Game Development

DH.

01:30

@jgallant I'm pretty sure you helped making r/PlaceHearts become /rPlacehFarts

Mona Jalal

Hi everyone, any idea why launching GTAVLauncher.exe for starting the GTAV using Nvidia NSight HUD v5.2 crashes after 10 seconds or so? Here's the screenshots superuser.com/questions/1195165/…

DH.

No idea and this is for Game Development, for gaming there is Arqade

Stephane Hockenhull

@MonaJalal ---> gaming.stackexchange.com

DH.

Except if you are trying to mod GTA, but in any case I wouldn't see why you would use NSight tho...

MickLH

To see how they lay out the textures

@MonaJalal Don't they have some kind of anti-cheat? I'd assume that would get in the way a bit

DH.

01:45

It's not my strong point, so I can't complain if she is trying to use that for modding and stuff

Stephane Hockenhull

Yeah, they're probably detecting the debugger or attached process and crashing intentionally

Mona Jalal

02:12

@MickLH I want to use NSight for frame analaysis and seeing depth map/shader map/texture/ and stuff in the gbuffer. I don't want to use NSight for modding.

the game itself suggests me to be started by NSight when I right click on it

is there a chatroom for gaming.stackexchange.com ?

also I hope this is not very unrelated but I don't know how to attach a game to Visual Studio Graphics Debugger stackoverflow.com/questions/43196408/… do you know how can it be done?

I downloaded Nvidia NSIGHT from here developer.nvidia.com/nvidia-nsight-visual-studio-edition

Stephane Hockenhull

The game isn't suggesting to be started by NSight.
NSight itself adds that option to all programs.

Chris McFarland

08:45

@Tyyppi_77 What's crackin

user92578

just woke up

Chris McFarland

me too haha

user92578

bunch of resolution-related issues left to fix for today, I'll try to smash through most of them today

Chris McFarland

2 hour nap... should give me enough energy for another 6 hours of coding til 2am

Fun

user92578

lol cool

jgallant

09:03

Nerds

jgallant

09:59

YouTubers are all freaking out now that their ad revenue moneys is gone

Maybe you shouldn't build your entire source of income off a company like YouTube?

I always said what if YouTube just decided to stop paying?

All these people would end up having to find something else to do to survive

Chris McFarland

that's how life is
what if your employer goes belly up?
what if Steam said "sorry, no more games for anyone"

John Hamilton

@jgallant That's what sponsors are for. Only the smaller channels and the ones that love burning bridges will be affected by this.

Chris McFarland

embrace an opportunity, but have an exit plan (or expect it to end), nothing's guaranteed it's gonna last forever

MickLH

@JohnHamilton Sounds like the most system-ish propagandaey response ever

jgallant

I think this is an attack on the power some YouTubers have over mainstream media

MickLH

10:03

Basically you just said he's a terrorist if he doesn't remember where he was on 9/11

jgallant

They hitjobbed pewdiepie a couple of weeks ago

MickLH

YouTube doesn't provide actual value, it just wastes your time. It shouldn't be making money anyways.

jgallant

Now they are attacking the entire platform

YouTube is tv 2.0

It provides value to a lot of people

MickLH

I thought we all realized TV is bad already

There's life and stuff, you know? We have better technology than ever before, you can go anywhere in the world overnight.

jgallant

Are you not entertained?

MickLH

10:06

You can eat anything you've ever wanted to try

John Hamilton

With whose money?

MickLH

You can talk to anyone anywhere

Fuck YouTube... real life.

John Hamilton

Youtube is the cheapest entertainment there is, that's why it's popular

jgallant

But then what man child will I look up to?

MickLH

cheapest = cheapest

John Hamilton

10:07

you can still have a meal with cheap ingredients

MickLH

That's not how I like to live life personally

Lasse

I can get all the michelin-star-grade food for very cheap and in large quantities if I learned to cook it myself

jgallant

And what the fuck is up with tutorials with a music track drowning out what they are saying?

How stupid can you be?

MickLH

lol people need to hide from their own voice

jgallant

That you sit there and tell others how to do things properly when you clearly are incapable of it

MickLH

10:09

Did you watch new rick and morty?

jgallant

Yeah lol

The only reason I saved you part was amazing

MickLH

He's a spy. Kill him. I'm gonna go take a shit.

jgallant

I'm gonna get that sauce Morty even if it takes me burp 9 more seasons Morty

So yeah I just googled how to adjust volume level in Adobe premier

It's literally an option under Clip, music, adjust gain

But this video wad the top result

John Hamilton

I think McDonalds might even bring the sauce back

MickLH

Do you guys think one minute with no sign of life is a good time to kill the connection?

It feels plenty safe against walking through bad reception, but would it be a pain to wait 1 full minute for someone to lag out if they crash?

Is 30 seconds too aggressive? Is it still too long??

jgallant

10:18

depends on the situation

John Hamilton

Depends on the game too

Chris McFarland

@MickLH If you were on the table, how many seconds would you want?

jgallant

depends on the amount of szechuan sauce you have in reserve.

John Hamilton

I wouldn't want a friend of mine to get dropped off an RTS if at all possible, but if it was something like rainbow 6, even 10 seconds is too many seconds

Chris McFarland

Ohh are we talking about game connections lol

John Hamilton

10:19

I assumed we were, I'm not sure

jgallant

i thought this was about speed dating

MickLH

The technically feasible limit before the reliability scheme starts to fall apart is somewhere between 30 minutes and a few hours

As in, if someone tripped over the Ethernet cable but plugged it back in 2 hours later the game shouldn't drop the connection

But then if someone crashes they will be "lagging" status for hours

jgallant

message pop up to client "Are you still there?"

"Well are you?"

"No?"

"Okay then... BUH BYEEEE"

John Hamilton

What kind of a game system are we talking about?

MickLH

hmm I could flip that over to the other side, since we wouldn't get the message back when the stream is interrupted, we could ask "Are they still there?"

jgallant

10:24

in the technical side of things we call that a heartbeat

MickLH

the issue I'm concerned with is when no packets at all get through though

after no sign of life for a while, when do you cut it off and say the socket is dead?

John Hamilton

Let the client send packets every 15 seconds saying "I'm alive!"

If you have four or more packets missing, kill it

jgallant

Assume they are dead unless they can prove otherwise.

John Hamilton

That really is dependent on the game though

MickLH

That's already handled, I've invented something I call a Governer function that deals with that much more robustly

John Hamilton

10:26

So what genre is the game in then?

jgallant

is the governer some kind of robot with weapons?>

MickLH

My current game is a shooting game lol, but I don't want to have to re-write the netcode for stuff anymore, I'm making it a reusable lib

John Hamilton

So, like I said the dropout time is really dependent on the game, if it's a shooting game 5+ seconds is a good time to drop people

otherwise they will be lagging up the server and that's not fun for anybody

MickLH

I'm hesitant to go shorter than 30 seconds though

John Hamilton

I'd even consider 3 seconds as a dropping point

MickLH

10:29

I've seen the real life causes of 20 seconds of 100% packet loss in a row

John Hamilton

Is it more lobby based?

MickLH

It's your friend tripping over the cable, not something you'd want to end the game over

John Hamilton

Sounds like you need a "reconnect" function in there

drop the person, keep the game going, let the person be "in the game but not active" for a while

and they can reconnect sometime later

MickLH

I'm looking for pros and cons really

John Hamilton

CivVI doesn't have that function and it just completely breaks the game for me because I sometimes end up having to replay 3-4 turns

rainbow six for example, lets players reconnect to ranked games but you get dropped after a while in casual for good

MickLH

10:32

I see two options: Stay connected forever and deal with dead sockets, or drop the connection asap and deal with reconnecting.

John Hamilton

Take the latter imho

MickLH

I'm looking for solid pros and cons to evaluate

John Hamilton

it'll be better for the user experience because 1 guy who lags and has to be dropped won't interfere with other people's gameplay

MickLH

Stay connected forever really simplifies the game logic because then one player is one player

Chris McFarland

How gamebreaking is it if say 2 people disconnect though? game has teams?

or an entire LAN team of 5 gets disconnected, is the game gonna keep going?

MickLH

10:34

@JohnHamilton One person lagging out will inevitable effect everyone's game, but either way it can be dealt with pretty well, so this pro applies to both options.

jgallant

i'd say 30 seconds is a long time for no response.

ideally you'd let the player rejoin if he lost connection

if a client does not response within 30 seconds, fuck himn

MickLH

@ChrisMcFarland This is exactly hitting on the hard problems

Chris McFarland

I mean if it's a ranked game then tough cookies, unless the other team chose to pause

but if you've got team auto-balancing

deadweight makes the still-connected players unhappy

MickLH

Yeah and even 30 seconds is a bit lengthy to wait for the came to collapse

Yet 30 is uncomfortably short for dealing with real world issues

I'd rather keep trying for 1 minute, but offer the players a vote-end within 5 seconds

Chris McFarland

Voting is good
Sometimes people are friendly

MickLH

10:40

or something at least, it would ruin the game to lose a chunk of one team

but if someone camps for 5 seconds and walks their laptop to another room, through a no WiFi reception zone, that would suck to have game over from doing that

It seems like something is in direct conflict and it's bothering the fuck out of me

Ok there's an elegant solution but it's nothing to do with timing and networking

If I just use "press a button to respawn" then I can ignore it if they go silent on their inputs

Worst case scenario they lag out and stand still until they die, then wait dead until they reconnect

Chris McFarland

I loved the old Counter-Strike lag sound, the water splashing

made zero sense as to why that sound was chosen, but was good

jgallant

11:25

Approved for release

Chris McFarland

ship it

jgallant

obviously, gotta beat you to the store so I can say neeeeneeerrrrr i got two games and you don't

then. when you release tallowmere 2 -- i'll have picross touch color already up -- and i'll be like hahahahaha i have 3 games and you only have 2

Chris McFarland

11:48

I might as well quit now

I was hoping I'd have enough content to justify some videos and screenshots before Greenlight goes away, but I imagine I'll hit up Steam Direct instead later on

John Hamilton

Steam direct will probably be easier to get in from, they seem to be trying to actually better the platform

Chris McFarland

yeah

I'd happily pay $5k if they decide to make it that steep

(sounds like they want that to be recoverable though at least)

John Hamilton

Seems like they're trying to involve the community more instead of filtering the games that can get in

I will now talk about my visit to Valve and the future of Steam for about an hour

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Chris McFarland

yeah it sounds good

jgallant

5K would suck for people that just want to make games for people for free

Chris McFarland

11:55

yeah, what would be the deciding factor behind that then though?

Valve doesn't want to decide

Kevin van der Velden

@jgallant if they want to make a game for people for free then they don't need to be on a store front

jgallant

I think it is going to be more scrutinized -- where they will request studios to registers formally

And yeah the price is going to restrict hobbyist from being a part of the mix

They are running a store and they are noticing it getting flooded with shit -- and are responding accordingly

user92578

13:49

hmm, getting 20fps on my crappy laptop

user92578

all though I'm fairly sure that the laptop has an integrated gpu

jgallant

17:40

@Tyyppi_77 wtf is the 1920x1080 large trading card image for?

user92578

It's the image that opens when you click the trading card

user92578

The smaller one is supposed to be just a "zoomed in" version of the larger one

user92578

Click on one of your trading cards if you're confused

user4704

Do you have cool badge names?

user4704

I hate it when badge names are "Level1" through "Level5."

user92578

17:58

I went with enemy names, not especially cool but better than Level 1 - Level 5

user4704

Yeah.

user4704

Much better.

user92578

I'm sad because you can't award yourself the foil badge :(

user4704

heh

user4704

I would hate to get one of those.

user4704

18:02

It would muck up my completionist OCD.

user4704

I get the level 5 badge for any game I get 100% of the achievements on, and exclusively through profit on trading cards I get for games I won't/can't 100%.

user92578

lol

user4704

If I got a foil card I'd sell it simply because I have no criteria for when I would get that badge that differs from getting any other badge.

user4704

And I would be sad.

user4704

And be forced to make a new Steam account and start all over!

user92578

18:03

:D

user92578

My foil badge is so cool imho, I might have to buy that stuff

jgallant

I want to make trading cards, but holy shit man its complicated.

emoticons, badges, cards, borders, wtf

the templates they provide are shit

user4704

I honestly don't really see the point of any of it.

user4704

The profile backgrounds, the emotes, the extra friend list entries... it's just... why?

user92578

I didn't even use the templates

user4704

18:08

I sell all of it.

user92578

But yeah it's a lot of assets to make

user92578

It seemed really overwhelming to me too

maxple

18:45

Does anyone have any tip for converting gif to webm and keeping the alpha layer?

Almo

gif has an alpha layer?

yeah gif does not have an alpha layer

maxple

@Almo i don't know if that's the correct term but it can at least have transparency.

Almo

you can select one of the colors in the palette to be transparent

maxple

@Almo you mean on the gif? or webm? The gif is already transparent, i just need to convert it to webm and keep the transparency. Of if that's not possible, recreate the transparency

I'm not sure how to add transparency to a video anyway, which is why i just wanted to convert

Almo

gif does not have a transparency "layer" or an alpha channel. you can select one color in the palette to be transparent. if your webm converter doesn't understand that, then I don't know what to tell you

maxple

18:52

ok

there just aren't a lot of tutorial out there on doing alpha in webm, i was hoping someone had done it

MickLH

@maxple use a yuva mode instead of default yuv modes

for a webm you probably want VP9 codec with yuva420p pixel format

maxple

cool except I've not heard of any of those things before unfortunately

@MickLH are those just config options I can pass to the converter?

Almo

ok i'll dump this over here too.

Perfume Tree - "Too Late, Too Early"

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MickLH

@maxple I charge pretty steep hourly, but you could google it yourself!

maxple

Considering I know basically nothing about media codecs, it would be financially worth it for me to hire someone for a solution

if it really is so easy then it shouldn't be much

MickLH

19:06

What drives these assumptions of things being "so easy"?

maxple

"google it yourself"

it's all good though

MickLH

Duh it's all good

maxple

no

MickLH

Yeah

I gave you a precise pixel format, if a precise answer is not enough then why did you ask at all?

maxple

lol this is starting to turn into "the child who does not know enough to ask". I didn't realize that was a pixel output or anything

user92578

19:11

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Q: Convert PNGs to webm video with transparency

I would like to use avconv to convert a series of PNG images to a WebM video, preserving transparency. I understand that the pixel format used in the output video must support transparency. So I tried: $ avconv -framerate 25 -f image2 -i frames/%03d.png -pix_fmt yuva420p output.webm Unfortunat...

user92578

Looks like a solid starting point

jgallant

19:25

achievement badges

user92578

Those look awesome

jgallant

thanks, i think they are pretty decent

Almo

very nice jon

MickLH

19:38

@VarvaraKalinina always nice to have someone around who likes learning new things :)

maybe I shouldn't say "always" but usually lol

user92578

lol

user92578

Is that an insult to the rest of us? ;)

MickLH

hahaha

nah you guys are awesome

user92578

:D

MickLH

@Tyyppi_77 what's your rate for damage control operations? :P

user92578

19:48

huh?

jgallant

20:04

concept art for my next action adventurer

user92578

Great that you labeled the stuff

user92578

For a moment there I was like

user92578

Which one is the stick?

jgallant

cloud saves working

just ran the game from laptop and lo and behold all the shit is saved

user92578

cool

jgallant

20:08

who wants a dev key?

beta key sorry

i need some beta testers.

jgallant

20:49

No one wants to be a beta tester on GORB steam?

MickLH

@jgallant .

jgallant

you got steam?

MickLH

lol serious? everyone has steam even if they hate it

jgallant

u want a gorb key or not?

MickLH

jon. send me a gorb key.

ty

jgallant

21:00

report bugs to [email protected]

MickLH

is there a linux build or should I fire up the windows machine?

jgallant

no linux build yet.

Clear Data doesn't work atm apparently

MickLH

@jgallant It loads and shows one frame the main menu and crashes out on wine

I'll give you an update when I get to my windows 7 machine

oh wait

ok still closes itself even with steam ingame UI disabled

@DH. wake up it's another one

S. Neut

21:43

does anyone know how to increase the max file size in android studio?

MickLH

21:54

@S.Neut you mean anyone besides this guy who comes up first when I literally just right click the last few words of your message and click Google?

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Q: File size exceeds configured limit (2560000), code insight features not available

I am trying to work on a large Javascript file in Jetbrains WebStorm 8 and I am getting a message at the top of the editing window that says: File size exceeds configured limit (2560000). Code insight features not available. How can I increase the 'configured limit' to get access to all fea...

javascript webstorm

S. Neut

I've seen that smartiepants but that doesn't do the trick for me

MickLH

@S.Neut You really missed it. The point wasn't the joke you took as an insult, the point was that if you had a specific problem you still never said it (even now) and so how would anyone even know what "max file size" refers to when you haven't even given a wink of context

S. Neut

be careful using sarcasm when you're not talking face to face

MickLH

also I think we mostly like making and talking about games here, when platform issues come up it's often just complaints lol

S. Neut

but now that you so handily googled my last few words, you have a whole lot of context

MickLH

21:59

@S.Neut with at best 1/3rd probability...

there's a few equally likely googles I could have copy pasted from there that lead to different contexts

(I check these things because I think it's interesting)

in fact, arguably the canonical would be the entire message, or starting from the "how" forward

...which both lead to completely different topics

you're already asking me to combine psychology and SEO just to understand your query

jgallant

Interesting - reg = intestin

S. Neut

you seem to be perfectly capable of doing that my friend

MickLH

don't do that it's annoying and most people aren't gonna bother to reverse engineer your thought cipher lol

I mean do whatever you want but that doesn't motivate me to think about an answer, android studio is basically traumatic memories for me to go to

S. Neut

why is that?

MickLH

I mean a totally ambiguous question wouldn't fly on the main site, describe your actual issue. I'm just being a nice person pointing out that you don't have to waste your time waiting for an answer without doing that first

also I'm not sure if this is the right channel for that anyways :P

S. Neut

22:11

my fix was a bloody restart...

My brain seemed to forget how computers work for a moment

MickLH

you mean you forgot how they don't* work :P

S. Neut

you've peeked my curiosity now though, why is android studio traumatic for you?

MickLH

because that was the tool getting through the financial bad times lol

André Marques

22:56

hello i have a question, does anyone know a tutorial that teaches to rotate sprite like this but with mouse instead?

jgallant

Did you check out my mouse sprite rotate tutorial?

André Marques

u have tutorials?

i didnt knew you made tutorials

@jgallant cant find it here

jgallant.com

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