Game Development

DMGregory

00:02

Reminded me I still haven't gone and tagged those physically based rendering questions... never found a tag wording I was super happy with. The most popular answer had just one vote.

Stephane Hockenhull

Peanut Butter Rendering?

DMGregory

PB & Jraffics

Stephane Hockenhull

I have made it my mission to incept it into every dev out there so that every time they see "PBR" they'll think "Peanut Butter Rendering" first.

Chris McFarland

on rye?

Stephane Hockenhull

Maybe I'll put a shader named PBR in my engine and it'll just make everything look like peanut butter no matter what texture or setting you use.

DMGregory

00:15

I would award you Internet Points and a peanut-based candy of your choice for this. :)

Speaking of... [snags a Reese from the trick-or-treaters bowl and struggles to unwrap it with a monster hand]

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@StephaneHockenhull That's going to be an Easter Peanut Butter Egg?

Stephane Hockenhull

01:13

Actually, there'd be only one setting that actually work: the smooth-chunky slider.

DMGregory

01:30

You're making me want to write this shader.

Sie

01:50

Good lord I need to clean up some old code. It is so bad.

Behold!

using UnityEngine;
using System.Collections;
using UnityEngine.UI;

public class InventoryManager : MonoBehaviour
{

public Rigidbody Cube;
public Rigidbody RectangularPrism;
public Rigidbody TriangularPrism;
public Rigidbody Cone;
public Rigidbody Tourus;
public Rigidbody Token;

public int CubesAmount;
public int RectangularPrismsAmount;
public int TriangularPrismsAmount;
public int ConesAmount;
public int TourusesAmount;

public Text CubesAmountCountText;
public Text RectangularPrismsAmountCountText;

Truth be told I haven't coded anything in like over a year. I think I need to brush up on my C#.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie I think it's common, don't worry :) hehe

Stephane Hockenhull

02:12

Streak over :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

You'll get your chance again :P

Stephane Hockenhull

No. it's over. Life will never be the same again. I have reached my peak. The only way is down now.

colours hair black

All is darkness

Sie

Stephane Hockenhull

Darn. I got only 4 / 13.

Sie

30% tho

Jimmy

02:26

@StephaneHockenhull when I hear PBR I think of the beer

The Mattbat999

@Sie I only got 1, and that's the Pikachu, and I am not sure if I ever had one in the games....

Stephane Hockenhull

Not even steam or a YT account?

Sie

I didn't get that part either.

Stephane Hockenhull

I don't get why Steam is on the list tho. That's like putting donuts on there.

Jimmy

"goth kid" stereotypes, as perceived by jocks I guess

The Mattbat999

02:30

@StephaneHockenhull nope

Jimmy

"What do goths like? Anime I guess.. what's an anime? that pikachu thing right?"

Stephane Hockenhull

LOL

The Mattbat999

@Jimmy Pikachu also could cover the video games, board game, card games, comics, and books

And toys

Stephane Hockenhull

it's really not indicative of goth/emo tho. at most I've seen 1 out of 10 in gaming groups fitting the goth/emo style :P
Seem they were desperate and reaching to add things to their starter pack...

The Mattbat999

Also not sure if the far right girl represents the necklace, hair, glasses, facial expression, or all the above thinking-face

Stephane Hockenhull

02:38

I guess that's the new goth generation :P

The MLP Twilight goth :D

yah, I think if we're gonna stereotype/caricature, MLP would be more common than pikachu.

Maybe it's a regional trend

Mithrandir

08:06

@StephaneHockenhull everyone needs donuts

doppelspooker

09:30

@StephaneHockenhull or why pikachu or pencils are on there.

Chris McFarland

user92578

11:03

Open r/gamedev

user92578

Click on a topic

user92578

Remember that the subreddit is total cancer

user92578

Close the tab

Alexandre Vaillancourt

11:40

Morning!

user92578

good day

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Is peanut butter and banana a thing, outside, like, here..?

user92578

even plain peanut butter isn't a thing here

Chris McFarland

been a long time since I've had peanut butter on banana

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Hehe ok!

@ChrisMcFarland I typically eat banana slices on peanut butter spread on a toast. That's part of my breakfast.

Chris McFarland

11:50

Yum

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I think so, but that could sound awkward at first.

Chris McFarland

12:12

long as it's not human flesh or domestic pets, you could probably put peanut butter on anything

here is a little networking video I took this evening: youtu.be/Lgneosa5hWk

Stephane Hockenhull

12:43

You can put it in domestic pets. It's hilarious.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@ChrisMcFarland Nice!

Stephane Hockenhull

Few things funnier than watching a dog try to get all the PB stuck to the roof of his mouth for 5 minutes then ask for more :D

@ChrisMcFarland oh, cross platform too!

user92578

damn that's fucking awesome Chris

Alexandre Vaillancourt

13:16

I've been able to profile the way I wanted yesterday night, but it doesn't work anymore... VS2017 does not collect the data during sampling.

Almo

13:48

@StephaneHockenhull I found some cat/peanut butter vids

pretty funny

user92578

Aww yeah, unnecessary member & method comments removed

Almo

i thought you had removed a GDSE member and his comments on a method... oh you mean in your code.

user92578

lol yeah

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:00

Meta people don't want Halloween masks :(

Shaun Wild

Typical *Exchange response..

If it's any consolation, I like the idea.

Almo

It makes sense though

if you read the top voted answer

Shaun Wild

Is he saying it's a good idea, but pointless as there isn't enough visitors to make it worthwhile

The responses are mature and fair, I'm just offended by the downvotes.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@nwp Remember I was talking about rearranging the data to perform a costly process over it last week (to reduce the impact of cache misses)? With a lot of iterations, I get an improvement of 12% in time it takes to perform it, but the overhead to convert a data structure to the other takes away a big chunk of it, so overall, I get an improvement of only 2%. Which is interesting, but not really worth to put in the main app as a quick fix.

Almo

:(

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:11

@Almo Yeah, I can see why they do it like that, and that's fine. It's just going to bring less joy to the world :P

Almo

:D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@ShaunWild Yeah, that's the way it goes I guess. Someone had to ask.

nwp

@AlexandreVaillancourt Is the project accessible (like on github)?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@nwp No, it's at work and we don't work on public code, unfortunately.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:11

@JoshPetrie Are technology recommendation questions welcome on GDNet?

Stephane Hockenhull

It's part of the "how to get started" and these things tend to get stales and be religious / opinion-based

People's tendency of having their own choice of software be validated by other people's usage of it.

user4704

@AlexandreVaillancourt Sure, generally.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@StephaneHockenhull Yeah, that's why they're considered off-topic here, But the question is about gamedev.net, where we often redirect users asking off-topic stuff here :)

@JoshPetrie Ok, thanks!

Stephane Hockenhull

oh

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I have a feeling that this question will be popular.

Stephane Hockenhull

16:18

anyway, somewhere in the middle of this gradient is where we get good software suggestions:
I use this software because no one uses it and so I'm special and unique <------------> I use this software because I'm smart because everyone uses it so it certainly is the right choice, right? right?

Thankfully there's usually good suggestions among the noise, it's just a lot to sift through :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@StephaneHockenhull Between the emo and the pop fan :p

DMGregory

@AlexandreVaillancourt I could have sworn we'd answered it before, but haven't found a direct duplicate to flag yet.

user4704

gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/143367/… but not answered

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@JoshPetrie I guess it should be closed as a duplicate?

Stephane Hockenhull

@AlexandreVaillancourt I have a great idea to answer this question but it'll have to wait until I'm home :(

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:32

@StephaneHockenhull Does it involve Zelda?

Stephane Hockenhull

It could involve Zelda but not necessarily.

I just need my camera and my kids box of arts&crafts :P

Oh and a printer

DMGregory

@JoshPetrie I think that question is asking something a bit different, about the architecture of abstracting "which part of the image corresponds to this entity (sprite)" from "what are the pixel contents of the image (texture)" - while the new one looks like a pure terminology clarification, to my reading.

Stephane Hockenhull

I could google for premade/stock images but I'd rather post original content when I can :P

DMGregory

This sounds amazing. :D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@DMGregory Yeah, thinking about it, I don't think they're duplicate either..

Stephane Hockenhull

16:38

I think that new question is confusing terms due to some engine's naming of the concepts

DMGregory

Yeah, I get the sense they think textures are a whole new technology that replaced sprites.

Stephane Hockenhull

Maybe add something about "sprite sheet" and "texture atlas" being synonymous with the only difference being the intended usage of a sprite sheet being to draw sprites but is still a texture atlas.

S. Tarık Çetin

What do you guys think about tags of that question? Are texture and sprite meta-tags in this case?

Stephane Hockenhull

sure

It's about textures, sprites, and terminology.

DMGregory

@StephaneHockenhull That one we've had: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/69895/…

That older question Josh linked falls into a category I'm never sure what to do with: "Yep, your plan sounds sensible... what problem do you need help solving?"

I get the sense sometimes users just want validation or permission to proceed, but I don't know what's a high-quality / useful-to-future-users way to answer that.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

17:01

@S.TarıkÇetin Not meta; can a 'texture' texture expert give a decent answer? Sure! What about a 'sprite' expert? That too! At least that's the way I see it.

user4704

@DMGregory Yeah.

DMGregory

@AlexandreVaillancourt Thanks, that's a handy way to frame it. :) I'll keep that in mind.

Stephane Hockenhull

17:22

@AlexandreVaillancourt How about dr.pepper expert?

S. Tarık Çetin

@AlexandreVaillancourt Sounds reasonable.

DMGregory

That seems redundant. If you have a doctorate in Pepper, then I think it goes without saying that you're an expert.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@DMGregory That's a way to think about it. The help page says "Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories. ". Josh has recently commented on that, though. (Sorry for the double ping.)

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Stephane Hockenhull

Not really, you can legally call yourself Dr without a doctorate. Can't call yourself a nurse tho without certification but Dr is fine from what I've looked up.

Almo

or if you're like The Orb, you call yourself DR Alex Paterson, and everyone thinks you have a PhD. But his name is "Duncan Alexander Robert Paterson" :D

Stephane Hockenhull

17:34

I think there's no law in Canada and USA regulating the title itself.

Almo

yeah

MD is regulated for sure though :D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

19:43

3 hours ago, by Alexandre Vaillancourt

I have a feeling that this question will be popular.

It hit the HNQ.

Almo

20:22

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Q: Where to purchase multitrack music loops?

I've seen other questions about where to find royalty-free music available for purchase. But most of these tend to provide a single audio file with every instrument track already blended and mixed together. I'm more interested in the dynamic music route, and would want to download a bundle of aud...

the SO question close vote thing says "or links to off-site resources"

do we also close for these requests?

if so, maybe we should try to get the text of the close vote altered.

user92578

Yes, too broad

The Mattbat999

@Almo I flageed it for primarily opinion since it could turn into "whcih one is the best?" sort of deal

Almo

I'd like it if we had SO's close reason for this. "Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it. "

DMGregory

21:09

I think we're at our limit for custom close reasons. Maybe it would be worth starting a meta thread on proposed rewordings of our existing custom reasons to try to better address common cases we're seeing?

Aside, I thought I'd already seen a question about where to find multi-track music / stems a month or two ago... not finding it though. (My search-fu may simply be weak today)

dot_Sp0T

22:00

When I want to be able to draw different segments of a string in different colours I can either store the colour-data with the vertices (3byte colour-data per point) or change shader-uniforms for each segment. One is storage-intensive, the other has a big impact on computation-time;; or is there a third alternative?

Bálint

@DMGregory

DMGregory

Hmmm... a 3rd texture coordinate pointing into a palette ramp?

Bálint

Sorry, wrong linkl

@Bálint I'd say that's a response backed up with enough evidence to be worth upvoting as an answer. :) — DMGregory 3 hours ago

DMGregory

Ahhh, it's hideous! XD

Bálint

You know, my "evidence" was opening Wikipedia to make sure I at least get the terminology right

I did a bit of research though, I'll post the answer in a minute

DMGregory

22:04

Haha. What I mean is it wasn't "no, because I say so" - you gave reasons and identified specific issues a solution would need to address.

Bálint

Oh, right

Thanks

Bálint

22:33

Unite 2015 - Building 2D Worlds with new 2D features in Unity

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Are these features out?

Stephane Hockenhull

23:14

So it doesn't auto-corner yet?

DMGregory

23:25

Looks like it's in 2017.2 youtube.com/watch?v=Fi9dHD7TTpY Or are there differences between this and what they presented in 2015? I haven't gone through point-by-point yet.

Bálint

@DMGregory That's some of the features, not all yet though

I'll have to go check myself

Stephane Hockenhull

does it works with 3D tiles?

Bálint

For instance youtu.be/muRhea-JaIM?t=945

@StephaneHockenhull If they implemented it since, then it should

Unite 2015 - Building 2D Worlds with new 2D features in Unity

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DMGregory

I'd be surprised if it does - promotion I've seen around the feature has been exclusively talking about 2D uses.

But you might be able to hack it to use the 2D editor as a tool to generate the map data to then place your 3D tiles in a corresponding way.

Bálint

@DMGregory The last video shows the guy using it for 3d

DMGregory

23:30

Oops, I missed it, thanks!

Bálint

Yeah, oneboxes don't show when it points to a certain time in the video

Stephane Hockenhull

@Bálint No, that's a flat plane. I mean with 3D tiles for the free-shape vector platforms.

Bálint

Oh, right

Nope, only 2d

At least I think

It's pretty hard to get the whole feature set from an hour long presentation video

Stephane Hockenhull

I love that it almost crashes when he puts 100 campfires :P

Bálint

@StephaneHockenhull It's a tradition in the computing industry to fail miserably at presentations

Windows 95 Blue Screen of Death while advertising

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Stephane Hockenhull

23:42

Ah the famous USB scanner BSOD shot :D

DMGregory

Ahh, looks like it's working the way I'd mentioned earlier - the built-in stuff is only managing the 2D tilemap, and it's a custom script that's hooking into that API for drawing and then spawning its own 3D prefabs.

The Mattbat999

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Q: Would this question be considered off-topic?

This question was asked recently, and has seemed to have brought up confusion in Game Development. Though, to me, seems off-topic, there aren't any flag descriptions that actually match to this question. How should this question be dealt with, if there is need for action?

discussion off-topic

Asked this on meta about that one question that seems off topic, but isn't at the same time

GDSE Meta

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Q: Would this question be considered off-topic?

This question was asked recently, and has seemed to have brought up confusion in Game Development. Though, to me, seems off-topic, there aren't any flag descriptions that actually match to this question. How should this question be dealt with, if there is need for action?

discussion off-topic

doppelspooker

@TheMattbat999 if you paste in the bare question link, it automatically converts to the question title. i prefer to do that because people will see a hundred "this question" links on meta, but active users will already know the question by the title if they get to see it.

Jimmy

where to find X is generally off topic, and it's categorized as "too broad" because evaluating the answers is subjective and the entire question turns into a bunch of links rather than a standalone source of information

The Mattbat999

23:52

@doppelspooker ok

Stephane Hockenhull

personally I would have put it under "where to get started" close-reason

Jimmy

it's actually a fairly well-worded and thought-out question I think

just sadly not in scope for this site

The Mattbat999

@StephaneHockenhull well, as I said in the Meta post, it doesn't really fall under one category of off-topic

Stephane Hockenhull

There's been a few games that have used "Pure Data" to do their dynamic sound tracks.

The Mattbat999

@Jimmy it is

Stephane Hockenhull

23:58

And it's free. So it's kind of like gimp: great value for the price, pay in time you take to learn it :P

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