Game Development

jgallant

10:43

ehhhh... i'll let this one slide

anyone here?

Lasse

yea

I'm always here, except when I'm not

jgallant

So Google seems to have removed Picross Touch steam link from their search results

I tried from various devices, and I can't find the search result anywhere.. wtf?

Lasse

jgallant

weird...

I can't get the result at all

the other day I just searched "picross" and it was on page 1

Lasse

yeah it's not there when searching for picross

it's on 2nd page 7th spot

jgallant

10:58

yeah well I can't even see it at all on my searches.

strange.

Lasse

maybe it's regional or something

Alexandre Vaillancourt

First result in duckduck go (picross touch)

jgallant

whatever fucken google shit

jgallant

11:32

ARGH SAVE DAMN YOU

its not even timing out wtf

jgallant

11:47

Anyone know anyone in Canada looking for a programming job?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Remote work?

Kevin van der Velden

I know someone not in canada looking for a canadian programming job =p

jgallant

Not likely remote

Alexandre Vaillancourt

It's at the place you're working that they need someone?

jgallant

you could say that

emploisfp-psjobs.cfp-psc.gc.ca/psrs-srfp/applicant/…

Lasse

11:57

apparantly our game takes 700mb of ram on android 5 and only 500mb on android 6, I wonder why

also I'm thinking that's the most likely cause for the callstackless nullref exception

as the devices it's happening on only has 1GB of ram and running android 4 or 5 too

jgallant

12:11

interesting... maybe that is why it won't start unless I accept your permission requirements?

HTC M8

Android 6

Lasse

I'm starting to talk to our slack bot users, is this bad?

jgallant

what is that

Lasse

slack, it's a messaging platform

jgallant

'i c.

Lasse

it's pretty useful

our issues from the issue tracker gets posted there too

so everything is in one place

user92578

12:16

quality is awful but what would we think of this small animation on bomb explosions?

user92578

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Does the job!

user92578

the real change here is the zoom, the truck has always had the exploded look, this would just make it more clear that a bomb exploded

jgallant

is the zoom supposed to do that?

it zooms into the guy first

Lasse

yeah that's cool addition

Alexandre Vaillancourt

12:18

I'd try to smooth it out a bit, though.

jgallant

would look better if it panned a bit before the zoom started

user92578

it zooms and targets at the same time

user92578

sure I can try that

jgallant

nitpicky but yeah

it draws the attention to the guy then it disorients me drawing attention to the bomb as a secondary

then my brain is like oh an explosion

user92578

jgallant

12:27

should it blow up so fast?

what is happening?

So this is a time limit level -- and when you reach the end of the timer, it does this?

user92578

yes

jgallant

then that is perfect.

user4704

15:19

That's a good idea; I did find that (so far) some of the more challenging levels could be more or less cheesed by going very slowly, and there's no obvious cost for taking a long time

user4704

Except a higher clear time, which I kinda don't care about

user4704

At least as far as enemy placement goes

jgallant

15:36

so in anima you attach colliders to your bones.

MickLH

@jgallant you quadruple anti-semite!!

jgallant

shurikens

MickLH

jon. you let it "slide"

how could I let you slide for that

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:52

@MickLH Only double, the others are drawn in the reverse order.

MickLH

oh ok, so then they balance out neutral?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I'm not enlightened enough to answer that question.

jgallant

16:14

should I ban it?

MickLH

nah lol

jgallant

maybe I am being too nice

I should be ruthless

MickLH

I'd personally not have banned any of it, I'd have just made an NSFW folder

jgallant

i can still play the banned ones

I can also show banned levels to players

I think most people delete them after they get banned though

SHAME!

MickLH

@doppelgreener Usually it's considered extremely rude to interrupt a discussion by insisting on a deeply bigoted personal interpretation of it. It is something else entirely however, an order of magnitude worse and completely uncalled-for, when such interpretation is willfully asserted despite the original participants kindly and patiently clarifying the invalid or ignorant presumptions.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:16

@jgallant nah, these are shurikens..

MickLH

Also to be clear if anyone is wondering... Insisting that one's personal choice of mannerisms is the objectively superior way to convey politeness, and asserting that any other form is unacceptable, fits the very definition of bigoted.

So even if your intentions are to love one another, saying that we must love in some specific way, specifically saying that other ways are unacceptable, is actually bigoted.

doppelgreener

@MickLH sorry, what's this about?

MickLH

@doppelgreener It's a self contained piece of information that is useful for almost anyone

jgallant

MickLH

jk we'd give almost anyone a 2nd chance no matter how impolite they were at first. it has been the tradition here as long as I can remember

doppelgreener

16:23

@MickLH i'm guessing the ping is because of the conversation a few days ago. i agree it's rude to interrupt discussions flat-out, including to further be rude to its participants, but as for the rest I don't have any specific response.

MickLH

That's all good man! It's not a question, just a comment.

doppelgreener

While I appreciate the thought of being given a second chance, I don't think my actions were unwarranted, and I'm using this room because I'm personally interested in the topic. I'll do my best to follow our community standards (doubly so since being a moderator now puts that expectation on me) and I have a reasonable expectation for others to follow them as well.

MickLH

Make an effort to avoid confusing "community" and "personal" standards.

doppelgreener

@MickLH The Be Nice standards are community standards.

MickLH

the interpretation of "Nice" is personal

doppelgreener

16:32

I also don't expect everyone to like me, but I imagine we can coexist in the room just fine.

MickLH

but the definition of "bigoted" is not personal, it's objective

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener Congratulations :)

doppelgreener

@AlexandreVaillancourt Thanks!

@MickLH I don't know what you're trying to achieve here by bringing that up since it isn't the operative term, and I corrected myself immediately after mentioning it myself.

MickLH

Normally we have to educate the mods here, so I'm just doing the courtesy. You're not the first.

Most of them appreciate being clued in to the room's culture

We are game developers.

We play games.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Basic StackExchange standards apply here, regardless of the culture of the room...

doppelgreener

16:36

@MickLH I appreciate the efforts, but I'm not going to consider messages like those that were removed by a moderator (who wasn't me, since I was not a moderator at the time) to be in line with the Stack Exchange Be Nice policy, and room culture doesn't overrule Be Nice.

(whether those are your personal views of the room culture, or your personal views of what's OK regardless of room culture, etc.)

MickLH

We'll continue later as you've assumed invalid presumptions on the basis of conversation again.

In the meantime, don't worry, the room's culture is one of the friendliest on the SE network :)

And one of the most helpful, if you have game development questions!

One point I feel the need to drill a bit though: Assume that all regulars here are quite mature. They are. That axiom will allow you clear up a lot of jokes that could seem ignorant or annoying otherwise.

Even the kids here are mature and have released titles.

doppelgreener

@MickLH Thanks. I'll rely on that maturity when I'm dealing with violations of Be Nice, should I ever have to.

MickLH

@doppelgreener That's not comforting as several people agree that you have not been nice yourself.

You seem to underestimate the intelligence of the room. We can clearly see the belittling intentions of such a message. Which is ironically the first clause of "Be Nice"

> 1. Rudeness and belittling language are not okay.

> 3. Don't be a jerk.
> > Harassment and bullying.

jgallant

does it really say jerk?

MickLH

2 days ago, by jgallant

borderline mod abuse

ahem

@jgallant it does!

user92578

16:56

turns out replacing a few ""s with ''s did not work as expected

user92578

mildly annoying

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 in what context?

user92578

I have this weird custom simple markup for my credits file, so like anything between {}s gets rendered more tightly together

user92578

I had #defines for those { and }

user92578

so #define tightlyRenderedOpen "{" got changed to #define tightlyRenderedOpen '{'

MickLH

16:59

ah that'll be a pain lol

Now it's an integer instead of a string

user92578

ah right, makes sense

MickLH

I think '{' == 123

user92578

I've been doing some code cleaning which in this case means replacing #defines with static constexprs inside the class

user92578

I was hoping to get away with static constexpr char m_TightlyRenderedOpen instead of static constexpr char* const m_TightlyRenderedOpen

user92578

and yeah that last const is probably unnecessary

MickLH

17:01

I wonder if you can have a constexpr const type const :P

user92578

I don't think so

user92578

wait yeah you can

user92578

I want smarter intellisense that lists W(idth)s before H(eight)s and Opens before Closes

user4704

For reference, "be nice" doesn't come with some kind of "culturally contextual" disclaimer regarding whether or not two people having a conversation "understand eachother," or similar. It's not about understanding that something is a joke or not, it's not about somebody ability or inability to perceive something as a joke, and those kinds of arguments in defense of objectionable statements will not hold any water.

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user92578

static constexpr is like the best thing ever though, the only reason I was doing these #define constants is because for regular old static variables you also had to define them in a cpp file

MickLH

17:09

@JoshPetrie "be nice" also is not an excuse to impose arbitrary, barely tangentially related opinions onto others.

If someone says something horrible, of course it should apply regardless of culture

user4704

Depends what those opinions are.

user4704

And what they are tangential to.

MickLH

If nobody has said anything horrible, and it takes a 30 minute discussion as to how it hypothetically could be horrible... it does not apply

Do you deny this?

user4704

I deny that it's your call to make.

MickLH

Do you deny objective reality though, that's the interesting question

user4704

17:10

I'm not really interested in having a philosophical discussion.

MickLH

Oh, sorry I had assumed you did given that you initiated one

user4704

I am just dropping in to leave a reminder about the rules, given some apparent recent discussion of the topic.

user4704

That's all.

MickLH

Clarification is appreciated, though the issue is subtle here. I think it's resolved though.

user92578

17:17

I can't hold all these mods

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 I approve of this green background, citizen

MickLH

hahaha

Byte56

I saw the light in the sky

The mod signal.

MickLH

Don't worry it was just a false alarm like usual

Nothing bad ever actually happens here, or when it does nobody calls a mod

Almo

I tend to disagree. Some bad things have happened.

We've lost some good members over it.

MickLH

17:21

I addressed that in the 2nd part. Mods have never helped

In fact, exactly mods have driven away at least one very good user directly

Byte56

Right... I think is this why I don't visit chat.

Almo

@MickLH incorrect

MickLH

As in, not just my opinion, but someone who objectively offered help on a vast amount of game development and programming topics... his own actual words that he is leaving due to the "tyranny" of the moderation

user4704

That's unfortunate, but the rules are the rules and you agree to them when you sign up.

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user4704

shrug

Byte56

17:26

Yeah, no one has a right to be here, it's a privilege. If you're not responsible it's taken away. Pretty simple really.

user92578

I gotta admit that I have no idea who these users we are talking about are.

MickLH

I think we're not talking about anything at this point

Just running the neural network on "reasonable output" mode

jgallant

17:41

ever throw a javelin?

Almo

I have not

sounds like it might be fun though

of the track and field events the one I'd want to do is pole vault

looks like a lot of fun

Byte56

They haven't made a javelin that is appropriate for my limp wristed throwing style.

jgallant

I always felt like they should adjust the high jump event based on your height

its not fair if daddy long legs over here is able to just walk over the bar

MickLH

@jgallant Does throwing a Javelin Stamp at a computer numerical control problem count?

Almo

haha :D

jgallant

17:45

Naw, like a real life javelin

MickLH

That is a real life javelin

jgallant

In that case I don't know

MickLH

The real reason it doesn't count is Java

jgallant

do you guys do the beep test at school?

where you run back and forth 100meters to the tone of a beep that gets progressively faster

or 50m i dunno

MickLH

oh yeah I remember that test a long time ago lol

Almo

17:48

it is disturbing how many people talking about LoL in the media have no fucking clue that the plural of "marksman" is "marksmen". :(

jgallant

is proper grammar really that important anymore?

Almo

yes

jgallant

haha

Almo

as it gets worse, miscommunications will become more and more common

jgallant

i was just kidding

Almo

17:49

the built in redundancy in language is there for a reason

:D

MickLH

it's pretty scary to me how easily people misunderstand already

Almo

grammar is no joke, motherfucker. :)

jgallant

so we need to create a new simplified language based on logic

a universal language

Almo

lojban

MickLH

they literally do not even consider the definitions of words, they just receive a feeling and trust it blindly

jgallant

17:50

if you don't learn it in 10 years you are killed

Almo

look it up

it contains no ambiguities in it, supposedly

MickLH

Existing languages already converged to Zipf's law. I don't know a single person who actually uses lojban.

Almo

there is a small community of people who use it

like on the order of a few hundred

jgallant

i bet they are all weirdos

Almo

supposedly it's pretty easy to learn

MickLH

17:51

I think that alone proves we don't need it

How many people know Klingon lol

jgallant

thousands

Almo

well it's like qwerty

jgallant

of weirdo.s

Almo

we don't NEED dvorak, but we'd type more efficiently if we had it.

MickLH

I don't think we would be more efficient though

All the natural languages have converged to a simple mathematical law

Neural networks are extremely good at optimizing complicated tasks lol

jgallant

17:52

(and that ladies and gentlemen is how you steer a conversation)

Almo

ROKIT LEEG

I can't right now though

but I like it

jgallant

lol.

I'm sick of recycling beer bottles, I drink way faster than I can recycle them.

damn bottles are taking over the house

gonna buy a glass smelting oven

smelt it into blocks and resell that to glass factories

anyone have any experience in smelting glass actually?

Almo

hahaha

MickLH

I know a guy who does glass at home as a hobby? I never asked him much about it lol

jgallant

how dangerous can it be

MickLH

17:56

Pretty damn?

Lol make a giant prince rupert drop

jgallant

world's biggest

drop it from 1km up

block out the sun

MickLH

lol someone shot a prince rupert drop with a rifle on high speed camera

Almo

man i got like 30 loot crates for logging in to HotS after the 2.0 update

jgallant

yeah I saw it

Almo

got like 2 heroes and maybe two skins I would ever use

sorry, I forgot I was streaming

jgallant

17:57

the shot not the loot crates

MickLH

the drop deflected the bullet without taking damage... but the shockwave from the deflection traveled through to the other side and that broke it after

doppelgreener

@jgallant we did that back in my high school. that was tough.

jgallant

it didn't deflect, it literally exploded the bullet

Almo

oh right

MickLH

whatever you want to call it

Almo

17:58

:D

MickLH

@doppelgreener oh come on, that wasn't tough lol

jgallant

i remember the fatter kids dropping out super early

MickLH

You just run until you taste blood in your mouth and then you look like a boss

jgallant

then sitting there contemplating their life

while everyone else continued

MickLH

idk that's what I did anyways, my ego wouldn't accept dropping out early

doppelgreener

17:59

@MickLH i dunno what beep test you were using, but we had one with the beeps becoming shorter and shorter. it sure became tough.

probably was super easy at the start though.

MickLH

yeah... that's why you run until you taste blood

jgallant

yeah it started at like 4 minutes between beeps, and went up to 30 seconds

MickLH

it's not difficult, it's demanding

there's a difference

jgallant

if I did that today I would collapse and die

my ankle would give out

or I would puke

doppelgreener

@jgallant ours started at no more than 30 seconds between beeps. might've been a shorter track, though, maybe 30-50 meters.

jgallant

18:00

if you watch silicon valley, there was a lead actor that died between seasons, so in the third season they explain how he died on the show

well, the character was killed on the show as well

doppelgreener

(definitely wasn't more than 50)

jgallant

He ran after something, and well... he hadn't ran in a while.... and that was it.

MickLH

lol

if you're that bad you need to go on a walk or you're just gonna die randomly in your chair

doppelgreener

that is amazing

MickLH

being sedentary is more dangerous than being obese

doppelgreener

18:02

(i feel bad for the actor but that's hilarious for the character)

jgallant

Silicon Valley - Peter Gregory dies

►

The actor actually died in real life.. they have a funeral and everything on the show

and it is hilarious

doppelgreener

I wonder how the Star Trek films are going to handle Chekov's actor dying, if they don't just lampshade it

jgallant

In the Spartacus tv series, Spartacus died after season 1

they just kept going with a totally different actor like nothing happened lol

Almo

mel gibson and danny glover in Maverick. "Haven't I seen you before?"

about Julia roberts in Ocean's Eleven. "Isn't that..." "No, just looks like her. amazing, huh?"

doppelgreener

@jgallant apparently they plan to not recast chekov in future films at all, even with a different actor, so he's not getting the Spartacus / Dumbledore / etc treatment

jgallant

18:08

didn't they replace vin diesel with a black guy in fast and the furious 3

Almo

checkov was pretty good as the psy officer in bab 5

jgallant

Gun test

i still need to set out the range shit

fuck animating :)

gonna code that shit

doppelgreener

@jgallant that guy props the stock up against his face if he's aiming left. ;_;

jgallant

i don't know if the gun is pointing backwards or not

lol

doppelgreener

looks like that's a double barrel shotgun pointing forward

i'd suggest that if he's firing, the shoulder itself should be the gun's pivot point

MickLH

18:22

it looks like a modern smg with a suppressor

doppelgreener

since we brace the stock against our shoulder and keep it firmly there unless we're just holding it free

MickLH

do a bullpup

jgallant

anyways yeah it demonstrates this two handed system

the grip points are variable

user92578

super cool

jgallant

I think so ehehe

plus those limbs have hitboxes and can fly off so that is a bonus

Mithrandir

18:35

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Q: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?

Along the lines of the discussion (poll) on expletives on SE sites, what is the policy for them in chat? In my mind, there is a very large difference between proper SE site content (posts and comments) and chat. Chat far more fluid than the "fixed content" of the site, and the occasional explet...

MickLH

>is room owner

SevenSidedDie

@MickLH Hence the reminder.

jgallant

The art of poking the bear.

oh wait why am i on the star board with explitives? gosh darnit guys.

Almo

hahaha

Mithrandir

There are three (not pinned) messages with expletives on the starboard at the moment. Hence the reminder.

jgallant

18:45

Noted

That is embarrasing

literally 30% guys

SevenSidedDie

@jgallant Going back through the room to clean it up seems a poor use of mod time. Hitting the don't-do-that button on a screw-you-you're-not-my-dad response to the reminder is pretty easy though.

Almo

:D

jgallant

Oh I totally agree man, insane stuff.

SevenSidedDie

Unless you want use to go through the transcript. We can do that. Just let me get a cup of coffee. :)

jgallant

I don't care what you do.

Almo

18:47

just clearing the stars is enough really

jgallant

Unless it is game dev.

Then I care.

Almo

GAME DEV

who makes games anyway :(

jgallant

I heard this guy called Henry

knows this other dude on CB radio that is making this sea trading game

i might get a CB radio and see if I can find more about him

spoeaking of which, almo

where is that prototype of that spaceship

PearsonArtPhoto

Amateur, not CB.

jgallant

probably not the same guy then

PearsonArtPhoto

18:52

Probably not.

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