copy+paste so that's enough

Jimmy

oh, that's true

doppelgreener

Shoot, you can't just upload code that way. You need to set up a git repository, such as by using Github's desktop client to do so.

In which case you can just pot it as a gist: gist.github.com

Which is basically like pastebin except you still own the file and can modify it in place.

ndugger

using their desktop app is extremely simple

doppelgreener

Yeah it is

ndugger

16:39

I'm 100% cli at work, but I like the desktop app when at home and working on my own projects

doppelgreener

Not as simple as making a gist though :)

Jimmy

@doppelgreener if you create your repo with "init with a README" checked, that bypasses your UI issue

doppelgreener

@Jimmy aha, awesome

nwp

@GustavoMaciel Maybe fmtlib. I have not used it.

doppelgreener

double pointy arrow and red freehand circle

Gustavo Maciel

16:41

@nwp thanks

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener ok, I put the code in there and made it a public Gist. Now what?

doppelgreener

You can link that gist to people and modify it without expiration.

The Mattbat999

gist.github.com/TheMattBat999/dacad6ecca2900b8c06d041cc3b2fe53

Ok, there it is.

doppelgreener

sweet

nwp

Who recommended a gist? That's barely better than pastebin.

ndugger

16:43

It's definitely better than a pastebin, but I would still use a git repo

The Mattbat999

I do ask if anyone would try it and tell me what you think!

doppelgreener

@nwp Me, I mentioned it as an option. It is better than a pastebin. It does not require learning how to set up a git repository, which is still a good option anyway, but that's up to how much @TheMattbat999 wants to do. (They were doing this at our suggestion anyway, I don't know if "now download and install these things and learn git" is reasonable to push someone to at that point.)

nwp

Github becomes fun when you have proper IDE integration and have the code automatically built by a CI service and get notified when something goes wrong.

ndugger

I don't like when my IDE/editor tries to do my git for me; like bish, just let me add and commit my files on my own, thanks

But I love CircleCI in conjunction with git; it's fantastic

fully automated builds and deployments

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener it was a lot easier to just to paste that than spend hours to figure out how to use Github on this dinky little phone!

doppelgreener

16:46

@nwp Github's so good. I'm even happy using it from the command line.

The Mattbat999

Thanks tho

doppelgreener

@TheMattbat999 Oh, goodness. If you're on a phone then that was probably your only option. @_@

That or the init with a readme

Incidentally, some newbie guides for Git (I figure different ones will work for different people):
- http://rogerdudler.github.io/git-guide/
- https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Getting-Started-Git-Basics
- https://product.hubspot.com/blog/git-and-github-tutorial-for-beginners

nwp

@doppelgreener By "github" you mean "git" here right?

doppelgreener

Which brings up an interesting question for me: what would y'all recommend as a good way for someone to learn Git independently?

@nwp Both?

Both are good. :D

Jimmy

someone recommended me atlassian.com/git/tutorials/setting-up-a-repository/git-init

doppelgreener

16:48

But yeah I got my wires crossed. I'm happy using git from the command line.

Jimmy

but I personally just stumbled through random resources to learn, so I dont' know of a good comprehensive resource

nwp

I'm not away of anything you can do with github from a command line, assuming "git push" counts as git only.

ndugger

I learned git cli when I was working with a startup company. It was the most painful learning curve I've gone through, but now that I'm on the other side, I can't imagine writing code without it

The Mattbat999

@doppelgreener oh.

doppelgreener

@nwp Yep, you're right, I done a mistake-up on that message.

Jimmy

16:49

there is a github command line utility somewhere

doppelgreener

@Jimmy chances are good there would be...

(but like, surely you just use git at that point)

nwp

I think I never really use github, it just happens to host the project. If it was silently replaced by gitlab or bitbucket I wouldn't notice.

Jimmy

same

doppelgreener

does a command line browser count as a github command line utility?

Jimmy

I've tried using github issues for internal project tracking, but it seems easier to do that in Trello/Asana/JIRA etc

Gustavo Maciel

16:51

Github's code review is actually pretty good, when you compare that feature to gitlab. But if you don't use that, then I guess every other git host will do.

doppelgreener

oh yeah, its diff tool is pretty nice.

sometimes mainly when you add the secret no-whitespace option

Jimmy

@TheMattbat999 success!

doppelgreener

39

A: How to ignore whitespace in github when comparing?

On github, you simply append the w=1 parameter to the URL for it to ignore whitespace. That would look something like: https://github.com/account_name/repo/pull/14/files?w=1

The Mattbat999

@Jimmy yay! Someone else other than me has played one of my games!

nwp

> cls: not found

:D

Jimmy

16:53

puts on attachable neckbeard emacs is the best git frontend removes neckbeard

but really tho

uh yeah, I didn't get very far :P

it doesn't crash at least

just shows an annoying message

The Mattbat999

@nwp system("cls") was to clear the screen at those wonderful "press to continue" things, but I think it is Windows only.

@Jimmy what does it say?

Jimmy

what nwp posted

PRESS ANY CHARACTER TO CONTINUE
sh: 1: cls: not found
Are you starting a new game, or loading an old one?
1. New Game. Previous progress will be lost.

see second line

The Mattbat999

@Jimmy Oh. Like I told nwp, I tjink it is a Windows specific function meant to clear the screen.

nwp

Replacing it with clear might work. Not sure actually.

The Mattbat999

Also, if you are low on HP, sleep after a battle (click 2 and enter over and over until HP is restored)

There are 50 rooms

Also a cheat code that can be easily done to get uber items

nwp

17:00

@doppelgreener :)

ndugger

Anyone have any literature regarding the psychology of pricing models, like if you make your game free, less people will play it because of X, or something like that

3

Jimmy

If only there was a site where you could ask a question like this. But eh, it's a list recommendation

doppelgreener

@nwp [screaming]

nwp

@ndugger I vaguely remember that some guy got a nobel prize for describing how increasing the price can make a product appear more desirable.

ndugger

Right; and I know it works, because I keep buying these damn redbull drinks

FreezePhoenix

17:24

Language.

doppelgreener

Heckin redbull drinks

nwp

If I ever make a site where I can make the rules I will ban offensive people who say things like "Language".

It'll totally go well :D

ndugger

> please no saying damn on my christian chat room

FreezePhoenix

@nwp that'ed be corruption and would not be tolerated :P you'd lose visitors pretty fast

Almo

should be "damned" anyway to be grammtically correct.

ndugger

17:33

Nothing I do is correct; why start now?

Almo

:D

nwp

@FreezePhoenix Would not be tolerated by people I'd want to get rid of, so it works as intended.

FreezePhoenix

@nwp Stop being silly. I mean the people who let you put up the site.

nwp

Who would that be?

FreezePhoenix

The service you would be using.

nwp

17:37

The ISP will shut down my site because I ban people for being offensive? That's silly.

FreezePhoenix

@nwp the problem is they are not being offensive. They are trying to stop people from ~~cussing~~ cursing.

ndugger

"offensive" is relative

FreezePhoenix

@ndugger speaking of relative... what color is the sky?

nwp

@FreezePhoenix First telling people which words they can and cannot use is extremely rude. Secondly no ISP in the world will take down a site for that.

FreezePhoenix

@nwp Cursing in public is extremely rude.

ndugger

17:41

lol, no it isn't

shit

Is this 1950's Utah?

FreezePhoenix

17:53

I don't think so.

Jimmy

hi @FreezePhoenix sorry that you find cursing rude. While keeping in mind most of the other regulars find it acceptable, I'll try to remember and limit my profanity output while you're around

FreezePhoenix

;P thanks for understanding

I don't mind the occasional bit.

ndugger

Clearly you do mind, or you wouldn't have mentioned it

FreezePhoenix

@ndugger I take no offense, but if you could tone done the profanity around me it would be perfect.

ndugger

I'm not going to walk on eggshells around you, no

FreezePhoenix

18:05

@ndugger then I shall do my best to contain myself.

The Mattbat999

18:26

@FreezePhoenix I agree.

FreezePhoenix

thanks :P @TheMattbat999

The Mattbat999

IMO excessive cussing is just a lack of self control

@FreezePhoenix you are welcome!

I can understand if ya let one slip if something bad happens (e.g. zombie eats friend), but just cussing to be cussing is silly.

FreezePhoenix

Oops...

I fell for that one :|

desktop file configured to look like a folder

When you open those they execute right?

I'm still not sure what It's doing to my computer.

The Mattbat999

18:48

Just click it. See what happens.

nwp

Yup. Just run the malware. Don't allow it to gain power over you by altering your behavior. You have a right to click random stuff and no virus in the world can take that from you!

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix if it was an executable file with a folder icon then yes, it's executing or has executed

Jimmy

Is there no easy user-based application sandboxing in windows? i.e. "run this program but without network or file system access outside its current directory"

nwp

VMWare/VirtualBox?

Security on modern systems is abysmal, but people like usability more than security.

doppelgreener

there is not much sandboxing in windows, no

nwp

18:58

Unless the security issues cause usability issues I don't think that will change.

doppelgreener

running in a VM like NWP suggested is about the only way to sandbox

The Mattbat999

I know this is probably a little silly, but just delete it!

doppelgreener

If it's malware it's already done its thing and has embedded itself elsewhere in the system.

ndugger

just run norton antivirus; should make things 1000x worse so you'll just forget about the original malware

ndugger

19:28

Copy/pasting my question from a discrod I'm in...

> With glsl 3, renaming attribute -> in; are they still called attributes, or just generally referred to as an "input" now?

Jimmy

khronos.org/opengl/wiki/Vertex_Shader#Inputs

> User-defined input values to vertex shaders are sometimes called "vertex attributes".

I still call them attributes, old habits and whatnot

ndugger

Interesting

The Mattbat999

19:47

@Jimmy ever try to get any father within Avelaroar?

The C game?

Jimmy

not too far

I grinded through like 10 rooms and found some swords and bows

The Mattbat999

20:44

Good. What class are you?

Jimmy

I tried warrior, seemed simple enough to just hit stuff

The Mattbat999

Remember that STR boost the use of an axe and DEX boost swords, ACR boost bows and POW boost staffs.

FreezePhoenix

Acronyms...

github.com/FreezePhoenix/Angels-And-Demons

download and run game.html for the game. feedback or bugs reports welcome. criticism welcome.

doppelgreener

@FreezePhoenix fyi you could also set up a freezephoenix.github.io domain & set up a page which containst hat game

oh!! i see you already have the domain set up :P

FreezePhoenix

I'll add it there...

Or not :P

freezephoenix.github.io/Angels-And-Demons/game.html

doppelgreener

20:56

@FreezePhoenix I can't tell what I'm able to do other than hit end turn

FreezePhoenix

Oops.

Reload, hit end turn once, and show me a screenshot. It should look like this:

doppelgreener

Oh, I see now I can click demon names to summon them

FreezePhoenix

@doppelgreener or angels if it's the angels turn

doppelgreener

(You should add a cursor:pointer style to things I can click on, to suggest they're clickable)

FreezePhoenix

Ahh...

doppelgreener

20:59

@FreezePhoenix Sometimes when I summon a card, the page doesn't update to put it in the summoned column, but it will update once I do anything else

(like summon a different card -- then both cards show up in the summoned column.)

FreezePhoenix

Yeh that's not a bug on my part (I don't think)

I think thats a Vue.js bug.

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