Game Development

Almo

00:58

public int ShapeValue[5];

PearsonArtPhoto

01:47

Stephane Hockenhull

ooh, pathfinding with water currents?

PearsonArtPhoto

Well, that's been around for a while.

What I was working on was the tool tip.

I'm still trying to decide what information to show, colors, etc, but it's almost there...

Nakilon

@Sie it is the exact subreddit where I found link to this chat -- the only related chatroom I've managed to find

I decided to stick with the mechanics that I read in a huge Sim City 4 manual (I guess i was written by dev)

so a new citizen picks some place for his house and then day by day he says what's wrong with this town, until he gets out if his demands are not fullfilled

so it's like

def build_some_house()
  if there is free space near road
    build it
  else
    build_some_road()
    build_some_house()
  end
end

road is built over the house if all the road lines are already surrounded

in my assumption the city I generate is isolated and has no road to outside world (out of map borders) initially

Nakilon

02:45

Almo

03:05

@MickLH I don't know if you dig number geek shit, but here's something interesting

The 10,958 Problem - Numberphile

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jgallant

10:18

Neil Degrasse Tyson: “You don’t have the option to say you don’t believe E=mc2. It’s true whether or not you believe it.”

Unfortunately, he is wrong about this. You have the option to say you don't believe it, and it doesn't matter if it is true.

Welcome to the world we live in.

user92578

the one where phoebe says she doesn't believe in gravity

John Hamilton

Whenever someone says that they don't believe in something, I tell them that I don't believe that they don't believe in that thing. It gets them into a whole "Wha? Huh? Who?" loop.

jgallant

But jesus said it was true

John Hamilton

Well, I don't believe that you believe Jesus said it was true.

user92578

jesus is the bread

John Hamilton

10:21

It goes on and on and I never get tired of it, their impressions and mimics tell a whole story. Fun for the whole family.

user92578

Battle thing is coming together nicely

jgallant

netcode!~

jgallant

10:35

えぐ

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DH.

11:58

^Wtf lol

user92578

> Maybe I have to use a class? If so, just send me a code snippet of that class and its methods.

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 where's that from?

user92578

@Tyyppi_77 I'm looking for a method, for example my method is to separate the textbox into 14 parts and then render each textures separately (I gave you my code as an example). Is there any other way? Maybe I have to use a class? If so, just send me a code snippet of that class and its methods. — Pradana Aumars 5 mins ago

Kevin van der Velden

Uugh

Also search doesn't search in comments apparently

John Hamilton

Hey @Tyyppi_77 just make my game for me...

user92578

12:07

I'll try to write as non-complete example as possible

jgallant

what he should do, is do the doo doo

PearsonArtPhoto

Dev Blog- Colonial Sea Trader. Yes, it finally has a name! Also, UI improvements. kd7uiy.com/2017/04/dev-blog-colonial-sea-trader-yes-it-has.html

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user92578

cool!

Kevin van der Velden

Guys, help me come up with a name for my LD38 game

John Hamilton

is that the thing with the planets and the guys that move on it?

Kevin van der Velden

12:10

Yes

user92578

"male escorts on a planet"

Kevin van der Velden

No

John Hamilton

how many planets are there going to be in the game? have an idea for a map size? multi or single player focus?

Kevin van der Velden

@JohnHamilton one per game =p

jgallant

4x as many as sean murray

Kevin van der Velden

12:13

It's basically a minimalist (in terms of features) territory RTS game, you send dudes to capture camps, the camps spawn more dudes

And no, I am not creating a multiplayer game in 3 days

jgallant

so you admit, you can't do it.

user92578

"minimalist territory RTS on a planet with dude"

jgallant

P.T. / Silent Hills Concept Movie - TGS 2014

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holy shit you guys ever see this?

John Hamilton

sees severed head, nopes out

jgallant

it is a cancelled silent hill concept by kojima team

I worked in phone support for like 2 years, back in the dialup internet days

"What version of windows are you running?" a lot of people had no idea.

John Hamilton

12:24

@KevinvanderVelden totally awesome spherical territory yakuza / spells tasty (I worked harder on that than I should've)

Kevin van der Velden

@jgallant Source, also more

jgallant

Windows ME was Windows 2000

Windows 98 was Windows 99

I had to get them to reboot and read the loading screen sometimes.

Click on Start and read what it says on the side

Impossible for them to read that Windows 98 on the side, they read out the entire menu items

So I would just say ... UGHHHH, click shutdown and restart

NO ON THE SIDE IN BLUE -- "Oh in blue? it says Programs"

John Hamilton

should've told them to tilt their heads left

jgallant

I was wayyyyyyy overqualified for that job.

No man, you have no idea

It was like you are giving instructions to a brick wall.

its like the concept of processing information was impossible to understand for them.

John Hamilton

Oh I have all the ideas, don't worry, my entire bloodline consists of people who cannot fathom how to work a computer... I was the tech support for many years before stuff became mainstream and my cousins grew up...

jgallant

12:28

And the one time you got them to rightclick on something -- every single click after that you would be prompted "right click or left click?"

John Hamilton

at least now I can just get them to install teamviewer once and I'm set for a while

jgallant

I used this

Back Orifice

Back Orifice (often shortened to BO) is a computer program designed for remote system administration. It enables a user to control a computer running the Microsoft Windows operating system from a remote location. The name is a play on words on Microsoft BackOffice Server software. It can also control multiple computers at the same time using imaging. Back Orifice was designed with a client–server architecture. A small and unobtrusive server program is installed on one machine, which is remotely manipulated by a client program with a graphical user interface on another computer system. The t...

PearsonArtPhoto

13:05

So, have I made enough progress to consider a Greenlight run?

jgallant

If you are ready to get personally insulted go for it!

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL

user92578

I think feature-wise you're there

user92578

But the people on Greenlight don't care about that as much as they do about graphics

user92578

And while your world looks awesome, I think the UI might be a turnoff to people

jgallant

13:08

Quite frankly the people on greenlight expect AAA quality games

PearsonArtPhoto

Well, the graphics have improved a fair bit.

jgallant

that are 100% original

PearsonArtPhoto

jgallant

that gray border looks really bad to me

and the buttons below it

and the fonts

Everything about your UI screams built-in Unity UI

PearsonArtPhoto

Hmmm.

Okay, I'll work on the buttons, fonts, etc this week.

jgallant

13:10

yeah try to keep consistent with the UI

user92578

yup develop yourself an UI style

John Hamilton

I have that contact I could put a word in for ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

jgallant

for example on the right side you have blue borders (which to me provide no contrast but whatever), and then on the left you have gray

PearsonArtPhoto

Fair enough.

jgallant

the point is, it creates a focus point for people to bitch about

no one will appreciate the work you put into the world itself if they can just easily bitch about what they see initially

PearsonArtPhoto

13:14

Fair enough.

jgallant

lol

people on steam are brutal

"oh look 10 people just before me commented on how this game looks like broforce, I better comment about that too!"

GAME IS BROFORCE CLON! RIPOFF!

PearsonArtPhoto

I'll still work on improving it, but...

jgallant

make the map a little larger so the border is the same size

And just use any other button style and font , should improve it

kenney.nl/assets/ui-pack

just use one of these and tint it

it will look better than those flat unity ones

user92578

it's often really small things that make up a style/look
like my UI is far from perfect but it's basically just two things: two transparent rects rendered ontop of each other as a background, and text rendered twice with an offset (to make the 3Dish look)

jgallant

mine are literally just squares with a couple of borders lol

elegant.

John Hamilton

13:22

I was using kenney's buttons, then my friend made me neon looking ones, mmmmm

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm probably going to upgrade to Kenney's buttons.

I even paid for them, so... I know you don't have to, but...

I was planning on moving that way, but I guess now I should just do it.

jgallant

its worth a shot to see if it improves it or not

Also worth switching up from that standard arial font

PearsonArtPhoto

13:41

Sure.

I'll spend a day or two working on the main UI, and then start working my way through all of the dialogs

Almo

yeah, Arial sucks

cheap helvetica knockoff

PearsonArtPhoto

I hate fonts...

jgallant

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL. I'll work on the font issue next.

Almo

13:59

hahaha nice one jg

PearsonArtPhoto

Maybe I'll just use Roboto

Almo

oh shit

that's not arial

PearsonArtPhoto

Almo

The R at least is helvetica

yup, it's helvetica. the R is the dead giveaway

still fucking funny :)

PearsonArtPhoto

google.com/get/noto

Noto is Roboto, but not just for Android. I'll give it a shot I suppose.

user92578

14:13

@Almo I don't get these

Almo

The one jon posted with the red car is actually written in Helvetica, so it's a joke

Mine is done with actual Arial

user92578

ohhh

Almo

Helvetica is plain, but arial has something odd about its proportions

The As in arial look odd, as does the R

I think the joke is a real inside one, like people have a vague sense that they're not supposed to like Arial and Helvetica is supposedly better, so you look at the red car pic and think yeah arial sucks, but it's really helvetica. a type person will spot it though

PearsonArtPhoto

If I'm going to change out all of the fonts in my game, I should also switch to TMPro while I'm at it.

And if I'm going to do that, I should figure out how to make localization an option while I'm at it.

I won't actually do the localization yet, mind you, but get it ready.

Kevin van der Velden

14:34

Uuugh, I hate all these "What is the most efficient way" questions

THERE IS NO ONE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY

If you can explain what you're after in a few sentences then it's too broad for a statement about "the most efficient"

Almo

@PearsonArtPhoto sounds smart

Cognizer has comments in the code // ALMOLOCALIZE for places where I'd have to do the localization if i ever got around to it

PearsonArtPhoto

Well, I was going to need to do it sooner or later...

Updating all of the text objects in the game will be a pain, but it's a one time pain.

Almo

14:55

yeah

jgallant

i made that image btw, lol

BTW, TMPro adds like 80MB to your project build size.

Almo

:D

user92578

"Choose The Arena" or "Choose An Arena" or something else?

jgallant

Pick Arena

PearsonArtPhoto

That much? Wow.

jgallant

15:00

Pick-A-Reena

I think it depends on the font and size of the meshes you render

PearsonArtPhoto

My total build is only 16 MB...

Almo

15:32

building android project: File path too long on Windows

whose idea was it to limit Windows 7 to 240 characters for a filepath

D:\production\LoveHipHop\Branches\Root\Builds\ANDROID\LoveHipHop_ANDROID\apk\int‌ermediates\exploded-aar\LoveHipHop_Gradle\play-services-base-10.2.1.aar\unspecifi‌ed\res\drawable-mdpi-v4\common_google_signin_btn_text_dark_normal_background.9.pn‌g

google using long names so you can tell what's what, and it blows up when you build on windows

now I have to move the build directory around to try to get it to work

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo only if you use certain APIs

You can without issue create files from windows on windows that windows explorer cannot under any circumstances remove

Almo

yeah

Kevin van der Velden

Which is really remarkably stupid

Almo

haha yeah

Kevin van der Velden

But then, I don't know anyone accusing microsoft of being meticulous with details

Almo

15:39

I copied a file from mac once that had a space at the end of the name. windows copied it, skipping the check that strips those

so when clicking delete, it takes the name from the explorer, filters it, then says "that doesn't exist"

had to get out a dos command to force it to use the name with the space on the end

Kevin van der Velden

I can copy files from some path on a drive to my NAS, works fine with copying. Later trying to remove it from explorer doesn't work

Almo

:D

DH.

UNIX based and Windows interactions are the worst

Almo

haha

DH.

The classic CRLF - LF change is the most notable fuck up

Almo

15:41

Had some weird ones between VMS and DOS back in the days

Kevin van der Velden

@DH. Nah, that's just two different philosophies, the file name one is purely a windows issue

Almo

VMS filenames have ;# at the end, where # is the number of times the file had been changed

Kevin van der Velden

"I can create a file with $name!... Hey windows, give me the file with $name" ERrRr, what are you talking about? I don't know $nam (sic)

And now, hooooooome

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt

you here?

DH.

@KevinvanderVelden It is still a problem, I had one client that their server was Windows but they had some users on Linux, which caused some texts to be LF only, causing the reports to get printed in one line

Kevin van der Velden

16:18

Not an OS issue though, and there is a difference between OS interoptabillity bugs and an OS being able to break itself by a user creating a file

Bálint

16:48

I'm currently participating in a programming competition, and I'm always having at least one problem-

I'm not sure what's up with the judges, but so far there were 5 tasks we had to solve, and all of them was wrong

For instance there was one where you had to find the shortest path between 2 points, where the weights were based on the angle of the path. They said you can't go up slopes with an angle more than 30 degrees, and guess what, there was no path like that

PearsonArtPhoto

That's frustrating, but are you 100% certain?

Bálint

Do you ask me or who?

PearsonArtPhoto

Yes.

I'd love to see the problems, if you can show them.

Bálint

17:15

Of course

To solve the first task we had to send a specific message to a TCP server. The problem was, that the server was offline.

Then came the harder ones

PearsonArtPhoto

Okay, you definitely have that one.

Bálint

They gave us a link and we had to write a web crawler that goes 3 links deep and count's a specific string in the source code.

I solved the problem, tried it out, and nothing. I checked it three times, then I wrote to them.

They said they messed something up, I tried the same result again and it worked

PearsonArtPhoto

You should win the competition, fixing their problems;-)

Bálint

There was a task here, that didn't require any programming, and it was actually correct

Basically a lights out game but with 3 states: mcdorli.github.io/lights-out/index.html

The third problematic one was the one I described above with a 256*256 grid

They removed the "less than 30 degree" rule to fix it

The fourth was the one I'm trying to solve know

It's pretty complex, you have a lot of mechanical parts, each of them has some possible failures. These failures have a chance to occur (defined as how many times it occurs in a millions) and a sensitivity (how bad is it if it fails like that)

And we have 100 modules that fix these problems. Each of these modules has a list of failures it can detect and a time they need to complete it

You have to pick out some modules, that checks these in the least amount of time

Here came the problem

They created a scoring system, where they first take every part that's not covered by the chosen modules, multiply their sensitivity with the occurence and they add these up

Almo

what do I do if two different android libraries include the same class and it won't build because of the conflict

temp/play-services-ads-10.2.1/libs/com/google/android/gms/internal/zznf.class
temp/play-services-appindexing-9.8.0/libs/com/google/android/gms/internal/zznf.class

Bálint

17:25

They first said they use the algorithm 0.7 * TCA + 0.3 * time, where TCA is the sum and time is the total time of the modules

But when I tried our result on the server it outputted a value very different from what I found

They basically messed up the algorithm and used an older version in the docs

We aren't sure in the fifth one yet, they didn't answer so far

Each of the tasks also contained thousands of grammar mistakes

This is pretty embarassing considering the competition is hosted by Continental

Kevin van der Velden

20:52

Heh, I reversed a logic check and my AI kept sending it's units as far away as possible

Almo

hahah :D

Kevin van der Velden

It is super janky, it has no menu, you start over by restarting the game. But it works? It even has an AI that is (probably too) hard

Kevin van der Velden

21:28

Aah that fun moment when you realize one of the assets you used is CC-BY-SA

I submitted a game to Ludum Dare! Tiny Global Annihilation

And now bed o/

Almo

:D

DH.

22:33

His game isn't up yet :c

jgallant

Premature bed time

DH.

I think it's because it takes time for them to show up

jgallant

23:20

Orrrrrrrr

DH.

Or he gave the wrong URL

Stephane Hockenhull

ldjam.com/events/ludum-dare/38/tiny-global-annihilation

Found it

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