Game Development

jgallant

00:02

Interesting

Stephane Hockenhull

oooh Polish and Spanish updates!

Chris McFarland

I dismiss a lot of platformers on Steam because the gameplay looks boring
I'm a sucker of the pixelly ones though
And the ones that I've bought and played a bit, they're good but it leaves me desiring just spamming attacks all day long - which is what drove me to make Tallowmere
and making Tallowmere 2 last year, I realised later on into it as I started to focus on coding gameplay, that the animation really just made me sad

@StephaneHockenhull yeah!

Stephane Hockenhull

I had a horrible pun about it but I'll skip the chat ban :)

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MickLH

That's a disgrace, tbh

I'm deeply offended by that

jgallant

I'm offended you are offended

MickLH

00:11

flagged

I would actually flag it for a laugh but even silence is better than a rush of pompous airheads on a pretentious political correctness mission

Chris McFarland

00:27

A little publisher has contacted me about bringing Tallowmere to Wii U in Japan - might be a thing

MickLH

good luck

Chris McFarland

hehe thanks

jgallant

Cool. Approach with caution

Keep us posted

Chris McFarland

Yeah

jgallant

Could be a very cool partnership but in most cases when someone approaches you they have a reason for it

Might want to screw you

MickLH

00:30

yeah that's where my "good luck" is aimed tbh, tallowmere speaks for itself and doesn't need luck lol

Stephane Hockenhull

@ChrisMcFarland Can't put it on WiiU Japan yourself?

Chris McFarland

They look legit, been around for over a decade, lots of consoles under their belt, lots of games - not big games but games nonetheless

@StephaneHockenhull From what I've read you gotta be an established publisher eh, licensed

So it's not a super free market

jgallant

i made a site for these guys... 65 years of building quality wear parts

Stephane Hockenhull

ざんねん

jgallant

that was the sum of the 7 people working there

65 years, was actually like 6

Blue Bug

00:33

oh boi Chris is going international?!

Chris McFarland

I had a different Japanese publisher approach me about getting Tallowmere on Android on Japan's markets. But ultimately they couldn't get the game through the carrier's initial approval system

jgallant

he already is lol

this game brings dishonor to japan

Chris McFarland

lol;

probably too niche

Stephane Hockenhull

君のゲームは恥ずかしい

Chris McFarland

but yeah it's very different from Apple and Google where they don't really care, anyone can just sign up and build something playable and boom

jgallant

00:40

BOOM instant money

Stephane Hockenhull

Just make a match-4

rake in the millions

MickLH

match-4 what are you, work addicted?

make poke the bunny

flappy bird worked

Stephane Hockenhull

LOL

you're right, Match-4 is too intellectual

MickLH

@jgallant I fucking got it dude. Poke the bunny.

Stephane Hockenhull

I'll go for Match-1

My 7 year old: "What's a match-1?"

MickLH

00:42

@StephaneHockenhull That seems better but still a bit too mathy maybe?

Chris McFarland

slot machine games seem to be the easy haul :(

IAPs for coins

MickLH

lol

god damnit I was supposed to be joking sarcastically

where did I put my anti-anxiety pills :|

ah here they are right on my desk... never too far away if I'm outside the locked doors of the lab

Stephane Hockenhull

@ChrisMcFarland There, and I'll only take 45%.

Chris McFarland

haha

MickLH

I'll do it for 42%

jgallant

00:48

hehehehehehe

Chris McFarland

key to success is to just use anime girls

Blue Bug

notes

MickLH

@ChrisMcFarland Is that racist? or sexist?

Stephane Hockenhull

realist

MickLH

shhh, this is SE don't be ridiculous

@BlueBug super awesome answer, wish I could upvote it several times

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A: Spotlight Culling. Plane vs Cone Shape

Screenshot from : Real-Time Collision Detection, Volume 1 The collision check is as simple as checking whether vertex of cone and the far end of the cone are lying two difference sides of the plane. However in doing so you will end up with either green or purple point depending on the order...

Stephane Hockenhull

00:52

Blue Bug

@MickLH <3 <3 thank you. Plz make another account to upvote for me(?!)

Stephane Hockenhull

Raking in the sales...

Blue Bug

which reminded me to accept the answer, tadan. Now the question is marked as answered!

Stephane Hockenhull

I'm laughing way too much at my own 'shops...

PearsonArtPhoto

Must do work on my game...

Blue Bug

00:59

@PearsonArtPhoto Me too!

PearsonArtPhoto

Time to fix a bug that happens about 1/5 times when creating a world that drives me crazy.

Blue Bug

Chance based bug

I have to work on my ISimpleShader class. Make it allow CPU to modify data on GPU.

PearsonArtPhoto

It's funny, the symptom is a Stack Overflow on Random.Range, literally on Randomness.

I think I fixed it, but testing such things is always a pain...

MickLH

@jgallant try this one drive.google.com/open?id=0BxOUlWYj0c6tNWdQRl9wdzhRTzg

Stephane Hockenhull

I found out Intel's OpenGL drivers completely shit the bed with my engine.
nVidia is fine on all platforms, AMD/ATI works with some work-arounds.
Intel's Win10 drivers on the z8700 just renders a diagonal line.
The open-source drivers on Linux render fine with all cards, OSX is fine too (or was, last I checked)

jgallant

01:10

you make this?

MickLH

yeah

lol I always made it

jgallant

lets make a game with your music

seriously

MickLH

I'm down!

jgallant

i have this playing on my paradigms

at some parts

my floor is vibrating

1,20

1.10 to 1.20

my floor is like moving back and forth

Stephane Hockenhull

But Intel HD graphics drivers completely fail... I dunno if I want to put the effort into figuring out what's wrong with that driver... but Steam gives it 25% market share ... that's a lot :(

Or I could write the DirectX renderer ... They seem to have fewer bugs in their DirectX implementation.

jgallant

01:13

@MickLH would be cool man

we could do a cheap game like a infinite runner

but that is cheap

PearsonArtPhoto

I just realized something...

Unity 5.5 has LayoutGroups with children that control or expand the size of a window.

I've been reading them exactly wrong until now...

I read it "Child Size Controls" instead of "Control Child Size". Sigh...

jgallant

how does it make you feel to see that vid?

are you demotivated?

PearsonArtPhoto

Of Winds of Trade?

jgallant

yes

PearsonArtPhoto

It's hard to say, but yeah, it doesn't help.

jgallant

01:19

when i saw it, i thought holy fuck this is pearson's game

PearsonArtPhoto

It is actually quite similar to my original concept for my game.

It's a pity, I kind of wish I had tried to work with the developer when I first heard about it...

There are differences, for sure. Still...

jgallant

but they are ages ahead

PearsonArtPhoto

I know it. Sigh.

jgallant

so what i think you should do is bank on them

Stephane Hockenhull

meh, make yours better and sell it :D

jgallant

01:21

2d version of it

even on mobile man... people that play this would love a 2d version

PearsonArtPhoto

And the real problem is, it's close enough of a game to mine that what market share there is for a sea trading game will go to theirs no doubt.

Stephane Hockenhull

Or sometimes people want simpler gameplay

jgallant

exactly

PearsonArtPhoto

Hmmm...

Well, in any case, I'm going to have to give it some thought for sure.

It really is in a lot of ways the game I set out to build a year ago, although my exact target has changed a fair bit since then.

jgallant

heh, i wanted to make this game 20 years ago

PearsonArtPhoto

01:24

Winds of Trade is competition focused, for instance, and I really don't care much about that. Mine is a bit more detailed, focusing on food and water and stuff on the ship, for instance.

jgallant

jgallant.com/ChoppahGL

actually i wanted to make this game when i was like 10 years old

i thought about it while i was playing a vic20

R to reset - F to drop water

i made it like 20 years later

fuck yeah :P

Stephane Hockenhull

@PearsonArtPhoto don't worry, by the time yours is done people will be ready for a new game in the same genre.

MickLH

@jgallant I thought of this with something I made a while ago

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL.

@jgallant You should do something with that game. I bet you could make it in to a reasonable game at some point in time.

jgallant

i added people

burning and jumping out windows

Free Internet Points

02:05

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Q: How can I edit a game level using jmonkeyengine?

I liked the quake level that comes with jME3. But if I want to edit that level, make it bigger or so, what editor or programming can I use to edit the level? If I open the zip file it's a bunch of texture files that I don't know how to combine to a level. Was the level constructed using some edit...

MickLH

@jgallant wake up infinite runner drive.google.com/open?id=0BxOUlWYj0c6tRUhCRGhaNmJHbVE

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I'm watching some ppl play Stardew valley on twitch... I'd like to play soo bad.. :/

MickLH

02:22

@jgallant wake up god damnit I know you just checked SE 4s ago

Stephane Hockenhull

@AlexandreVaillancourt don't! It's a time sink

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I know :S It looks like it's fun!!!

But yeah, I don't have time for that :S

Perhaps once I'm done with Banished, I'll play during lunch time at work..

But I can't play that game at home... :/

Stephane Hockenhull

How come? It's 2D, your PC should be able to...

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh, no, it's not that, it's just that I don't have time at home :P

If I start to play that game, I won't have time for the important stuff hehe

Stephane Hockenhull

It's not a bad game to ALT-TAB in and out while coding...

I think 30% of that play time was just it running paused in the background while I was working.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

02:35

Oh, yeah; no, I don't even have time for that either; we have a 4 months old baby here, and a shitload of forever-todos that I'm tired to carry around...

Stephane Hockenhull

7y and 2y here. The 2y sits on my lap watching me play going "cluck cluck" while pointing at the chickens.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Haha :)

Stephane Hockenhull

TOMATO!!!! PAPA!! TOMATO!!!!

CORN!! りんご！! MOOOOOOOO!!

PAPA! MOOOOOOO!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I'm not sure how long I'll be able to resist to have him watch TV and computer/phone screens..

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt it's pretty cool

it also supports short play sessions with its requirement that you sleep to save each day

Alexandre Vaillancourt

02:50

Yeah; I'd totally play the game if I had time :P

I think I'll play after Banished and Valkyria Chronicle (I play at work). I'm not sure when I'll be done with Banished, though. I don't think I'll play much longer, though. I've got my city going and I've basically understood how the game works, so I guess I'd be able to make my settlement grow as much as I'd like..

Sie

03:07

So @Mick what brings you back over? Things slowing down on Mumble or what?

MickLH

Almo telepathically pinged me the other day so I opened up the tab

MickLH

03:27

@Magisch what's that meme face called? (in your avatar)

Almo

:D

@MickLH Sasha is selling his Waldorf Wave that he made airdrawndagger with

ebay.com/itm/-/142280942205

MickLH

Dude that thing is a beastmachine

Almo

haha yeah

great fuckin album too

Sasha - Magnetic North

►

Any synth that makes that track is awesome in my book

MickLH

03:45

I'd say it's legitimately better than the highest end synths available today

Blue Bug

@Almo after that music, the playlist played this one and I really like this one too.

Sasha - Wavy Gravy [HD]

►

MickLH

The theory behind it has not improved almost at all whatsoever since then, but the implementation has moved to dirt cheap digital filters that simply have less bandwidth than their analog counterparts.

In analog filters the errors are in the Q value and the corner frequency. (Due to physical noise in the control voltage signal it's fed.)

In digital filters the errors are directly a white noise added to the audio (because of slicing the wave into constant pressure samples, and then snapping the pressure values to N-bit, as well as floating point errors accumulated depending on the programming quality), as well as a Q value and corner frequency error

MickLH

03:58

...both of those were really good

Almo

yeah wavyt gravy is good too. that whole ablum is awesome

I recommend playing the whole album in order, as Sasha is nominally a DJ, he's great at flowing one track into another

worked with Junkie XL on it

Magisch

08:05

@MickLH Thats the awesome smiley

Mine has a headset though

I'm not a regular in this chat though

MickLH

@Magisch I noticed the bling :P

Magisch

A friend of mine made the avatar sometime in 2007

I've been using it on most sites since

MickLH

08:22

I made a script that draws that face pixel perfect with the mouse

using any sized brush

I used it to spam it across the entire world of those multi-user giant drawing board apps

Magisch

I assume you're a game developer

I'm a regular boring developer

MickLH

I don't know what kind of developer I am anymore, but I am working on a game these days

Magisch

I'm writing an enterprise ressource planning system for a company atm

MickLH

I have a bunch of that kind of shit to get done but I'm slacking a little tbh

mostly it's not code, but human protocols that need to be designed

yahoo5000

09:18

What do u think about this new software ? affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo

Blue Bug

10:21

@Magisch I think you need to actually have a game of your own to call yourself gamedev. Having game of your own is tough... And I too am still not a game dev.

I am working on it o_o

MickLH

10:33

guys bitcoin block chain is >100GB these days I'm dying ;_;

Blue Bug

@MickLH ;;; r u mining bitcoin?

MickLH

I'm just trying to use my wallet :s

on a new install

Blue Bug

wait, do u actually have to download that amount of data to use bitcoin of your own? I don't know much about how you actually use.

MickLH

yeah I have to download the entire bitcoin transaction log

because I don't like using online hosted wallets

seems ridiculous to me, defeats the whole purpose of bitcoin, just use a bank at that point

Hjorthenify

Well bitcoin is build on p2p, isnt it?

So you'd have to download the whole thing to become part of the network

MickLH

10:37

Yeah, the download speed is fine with the p2p

and my PC handles the crypto as fast as it can download

but it's still a shitload to download and I can't game because it's raping my connection ;_;

like every time I send a message here, it stays green for a while before going through

I thought someone would have fixed this shit by now

Hjorthenify

Probably not possible

MickLH

It should be possible, all I need is an index of the latest blocks that everyone is relying on

But in order to verify those latest blocks... I'd need to verify each block's parent...

I had a few ideas a while back about how to get around it, I figured "Eh, there's options, and obvious necessity, someone will do it."

Kevin van der Velden

11:18

I think there's clients where you don't need to download everything?

I 'unno, I don't use buttcoin

MickLH

The best you can do is explicitly trusting some node

If you trust some node, they can just tell you "Here's the latest blocks for each potentially useful path, they are all valid trust me."

I want something better like a "verification shortcut" system that allows for fully verifying any given transaction using only some fraction of the whole blockchain

Kevin van der Velden

There's clients like electrum apparently: electrum.org/#home

They don't require the entire thing by doing that on some server somewher

MickLH

Right that's even worse

You're explicitly trusting Electrum's own servers in that case

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah

MickLH

I need to move a shitload of money right now lol I can't trust it

I just have to bitch and complain through like 2 more years worth of blockchain

It's always the problem of a few groups of shit people getting too much influence and trying to halt progress to keep things the way where they have the influence

Magisch

11:29

@MickLH tfw you even have a shitload of money to move

MickLH

Can't really update BitCoin technology anymore... Miners freak out if they lose a day worth of mining because of some patch causing a temporary incompatibility

To the extreme that it's political now :(

Only when the system crashes and burns forcibly, does anything get "updated"

and even then historically the "update" has been to revert to the old thing and re-import all the forward stuff back

Magisch

It's almost as if people dont mess around when their money is on the line

MickLH

Money is a load of shit. It used to be useful for deciding who has to starve to death. Now that there's enough food for everyone, it's just pure overhead costing us directly in resources and funneling value off to useless middlement doing nothing while polluting the planet from 25x shipping goods across the globe back and forth to get "the deal"

Magisch

easy to say if you have it

we're polluting the planet anyways, the planet will teach us a lesson soon about why that was a poor idea

Blue Bug

12:30

i did it!

Right side is what I am supposed to have left is what I am getting with this new forward+ implementation(without shadow). Yesssssss...

MickLH

It looks technically beautiful :D

Blue Bug

That means a lot Mick. Thank u <3. Not often do I hear compliments since my stuff looks kinda boring.

MickLH

13:01

<3

jgallant

14:15

Is that made with JavaScript?

Hjorthenify

14:50

Today was supposed to be dev day.. Then I went drinking :(

Blue Bug

15:04

@jgallant C++~

jgallant

you should use javascript instead

Hjorthenify

Use JQuery, would have fixed that in no time

$(target).Render($('pixel').GenerateColor())

It's that easy

By the magic of JQuery it would produce your desired image on the right

Blue Bug

15:21

but c++ is industry standard I think?

Hjorthenify

For game engines, yeah

Blue Bug

Hjorthenify

16:13

That Java question is pretty much free karma

So I decided to answer it then my gf was OMG COME HELP ME just before I submit the answer. She wanted me to see something irrelevant and somebody beat me to it by a minute -.-

Magisch

@Hjorthenify no free karma for you :p

Hjorthenify

16:31

At least my answer is more throughout :D

jgallant

False.

Hjorthenify

:(

How so?

jgallant

16:46

i don't know what you are talking about

Ali.S

19:30

@BlueBug you sure it's about C++ and not dota2?

MickLH

20:30

@Ali.S It's about industry in general.

Ali.S

well... Ice frog is the main designer of Dota2

and they've recently released a new patch

MickLH

dude I wouldn't touch that shit from the beginning

Ali.S

which has similar response from the players...

MickLH

I thought it was a joke that valve got dota2

Like someone trying to make a sarcastic joke about how gaming is so business focused and out of touch these days

But then gaming industry is actually just that bad

That's what a few billion does to any industry I guess though

But still, sad as fuck

Not that Valve was that bad at the time (they are now, but irrelevant)

But that Valve was obviously not the right team for that kind of game, and the only reason they could ever get in charge of that is if no gamers or community had a say in it and it was purely decided by money.

Ali.S

20:58

@MickLH well I don't agree with your last statement

Valve had a successful resume of multiplayer online games

if you ask me, the best resume there is

well except riot who had published one single similar game (LoL)

compared to other game developers out there (EA, capcom, ubisoft, blizzard, ...) I think valve was the best well established company to start developing dota

MickLH

21:30

Do you even play Moba or FPS?

"I'm great at electrical, so of course I can do your plumbing!"

I hope I need not explain further.

Just because Valve was the "least evil" doesn't mean they were the best choice...

Why does everyone think it has to go to a Big Company(TM)?

Every* game you've enjoyed was based off a project or modification made by someone more like starving college kids.

Almost literally "every" in Valve's case.

Portal, Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, all starving kids

If you want to get technical, Blizzard was the obvious choice of them anyways, because....... DotA was another "starving college kid" product... a warcraft mod. So at least Blizzard could update the lore properly

I was interested in your response, but I can't just sit here forever, I've gotta make something to eat now.

Thinking that Valve could make a good MOBA because they made good FPS is exactly the fucking problem with the industry.

Literally. Exactly.

People run off "hype" instead of just seeing who's passionate about what and who enjoys what.

A skilled person making a game for themself to enjoy, will make an enjoyable game. While a skilled person making a game to get paid, will make a generic piece of crap that meets the minimum requirement for a paycheck.

Is this not obvious in every incarnation across life to all humans?

MickLH

22:05

To complain about something completely different: Don't use big bold header text in your answer. It makes you look like an ignorant noob trying to overcompensate for his sketchy answer. Also it comes across really arrogant. Please stop.

Chris McFarland

My answer is the best, please upvote

Alexandre Vaillancourt

22:22

@MickLH Whose answers?

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