It's only been since Wind Waker that you had to have the most powerful sword to beat the game.

My copy of Zelda is on it's way, I should check to figure out what carrier sent it so I know when it will arrive, but I'm pretty sure it's UPS, which shows up here around 4:00.

Which is good, I won't be tempted to leave work early.

nice

Yep, UPS, so it should be there about the time I get home. I think I'll be home a bit early tomorrow anyways, which might give me a bit of game development time.

I'm almost ready to try some usability testing with my new tutorial. It's still lacking a bit, but I think it's at least a step in the right direction...

I'm refactoring. Moving some generic code from a project into the engine itself. So dull

almost generic code...

got to remove a few project-specific dependencies

oh wow, it built already

Anyone familiar with Cmake?

could this actually be true ? youtube.com/watch?v=kOUPbSakz9M

@DenisKa Yes

@Hjorthenify Cool, So I am using SFML and I included library using Cmake(I have that choice only) and I made a class which I declared in Movement.h and defined it in Movement.cpp but when I hit build of my IDE it prints this error but when I implement class in same file like main.cpp no error is reported?

/home/deniska/workspace/cpp/pong/main.cpp:44: undefined reference to `Movement::keyPressing(sf::RectangleShape&)'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
CMakeFiles/MySFML.dir/build.make:99: recipe for target 'MySFML' failed
make[3]: *** [MySFML] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:67: recipe for target 'CMakeFiles/MySFML.dir/all' failed
make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/MySFML.dir/all] Error 2
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:79: recipe for target 'CMakeFiles/MySFML.dir/rule' failed
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/MySFML.dir/rule] Error 2

this error ^

Are you binding the library after including it=

target_link_libraries( DetectCircle ${OpenCV_LIBS} )

here is my CMakeLists.txt

cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 3.6)
project(pong)

set(CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 11)

set(SOURCE_FILES main.cpp Movement.h Movement.cpp)
add_executable(pong ${SOURCE_FILES})

# Define sources and executable
set(EXECUTABLE_NAME "MySFML")
add_executable(${EXECUTABLE_NAME} main.cpp)



# Detect and add SFML
set(CMAKE_MODULE_PATH "${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/cmake_modules" ${CMAKE_MODULE_PATH})
find_package(SFML 2 REQUIRED system window graphics network audio)
if(SFML_FOUND)
    include_directories(${SFML_INCLUDE_DIR})

^found pretty much on internet, I don't really understand cmake but school demands!

Do include_directories(${ CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR }) somewhere before add_executable

done but didn't solve problem

@Lasse Apparently that new Ryzen chip is fast, but it only works on good code.

hi can i ask flash game questions here?

I dont know.. Can you ?

lol

ask

::*although I don't know anything about gamedev*:: but some other geek will answer

@MickLH Yeah? The problem is I guess that games are optimized for HT, not SMT.

@user273084 Yes. You can ask about anything, if there is someone able to answer they probably will

General rule is don't ask to ask, just ask

some of the stuff I've been integrating

Flash... now that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time

wow guys breath of the wild UI is horrible

that stamina meter

lol

    class F{
public:
       void foo(B &x);
    };

how do I call std::thread for foo member-function?

or launch a thread. not call*

@Tyyppi_77 Found some new cool bugs for ya

@Tyyppi_77 and how will I do that, sorry just for time saving?

I pity da foo

@Tyyppi_77 Thanks :D

The first bug is that when the icicles fall in a tank, the tank tries to be placed above the icicle, causing a funny chain reaction to launch the tank in to the sky lol

@Tyyppi_77 Nah I read that answer it is a bit confusing and does not tell what to do when you have reference arguments

The other bug is that when you slip off from those sledgehammers, you dont stop at the side of it, you get teleported like 200 pixels back lol

Exactly

Those were the bugs I have found, and now I have some suggestions

Would be too hard to make you get back to the area selection whenever you kill the boss for the first time? You know, QoL change so that the player gets the idea he actually finished that area

Yeah, like I said, QoL change

And the other one will probably need a dirty hack to do, but I noticed that when you are trying to leave an elevator ASAP with the hostage on your back, and you are on an elevator going down, he/she gets crushed by the wall

Oh and I almost forgot, the second boss has any other mechanic other than launching straight-moving missiles? With a SMG it died too fast and the kill was too safe

For sure, but since you are in beta I'm expressing my opinion :D

Was thinking and... maybe you should add one of those seeking missiles to the boss? Like, it's launched at 45º so it requires the player to jump to destroy it, while taking the risk to get killed by the straight-moving missiles

Just brainstorm, not sure if it would work lol

But so far, I must admit, you have made a good game and, by seeing your progress trough here and your blog, a really good work

Well, that's where marketing and advertisement comes :D

@Tyyppi_77 Is your game available for buying?

:D

cool! Good luck :)

Good, further progress for creating a network game tonight

did you guys saw the video I posted I think I'm starting to get a decent looking light scene

Looks okay, keep going :)

hi

I want to send OTP for registration

specially in United States

Well, all I did was jumping to the very left edge and get teleported back 200 pixels

Always fun when you can successfully argue your bug is in fact a bug:-)

Cleaning it will cause bugs where you worked around it previously?

I want to send OTP for registration purpose

specially in unites states area

for this purpose I want to use any 3rd party service

at present I found this one

msg91.com/startups

still any better one exist compare to this?

lol

The fun of making a game

Combination of the character going down and the hammer going up?

Bought a switch on impulse

Was a huge lineup for them lol

Not sure how I managed to get one but cool balls

How much is it costing right now?

400 bucks

He's playing Zelda right now lol

@DH. 2.000 dollars at walmart

Sounds like a good deal

I haven't looked, I wonder how much I could sell my copy of Zelda for...

Actually, it can be downloaded, so I doubt much more than I paid for it.

I can download a NES emulator yet still a working NES console is worth a lot

Nostalgia has its price

I'm assuming he's talking about the new zelda, which I should hope doesn't have any nostalgia surrounding it yet =p

But if its the new zelda, why would he sell it already?

@Lasse or more specifically, that only the most utterly basic optimizations are done by hand and all the nitty gritty is done by Intel's compiler that is known to output fast paths only for Intel chips and a "fallback" (slow lane) for everyone else

Heh there are plenty of copies

There are more Zelda games than there are switches

Now that I thought of it, other than the new Zelda, what other games Switch has now?

@DH. 3D print a NES box and put a raspberry pi in it

3D print the game cartridges and put a USB drive / SD card inside it

you could even go full ridiculous and get the original ZIF socket and make a ROM-dumper, to play original carts on the emulator :P

Nostalgia isn't expensive. Being naive is.

Nostalgia is just basic psychology and if it looks and feels the same, it is the same unless you mentally force yourself to feel otherwise

No other games worth playing now.

Literally a co sole just for Zelda right nkw.

Zelda up to now is pretty awesome

It is kinda hard

I just want to say...

I told you there are glitchy corner cases with finding the floor at the edge of ledges...

I told you so hard... so long ago...

Thank you @DH.

I hope everyone else can take this as a lesson... When I say your game has a glitch, don't get ego-butthurt and try to deny it, because I'm probably right.

@MickLH I understand this is just meant to be blunt, and isn't rude IMHO, but opinions differ.

I would appreciate it if you tone down a little bit, just for the sake of hell not breaking loose

tee hee

A robust collision system is a robust collision system

Your failed idea about rays or whatever else can only be a strawman argument. My suggestion was to entire replace that logic with something rigorous.

By definition, something rigorous would not have these issues, because you would have mathematically ruled them out.

Either way, good luck

Oh one other point, you can't make absolute claims about the source of an error when you haven't actually even identified the error yet. So there's 100% hard proof that what you said can't have merit.

Hey!

Here is a kitten!

I wonder if the kitten, or the anecdotes are more irrelevant :P

The kitten is there to lighten the mood :)

guys

learn how to NOT abuse the flags

flags are for rude/abusive/against-the-rules stuff

Can't you see who does that now?

@ThomasWard I think someone felt it was "rude"..

Whoever the flag abuser is should be caught by now, I thought mods had access to seeing who flagged. This person has been flag abusing for a long time.

I think this room literally has the most flags on the network because of it

@MickLH You have data to back this?

@AlexandreVaillancourt Some mod said it one day during one of the usual flag abuse sessions

Hmm..

That time when it was really extreme and they were doing it all day and there were like 5 diamond users

And soon after the feature of seeing who flagged was implemented

So... why is it not being used now?

They slipped and forgot that they aren't anonymous anymore

i think my point is being missed

I believe you are missing the point, sir. The flagger knows well that they are abusing the system.

And we all otherwise know not to abuse the system

we got some flag shit goin on again?

@MickLH Once the flags are out of the queue I can't check.

@Almo also I think this guy @ThomasWard doesn't realize that flag abuse is a long standing problem here, either

well, let's try to NOT incite flags, mmkay?

Ok, guys, that's enough.

lol

Ok let me try my comment from the top since I'm too raw

I like that the names are "vince" and "bob"

@Tyyppi_77 If you invest the time to define your collision behavior robustly (which is possible especially in 2D!), then you won't have the glitches and annoyances that come with the "randomly adding rules and variables" method you described

You can use "Vince" as a short for "Vincent", right?

It'll actually save time in total.

@AlexandreVaillancourt yup

That's something that doesn't translate in French; Vincent works in French, but you can't use just the 'Vince' part..

@Tyyppi_77 I'm referencing it not to imply that specific situation was the problem, but that the design theme of "try it, does it work?" is.

If correcting one piece of logic breaks others... that's something inherently wrong with the system.

I mean I don't know what to suggest, I understand that you set up expectations for your steam date already

@Tyyppi_77 I get this feeling that you'll take almost anything I say as an attack right now

I want to be clear, I'm not implying that you got "fully ego-butthurt" which is why I didn't tag you. It's actually a mix of several experiences in my life fueling those feelings.

I'm not trying to tear you down, I think it's great that you're working on something awesome and I hope you see that regardless of tension between us I'm eager to help out if possible

I'm just a mean person too

And before you assume "I just can't help it!" or tell me to "help it"... know I am "helping it"... a lot... and this is where I land.

I totally understand and I can admit I've thrown a bash in here and there when I get really frustrated

Hey! Thanks for calming down, both of you! As a reward, here is a couple of puppies!

But what if I hate puppies?

Then you will be puppied to death

then it's heresy. nobody hates cute puppy pictures.

You'll have to write enough text here to make it go away :P

i hate cats, but I adore cute kitten pictures, and puppy pictures too.

quick @DH. write the next class I have to write, to make it scroll away!

make sure it's complete, so it goes all the way off the page!

I think you accurately sensed my frustration, but mistakenly assumed I meant it purely to you

In fact I'm not really frustrated with you, but some of our past interactions remind me of frustrations I do have

Either way don't feel like an idiot, that makes me a douche

yeah buddy!

I usually use Linux and usually SDL apps work great in wine, but I have a windows box also

Yeah it's really cool, a re-write of WinAPI + a loader that pulls the code from the EXE into the ram

Also, there's no shame in using the windows build through wine as your "linux build" these days :P I've encountered several games, even heavy games, doing that

What I never understood is why some games work like a charm on wine while others are total crap

alright, I've got Discord's most elite samurai delivering a request

@Tyyppi_77 Yeah usually people bundle it with wine, just in case the user doesn't already have wine installed

You can strip it down to only the WinAPI dlls you need in that case, also

probably, and it would be appreciated, just thought you should know several games have done it the cheap way and there appears to be very little drawback either way :P

oh! the wine thing also gives you a "mac version" for free* lol

(*not actually free, may cost significant time)

Man the new Zelda sucks

Why?

@jgallant wut seriously?

It's not linear you can just go wherever you want

Way too many things to do

Open world?

Well, its the main point they have been showing: it's an open world full of stuff

The stamina meter is actually annoying

Sarcasm guys geeze

lol

I knew it

The stamina meter requires way too much care

lol

Aside from that the game is solid as fuck

So, it's like playing Dark Souls?

Not quite

Dark souls sucks compared to this

I knew you were joking because it would be a legitimate crisis of gaming if you were serious

I didn't like Wind Waker

I doubt I would like any Zelda game.

I hate Dark Souls, it's just that a stamina system that requires careful handling then it's the first game that comes to my mind

but I'm a weirdo and I know it. :)

I mean FPS games going to shit is one thing, but that's just to make room for my game when it's ready. Other games shouldn't be significantly effected

Windwaker is a fucken wait in a boat simulator

it's not the boat thing that made me hate it though

When you get to land it is fun

I certainly didn't like that aspect

but I didn't like other game design mistakes they made

Triforce charts were fucken bad

it was a beautiful game though. great graphic presentation

I mean like the game is slightly repetitive

You attack bobokin camps. Cook food. Heal. Find gear.

Solve shrines.

But it's fun

Also. Needs more music.

Clouds are cool

I remember everyone loving Zelda when I was a kid, and I thought it was pretty cool but I was simply born too hardcore of a PC master racer to really enjoy it in full (or pokemon for that matter, or any of the most popular things, they all just achieved "pretty cool" for me)

Hm, have you guys seen that? Xbox Live Creators Program

Eventually though, Grand Theft Auto came out and I realized gaming is the mother fucking shit. Then Counter-Strike, Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Halo, ...

The world was amazing for some years back then

The true king of gaming, FPS, was rightfully in reign over the kingdom.

Everything else is glorified pong. FPS is real life.

Another thing is the lack of secrets.

No hidden caves or anything yet

But what if there are secrets, but you didn't find it yet? :P

there has to be secrets

I don't know haven't found any trace of any secret whatsoever

No peices of heart

they probably have just been watching too much battlefield dog tag videos, and made the secrets like 100 steps that require years of in-depth knowledge from unrelated areas of expertise

Heart containers are collected from shrines

Gonna bomb a cracked wall now

Nothing behind it. Just an item.

There are absolutely no secret caves it is quite disappointing

Jon. Do you love me for who I am or do you love your expectations of me??? :'(

No

hahaha

Lol

Nostalgia takes time to kick in, and continues kicking in more and more slowly

New Zelda will need some playtime in to it before it has a chance to compare

@DH. Fucking doesn't support multiplayer -_-

and please, nobody say "Well the devs don't pay for servers with that!" because the users paid Microsoft for the Xbox Live subscription. The server time for one player to be on one game at a time seems like a very modest request, given that the player pays monthly / yearly for subscription.

Xbox live doesn't pay for game servers.

unless you can show me that game companies get payments from MS out of that money to host their servers.

I highly doubt that MS pays for anything

I'm saying they should since they collect money from the users

On subscription

Storing a few MB of user profile data isn't really worth whatever $10 a month

Imagine if Steam all the sudden required you use their hardware and OS, and started charging monthly...

I was pretty annoyed when PSN started charging for network games

I'm doing my best not to rant lol

PS3 you could play network games, just not store save in the cloud or auto-download patches

Now you have to pay monthly... because all that user spying data costs real bandwidth and storage lol

hahah

frickin servers

gonna cost me a small arm to deploy a few when I wanna get going :)

@ChrisMcFarland I've got a solution to this problem for games

do tell

p2p lol

I haven't given p2p much thought

I've been working out the logic to keep cheaters out, and it's looking promising. Some good results already

Most game rules can be protected from cheaters, even in a p2p setting

I guess with p2p, everyone's a host and everyone's a client?

I'm going towards a host model so that people don't have to muck around with router ports and stuff

It's definitely flexible like that, the only gotcha is that you'll need a punchthrough server

IIRC Unity provides a punchthrough server for you though

@ChrisMcFarland When you use NAT punchthrough, you don't need to update any router settings to host

right. LiteNetLib has some sort of NAT hole punching but I haven't looked into it

It's simpler than it seems... when you send a message outbound, then your router automatically opens a port but only for that partner

So you have both players send an outbound message to each other, and now they both have a port open for each other

Now you just connect as usual

mmm

The punchthrough server is to let them synchronize on that idea

right

I've been experimenting with the concept of using the nearest 3rd player as the punchthrough "server"

I guess atm, I'm focusing on having a middleground GameServer that can support multiple games, multiple clients, just passes messages around, that way if a "host" leaves a game, the game still exists and the GameServer just picks a new host as the computer that will do the physics calcs. (I haven't yet decided if I want to go full authoritive, or just let people have fun, and hacks will be hacks, whatever)

haha ah yeah

I think you're probably pretty safe from hacks

and I guess in a p2p setting, everyone connects to everyone else, that way if the host leaves, all the games will magically just pick a new host?

That can work for sure

One interesting thing: You can mix authoritative server and p2p together

but for now, connecting to a somewhat dedicated host computer sounds like the simplest networking solution

aye right, the players auth through the auth servers still, get their data, and do the odd call/check to make sure things are still legit

yeah that's what I've been focused on for exactly the reasons you said a moment ago

:) yeah this stuff gets complex

I need to control the random drops, but I can't afford to run everyone's physics for them

yeah, I can't compute that. A client will have to do that

So far though, players connect to a Lobby server where they can chat, browse existing games, or create a new game. And upon creating a new game, player chooses which GameServer they want, they connect to that, GameServer is connected to the LobbyServer which sends details about the new game and updated game info as it changes

so it should feel a bit more homely than just, launch game > fetch server list, pick a server

I'd probably stick with that approach, seems pretty much exactly like what I'd want

then it's a matter of hoping my RAM usage isn't sky high lol

Even if the players run the GameServer themself, you can still control drops from the server really cheaply

Yeah for sure, that's a good point

I dunno if I'd trust myself handling database data

@MickLH coldtearrecords.bandcamp.com/track/delusion

And I love the album cover for that one

The simplest secure way I've thought up is that you send a hash for each drop in the map, all at the beginning

Then when the server agrees they got a drop, it gives them the input to get that hash

sounds good

It works for 2 players but for 3+ players it needs a signature instead of a hash

otherwise it works the same

If you don't like signatures because they are annoyingly complicated then you can still use hashes, you just need more of them with more players

heh

Like instead of a hash for each drop, you have a different hash for each player's version of that drop

Idk which one I'd go with, the hashes is simpler, but the signatures becomes more efficient with >3 players

The hash method won't scale to an MMO, but the signature method will